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Bruce Bartlett is a born-again Reaganite who has seen the light at least as to the need to raise taxes.  Yesterday, he was on "Up, with Chris Hayes" (a must-see -- without doubt the smartest show on TV).  One of the guests was Veronique de Rugy, one of the stable of right wing shills teaching at George Mason University.  After she tried to argue against the need for a tax increase, Bartlett had had enough: "Your ideas are so goddamn dogmatic," he said and continued:  

You're living in a fantasy world where you're going to balance the budget by abolishing medicare and other ludicrous ideas.
To see the most colorful exchanges, go to about 4:00 of the video, but the whole thing is worth watching.  Also, I was very impressed with Governor Malloy of CT, another panel member.

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Note:  Bartlett still says he's a conservative and thought that the GOP could somehow get African-American voters by reminding them of Dems pre-1964 racism.  Well, nobody's perfect.

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  •  Bartlett was right on... (13+ / 0-)

    And I must say, one can learn more about what's going on in Washington watching Chris Hayes' show for two hours on weekend mornings than watching all other cable news shows nonstop for a month.

    It's the most intelligent show on the tv machine... bar none.

    "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

    by markthshark on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:34:44 AM PST

    •  Yup. (4+ / 0-)
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      I don't have time to watch all of it on the weekend so I watch it in pieces all week.

      Hayes is brilliant and respectful (he'd never do what Bartlett did.)  Did you see his exchanges with Ed Conrad, the Bain partner?  They're 180 apart, but the discussion was excellent and enlightening.

      And frequent guest Josh Barro is the only and best example of a thoughtful conservative I've seen (sorry, Sullivan.  He's smarter.)

      But where's Alex Goldstein, (the Occupy the SEC woman) lately?  Very smart and (risking sexism?) cute.

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:50:56 AM PST

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      •  His show format is an example of what cable... (4+ / 0-)

        news should be all the time.

        And you're right, Hayes would never talk to a guest like Bartlett did on Saturday's show.

        (But I sure enjoyed the look on that woman's face. lol)

        "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

        by markthshark on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:15:23 AM PST

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        •  I don't even know the point she was making (3+ / 0-)
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          something about you have to cut spending now because otherwise you'll have to raise taxes later, but you can't raise taxes now?

          It was gobbledygook.

          Unlike Conrad, who at least is coherent, even though it's just one basic argument -- US low tax policies have coincided with the US having twice the growth rate of Europe and Japan over 25 years.

          Interestingly, I didn't hear great responses to that from Hayes or the others, except that Clinton raised taxes and the economy boomed in the '90s.

          I'd like to see a more substantive rebuttal, which I think would be something like what good is growth if it hasn't resulted in higher living standards for most of the people in the country.  But there must be other more detailed factors involved to rebut Conrad.  (like from Prof. Krugman).

          The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

          by Upper West on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:51:36 AM PST

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      •  Is it necessarily sexist to acknowledge (1+ / 0-)
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        that a woman is attractive?
        Who's bright idea was that?

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:16:32 AM PST

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    •  Those four hours over the course (4+ / 0-)
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      of two days are much better than all the cable news and Sunday Talk Shows (TRMS, excepted) combined.

      Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

      by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:26:35 AM PST

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    •  UP and MHP are vastly better than (1+ / 0-)
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      regular cable news shows.

      they have much more in depth coverage of issues that are mostly ignored by media.

      only weekday show i can think of that is even close is maddow, but that is much more about little political things.

  •  Bartlett's truth-speaking was truly awesome! (2+ / 0-)
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    The woman he called out is Veronique de Rugy of the Mercatus Center at George Mason U. in N. Virginia, a "think" tank, a veritable hotbed of conservative (dare I use the term?) thought. She sounded as if someone had stuck a thumb drive in her ear and clicked on the standard reich-wing propaganda file. Pitiful.
    I saw it as it happened and burst into several "huzzahs!" Maybe Chris Hayes invited her on to serve as a piƱata?
    The Mercatus Center was founded in the late 1970's at Rutgers as The Center for Market Processes with massive funding from...are ya ready?...Charles G. Koch and Koch Family Foundation. It moved to G. Mason in the early '80's.

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