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As someone that has been through the wringer regarding my "official" identification and my gender not matching I know that there is no interest by Carnival in making those that are not gender normative feel welcome on their cruise. It was much worse before I changed my name to a male one and got the correct gender designation on my ID. So I know the bolded line about security will be the club Carnival will use to gender police.

“The group, ‘Drag Stars at Sea,’ includes several performances by stars from Logo TV as part of a series of private events onboard. When the group was presented to us we were advised that only the performers would be dressed in drag during the private events.However, we are now aware that this was not clearly communicated to members of the group and therefore anyone who wishes to dress in drag may do so. Please keep in mind that our safety and security procedures require guests to present government-issued ID, and to be recognizably that person.

Keep in mind my issues with identification were well before my transition. People would flat out tell me the ID they handed them was not mine because my gender did not match the F on the license. And if I dressed in feminine clothes? I looked like a drag queen. I could not hide who I was by the clothes I wore.

Originally posted to TransAction on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 03:11 AM PST.

Also republished by Angry Gays and Milk Men And Women.

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  •  When I read the orginal diary on (10+ / 0-)

    this earlier this week, I noticed that line you bolded in the other diary and it stood out to me. I wondered what they meant by "recognizably". This creates all kinds of scenarios that could be manipulated in favor of someone who wanted to harass a certain sort of people. Thanks for highlighting this because it did raise a red flag for me, too.

    "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

    by GenXangster on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:07 AM PST

  •  well (1+ / 0-)
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    If you're trans and too poor or life is too messed up to execute an ID change, or you're genderqueer in real life and don't want an ID change,  and are denied carriage, I think that's a major real problem.   So is this, but it seems like a different one to this reader.

    I tried to sort this for myself after alienating the previous diarist on this subject.  Cis men (gay or straight) who reserve alternative gender expression for special parties that cost a lot of money to attend have not traditionally been my allies in life, for better or worse...indeed, rather the opposite...so there's some bias on my part. And this doesn't seem like a "travelling genderqueer" issue, though it can be legitimately framed that way especially in light of their wording.  

    What does seem apalling on Carnival's part is that this whole thing reeks of squick.  They don't want "men in dresses" running around their boat, and you can practically feel the sneer.  

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 04:40:40 AM PST

    •  I get the opposite from Drag Queens (1+ / 0-)
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      They treat me like a well loved pet when I'm around them.

      I understand their reactions to any insinuation that they are Trans are meant to offend you and something I have yet to resolve as to how to correct.

      It is important though that they do get the gender variance message out there even if they are complete assholes to Transwomen.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 05:17:45 AM PST

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      •  I shrank from... (2+ / 0-)

        ...the "they" outright.  Because you should have a right to gender expression as human right regardless of your own level of enlightenment, of course...whether that expression is a burqa or a drag party.  

        I am not sure being a well loved pet is an endorsement :}  But I meant it...there isn't a thing wrong with play.

        There are so many stupid ways the trans community (if one dare use the word) whack on ourselves, this included.  I don't think the "we're not trans!" thing as such is very high up the squabble ladder.  I've gone so far as to wear a tux to formal parties just to make people twitch -- doing my best to wrap up cute and ambiguity with a bow (tie)is not alien to me.   And ..we're not a high school...individual reactions and group trends are not an identity.

        But...I was confessing my biases.  It can be very brave to be willing to play with identity, to explore.  But there is definitely a culture, across the gay and lesbian community both, which privileges the folks who keep gender variance a pleasant game among friends and badge of sorts, and regards people who transition as mad, deluded self-mutilators, and I've heard it over and over and over in the meanest words.  It's a real theme, often right behind a scrim of polite acceptance, and contributes to an isolation and marginalization which is itself a kind of violence.  In some ways, one of our most deadly.

        So...I agree with you about getting the message out,, but my agreement is pretty general, if that makes any sense.  I have been, essentially, refused boarding on Amtrak because I didn't pass sufficiently well for the fellow looking up my ticket -- in your fair city to the south, in fact.  And every piece of paper and hoop which society requires of us was in perfect order.  Just last Spring a gentleman by the restrooms, and a few of his closest friends, generously offered to fuck me up as I ran to the women's can at the Seattle Greyhound.  Issues of safe carriage treat with important civil rights.   Folks who take tickets and examine papers and patrol bus stations need to know that people vary in gender expression and remain legal persons.   I don't know if this is the most effective face for that though...or a good proxy for lost jobs, families and lives, the reasons why we fight.  Anyway.

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:09:52 AM PST

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        •  Friendly pet not play pet, in most cases. (1+ / 0-)
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          As a recent joiner of the "mutilated" ranks I do understand and had a difficult time in the Lesbian community because my very identity was appropriated as the paragon of a strong woman and if you think Gay CD's are bad the Lesbian counterpart can be just as bad.

          We know the politics of division are against us. But that just means we know we kneed to correct it when we find it.

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:12:06 AM PST

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  •  Horace, when I first met I thought you might - (1+ / 0-)
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    and I stress MIGHT have been a transgendered individual. Well, now that I know you I am certain that you always were and are male no matter what the plumbing might be. Dude, it's good to know you.

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

    by llbear on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 07:30:36 AM PST

  •  A modest suggestion. Immodest, actually. (7+ / 0-)

    1. All Carnival customers should dress as they darn well please when boarding the ship.

    2. The first time Carnival has any question about whether anyone's gender matches their ID, all in the boarding queue should immediately drop their pants.

    I am thinking there would be no more questions about ID matching.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:26:36 PM PST

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