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Republican House Speaker John Boehner might be insisting on holding middle-class tax cuts hostage, but that doesn't mean President Obama is about to accept Boehner's ransom demand: an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Instead, the president is preparing to ramp up the political pressure on House Republicans to extend middle-class tax cuts free and clear, including holding an event today at the White House in which he asked Americans to put pressure on Congress to pass middle-class tax cuts immediately as part of the effort to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff.

President Obama started by outlining the issue:

Right now, as we speak, Congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody’s income. Everybody's. [...] The Senate has already passed a bill that keeps income taxes from going up on middle-class families.  Democrats in the House are ready to vote for that same bill today. And if we can get a few House Republicans to agree as well, I’ll sign this bill as soon as Congress sends it my way.
The point President Obama was making here is that he doesn't see the tax cut debate as a negotiation with the Republican Party. Instead, he sees a world in which he just won an election, Democrats expanded their Senate majority, and have a House with 192 members. Assuming we hold most of those Democrats, we'd only need between two and three dozen Republican defections. In other words, he's not interested in haggling with John Boehner—he's merely trying to peel off about 15 percent of the GOP caucus to support middle-class tax cuts.

And instead of trying to get those votes through back room dealmaking, President Obama's taking his case directly to the American public—and he's asking them to make their case to Congress:

The American people are watching what we do -- middle-class families, folks who are working hard to get into the middle class -- they're watching what we do right now.  And if there’s one thing that I’ve learned, when the American people speak loudly enough, lo and behold, Congress listens. [...] So in the interest of making sure that everybody makes their voices heard, last week we asked people to tell us what would a $2,000 tax hike mean to them [...] Today, I’m asking Congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. I’m asking Americans all across the country to make your voice heard. Tell members of Congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you.  Call your members of Congress, write them an email, post it on their Facebook walls.  You can tweet it using the hashtag “My2K.”  Not "Y2K."  (Laughter.)  "My2K."  We figured that would make it a little easier to remember.
The Twitter thing (#My2k) is cute and catchy, but the key point here is that Obama isn't treating this as a deal to be made between John Boehner and himself—he's treating this an issue that all Americans have a stake in. That's why he held today's event and that's why he's going to Philadelphia on Friday to press his case.

Instead of resigning himself to the notion that Washington elites have all the power, Obama is trying to demonstrate that democracy works—that people really do have the power to change Washington. If he succeeds—if Americans finally force Republicans to stop governing by ransom-letter—our country will be much stronger for it, and not just because the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will finally be a thing of the past.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:10 PM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  This is good strategy. It's giving 95% of Romney's (13+ / 0-)

    47% a chance at lower taxes in 2013. How many of them will bite and tell their Congress critters to budge? After all, many of them claimed they were scared to death of higher taxes. Time to put up or shut up.

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:15:51 PM PST

  •  like this is how to spread the word (14+ / 0-)

    today...

    Then, starting tomorrow?

    Start Calling Your US Reps & US Senators and demand that they support the President and ensure Tax Cuts to the Middle Class BUT NOT THE TOP 2%.

    #RightAway


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:17:41 PM PST

  •  I bet if a bill came to the floor today, (11+ / 0-)

    enough Republicans would defect but Boehner is not going to let a bill come to the floor until the last possible minute if at all. He still thinks he can get the President to cave or at least he has to pretend he does to keep the Tea Party from revolting.

    Let's not let 2014 be anything like 2010. Republicans only win when we stay home!

    by Tim D M on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:33:20 PM PST

  •  The extension of middle-class tax cuts, along (8+ / 0-)

    with re-working/postponement of the sequestration cuts in order that they make sense puts an end to the fiscal cliff (curb) issue.

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:38:28 PM PST

    •  Do those cuts even apply to the next Congress? (1+ / 0-)
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      Can they?

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:46:22 PM PST

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      •  The ramifications of the agreement (3+ / 0-)
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        that resulted in the "fiscal cliff" go into effect before the next congress is sworn in.  Changes in some of the terms can be renegotiated by the next congress, and no doubt will, but the terms take effect on Jan. 1st.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:18:21 PM PST

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        •  If the middle-class tax cuts get passed, without (1+ / 0-)
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          the extra tax cuts for income over $250,000, I wonder if that gets rid of sequestration.  Because sequestration was only supposed to happen if something wasn't done about the deficit, and this would help with the deficit quite a lot.  

  •  At the same time we can pressure Congress to not (13+ / 0-)

    cut SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:45:32 PM PST

    •  At least not in a way that hurts beneficiaries (6+ / 0-)

      There is a fair amount of fraud by hospitals that could be eliminated if prosecuting it were made a priority. Also, there are ways that payments could be structured more efficiently to control the costs of Medicare and Medicaid. And they could allow Medicare to negotiate with drug companies to save money.

      But sadly, I doubt that is what the GOP means when they say entitlement reform.

    •  Yes, that and give us all a unicorn, too!! (0+ / 0-)
      •  Something you should know: (1+ / 0-)
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        Dear Roadbed Guy,

        Nobody can "give" you a Unicorn.  But that's okay!  Dear friend, you already have your very own unicorn with you all the time.

        See my forthcoming book from Cosmic Dove Pres, called Questing For The Unicorn Within.  ($39.95 HB, $22.95 PB, $14.45 Kindle).

        Special discounts for Kossacks.

        Yours in radiant bliss,

        Ambrosia Wezdt

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:58:37 PM PST

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        •  Did you just make that up? (3+ / 0-)
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          'cuz I tried to Google the "questing for the unicorn within" thing and it doesn't really check out the way you portray it.

          Of course, Google might not be up to searching for imaginary creatures, who know.

          •  Actually, this Ambrosia person just takes over (1+ / 0-)
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            my keyboard from time to time.  She claims to be a walk-in from a parallel universe, because String Theory.

            However, to retain my cover of complete rationality, I"ll say that yes, I just made it up.

            And you googled it.  I'm flattered.  : )

            You think it would sell?  Maybe I should steal the idea from Ambrosia and write the damned book.

            --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

            by Fiona West on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 10:09:04 AM PST

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            •  Hmm, I'd read it - but about "selling" (0+ / 0-)

              who knows - since everybody expects their information to be free these days and all that.

              •  Okay, if I ever write it, I'll send you a copy (0+ / 0-)

                for free.  Then you can proclaim that finally somebody DID give you a unicorn.  In book form at least.  

                But don't hold your breath...

                --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

                by Fiona West on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:11:20 PM PST

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  •  The fork in the road John (6+ / 0-)

    Which way do you go?

    Do you follow Grover further down the road to electoral irrelevance? Hope and pray 2014 goes your way and the gerrymandering holds off the tide? Hope the state level GOP's scorched earth policies destroy everything and we spend the next generation rebuilding while your 1% buddies get richer?

    Or do you chuck Grover (or whatever Muppet you worship) and remember the oath you pledged to the people of this country, and the Constitution?  Make the rich pay their fair share? Tax unearned income like any other income? Close those taxholes you and K Street carved for your buddies? Do something for the other 98%? And maybe, maybe, help the GOP back towards the middle before the demographic tide washes you down the Whig River?

    Your choice, John. Tax hikes for the rich, or Grover and Whigdom?

    A society is judged by how well it cares for those in the dawn of life, the children. By how well it cares for those in the twilight of life, the elderly. And, by how well it cares for those on the edge of life; the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

    by BobBlueMass on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:02:04 PM PST

    •  Make the rich pay their fair share? (3+ / 0-)

      Boehner is not likely to allow a vote on any such proposal, unless he is forced to.  I don't see it happening before Christmas.

      An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:30:05 PM PST

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      •  Fine. His choice. (3+ / 0-)
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        Puts him on the wrong side of history. And he knows it. Everybody but the tealiban knows it.

        But it's his choice.

        A society is judged by how well it cares for those in the dawn of life, the children. By how well it cares for those in the twilight of life, the elderly. And, by how well it cares for those on the edge of life; the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

        by BobBlueMass on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:42:04 PM PST

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      •  their idea of a "fair share" (3+ / 0-)
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        may be very different from ours ;-).  My idea is at least 50%.

        And here's another off-topic thing that just occurred to me.  How many people think that when we say "50%" that we mean 50% of ALL their income?  I bet they think the Federal Government is taking 1/2 of all their income.  How does that hurt the argument for truly fair taxation?

        "Mitt Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra." -- me "Social justice is love, made public." -- Cornel West

        by billlaurelMD on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:24:54 PM PST

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        •  They do think that. They do not understand (2+ / 0-)
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          because they don't read. We need Big Dog to go on a 'splainin tour.

          I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
          NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
          Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

          by OleHippieChick on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:14:56 PM PST

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          •  maybe we need #marginaltaxrate? (1+ / 0-)
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            with helpful explanations.

            "Mitt Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra." -- me "Social justice is love, made public." -- Cornel West

            by billlaurelMD on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:16:55 PM PST

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            •  Had to look up marginal tax rate in (2+ / 0-)
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              wiki and just as baffled as before the visit. My brain does not comprehend such language; it's scammy and nonsensical to me. Plus, I don't have a lick of math. :-P
              If someone could make an EZ soundbite explaining marginal tax rate, it would be a freakin miracle. Is it a good thing?
              I'm below poverty level on SocSec and odd jobs with 1 year till Medicare, so we don't pay much Fed tax, if any.

              I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
              NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
              Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

              by OleHippieChick on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:34:36 PM PST

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              •  I would hope you own NO tax other than SS (0+ / 0-)

                and Medicare.  I might give it a try one day soon and see if it works for you.  I'll have to look at that wiki page in the meantime.

                "Mitt Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra." -- me "Social justice is love, made public." -- Cornel West

                by billlaurelMD on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:56:52 PM PST

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  •  Just let the Bush tax cuts expire. (7+ / 0-)

    Go back to Clinton era tax rates.  We had a healthy economy and nobody was complaining about paying for that.

    Stop trying to find a way to extend the Bush tax cuts that got us into this mess.

  •  POTUS needs to stay in campaign mode (15+ / 0-)

    Obama needs to use that bully pulpit from now to the next election, give no quarter to the republican, take each major issue to the public and even to the obstructionists backyards.

    Keep hammering the public to throw the extremist right wingers out on the asses.

    •  ^^^exactly this^^^ (4+ / 0-)

      Obama has a huge tool available to him, OFA, that he didn't take advantage of in the first term. This looks like he may be fixing that oversight.
      Engage us. Bring us into the equation. Keep us involved in the process. The payoff will be enormous both in terms of getting policy moved but if we keep momentum from this election going into the next, we start that much farther ahead. For 2014 that could mean challenging the Majority status of the GOP in the House.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:35:32 PM PST

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    •  That's just what George W. Bush did for 8 years (1+ / 0-)
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      He must have worn out Air Force One giving speeches for his various neocon causes--the wars, SS privatization, pro-business rallies, not to mention non-stop campaigning by his underlings.

      Obama has not done this. Until now. For a week or so. How long will it last? I do not trust his new-found zeal...he's been missing in action for almost four years.

      They hate him, and I wish he'd actually given them good reasons to do so. What's the point if they hate you and you get half-measures instead of actual solutions?

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:38:28 PM PST

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      •  All the more reason for engaging the POTUS (0+ / 0-)

        Again, this is a good reason for OFA to keep people involved, and for people to keep the feet to the fire as was the case after the 1st debate.

        It's about POTUS' legacy and our future, and that requires for the next two years pushing through feasible  victories and setting the stage for eliminating the GOP majority in the House.

    •  Yes! (1+ / 0-)
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      At least to the extent that actually governing leaves him time to be in campaign mode.  Running a country is a demanding job, and the President's part in that doesn't leave a lot of time.

      He should also be keeping some of his OFA staff on board, and keeping the base mobilized.

      Imagine: the Democratic Party as a mass-based organization out to make campaign promises come true.

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:04:02 PM PST

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      •  How's that gonna be paid for? (0+ / 0-)

        "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

        by zizi on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:54:28 PM PST

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        •  Give people policy worth donating to and $$$$. (0+ / 0-)

          Purpose. Involvement. Inclusion.

          I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
          NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
          Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

          by OleHippieChick on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:19:16 PM PST

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          •  Agree, an energized POTUS is bankable (0+ / 0-)

            Yep, exactly right, POTUS needs to use his pulpit to communicate the purpose, to show the opportunity for involvement and the urgency for people to support the policies and proponents with $$$$ and political actions.....well that's a POTUS that will get my $$$ and my time.

  •  I've found that a handwritten letter (4+ / 0-)

    to a representative or senator - even one in the opposing party - gets more attention and carries more weight than any other type of correspondence.  Congresscritters seem to pay more attention to their constituents who spend the time and effort to put pen to paper to make their case.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:06:52 PM PST

  •  I am glad to see him do this. (9+ / 0-)

    John Boehner proved to be untrustworthy as a negotiating partner.  McConnell is also worthless.  The only way to get Republicans to represent the 99% is to shine a bright light on their obstruction.  I hope the President also has other surrogates speaking out and helping get the message across.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:08:36 PM PST

  •  I saw McConnell whining about it (1+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:09:40 PM PST

  •  Sometimes, and I mean (2+ / 0-)
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    sometimes, I wish I was a Tweeter.... However, 2 addictions is enough for me, the Daily Kos being one of them, and shoe shopping being the other......LOL.....:o)

    The GOP hate me! I'm black, a woman, disabled veteran, divorced mother and liberal. THEY SUCK!

    by secret38b on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:10:36 PM PST

  •  A petition just went up....I've signed it. (2+ / 0-)
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    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:11:37 PM PST

    •  Signed! (1+ / 0-)
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      Signed with pleasure!

      I could do without the perpetual fund-raising though; would be nice to sign one of these and just have a "thank you" pop up, instead.

      "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

      by Marjmar on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:54:59 PM PST

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  •  PBO - Got the Message - Now force the Reps/Sens (2+ / 0-)
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    Not to be overly optimistic - it appears however that the Prez felt the pressure and sees his advantage - We have to fight for him - if he fights for us..
    Now, if we all switch our calls, emails, faxes and such to our reps and sens AND I mean overwhelm them - They will cave...
    ESPECIALLY if your reps and sens are Rs - B relentless... Call ALL offices - post the numbers on yours and others FB and Twit accounts.. Just pretend it is an election and you are losing... Fight fight fight... If we become apathetic, they (Rs & TPs) will sense weakness and we will fail.. Failure is not a pretty option...

    GOP = Generic Oppression of the Poor - ddd

    •  Remember to talk to friends and relatives who (0+ / 0-)

      aren't Democrats, too.  Remember, lots of people agree on this issue who didn't vote for Obama.  And I'm sure there's lots of people who don't want to see their taxes go up, no matter who they voted for.

  •  Got the Bully-Pulpit warmed up (3+ / 0-)
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    PBO should ask the Big Dog to a little tour of Arkansas with this message

    Now with their party out of power, the GOP is flailing more then Mitch McConnell's jowls on a playground swing. S. Colbert

    by christomento on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:17:48 PM PST

    •  PLenty of other places he can have an impact, too. (0+ / 0-)

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:14:00 PM PST

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  •  How about he also ask the media to do its job (4+ / 0-)
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    along with more than a few Democratic "strategists" and pundits, so that they stop ignoring the assholish way that Repubs are holding the middle class hostage and stop putting the onus on Dems to be the responsible ones.

    Ok, never mind, that's not his job and if he tried he'd be mocked by same media and pundits and made to look like weak. That's our job, and the job of more honorable members of the media and punditocracy, to call out the media and hosebag pundits for taking it so easy on Repubs and being so hard on Dems.

    I'm tired of this double standard where Repubs are excused for their horrible behavior under "boys will be boys" rules, but Dems are criticized for refusing to cave to their demands and called irresponsible. Anyone applying this double standard has to be called out and embarrassed for it.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:18:07 PM PST

    •  How about, for one thing, telling the Talking Head (3+ / 0-)
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      shows to have as many Democrats as Republicans on as speakers, for ghod's sake.  It's such a joke.  ALmost every Sunday show is hosting some Republican.  Usually John McCain.

      How many elections do we have to win before Democrats even get an equal voice on TeeVee?

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:16:12 PM PST

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      •  And most of the Dems they have on (3+ / 0-)

        are RepubliDems like Rendell, Summers or Ford. The number of liberal Dems they have on is quite small, in no way comparable to the number of conservatives they have on. For every time Rachel or Katrina or Reich is on, a Pete King or McCain or Brooks is one 5-10 times as often. It's a deliberate and willful decision intended to keep the debate as favorable to the right as possible, because these media outlets benefit more from GOP than Dem politicies.

        There cannot possibly be any other explanation for why despite how many times actual credible economists like Krugman or Reich or Bernstein say that the cliff is actually a curb and deficits don't matter that much right now vs. stimulus, pundits and journalists continue to pretend otherwise and keep plugging the lie that we're going off a catastrophic cliff if a Grand Bargain isn't struck soon that absolutely has to include cuts to entitlement programs and maybe a slight increase in taxes for the rich. There is no way in hell that they don't realize that they're lying. They are dumb but not THAT dumb. They're lying because they're told to lie, because it favors them personally, and because they fear what might happen to their careers if they don't lie. They all remember what happened to Ashleigh Banfield.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:24:17 PM PST

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        •  I cannot stand Rendell; eom. (0+ / 0-)
          •  Guys like Rendell have a ton of money coming in (0+ / 0-)

            and will never be bothered if there are cuts in Social Security or Medicare benefits.  I get real mad when Rendell starts insisting everyone needs to feel some pain, because he'll never feel the pain.  Then again, he's probably so rich by now that he will be one of the ones that has to pay more if taxes go up on incomes more than $250,000.  So maybe he's thinking, well if I have to pay more, than I sure want to make sure that old lady trying to live on $14,000 a year has to feel some pain.

            Okay, I hope this isn't true.  I'm talking myself into really hating Rendell.

    •  Agreed. I've been making a number of calls to (0+ / 0-)

      MSNBC and CNN lately.

  •  Honestly...a $2K tax hike is OK by me. (8+ / 0-)

    I find the whole $250,000K cut off to be way to high.

    In the year 2000, our after tax income was in the 120,000 range.  Keep in mind I'm writing off mortgage interest, state taxes, charitable donations etc.

    Last year is as in the mid-150K range.

    Raising my taxes by a couple grand a year won't kill me.  In fact, I probably wouldn't even notice.

    I railed against the Bush tax cuts for myself in 2001.  I did the same in  2003.  And while the payroll tax cut served a necessary purpose, it should be lifted on income over 50,000 and not capped anymore.  You make $300,000K, you pay payroll taxes on all of it.  

    You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb it into peace - michael franti

    by FarmerG on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:19:24 PM PST

    •  Yes, part of the problem is that dinging the (0+ / 0-)

      1%ers only goes so far - heck you could take ALL of their income and the federal deficit would still loom large.

      Somebody once told me, that by contrast that there are WAY more people in the middle class - for example 40 times more just in the 3rd and 4th quintiles (they provided no link so I couldn't evaluate the veracity of this claim but I'll take it at face value - heck, who'd post untrue information on the internet and risk looking foolish?).  So, taking just a rather modest cut from all these people can add up meaningfully when it comes to deficit reduction . . ..

    •  I agree with this post, start to finish (0+ / 0-)

      Focusing on tax cuts for everyone is a FETISH. If Bush hadn't won and we never had those tax cuts, the deficit would be GONE.

      The economic 'danger' in raising taxes on the middle class in the middle of a 'recession' is NONEXISTENT. We need stimulus and tax HIKES on the wealthy...what are they going to do, PAY the taxes? Hell, no...they'll INVEST the money and create some frickin' jobs before they ever give Uncle Sam a dime.

      Trickle down economics was worse than a lie--it's the opposite of reality. Always has been, always will be, and yet it SELLS so well to millions of American dopes.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:32:39 PM PST

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    •  Great attitude, but for me a 2,000 tax hike would (1+ / 0-)
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      be extremely painful, as the recession has left me in pretty bad shape.  IN general, remember, wages have flat-lined since the 70's, but the top 2 percent are raking in the dough.  Therefore it is appropriate that they go back to the Clinton era rates, and it's appropriate, at least at this time, that those below $250,000 NOT go back to the higher rates.  THink of it as a continuing stimulus, which is definitely needed.

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:19:49 PM PST

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    •  It's better for the economy to spend it. (0+ / 0-)

      You get the multiplier effect if the 2K is circulated, and in the end, that money will end up with the gov anyway in the form of sales and income taxes after it's been used a few times.  It's really a stimulus after you remove the politics.  The tax monies over the 250K threshold aren't been circulated anyway, regardless of what supply-siders say, so at least the gov will circulate it rather then it sitting in the caymans.  (at least that's my take on it).

      ...if you could brighten the day of someone who is lonely or afraid on my behalf that would be something I would love. -Station Wagon.

      by TheDuckManCometh on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:56:30 PM PST

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  •  WE already have done our part (6+ / 0-)

    The middle class and the poor have sacrificed ALREADY. We are the ones who lost the jobs. We are the ones who bailed out the wealthy. We are the ones who had services cut. WE have done our share.

    It is time for the wealthy to bail us out. It is time for THEM to do their share!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

    by Kevanlove on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:20:14 PM PST

  •  Pat Buchannan is urging Boehner to take a stand (1+ / 0-)
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    ..and not back down. Stretch things out as long as he has to in order to not raise taxes no matter what.

    For "the principle of the thing" or something.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:25:30 PM PST

  •  How very FDR (and Reagan) of him. (4+ / 0-)

    It's never a bad idea to remind the folks in DC who put them there and who can take away the golden keys.

    This is a case (like SOPA) where sentiment is pretty strong.
    I would bet that a fair number of people who don't believe that rates should go back up for the rich, if faced with a choice between holding out for (questionable) principle and getting walloped themselves, will want to avoid the self-walloping.

    So...gold star for the President.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:35:51 PM PST

  •  Good! Use that bully pulpit! (4+ / 0-)

    How many divisions does OWS have?

    by Diebold Hacker on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:38:40 PM PST

  •  Finally, this is the Barack Obama (4+ / 0-)

    I've been waiting for.  A president who makes a direct appeal to the people to put pressure on Congress to do their job.  

    For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still. --John Maynard Keynes

    by Kurt from CMH on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:43:51 PM PST

  •  THIS is the guy I've longed for! (1+ / 0-)
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    So, now he's feeling truly assured of support from the voters; we've re-elected him.  So, now he feels freer to appeal directly to those same voters...yes?  

    Yes.  This is the guy I voted for.

    I fully recognize I may be far less than thrilled with what is ultimately agreed to...but this guy, my President...he's making the case.  

    I hope we continue to have his back, because this is the guy we said we wanted.  This guy.

    "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

    by Marjmar on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:44:07 PM PST

  •  Should Pressure GOP Reps In Swing Districts (2+ / 0-)
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    We of course have the lame duck GOP reps who will be replaced by Democrats. Love to see pressure from the winners to ask them to support the will of the people. Then we have the 11 districts where GOP won with less than 5%. Some are incumbent and if moderate Republicans are going to come back from extinction it will be among this crowd. I'm counting 15 more districts where GOP won with between 5 and 9.9%. Some are incumbents and they could succumb to pressure. So we have 26 districts where the GOP won with less than 10%. It is a less daunting task to set up operations there over the next two years like OFA set up in the battleground states. Much less territory.

  •  I happily e-mailed Lloyd Doggett, my Rep (3+ / 0-)
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    I know that I probably didn't have to tell him to vote for Obama's agenda, but I just liked being able to e-mail him. We moved to Austin about 6 months ago after having lived in a Republican district in Houston for many years. So happy Lloyd Doggett is my Rep.

  •  4 more years of this guy? (0+ / 0-)

    Absolute heaven. What a mensch!

  •  I'm on it, PBO. (2+ / 0-)
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    Turtle
    Phone: (202) 224-2541

    Can'tor
    P: 202.225.4000

    Drinky McBoner
    Phone: (202) 225-0600

    I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
    NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
    Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

    by OleHippieChick on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:08:59 PM PST

  •  Obama should wait until Jan 2nd, and let the Bush (2+ / 0-)
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    tax cuts expire on the wealthy, THEN, and only then, lets make a deal!!!!

    •  And immediately reinstate the middle class cuts (0+ / 0-)

      at the same time. While the filibuster bites the dust.

      I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
      NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
      Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

      by OleHippieChick on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:54:19 PM PST

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  •  A protest in front of the House is needed here. (1+ / 0-)
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    Can't think of anything better than the spectacle of a few thousand Americans in front of the House demanding the extension of the tax cuts up to $250k before the end of the year.

    Has anyone heard of any Progressive group planning any?

    "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted."-Martin Luther King Jr

    by Riyaz Guerra on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:41:17 PM PST

  •  Participatory politics? (0+ / 0-)

    In representative democracy?

    By Jove! That's just crazy enough to work. Can a new generation of voters become enchanted and illusioned with Washington?

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