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I thought this was pretty hilarious. Freshman GOP Rep. Chris Gibson, who just fended off a tough reelection challenge from Democrat Julian Schreibman, is trying to get out from under his pledge never to raise taxes that he made to anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist—a pledge he readily took when he first ran for Congress in 2010. But Gibson doesn't want to look like he's going back on his word, so he's come up with a truly comical "rationale" as to why his promise no longer applies to him:
The Congressman signed the pledge as a candidate in 2010 for the 20th Congressional District. [...]

Regarding the pledge moving forward, Congressman Gibson doesn’t plan to resign it for the 19th Congressional District, which he now represents (the pledge is to your constituents of a numbered district).

I'm pretty sure Gibson is trying to say that because his district number got changed, the pledge no longer applies! That's some amazing chutzpah. I mean, what if the number had happened to stay the same? And even forgetting that nonsense, how about the fact that 44 percent of the constituents in the new 19th were previously represented by Gibson in the old 20th? So would the pledge apply to that group, but not the remaining 56 percent? This is so ridiculous I can scarcely believe it. It doesn't matter what I think, though: The real question, though, will be whether Norquist buys it. Somehow, I have a feeling he won't.

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  •  I say let it slide (14+ / 0-)

    Anything that lets them get out of unanimity on that ridiculous pledge is OK by me.  And the more critters who abandon the pledge, the weaker it looks and the easier it looks to abandon the pledge.

    We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

    by nightsweat on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:17:28 PM PST

    •  Yeah, but (and it's a BIG, full-bodied "but)... (1+ / 0-)
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      nolagrl

      This guy used to be my congresscritter, and he shouldn't be allowed to get away with anything, up to and including sneaking out early to beat the Beltway traffic.

      Gibson is an ex-Marine officer who got the gig portraying himself as a tough Tea Party hardliner. He dodged questions about whether he'd vote for tax breaks for businesses who ship jobs overseas (and then voted for them), and voted against any efforts to cut military spending to "fix the deficit." When the backlash against the Tea Party started in mid-2011, Gibson suddenly "became" a moderate -- voting against ObamaCare, and then voting for it. He marketed himself this year as "the new Scott Brown", and nobody called him on it.

      As for Gibson's "excuse", it's right in line with the kind of weasel-like behavior he's engaged in ever since he hit the beach. If Grover primaries this assclown, I will not object.

      "If you're going to go down with the ship, make it a submarine." - Wayne Shorter

      by Oliver Tiger on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:33:57 PM PST

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      •  We know they lie (0+ / 0-)

        But we can hold their feet to their voting record fire.  
        Frequent contact with your representatives office gets their attention. Especially angry voters.

        This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom.” ― Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol

        by nolagrl on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:40:43 PM PST

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      •  I understand then your irritation, but (1+ / 0-)
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        Anonyman

        the fact (we are a reality based community blah blah blah)
        is he pledged for a different term in a different district. I think it IS reasonable to view the pledge (depending on how it was written-does it say "for ever more" "in my entire career"?) as per district or even per term. It is one way of looking at it...caveate being the wording of the pledge.

        He's a bit slippery in his communication, I do agree. And, I think the most irritating thing if I were an ex constituent for me would be not hearing why he Changed His Mind, in his communicatio.

        So we have two issues, Whether his prior oath to the pledge is valid, as he discusses and I do above. The other, the explanation you might feel lacking, is why he changed his mind (flip flopped if you will) on why the pledge was such a Fine idea...and why now he thinks it is not.If i were in your shoes and he' d been my rep, I might feel/want him Forced to explain why he 'changed his mind. WHy is the pledge bad now?

        THis isn't the same as why the pledge he took is not valid for his new district and term. I think it should be unconstitutional or against the oath of office they take to take another pledge beforehand as they all did anyway. It should be illegal or they should be kicked out of office it's kind of a small kind of treason or at least against their oath of office to have another pledge/oath supercede what they may do in Congress. Therefore I do not care, as other commenter said too, WHY they break their pledge...it was an illegal (or should be) oath in the first place, in my mind.

        Doesn' t mean he does not owe you an explanation why he felt it was so great then an not now on the idea of a pledge. I'd love to hear, if I were you for example, why he had made a "mistake" before and how he "saw the light".

      •  he did a disatisfying job (0+ / 0-)

        I would feel similarly but my happiness at any Reps withdrawl from pledge kinda trumps it. don't want them to experience any hard time about that right now, but maybe in future.  I viewed that pledge, which trumped their oath of office it seems to me, as illegal (or should be), anyway. It goes against oath of office to put the interest of the people first, at least.

        Jeff Fortenberry (NE-01) spoke to constituents on 8/8/11:
        "I did sign that pledge when I was first running" for the House in 2004, Fortenberry said. "I no longer sign any pledges." A pledge "restrains your ability to think creatively," he said, noting Norquist attempts to interpret and define what is considered a tax increase. "I informed the organization I don't consider (the earlier pledge) binding," Fortenberry said. "I don't care to be associated with it. It's too constraining.

        I like this Rep's explanation. In his case, seems like he's being more honest and he actually evolved (or is in political postion to tell it how he felt all along, at least).

        If I were an ex constituent I'd probably want my Rep to have to own up to what he did wrong before...ie I'd have that feeling. Yet don't want to hassel him for finally doing a more right thing.

    •  Naw. It's too good a lesson. (0+ / 0-)

      Ask them why they're so afraid of Grover.

      What do they think is going to happen if they blow it off?

      Slaves of the Grover!!!!!

      This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom.” ― Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol

      by nolagrl on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:47:41 PM PST

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  •  everyone who voted for the (17+ / 0-)

    temporary Bush tax cuts voted for a tax increase to be implemented 10 years later.  the media need to point this out

  •  from the way these GOPasaurs strain and wiggle (6+ / 0-)


    when it comes to Grover Norquist, you'd think he was Karl Rove.

    Wait... has anyone ever seen Grover Norquist and Karl Rove at the same time?

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:18:09 PM PST

  •  Well, there's a solution for you (8+ / 0-)

    Just renumber all the districts and let all the House members out of their promises.

    Renaming states is a little more difficult but I'm sure they are up to the task.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:18:10 PM PST

  •  Too funny. The rats can't get off the ship fast (3+ / 0-)
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    enough, can they?

    The world is not interested in the storms you encountered, but did you bring in the ship.

    by Hanging Up My Tusks on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:18:16 PM PST

  •  Or, you know, he could act like an adult (7+ / 0-)

    And just admit that he was stupid for signing the pledge in the 1st place.

    Or does this guy think it's actually a legally binding contract?

    Can we PLEASE have IQ tests for politicians?

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    by Guile Of The Gods on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:19:44 PM PST

  •  Does it work with tans? Mustaches? (1+ / 0-)
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    Erections?

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:20:03 PM PST

  •  I think it should apply to ... (1+ / 0-)
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    pgm 01

    exactly 47% of the new constituents.

  •  This is actually... (6+ / 0-)

    ... pretty damn brilliant.  If Norquist is going to make it a pledge to your specific district constituents, then a change of district does invalidate it (I bet he's a lawyer).

    Let's see who else has changed their district number because of redistricting, and get them to drop the pledge as well.

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    by Laughing Vergil on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:21:25 PM PST

  •  Looks to me that good ol' Grover (2+ / 0-)
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    is cruising for a major bit of butt-hurt.

    I love it.

  •  "The real question, (1+ / 0-)
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    though, will be whether Norquist buys it."

         Who cares what Grover buys?

  •  Would somebody please (1+ / 0-)
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    throw some water on Norquist so we can watch him melt?

    Or get some lawyer to declare that stupid pledge null and void, so they can just ignore it?

    Which, of course, they certainly could, if they weren't all chickenshits.

  •  The folks ... (1+ / 0-)
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    aren't exactly famous for their intellect.

    When one tries wrapping reality around one's beliefs instead of one's beliefs around reality, anything can be said and all meaning is lost. -- Ellis Barton at JoeMyGod

    by fritzrth on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:25:45 PM PST

  •  Any anti-pledge rational that causes Grover any... (0+ / 0-)

    shred of grief is A-ok with me.

     I'll love to see what happens 2 years from now though during the next election cycle. That will really show just how much sway Grover has over the GOP.

  •  It Does NOT Matter (4+ / 0-)

    Norquist will try to recruit a more radical, Club for Growth kind of teabagger to primary him out.  

    Get used to it Repubs.  The lunatic fringe you have empowered is now coming to engulf you! (Oh, and further minimize the Party of Lincoln).

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:27:42 PM PST

  •  oath to the constitution (1+ / 0-)
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    or oath to Grover Norquist

    and a pledge of what?  so Grover won't fund the other guy?  Republicans are lemmings, sign Grover's pledge or else...

  •  Gibson is a Pick Off Opportunity (4+ / 0-)

    Gibson is likely to support a stand-alone, no strings attached, extension of the tax cut for under $250,000, if pressed.  He is in an upstate NY swing district that was once won (twice) by now Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.  If he doesn't look like a moderate, he knows he could be toast in 2014.

    If President Obama is looking to pick off a handful of Republicans in the House to get this extension passed and free the middle-class hostages (as its beginning to appear might be his plan), Gibson would definitely be one that I would invite over to lunch at the White House.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:30:51 PM PST

    •  He won (4+ / 0-)
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      Rolfyboy6, singe, dufffbeer, pademocrat

      unfortunately easily this time, not sure just why -- opponent weak? or maybe district more Republican than it was? (I know the more Democratic area, and it can be pretty Republican sometimes).  Too bad Kirsten can't run in both the House and Senate, she'd bump him off, fast.

      •  .... (0+ / 0-)

        I know right? I cannot stand Gibson and like Kirsten.

      •  i live in the district. the dem campaign was weak (1+ / 0-)
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        LearningCurve

        and i bet the national party decided not to spend a lot of money here and focus on the district south of here where "nan" must have polled as more vulnerable, she got waxed. gibson is smart and slick and very right wing and well funded by the national party. he could be beat but it would take a national party focus and money.

        •  Yes, I'm in the same district, which was redrawn (1+ / 0-)
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          TheDuckManCometh

          I used to be in NY-24. Now have been redistricted into NY-19 with Gibson. This is essentially a moderate, rural, nobody's-too-mad-about-anything upstate NY region. It leans slightly Republican, but a good Dem candidate could win it. We had a weak candidate this time....I never even got a phone call from Schriebman's campaign, a request for money, anything. I ended up contributing through ActBlue to candidates in other states who actually were trying to win. And most of them won.

          If any place is still safe for moderate Republicans, it's here. You can't win in this district as a Tea-Party Republican, so Gibson has no worries about being primaried. I mean, some Tea Party type might try, but they wouldn't succeed.

          So Gibson will play this as a moderate. I am going to be calling him a lot to lobby for him to swing his votes toward compromise with Obama, but I hope we get a good candidate and vote him out in 2016.

          •  My experience different (0+ / 0-)

            I have a house up there, live in Brooklyn mostly, and have given to Gillibrand.  I got a number of personal calls, gave some money.  So my experience was, he was trying, but I'm not sure why it wasn't working.  

            Note some after-election polling that felt
            Schriebman did the most negative campaigning, but that's what I would have advised him to do.  So I don't know.

  •  The oath was to uphold the US Constitution and do (1+ / 0-)
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    ranton

    the work of the people.  All of them, not just the 1-3% that Grover buys congressmen to suck up to.

    Grover Norquist can rub salt in his ass. I'll provide ample salt.

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:32:24 PM PST

    •  I am beyond disgusted that THIS unelected man (1+ / 0-)
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      AllanTBG

      holds power over Congressmen who took an oath to the Constitution and "the people"...what chicken-shits!

      Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

      by ranton on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:18:12 PM PST

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  •  and I called kings and I had my fingers crossed (1+ / 0-)
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    Crashing Vor

    and I made finger quotation marks when I said the pledge and I said Not right at the end and I lied.

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:33:11 PM PST

  •  Norquist will almost certainly NOT buy it, (0+ / 0-)

    but the real question is whether or not his Republican constituents buy it. Norquist will abandon support for the guy, and the more radical Republicans in his district may try to mount a primary challenge from the right, so he only really needs to worry about convincing Republican primary voters in the next election. Perhaps by then the GOP will fully realize the folly of putting a pledge to the likes of Norquist in front of your oath of office.

  •  I think he's inspired by This Is Spinal Tap. (1+ / 0-)
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    Caelian

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:34:10 PM PST

  •  Who made Grover Norquist the supreme ruler (5+ / 0-)

    of the US of A? I never saw his name on a ballot nor do I recall a bloodless or bloody coup.

    I am so sick of so many being sooo patriotic (Oooh LOOK at the size of that flag pin!!) and sooo enamored of the Constitution (which apparently they never actually read, not unlike the way people bought but never read Steven Hawkings' book) yet they let things like this guy rule their party.

    Since when is a lobbyist the boss of us all? Is he wearing a ring of power?

    (no sig as yet ... trying to make one up that doesn't involve too much cursing)

  •  Strictly speaking, he's right (3+ / 0-)
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    Here's the pledge itself.  It is a pledge "to the taxpayers of the   __  district of the state of _____, and to the American people," and not to Mr. Norquist.

  •  Who cares if NOrquist buys it? (0+ / 0-)

    I mean how the hell did this guy get to be so powerful, having a muppet for a namesake and all?

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:38:06 PM PST

  •  If we hang tough, they'll crumble. (2+ / 0-)
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    All the signs are there.

  •  I think the country is about done believing the (1+ / 0-)
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    ranton

    tax cuts will fix everything and you don't tax the job creators lie.

  •  You used to have to go to Reno (0+ / 0-)

    for a quickie divorce...

    Pardon our dust. Sig line under renovation.

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:41:52 PM PST

  •  Sounds like the type of excuse a 12 year old would (2+ / 0-)
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    come up with. Perfectly fitting for a pledge written when Grover was 12.

    What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

    by kpelligra on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:43:37 PM PST

  •  Never mind his oath of office! (0+ / 0-)
    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

    --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

    by chipoliwog on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:48:31 PM PST

  •  Gibson And The Swing District GOP Winners (0+ / 0-)

    are key to this fiscal game of chicken. This is where an OFA type organization working in the "battleground" districts could do some good. Ideally the survival instinct will kick in and with pressure they will start joing with the Democratic minority so in the next two years actually see gridlock broken before we beat them in 2014.  Next scenario is we have gridlock, they stick with Boehner and we beat them in 2014. I have Gibson winning by 7%. There are 11 GOP winners with margins of less than 5%. I count 15 more including Gibson who won with margins between 5% and 9.9%.  26 all together. Collectively much less turf to fight for than the 9 battleround states in the Presidential.

  •  Quite amusing, but really, no more chutzpah (0+ / 0-)

    than the Grovemonster expecting that his pledge signers were "married" to him for life!

    America is a COUNTRY, not a CORPORATION. She doesn't need a CEO. Vote Obama.

    by manneckdesign on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:51:11 PM PST

  •  It is weak (2+ / 0-)
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    He could just stand up and declare that the pledge is dangerous and impedes democracy, but instead he goes the Republican route and looks for a loophole.  At least it is an indication of wanting to move forward which is better than the joining with the rest of the stupid trying to pull the nation backward.

  •  2nd Call To Be Nice To Grover! Please! (1+ / 0-)
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    He's pledges to find or support candidates who will run, in the GOP Primaries, against any "sinful" pledge signers.  That means there will be more right wing nuts like Akin, and Murdock running for office in the general.  The Dems won those 2 seats in clearly Red States (Indiana, and Missouri).  Leave Grover alone.  He is doing God's work, or the DCCC's.  Take your pick.

    There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

    by HarryParatestis on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:53:06 PM PST

  •  Norquist approves? No, not even by its own terms. (1+ / 0-)
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    TheDuckManCometh

    ATR expressly admits that the "pledge" is not made to ATR, but to the representative's constituents.  So Norquist has no standing to determine whether the pledge was breached.  Indeed, no pledge by a congressman is meaningfully enforceable except that his truth-telling or lies, his actions or inactions will be judged when he once again runs for office.

    Fact is, its just a piece of paper.  The suggestion that a pledge made to Grover Norquist is more morally binding to a candidate than a pledge actually made while running for office demonstrates how wrongheaded ATR is and has been.

    ATR would like to argue the pledge is binding forever, particularly  after the term of office in which the pledge was made and a candidate were reelected.  Junk. Unenforceable jibberish.

  •  I wouldn't want the blame (1+ / 0-)
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    The fiscal imaginary  "fiscal cliff" is one thing.

    Being married to Grover fucking Norquist and messing with Social Security and the rest of the safety-net, and then sending the real economy into a tailspin is a sure-fire way to piss of your constituents.

    No matter how stupid they were to vote for a Republican in the first place.

    They should probably just admit defeat, give Obama what he wants and focus on more important things.

    The "War on Christmas" for instance.

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:54:15 PM PST

  •  This is very funny... (3+ / 0-)

    but seriously, the pledge has effect only to the extent it is used as an enforcement tool by leaders within the Republican Party; if enough people defect, the pledge loses this power.  When John Boehner says Grover Norquist is some random guy, I take him at his word.  Boehner, not Norquist, has the power to enforce a hard anti-tax position among House Republicans.  Norquist can threaten to primary violators of the pledge, but beyond getting people to sign the pledge and getting things named after Ronald Reagan, there is very little evidence that Norquist himself has any power to wield.  I know Norquist has this fantasy that G.H.W. Bush didn't get re-elected because he raised taxes, but the economy was still in the sh*tter in 1992 and (just like nearly every year) taxes weren't a leading concern among the electorate.  ATR has joined with tea partiers in backing some recent insurgents, like Joe Mourdock (!).  If you want to hang your hat on that, go for it.  But I'm at a loss when it comes to thinking of any incumbents Norquist has played a leading role in taking down.  Once people start to repudiate the pledge en masse, we're in uncharted territory.

  •  A crack in the ice (0+ / 0-)

    a chink in the armor

    hopefully it will add up to rich a$$holes paying more in taxes.

    Medicine is not health care; Food is health care; Medicine is sick care. Grow foods, not lawns.

    by jackandjill on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:56:43 PM PST

  •  Blah (0+ / 0-)

    I cannot stand Chris Gibson, sucks he was re-elected.

  •  Thei reminds me of a story from WWII (1+ / 0-)
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    In a desperate fight on a Pacific Island defended by the Japanese with pill boxes and tunnels the Marines were having a terrible fight until they got to the last pillbox.  The Japanese soldier inside surrendered.  
    "They told us to fight to the last man" said the soldier.  "Why did you surrender?"said the Marines.
    "I WAS the last man!"

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:00:32 PM PST

  •  gibson is my congress critter. right wing zealot (1+ / 0-)
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    to the core but quite bright with a phd from cornell and a respected military record. he was well financed by the national repug tools and kept a safe distance from romney and the real agenda of the party during the campaign. he had his elderly mom on the tube swearing he would never hurt social security etc. he ran against a guy who was part of maurice hinchey,s  machine but who did not seem to have much national party support....too bad because with a better campaign gibson could have been beat is my guess. just south of here the cretin tea partier "nan" was ousted by maloney. anyhow gibson is being cute and probably knows that the district he represents is much more left than he is and that if he wants to put roots down here being against medicare, medicaid and social security won't fly. but his world view is pro wealthy (i confronted him about how little taxes the wealthy pay at a town hall meeting and his response was the old bromide about how 1% paid 40% if  the taxes and so on). the democratic party should pick a stronger candidate and run at him hard in 2014 and he can be beat.

  •  Lawrence had an interesting (2+ / 0-)
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    segment last night. Assuming i understood correctly, the jist of it was that Boehner was actually looking for just enough repubs to break rank and vote yes on the senate bill that leaves tax cuts in place for everyone but the 2%r's. Ideal repubs for this mission might include ones in long held districts as well as in swing districts. Basically, anyone who probably does not have to be worried about being "Grovered" from the right in the next primary. If he can get just enough yes votes then he can appear to hold together the caucus without losing to much credibility, the deal gets done and the whole problem just goes away.

    Does this sound logical? I dunna know. Lawrence seems like a pretty sharp guy, but does anything sound logical coming out of this crap casserole.

    •  Sounds more than reasonable to me (0+ / 0-)

      Boehner is not a Teahadist; he's a regular ol' union-busting, cheap-labor, anti-regulation corporatist. I may of course be wrong but I think privatization and pro-businesspolicy are FAR more important to him than marriage equality, contraception, blurring the lines between church and state, fammmly values, etc.; and he recognizes the business advantages of a sane immigration policy, federal investment in infrastructure, and other supposedly "liberal" causes. I'm in the minority here, and Maddow disagrees as well, but I still think the next 4 years will be a pitched battle of the GOP socially liberal Biz Wing vs. the angry-racist-white-guy Nut Wing.

      Much popcorn shall be consumed!

      YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

      by raincrow on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 03:02:52 PM PST

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  •  Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN) sez pledge no longer (1+ / 0-)
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    applies to him because he signed it as "a member of the Minnesota Legislature, not as a member of Congress."

    Rep. John Kline (R-MN) sez pledge he took may not apply to him because the pledge to never-ever-ever raise taxes is now "open to interpretation."

    Outgoing Tea Party fave Rep. Chip Cravaack (R-MN) also sez he'd break the pledge, via "closing special interest loopholes" (ie, raising taxes.)

    Sent these in, just in case you're making a list, and checking it twice...

    http://www.startribune.com/...

    Co-author of the first political biography of Michele Bachmann: Michele Bachmann's America

    by Bill Prendergast on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:36:37 PM PST

  •  "Anti-tax zealot?" (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks. I was looking for a descriptor for "Grover" that didn't include "asshole."

    I'll take it under consideration.

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:39:08 PM PST

  •  What a bunch of children (0+ / 0-)

    I simply cannot imagine (a) signing such a pledge, or (b) feeling bound by such a pledge, even if I'd signed it, when it becomes destructive.

    That any of these people feel the need to make excuses instead of simply saying, "It no longer serves my constituents or the nation," just boggles my mind.

    Ptah!

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:47:09 PM PST

  •  I really wish (0+ / 0-)

    ...these guys would just man up and tell Grover where to go and how he can get there fastest. The so-called "pledge" really means nothing because Grover is nothing but a lobbyist with no official status. Why are they so afraid of him? There is essentially nothing he can do to them, especially now.

    Actually, I think all the people who signed that pledge should be charged with treason for pledging allegiance to something other than their country and Constitution, but that's just me.

    Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

    by Jilly W on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:48:51 PM PST

  •  Gotta get these goofs out of government (0+ / 0-)

    www.Represent.Us

  •  actually, that's not a lame excuse at all (0+ / 0-)

    As a government worker, I'd have to say that shows a high degree of competence.

  •  Somebody Moved Norquists Cheese-again--lol n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Hey Grover!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Get a shave, and get a real job.

    I knew she was the gal for me as soon as she laid her eyes on me. Right on me shoulder, she did. Popped the buggers right out her head, and laid em on me shoulder. She's a sweet heart, that gal.

    by glb3 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:47:34 PM PST

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