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Think back to the last couple of weeks before the election: All this talk about swing voters actually going to decide the next president. All these focus groups of clueless swing voters who just couldn't make up their minds about who would be the better president. Some of them had supposedly been paying attention for the previous two years, but they still had no idea who they would vote for. Really? No kidding? Were these people for real? At all?

Fittingly, swing voters went for Romney 50-45. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the relevance and pertinence of swing voters?

Are swing voters simply disengaged people who wake up two weeks before an election and realize they have a civic duty to perform two weeks hence so maybe it's time to start paying attention? Are they people who go around telling pollsters they are swing voters hoping they will get interviewed by a network focus group and put on television so they can get their fifteen minutes of fame?

Or are they simply people who don't matter much in the first place?


The importance of swing voters in national elections is usually...

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    ontheleftcoast, sebastianguy99

    To paraphrase Kurt Vonnegut: Pure joy is waking up one morning to realize that your high school class will NOT be running the country for the next four years.

    by ebrann on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 12:36:42 PM PST

  •  I long contended that most "swing voters" or the (6+ / 0-)

    other euphemism "Independent" are just folks too embarrassed to say they were Republicans OR Democrats. Currently Republicans are the brand with the higher shame factor and they broke for Romney. Looks like my theory could be correct.

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 12:45:57 PM PST

  •  It is the Moderates, not Indies or Swings that (5+ / 0-)
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    Manny, ebrann, entrelac, lina, RamblinDave

    ...are essential. President Obama lost Indies and Swings and still won. He won Moderates by double digits suggesting that is the group that might be most important.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 12:52:47 PM PST

    •  Excellent Distinction (0+ / 0-)

      And I want you to know that as a moderate voter, every candidate I voted for in the swing county (Jefferson) in the swing state of Colorado won.  So, in the future, we could just avoid all this nonsense and spending of money and polling and campaigning and ask me who I am voting for to settle all elections.  This election shit is for third-world countries.

    •  "Moderates" vs. "Low information voters" (0+ / 0-)

      The Democratic Party is, generally speaking, the Party of Moderates.  Increasingly, the GOP has gone so far out there that they need a coalition of Christians, Crazies, Capitalists, and the Confused.

      The Confused are really the only "swing" constituency out of those 4 groups.  It's a terrible way to run a country when you need to build coalitions on people with zero attention spans, no memory and no common sense, but what can you do about that, sometimes.

      [I]t is totally not true that Mitt Romney strapped Paul Ryan to the top of a car and drove him to Canada. Stop spreading rumors! -- Gail Collins

      by mbayrob on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:48:34 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Winning elections is about arithmetic (1+ / 0-)
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    Mostly, it mattered more this time to figure out who was decided, and get the ones who decided on the Good Guys (and Gals) to actually vote.

    But that's not always the case.

    I suspect that in cases where the vote was close, it did matter how some of the dummies undecided people voted.  And if you want to win in these cases, you need to put up deal with them.

    [I]t is totally not true that Mitt Romney strapped Paul Ryan to the top of a car and drove him to Canada. Stop spreading rumors! -- Gail Collins

    by mbayrob on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:43:34 PM PST

  •  Most Independents are INARB's (1+ / 0-)
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    INARB = "I'm not a Republican but...", and you can spot a member of that gang every time s/he expresses an opinion: they'll always say those five words followed by something straight out of Fox News. In my experience, they're independent because they think that proves they're above politics or some tripe like that. They think it means when they express an opinion, it's based on a clear-eyed assessment of the facts at hand rather than being clouded by partisanship. As for the fact that those opinions usually line up nicely with the Republicans, well, that must mean the Republicans are right because they agree with them!

    INARBs are also usually strong proponents of the belief that divided government (a Democratic president and a Republican Congress or vice versa) is a good thing because it provides a good balance. That says a lot, doesn't it?

    Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

    by RamblinDave on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:23:20 PM PST

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