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We need to talk about this issue before any deal is struck by the White House and let them know how we feel about it. David Johnston makes really good points in the video on why we should be calling the White House on this one!

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I don't claim to know all the facts but David Johnston seems to make some really cogent points about the issue, but the GOP and the White House have both been discussing raising the age for Medicare.

The problem is that this strategy offers minimal savings to the government, but doubles the health care costs to seniors between the ages of 65 and 67 who will have to buy it from private insurance companies.

It seems to me that if you want to reduce Medicare costs you should actually drop the age lower so more younger people,who are healthier and have fewer illnesses can pay into the fund.

That is how insurance pools stay solvent, by spreading the risks... not narrowing them to the very old and sick.

Any one who wishes to weigh in on the issue with useful information... please do!!!


Raise the Age on Medicare?

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  •  The age restriction should be removed. (5+ / 0-)

    There is no correlation between age and medical need to deal with injury and disease. So, the age restriction is discriminatory treatment on its face.
    Segregating people by age is just a sop to the segregationist impulse, which is, in turn, response to the desire for a social hierarchy that exists "naturally" -- i.e. not in consequence of a person's aptitudes and achievements.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:53:46 PM PST

    •  I think this is why we have medicaid (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe you are suggesting that we do away with this.

      •  Medical care ought not to be allocated on the (1+ / 0-)
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        patient's ability to pay, either.

        Medical care is a disutility in the sense that the recipient would generally prefer not to have it, but needs it.  Since it is not something people positively want, it is particularly appropriate to be delivered by our public corporations. Also, with a disutility, the relationship between success and use is inverse.  That is, the more successful the good or service, the less the need for it to be repeated. Thus, disutilities are particularly inappropriate for the market, which relies on repeat custom.

        The term "health care," while it is appropriate to marketing, is unfortunate in that it creates a false impression. Healthy people do not need care. Illness is not a given. Neither is injury. However, in case care  is needed, we want it to be there and it makes sense for all of us to make provision.

        Disutilities are particularly susceptible to economies of scale.  When we privatize, we lose that advantage.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 02:40:28 PM PST

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        •  But it is health care when it is for prevention (0+ / 0-)

          and maintenance. You take vitamins. eat well and exercise to be healthy or to become healthy.  There needs to be a priority in keeping someone healthy or to push someone toward a more healthy being.  People want this type of care and healthy people want to stay healthy.

      •  What are the fees for Medicaid? (1+ / 0-)
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        S F Hippie

        Isn't that for the poor who can't pay the standard Medicare fees?

        Medicare isn't free ya know.

      •  Medicaid funds are disappearing in the states (1+ / 0-)
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        thanks to GOP governors.

  •  We need to stay vigilant, but (3+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, The grouch, fumie

    it occurred to me today that the president might be less willing to compromise on this now than he was in 2011. For one thing, he has a stronger hand now. Second, I realized that July 2011 was before the Supreme Court ruling that states could reject the Medicaid expansion, and before so many GOP governors opted out of the exchanges. So it is very possible that President Obama and Democrats on the Hill are less open to raising the age now that it is apparent that the ACA would not provide an alternative outlet of coverage for everyone ages 65-67.

    Plus, if the GOP tries to f*ck with the debt ceiling again he can theoretically just say "you guys are the ones who have to run for re-election." I know it's not really that simple, but it is a card he didn't have before.

    That said, we need to keep up the public pressure on him and on Congress not to raise the age.

    •  A Debt Ceiling Chip? (0+ / 0-)

      Some have suggested that it will be used as a chip to prevent a debt ceiling debate later.

    •  Yes, definitely need to keep up the public (0+ / 0-)


      Raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 is "something that's been floated," Obama said, not dismissing the idea outright.
    •  Obviously you haven't been paying attention. (1+ / 0-)
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      the Catfood commission was originated by Obama.  the Commission could not get enough votes to pass their recommendations so the commission was dissolved.  But Obama wanted those recomendations.  thus we had about 4 more gangs of 6, 4, etc.  

      obama could have taken the Big 3 - Medicare, Medicaid, SS off the table but he has not.  He will raise the age for Medicare.

      this infuriates me.  i have my medicare but I have recently lost about 5 people who have all died at 66 or just 67 in the last year.  They had no insurance until they got Medicare but by that time they were too sick and most died of heart attacks.

      We need to write to the White House.  go to and make a comment.  The prompts are on the top right hand side.

      Then tomorrow call the White House at 1-202-456-1111.

      Looks like we will be giving up the Medicare age for two (2) lousy percentage points for the top 2%.  They will go from 35% to 37%.  It isn't even good if it had gone to 39.5% like it was during Clinton.

      Obama will give away the store.  Listen to David K. Johnson.  Very knowledgeable.

      •  I have been paying attention... (2+ / 0-)
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        democrattotheend, marty marty

        That is why I created this diary.

        In the last 16 months I have lost 16 family members ages; 63, 65, 78, 89, and 90.

        The 63 year old couldn't get healthcare insurance, The 65 year old had a heart attack while she was in the ER and spent five weeks on life support (bill before Medicare stepped in was $400,000), the older ones went faster.

        End of life care is essential from Medicare and as you pointed out the people in the 60 to 67 year bracket are particularly vulnerable and need access to prevent catastrophic illnesses with early detection and treatment.

        That is one of the reasons that Canadians have a longer life expectancy than Americans because they do more early testing than we do. That is one very good thing about Obamacare... it now provides free diagnostic testing for seniors.

  •  I called my (Dem) senators and emailed them. (1+ / 0-)
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    marty marty

    I called the White House and emailed the President.

    I'm about to send emails to my congressional representative. He may not have a lot of direct input, but he can certainly chime in.

    Then I'm going to contact every candidate that I gave money to. I worked hard to put progressives in office.  They should not take it for granted that that support will be there next time if they can't support something as fundamental as Medicare.

    © grover

    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 03:52:44 PM PST

  •  We need to tell Obama to take away the (0+ / 0-)

    the subsidy "entitlement" that goes to big corporations; the subsidy "entitlement" that goes to oil, natural gas and coal, the subsity "entitlement" that goes to large corporate farms, etc.

    don't take away the age eligibility for Seniors. The solution for Medicare is Medicare for all and give Medicare D the same ability to negotiate for lower prices - just like the military has.

    Don't just make the top 2% only pay 2% more (37%).  that is immoral.  We want the 39.5% for all over $250,000.  The top 2%  MUST pay their fair share.

    Obama used the rhetoric of OWS during the campaign....he should be able to negotiate as well as the OWS and stand firm.  Make him live by his rhetoric!

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