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U.S. President George W. Bush (L) delivers comments on a meeting with the House Republican leadership as Minority leader John Boehner (R-OH) looks on at the White House in Washington May 7, 2008.    REUTERS/Jim Young     (UNITED STATES)
John Boehner continues to defend W.'s legacy
So much for the idea that Republicans are serious about being reasonable when it comes to the fiscal cliff: House Speaker John Boehner is categorically rejecting a proposal by fellow GOP Congressman Tom Cole of Oklahoma to support legislation extending middle-class tax cuts while simultaneously pushing a separate bill to cut income tax rates on income above $250,000.
John Boehner had a message for House Republicans Wednesday morning: stick together or be left out.

The Ohio Republican privately urged his House colleagues not to waver from their position to keep tax rates frozen, calling it a “principled position.” [...]

Boehner also brushed back on Rep. Tom Cole’s (R-Okla.) private comments — reported by POLITICO — that Congress should vote to extend middle class tax cuts before talking about tax rates on the wealthy.

“I told Tom earlier in our conference meeting that I disagreed with him,” Boehner said to reporters after the meeting.

According to BuzzFeed's John Stanton, Boehner was angered by Cole's proposal, which would have effectively ended the GOP's attempt to take middle-class tax cuts hostage.
During a closed-door meeting of House Republicans, Boehner made clear to Cole and his colleagues, that the Oklahoma Republican’s plan was a nonstarter, Republicans familiar with the meeting said. [...] According to Republicans, Cole’s comments to Politico Tuesday angered Boehner, who is trying to maintain strict unity within his conference as talks on the fiscal cliff heat up.
The key thing that this reveals is that Republican rhetoric about revenue is nothing but hot air. They can talk until they are blue in the face about being willing to accept revenue, but unless they stop holding everything hostage for Bush's high-income tax cuts, they haven't actually done anything meaningful.

Remember, under current law, Bush's tax cuts on income above $250,000 per year will expire on December 31. Extending them past that point would represent a new tax cut. And while it might sound great to hear them claim that Grover Norquist doesn't rule their world, the fact that they are simultaneously insisting on a massive $800 billion tax cut for people making more than $250,000 per year puts the lie to their rhetoric.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:08 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Hmmm. One definition of insanity (26+ / 0-)

    is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

    Does this mean that John Boehner is clinically insane?

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:10:40 AM PST

  •  We must go over the bunny slope. (25+ / 0-)

    Let Boehner and the Rs face the wrath of the American people.

    We must break the extortion game now or the next two years will be hell.

    Now or never.  

    I'm glad Barack Obama is our President.

    by TomP on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:14:49 AM PST

    •  I believe Boehner thinks the cuts are his only (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      CKindaSprings63, TomP, milton333

      bargaining tool in what has been a really clever boxing in by Obama and the Dems. Republicans are under a ton of pressure from defense contractors about potential cuts under sequestration. This is their real Achilles heel. The wealthy know they are losing the Bush cuts no matter what.Boehner will try to cut down the rate from 39% to 37%. Besides stopping defense cuts, Boehner has to try and get something in cuts---preferabbly on entitlements---to save some face with the Tea Party crowd. And he has to make it seem like he went down fighting on taxes. I personally think Boehner and the GOP know that even one paycheck (after the cliff) with both the payroll tax cut and the Bush cuts gone, will destroy them among the white middle class voters who remain in their base.

      For Christina's America

      by DWKING on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  How about a money-back guarantee? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        TomP

        If all the cuts go into effect, Obama goes on TV and says, "I tried to extend the tax cuts on the middle class, but the Republicans refused to cooperate. This means the middle class will see an increase in taxes. I consider this increase to be nothing more than a Republican political maneuver, and so we will be keeping track of the increased amounts paid. And as soon as possible -- tomorrow if the Republicans agree, 2014 if we have to take it to the people -- we will refund that money to middle-class taxpayers."

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:59:08 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Meanwhile (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      TomP

      WRITE, EMAIL this asshole and let him know that you think he is an asshole.  His email address is easy to find; simply Google John Boehner.

  •  Obama is about to start his SECOND TERM (25+ / 0-)

    and he's still operating under the fiscal policies of his predecessor.  Can you imagine Ronald Reagan saying, "Oh, let's give the Carter Administration policies another four years to see if they work out."

    Fuck this shit.  Over the cliff we go.

    Enjoy the fucking ride.

    •  We should begin planning now (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Wolf10, victoria2dc

      for the "ride over the cliff", get people prepared.  Maybe it won't be so bad?

      An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:48:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Seriously... what does it mean to the (0+ / 0-)

        average poor person with "poor people's insurance" and a $68 pension (after 11 years) at the BIGGEST criminal bank in the world (Wells Fargo)?

        I'm concerned about what it will do to the cost of things... no $$$ doesn't work with high prices.

        Dumb question:  should we pull out as much cash as possible and leave enough to pay bills with a debit card that doesn't charge fees?

    •  LOL! Great analogy.... (0+ / 0-)

      Sadly, I know too many that will not enjoy that ride.  But "it" happens.

      Thinking of all the Coasties down here in Pinellas who are going to lose their jobs.  Man.....

  •  Amazingly stupid move (7+ / 0-)

    Boehner better think long and hard about the motives of those telling him to dig in his heals. Cantor, is that you?

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:22:08 AM PST

  •  nothing new here (3+ / 0-)
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    librarisingnsf, shoeless, hulibow


    the Repubs will push this one till 11:45 p.m. just like they did with the budget... over, and over, and over.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:23:23 AM PST

  •  Funny... (10+ / 0-)

    The GOP took their case to the American people, and with the exception of the House (which benefited from gerrymandering to protect Republican seats in "safe" districts) lost big-time.

    So, why do they still think we are down with their trickle-down bull-crap?  They are indeed living in a rhetorical bubble of their own making.

    "What's next?" - President Josiah Bartlet, The West Wing

    by shaf on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:24:53 AM PST

  •  Doctor , If you please..... (3+ / 0-)

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:25:04 AM PST

  •  Next up on KBOR, some Solid Gold Rethug hits! (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    librarisingnsf, DRo, shoeless, LeighAnn

    First up, "Hostage Taking", followed by "Freak Out Over Nothing" and then their number one smash hit:  "If you break ranks we'll leave a horse head in your bed!"

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:25:12 AM PST

  •  Obama us speaking live at WH right now (5+ / 0-)

    asking everyone to contact their representative in Congress and explain how the 2,000 tax cut will help their family.  Or tweet using "#my2K" Very cool!

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:25:18 AM PST

  •  I want the Bush tax cuts to expire...period!! (9+ / 0-)

    I am sure other people are as SICK as I am of hearing the tit for tat back and forth about finding a way to NOT let these tax cuts that were designed to expire EXPIRE.  

    When these 'temporary' tax cuts were enacted many of us said they were never going to be allowed to expire...and now HERE we are (sigh)

    so I want to see these temporary tax cuts EXPIRE like they were supposed to and then I want to see the Obama admin make the GOP fight to get a NEW tax cut for the super wealthy.

    OVER THE CLIFF!   and then foward

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:27:33 AM PST

    •  It's a curious situation for the Norquist devotees (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      HarryParatestis, RichM, victoria2dc

      On the one hand, he's made taxing the middle class the new third rail of politics. On the other, he's inadvertently made taxing the wealthy to pay for the beneficial government the middle class wants fashionable.

      Heh.

      Vote Tea Party Taliban! Bring the Burqa to America.

      by Pescadero Bill on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:41:01 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually Grover is working on behalf of the... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        victoria2dc, Pescadero Bill

        Democratic Party.  If a GOPer wnats to make a deal, Grover will run/support an opponent in the next primary.  No doubt an "Akin" or "Murdoch" type.  Thus, the Dems win the general.  If the GOPers stick together, they'll truly be stuck.  All a Dem has to do is blame them for tearing the country's economy apart because of their stubborness.  The Dem wins again.  GO GROVER!!!

        There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

        by HarryParatestis on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:50:44 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  I want (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      milton333

      I want the Reagan tax cuts rolled back.  That was the start of the royal screwing of the middle/working class.  

  •  When holding the middle class hostage is (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JML9999, shoeless, victoria2dc

    outlawed, only outlaws will hold hostage the middle class?

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by bobdevo on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:27:44 AM PST

  •  It's about big $ again (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pescadero Bill, shoeless, victoria2dc

    The big pocket guys have met with the GOP and have told them what they want.  They are anti-American, unpatriotic assholes that only want to line their own pockets and will use the GOP to that end.  

    On the other hand, Warren Buffet and others have said they need to be taxed for the BENEFIT of America.  Shit, does the GOP still think we are all still stupid?

  •  Boehner makes no attempt to hide behind teaparty (4+ / 0-)

    members anymore. He has become one of them.

  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichM, BobBlueMass

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:31:18 AM PST

  •  Boehner needs the fiscal cliff (4+ / 0-)

    more than the President if what he is doing is maintaining power as Speaker. Only after the fiscal bump can he get the Tea party to give up their dreams and force their hand without threatening his own power base; After the bump he can use the guys like Cole and other R's in concert with the Democrats to get a bill through. The Tea party will back down given their constituent outrage without demanding Boehner's head.

    •  It's the only way he keeps his Speakership (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      J M F

      in the next Congress. If he caves and lets a vote come to the floor to just extend tax rates for the middle class, there will be a Tea Party revolt. They still won't be happy when he does bring the same bill to the floor next year but it will be blunted because of the public outrage when everyone's paycheck goes down in January.

      Let's not let 2014 be anything like 2010. Republicans only win when we stay home!

      by Tim D M on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:46:58 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  They have a bill to cut taxes only for (0+ / 0-)

    people who make more than $250,000/year?

    Assholes

    When someone tells you they are lying, you should believe them.

    by shoeless on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:34:07 AM PST

  •  Weak, stupid, incompetent, suicidal... (2+ / 0-)
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    shoeless, victoria2dc

    ...all of these are terms that describe Boner at this point.

    He seems hellbent on going over the cliff and inflicting massive political damage on his party and no one seems able to stop him.

  •  Well, what do we want in all this? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    victoria2dc

    We want to find a way for Johnny Boehner to save his precious face. THAT'S the most important thing.

    Johnny's feewings have been hurt. He already has a big, big sad because of the outcome of the election this month. He still needs to look like a manly man, and so the White House has to accommodate that need, or we won't be able to consider the welfare of the country, at all.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:35:06 AM PST

  •  Gridlock as antidote to sell-out: (1+ / 0-)
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    milton333
    I again think gridlock is the best ally of anyone who would rather not see a bad deal on social insurance put together. Clearly Democrats are dying to knife their base. What’s more, gridlock would put Democrats in a better position, particularly on taxes, because of what automatically results after January.
    See David Dayen's Democrats Angling to Ignore Base in Fiscal Slope Deal as to his reasoning on this rather depressing conclusion.

    The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

    by Wolf10 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:35:46 AM PST

    •  "Clearly Democrats are dying to knife their base"? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sagesource

      Really?
      Which ones?

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:15:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well there's the hirelings such as Plouffe, (0+ / 0-)

        mentioned in the article cited, as well as the likes of Bowles of Catfood Commision infamy, and Geithner, whose Herculean efforts to save the banks at homeowners', and tax payers' expense will echo ignominiously through time, acting as dead weight on the economy and putting us still at risk of yet another crisis of inadequately regulated capitalism. And need I mention he that hired them?

        As for elected Democrats, besides he that hired those mentioned above, I'll offer just one well know representative of that type, Dick Durbin, also mentioned in the article cited with recent quote provided:

           Durbin said it was not responsible to demand that entitlement reforms be off the table.

            “I listened to voices from the left, and many of them say, ‘don’t touch any of the entitlement programs’,” Durbin told MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Tuesday. “I don’t think that’s a responsible approach.”

        The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

        by Wolf10 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:13:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  "Dying to knife their base" (0+ / 0-)

          is a heavily charged misread on "Democrats", as if they were one monolithic block intent on screwing the people that just reelected and promoted them.
          And while I can see some Democrats that are looking out more for the 1% than for the rest of their constituents, it's not the party's policy and it's not the agenda for most of the Dems in Congress and the Administration.
          What it is, is one of the PureLeft talkingpoints for damning ALL politicians except the marginal 3rds who stand no chance of taint because they'll never get elected in the first place.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:21:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans: Meet My Demands ... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LeighAnn, victoria2dc

    ... Or America Gets It!

    I'm so tired of Republican hypocrisy.  They've done enough damage.  Elections should have consequences, even when Democrats win.

    Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

  •  The big news from this story.. (8+ / 0-)

    ..someone from Oklahoma is actually the 'reasonable' Republican.

    When extra-terrestrial beings make their first appearance on our planet, and ask for representatives of our species to best exemplify humanity, I'm sending a nurse, a librarian, and a firefighter.

    by Wayward Son on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:37:28 AM PST

  •  Remind me who won the election (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cactusgal, victoria2dc

    That was so earlier this month.

  •  Boner is making one last gasp. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    victoria2dc

    He will fail this like everything else he's done. And when that is apparent, the Grand Obstructionist Party will replace him. So much for his 15 minutes.

  •  Boehner has no mandate (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP lost the popular vote in the house. Yet, because of unfair redistricting, States that were clearly won by Obama like PH and OH still sent a big majority of GOP men to Congress. This makes no sense at all. You can consider the GOP house win a stolen election.

  •  Here's hoping Boehner prevails. (7+ / 0-)

    If we do go over said 'cliff' then all tax cuts expire and the first thing democrats will propose is a tax cut for the middle class. Hard for Republicans to defend against this. And it takes away whatever leverage Republicans can exert by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.

    OTOH, sunsetting the Bush tax cuts for only the top 2% before the end of the year allows Republicans to claim they are acting sanely while allowing them to use the debt ceiling threat.

  •  The Senate has already passed this (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    HarryParatestis, CKindaSprings63

    anyway to get a House vote on it without having GOP leadership blocking it?

    Tom Cole is a hardly a moderate, so if he is saying this, my guess is there is enough GOP support + Dem support to get to 218.

  •  OUR House! Our Door Boehner! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  The same logic applies to Bush's middle class tax (0+ / 0-)

    cuts -- extending them amounts to a new tax cut, but...

    I don't think people will see it that way.

    They will see it as their taxes going up.

    Why bother with verbal gymnastics that fool nobody?

    The middle-class is rocked and socked, the rich can take a small (and that's all we're talking about) hit so that the real job-creators don't lose even more clout in the market.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:44:45 AM PST

  •  You had me right here (6+ / 0-)
    So much for the idea that Republicans are serious about being reasonable
    By all means, let's go over the phony "fiscal cliff" because Boner and his fellow delusionals think there's a political advantage for them.  

    Bring it on.  Look what it did for Bill Clinton.  

    This would be as good a place as any to mention this:

    I was driving and I was flipping the dials to see what lunacy RW radio comes up with.  I happened to listen to Tod Schnitt who I can't believe has a career in radio.  Then again, you don't need much to have a career in RW radio.  but I digress.  

    Anyway, the topic was the "fiscal cliff" and how Democrats want to raise taxes on the rich.  Schnitt actually posed the question "when has raising taxes ever cut the deficit"?  This dumbass was serious.  

    Let me think here:  The Clinton administration.   As we all know, not only did the Clinton tax increases cut the deficit, it cut it down to zero and Clinton left a surplus.  

    Not once did Schnitt or any of his ignorant listeners mention that fact.  Life on Planet Bulls*t is strong.  

  •  No Big Deal Here. All the Prez has to do is (6+ / 0-)

    allow the fiscal cliff to take effect, and then get the Senate to propose a bill for retroactive cuts for the middle class.  Let the GOP say no to that.  I'd like to see Reid's true filibuster rule in time for that one.

    There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

    by HarryParatestis on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:45:19 AM PST

    •  Not so simple (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      HarryParatestis, milton333

      Perhaps this is just posturing, but I get the sense that a majority of house Repubs are willing to let the country go into a serious recession next year to avoid having to compromise for the first time since 1994. If so, the only way around this is to either yield to their hostage-taking demands, or find the 20 or so house Repubs needed to pass the senate's bill (and hope that Reid passes filibuster reform and Pelosi can get the necessary 200 Dem votes in the house).

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:55:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  good point...you are probably more predictive (0+ / 0-)

        than I.  thanks.

        There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

        by HarryParatestis on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:58:30 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  It wouldn't even come up for a vote (0+ / 0-)

        in the House. Doesn't matter how many Rs jump ship, Boney will not allow a vote on this.

        How many divisions does OWS have?

        by Diebold Hacker on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:46:48 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Then he'll have to answer to voters (0+ / 0-)

          about why their taxes went up and their jobs eliminated next year. Is he willing to carry that bet till 2014, when they get to weigh in?

          I'm tired of hearing how gerrymandering makes it impossible for Dems to retake the house before 2020. I can't stand that defeatist talk. There is absolutely no way we can't find 20-30 districts to turn Dem.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:41:39 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Boehner Voted For the "Cliff" (3+ / 0-)
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    RichM, a2nite, milton333

    Right along with Wonky Dingbat Paul Ryan and the
    Entire Repugnicant Party.

    Remember when "Agent Orange" Bragged to the Press
    that HE got 98 Percent of what HE Wanted ?

    Like the Old saying Goes, "Be Careful what you Wish For
    Because you just might Get It".

    They Created the "Cliff", They OWN the "Cliff".

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:46:47 AM PST

    •  They're betting that while the country (0+ / 0-)

      might blame them at first for the "cliff", eventually it will pressure Dems to give in to their demands to get us out of another recession.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:57:03 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Giving in to their demands wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

        help at all.
        What the Dems will have to do immediately in January, is push an unemployment extension. And there are a bunch of critical programs that lose funding in the Sequester that must be restored quickly.
        Added revenue from the expiration and sequestration, the new "facts on the ground" will make it hard for them to fight necessary spending restorations. It should also then be possible to get some new stimulus moving, maybe by tying a middle class tax cut to it that the GOP has to support.
        I don't see any upside to bending to their extortion and every upside to telling them to fu(k off.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:27:32 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Different issue (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      milton333

      The tax cut issue was addressed in the 2010 lame duck session, and the present extension (which is set to expire) was actually the GOP's demand during that session.

      The "98% of what I wanted" deal was last year's sequestration agreement on the debt ceiling. The GOP demanded huge budget cuts as the price of raising the debt ceiling, and then promptly started bellyaching about the looming disaster of the automatic defense cuts that they agreed to in the first place and could have wholly averted either by negotiating in good faith during the super-super-committee a year ago, or just passing any damned budget they could get the votes for in the time since.

      ad astra per alia porci

      by harrije on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:10:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  If Boehner wasn't able to hold us hostage (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichM

    he probably wouldn't serve a purpose. Just like John McCain, the GOP are starting to realize their opinions & positions are unpopular, so they have to cause controversy in order to stay relevant.

    Follow me on Twitter! @guileofthegods

    by Guile Of The Gods on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:47:19 AM PST

  •  Let them expire. (7+ / 0-)

    I don't need a tax cut.  I need a government that works.

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:49:19 AM PST

  •  Boehner is trying to play chicken with PBO. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Thomas Twinnings

    Guess who's going to lose.

    I say let's jump off that cliff, holding Boehner close, and then pass a tax cut for the middle class with the next Congress.  That'll put the upper 1% back in the tax bracket they were in under Clinton, lowering the debt by billions every year.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:50:49 AM PST

    •  Not only a cut for the middle classes.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....but a refund for the two years of extra taxes they paid due to the Republicans refusing to be reasonable.

      Hm. A check for four thousand dollars if the Democrats take control of the House in 2014? Let the Republicans try to argue against that.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Any reason Congress can't keep the rates, but (1+ / 0-)
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    Thomas Twinnings

    sunset everything else in the 2001 Tax act? If memory serves, much of the damage was created when the conference committee totally caved to the House version in which DeLay declared the rates to be just a starting point and put in a lot of other stuff. (And by stuff I mean crap.) Some of what the House put in involved retroactively refunding a lot of corporate and rich-people stuff, and I assume you can't simply go take all that money again. But is there enough other stuff for that to work?

    Personal preference is to let the thing expire and then the Admin submit its own tax act a la Reagan's 86 tax reform.

    Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

    by textus on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:52:24 AM PST

  •  This is how an addict acts and speaks (3+ / 0-)
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    rlochow, DSPS owl, a2nite

    Continually promising to do something about their addiction to get people off their backs, but never actually doing anything about their addiction beyond a few meaningless and symbolic things. The GOP is addicted to cutting taxes on the rich and entitlement spending on the poor. This is the EXACT SAME mindset as that of rich white southerners leading up to the Civil War. It's all about rich white male privilege, as always. They just never give up. EVER. They're simply stuck in an infinite loop of self-privilege. Which is why now, as then, they must be destroyed. Anyone who doesn't understand that understands nothing.

    If Obama doesn't understand this, god help him.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:53:13 AM PST

  •  I Have Come To The Conclusion That The Only Way (2+ / 0-)
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    CwV, milton333

    Democrats are going to make the GOP realize we are serious about raising taxes on the wealthy is to just let the damn Bush tax rates expire. Period. If Democrats continually cave in on the upper income tax breaks, THE BUSH ERA RATES WILL NEVER GO AWAY. The GOP will just continue to hold the country hostage every time the rates are ready to expire. So I say, let em expire. This allows the Democrats in the new Congress to come back in a stronger bargaining position with legislation lowering rates for those making under $250k. If the GOP takes it, we win.  If they obstruct lowering rates on middle and lower incomes, Democrats can use it against the GOP in the 2014 midterm elections.

  •  How many lame-duck Republicans in the House? (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe Obama should pull a page from Abe Lincoln's book as depicted in the recent movie and offer jobs in the Administration in return for their votes.

    Unfortunately, that means making Allen West Postmaster General.

  •  Cole and his colleagues. (0+ / 0-)

    Do we know how many Congresscritters this group includes?  Nancy [Pelosi] needs to start courting this group of fiscal mavericks, and try to get them to vote as a unified bloc with Dems --- because this select group could be the beginning of the end for Gruppenfuhrer Boehner and his Teabaggereist maniacs.

    Remember:  Every avalanche begins with but a single snowflake....

    I count even the single grain of sand to be a higher life-form than the likes of Sarah Palin and her odious ilk.

    by Liberal Panzer on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:23:13 AM PST

  •  Let's change our language. (3+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl, HCKAD, milton333

    The tax increase the President supports and would go through should the House take up the bill passed by the Senate is not on people who earn more than $250,000.

    Rather, taxes would go up on income greater than $250,000. This is important because tax rates are marginal, so everyone would still pay a lower rate on the first $250,000 earned. It also takes away the Republican talking point about vilifying people.

    We don't want to increase taxes on people, we want to increase taxes on income.

  •  17 GOP votes (1+ / 0-)
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    milton333

    that is the sum total of what's holding back progress. That's why Bohner has to push so hard cuz once the ball starts unraveling he's in an untenable position. It ain't 2009 no more.

  •  Fine (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    They are holding taxpayers below $250,000 a year hostage.

    That is their admission that these aren't guys that they represent.

    Now we have to rub their noses in that.

  •  Call the bastard's bluff (0+ / 0-)

    Let the tax increases and spending cuts - ALL of them - take effect on Jan. 1 and then let Boner defend his refusal to cooperate in stopping some of them.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:45:18 AM PST

  •  If all we need is 17 Gop votes (0+ / 0-)

    Then President Obama should try to peel them off one by one, advising them they will be free and clear of the tax
    burden of 98% of Americans.

    The rest of the blame will be on their colleagues if the other
    stuff doesn't get done.

    Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by destiny1 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:02:56 AM PST

  •  They just want to keep everything (0+ / 0-)

    f&*%#@d up for as long as they can in order to blame a failed economy on a Democrat president. Plain and simple.  I hope the Dems just go on over the cliff and then put the cuts back in for the 250k and below because there is no way the Reps can vote against it anyway.  Man up- we got your back Obama.

    This "Trickle Down" thing has turned out to be somebody pissing on my leg and tellin' me it's rainin'.

    by swtexas on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:03:16 AM PST

  •  We're going over the cliff (0+ / 0-)

    I was listening to various republicans on NPR and really, they are like stamping "new and improved" on the same old box of soap suds.

    Their position on taxes is no difft than it was, they just want it to SOUND like it is, but they aren't doing a very good job.

    The Pres really has nothing to lose by going over.

    If the econony tanks the public will blame it on the GOP and no matter what he can claim a big reduction in the deficit.

    I personally think that the admin may have been setting this up since early in the first term when they realized that they did not have a serious partner.

    I mean the bond rating won't be hurt since it will actually mean MORE money coming in. Right??

  •  Great article in today's Indianapolis STAR re: (0+ / 0-)

    Richarrd Lugar (R).  In an interview witht the STAR Lugar expressed how freeing it is to serve in this fnal Lame Duck Session, knowing that he won't be going back to the Senate.  He says the freeing part is that he no longer has to fall in line with all the Republican Party silliness, but can truely vote for the Legislation which will  best benefit those who elected him.  This could be good news for Democrats, because Lugar won't be counted among the Republicans cowtowing to the TeaBaggers.  

  •  That photo is terrifying. (0+ / 0-)

    The Great Pumpkin Head looks positively sagacious next to Bush.

    So just how stupid was our POTUS for 8 years?

    Dumb enough to make Boehner look like a Rhodes Scholar.

    Both ends of that seesaw are terrifying.

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