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we can bring them out of the shadow economy and into the real economy.
We could give them the carrot of being able to join our Social Security if they pay into it for a certain number of years AND become US citizens. We could also attach important strings to make up for them not coming through the legal immigration system in the first place.

We could also make it so they could not work here and then retire in another country so most of that Social Security would stay in our country. Say that they had to stay in this country at least 7 months out of the year once they retired and we would issue it via a debit account that could only be in a US bank and it's US bank branches. Now if they wanted to rent a place here, pick up their mail at that location and then after getting the cash send some overseas that would be fine. We cannot stop all of the funds all the time, just make it hard enough that most will follow along. We would send them regular mail that could not be forwarded and would stop payments if they did not sign and return the forms sent. Also we could change the code they have to give the bank via letter so had to get their mail and read it to get their money. We would have to set up a system so if there were a mistake made it could be corrected fast of course.

When they first come out of the shadow and admitted they were here illegally there would be strict requirements they would need to go through like, learn to speak fluent English and then go through the requirements legal immigrants go through. We could make the time it would take to get citizenship shorter if they would serve in the US military but they could not have any type of security clearance or access to secure information until after they had become a US citizen and passed the standard required background and security checks.

We could also require some amount of volunteer community service before they could become a citizen so they understand how we in America help each other. That way Americans who are against making them citizens would be more inclined to accept this way of solving the problem. We could let faith based charity service count so churches and religious organizations could become a help, not be against the plan. Things like working with the YWCA, Salvation Army, Knights of Columbus, YMCA, Shriners, The Job Corp etc. This is just an example list and many more would be included. They would have to be doing work outside the organization not inside. For example a church couldn't hire them as a Gardner but could let them work in soup kitchen for the poor.  Also organizations couldn't just help this group but for example if they had a community outreach that helped the homeless only some of the people helping could be the aliens in the program.

Companies could also participate by letting their employees in the program work at a registered charity for a few hours a week instead of their job while being paid by their company. The company would get a tax break maybe or something that would make it a thing companies would want to do. Maybe the people would be allowed to wear cloths with that companies advertizing on it for example.

We would also make sure it was easier to be in a country and apply for entry with a route to citizenship than sneaking in and declaring you are here. Also if someone is here illegally and gets caught they wouldn't be allowed to use this method to get citizenship so that would be another way to get people to come forward.  

I'm sure I've not even touched the surface about ways to make this work for everyone. I welcome your input and ideas.

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  •  This might not solve the whole issue but... (1+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster

    it is my idea of how to start to solve a problem and this solves to issues. Social Security running out of money and Illegal aliens using the underground economy not the legal one we all benefit from.

    Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them “bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.” webofdebt

    by arealniceguy on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:09:23 PM PST

  •  Aliens? MiB already has a program for them. (6+ / 0-)

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:25:48 PM PST

  •  Dude - wow! That is some big brother right there! (7+ / 0-)
    We could also make it so they could not work here and then retire in another country so most of that Social Security would stay in our country. Say that they had to stay in this country at least 7 months out of the year once they retired and we would issue it via a debit account that could only be in a US bank and it's US bank branches. Now if they wanted to rent a place here, pick up their mail at that location and then after getting the cash send some overseas that would be fine. We cannot stop all of the funds all the time, just make it hard enough that most will follow along. We would send them regular mail that could not be forwarded and would stop payments if they did not sign and return the forms sent. Also we could change the code they have to give the bank via letter so had to get their mail and read it to get their money.
    I think I just want to see a path to citizenship. And more importantly, huge sanctions on employers that hire illegals. That IMHO is our major problem. Labor exploitation.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:33:05 PM PST

    •  I have to agree with you that the biggest part (0+ / 0-)

      of the problem is people that hire illegal workers. Not just the lawn guy who picks up two workers at a street location where illegal workers hang out but big time companies that hire them knowing they are not legal.

      A friend pointed out that  people who have spent most of their working lives in the US are not likely to rush to live in a backward Asian fishing villiage or dirt poor Latin American farm villiage so maybe the restrictions in that aspect might cost more than they earn back. But I still think finding a way to bring them into the mainstream economy is a much better option for all of us than the status quo and being able to have them tax paying, social security paying citizens is worth the effort and a benefit to us all.

      Now they are being exploited and mistreated. It is not really the aliens fault as much as the people and companies that hire them at low wages instead of paying standard wages to non illegals.

      Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them “bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.” webofdebt

      by arealniceguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 12:16:19 AM PST

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  •  I thought there were already a lot of undocumented (5+ / 0-)

    workers using wrong numbers and putting in to social security--money they will never take out. I'm sorry I don't remember where I read the numbers. Also, I sure get nervous when the term "fluent English" is used. I sure hope that you don't mean native-English speaker fluency.

  •  I'm married to an immigrant (7+ / 0-)

    No way in heck is anyone going to tell him (or me) that we have to remain in the US once we retire. Sorry

  •  Um, I don't think so... n/t (4+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:42:48 PM PST

  •  So many wing-nut talking points... (10+ / 0-)

    so little time.

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    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:18:21 PM PST

  •  Yeah, let's put some restrictions on what (5+ / 0-)

    immigrants can do decades after they become citizens. What can be possibly wrong with that? Have you also considered requiring indentured servitude? I also like 'how we in America help each other out'. It reaches the heights of condescension I considered unreachable.

  •  Idea: let's just make it so hard on "them"... (7+ / 0-)

    ...that they'll leave on their own. As you said, " just make it hard enough". I call my plan "self-deportation", and I'm frankly surprised no one has come up with it before. It's such a perfec...wait...what?...oh...oh, really?...oh, I see.

    Nevermind, then.

    P.S. -- if "volunteer community service" is "required", it's no longer considered voluntary.

    Cogito. Ergo sum ​​atheus.

    by Neapolitan on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:09:50 AM PST

  •  There was once info on Federal website (4+ / 0-)

    A report at end of Clinton's term said that if a quarter of the people now working "under the table" in this country paid social security, the demographic problem of the system would be solved for the century. That info disappeared a month into the Bush presidency. (GOP bosses don't want to pay their half of the FICA on those folks.)

    People argue that a lot of undocumented folks are already paying under someone else's name. That may be true in a fraction of the cases, but that "someone else" reaches the cap sooner and so it doesn't help much. Putting younger workers into the system legally helps both sides.

    •  No, it doesn't work like that. (1+ / 0-)
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      FrugalGranny
      People argue that a lot of undocumented folks are already paying under someone else's name. That may be true in a fraction of the cases, but that "someone else" reaches the cap sooner and so it doesn't help much.
      If the name and number don't match, the earnings with the wrong name aren't credited at all.  And if the undocumented person is working using a correct name and number combination, the person who really holds that number gets a letter from IRS asking why they didn't report the other job on his/her tax return.  Then the "real" person has to tell Infernal Revenue and Social Security that the other job isn't his/hers, and the second job gets decredited.  

      Renewable energy brings national global security.     

      by Calamity Jean on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:43:47 AM PST

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      •  Bush admistration prohibited... (0+ / 0-)

        ...cross checking. You could enter 000-000-0000 and get away with it. And prohibited prosecution for failure to declare these "bogus" earnings.

        I really don't know what they do now, but e-verify is voluntary.

        I am currently in South Florida, and can personally attest that half the lawn guys and a third of the contractors only work for cash. The real winner: Western Union and other companies that transfer that cash to Latin American companies "for a small fee."

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