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Michigan state capitol at night
Beautiful building, but recently the site of several injuries to democracy.
In November, Michigan voters repealed Public Act 4, the state's notoriously antidemocratic emergency manager law. On Wednesday, in the legislature's mad rush to get every horrible thing it can passed during the lame duck session, the House passed a new version of the same damn thing and sent it to the Senate, which is expected to pass it and send it to Gov. Rick Snyder to be signed (back) into law.

The new bill ostensibly includes changes to address problems with the original, like giving local elected officials a tiny bit more input in what happens to their cities and towns. But the real difference may be that Republicans attached an appropriation to this bill so that it won't be subject to referendum.

Michigan Republicans have an ... interesting relationship with ballot measures their state's voters voted on in November. One of the big lines Republicans are trying to sell to explain why they decided to attack unions during the lame duck session is that it's retribution for unions putting a collective bargaining measure on the ballot in November. Republicans just had to weaken unions because unions had the temerity to try to strengthen themselves, or something. Never mind that this is contradicted by the fact that some Republicans in the legislature, and of course a bunch of big donors and far-right think tanks, had been working on their anti-union bill since well before the collective bargaining ballot measure was proposed. Never mind that the timing is obvious: pushing such a divisive law before the election would have had repercussions for Republicans in November, and with the state House gaining Democrats come January, it was now or never. No, we're supposed to believe that a failed ballot measure forced their hand. But at the same time, we're supposed to believe that the successful ballot measure repealing Public Act 4 was also a legitimate reason to pass virtually the same law, with some cosmetic changes and an appropriation.

In other words, to Michigan Republicans, democracy is just something to override, evade, or blame.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:33 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  If voters said no but the republicans go ahead (8+ / 0-)

    with the act...

    we didn't give our consent
    it's not consensual...

    it's... that 4 letter r word that Republicans love to use !

    (apologies to victims of said heinous 4 letter word)

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:38:34 AM PST

    •  Real? (3+ / 0-)
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      surfbird007, toddalert, machka

      Because, c'mon, this is nothing like rape.

      If Michigan's elected representatives are not serving the obvious interests of the constituent, they certainly should not be re-elected, and a recall attempt could certainly be made.

      This is like having a bad employee. Termination seems like the best move.

      Obviously you knew that you were way over the top- Hence the apology.

      So why say it at all?

      •  the problem here... (0+ / 0-)

        is that these reps were ousted on Election day so since they don't have another two years to try and force it through painfully, they waited till the lame duck. What you have here is lawmakers that were put out of office forcing through laws that they know the people don't want because they have no responsibility to them and it's a final F you on their way out the door. IMHO, they shouldn't be allowed to put something like this through when they've been soundly defeated and they know they can't get it through after Jan 1.

        •  Actually..... (1+ / 0-)
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          AoT

          They are still in power next year and the following year. Yes, some of them are going and there aren't quite as many, but they still have a majority in both houses and teh gov is still "the nerd".  Let's face it, after 8 years of a failed Granholm admin and her crappy job as governor, we are happy to put up with it for a better Michigan in the future.

    •  This is what the GOP looks like (7+ / 0-)

      when they say "fuck you" to the people.  

      They're rushing all their ALEC bills through in the lame duck and have already had this paticular piece of crapola defeated at the ballot box.  

      This is who the GOP is and how they operate.  Keep on digging, Republicans.  You'll be in China soon.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:49:24 AM PST

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      •  I agree. (3+ / 0-)
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        AoT, Puddytat, Sarenth

        But laws are not self enforcing.  Prosecutors must bring actions.  A nice round of prosecutorial discretion not bringing actions (for as long as it might take for the new legislature to undo what has just been done) may be just what the doctor ordered to effectuate a little "nullification."

  •  Spot on. (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the post.

    "I'm gonna dance between the raindrops"

    by IB JOHN on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:41:58 AM PST

  •  Democracy is Something to Crush. (21+ / 0-)

    That is the national plan, it's been the plan for half a century.

    But since the entire sky doesn't fall all the way down all at once by any of these moves, for most of a lifetime those who've been pointing this out have been dismissed as chicken littles.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:46:55 AM PST

  •  Why do they hate America? (4+ / 0-)
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    luckydog, Mentatmark, BlueDragon, Sarenth

    Can't they go back where they came from?

  •  2010 is going to carry... (3+ / 0-)
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    eps62, Mentatmark, Aquarius40

    huge consequences for many cycles to come...the current districts, federal and state, won't change until the 2022 election.

    Millions and millions of people that voted Democratic in 2008 either switched to the GOP or didn't vote at all in 2010. This is the result. There's no way to know who is in that group, but whoever is (and again, we're talking an 8-digit number of people, I just can't muster up much sympathy for.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:35:27 AM PST

    •  Dems & the WH are partly responsible for that (7+ / 0-)

      For refusing to play hardball, chasing bipartisan ponies, abandoning the 50 state strategy, disbanding OFA, focusing on the wrong issues, in policy and messaging, and making the 2010 election about process, not policy.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:40:58 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  if anyone has to be... (5+ / 0-)

        enticed or invited to vote, then this is what they get. It's akin to starving yourself because no one offered to fix you dinner or invited you to a restaurant.

        The "wrong issues" is always going to be an arbitrary construct...wrong by whose reckoning?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:44:29 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Agree. Republicans don't have to be wooed into (6+ / 0-)

          voting.  They will crawl over broken glass to defeat Democrats, even voting time and again against their economic and personal self interest for the perverse need to have their social prejudices reinforced.  Unless the rest of us want to be under the boot of the GOP agenda, we better wake up and pay attention to what has happened in Michigan, soon to be repeated in another blue state ruled by a red party.

          “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

          by ahumbleopinion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:51:44 AM PST

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          •  Yes, republicans do (1+ / 0-)
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            Sarenth

            They have a party that obviously and substantially advances what they say they will advance.  The republicans did exactly what they said they would in regards to obstruction, etc.  When you look around and see the GOP agenda winning despite the fact that the Democrats are winning most of the elections and then blame people for not voting you're pointing your finger at the wrong place.  People vote when they see it having a real effect, and when they see it not have an effect then they don't.

            In 2010 people saw that virtually nothing had been done to rein in banks despite a massive Democratic majority and they thought, "why bother," what's the point in voting for a party that doesn't make significant progress with a near supermajority?

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:09:00 AM PST

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      •  hardball, as in... (1+ / 0-)
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        Aquarius40

        what the GOP is doing now?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:55:08 AM PST

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        •  As in not caving to appeal to imaginary (3+ / 0-)
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          AoT, Anorish, Sarenth

          centrists who supposedly get the vapors whenever Dems stand firm, yet who voted en masse for Repubs anyway even after Obama caved.

          I got no one's back who doesn't have mine.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:09:34 AM PST

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          •  centrists... (1+ / 0-)
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            DSPS owl

            aren't imaginary, and most Americans (especially centrists) don't like endless hardball, they like governance.

            "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

            by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:49:11 AM PST

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            •  Apparently, not, seems most American's are (2+ / 0-)
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              soundchaser, Sarenth

              happy to vote against their own interests.

              Most Americans could care less about "governance" and could care less if the President and Mr. Tan Man agree on anything.

              Most Americans want a decent job, clean water, edible food, safe streets, and someday be able to retire.  

              The fact that most Americans can't seem to figure out that voting for Republicans means a crappy job, frack-chem filled water, e-coli in the food, crazed gunmen in the mall, and you'll never be able to retire, gives me pain every day.

            •  Yeah, that strategy really worked... (1+ / 0-)
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              AoT

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:34:50 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  True (1+ / 0-)
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        DSPS owl

        They were too naive in thinking the GOP wouldn't wage it's attack on them by taking over state governments in key swing states and going after Dem assets while gerrymandering them out of a Congressional majority.

        I hope they realize it now and I hope they have a plan.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02:38 AM PST

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      •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        sydneyluv

        Voters are responsible for this. If you don't vote then to the winners go the spoils. Unfortunately this is the mess America voted for and we are going to pay that price for a decade.

  •  This just proves that Democracy is a farce. (0+ / 0-)

    Voting is a big waste of time. Change only comes by revolution.

    •  It proves that they think they can get away with (3+ / 0-)
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      eps62, Dancing Frog, dewtx

      this by changing the name of the bill.

      •  They will get away with it (1+ / 0-)
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        rosarugosa

        And I'm not sure why you think they won't.  They got away with it on the union bill.  And the abortion bills.  And this bill.  And it will be at the very least 2 years before it can be changed, if then.  And the damage will be done.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:12:52 AM PST

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        •  I think so too, I just wouldn't go so far as to (0+ / 0-)

          say that democracy is a farce, although... will there be any pushback on this?

          •  people got what they voted for (0+ / 0-)

            or sat out against.

            Republicans are using the process of democracy to get what they want.  Democrats could have voted in 2010, no one told them to sit out.  republicans are still the duely elected officials through the end of this year and they are using it to their advantage.
            are they jag-offs violating the spirit of the voters, YES, but is demoracy a farce in the way you imply, NO

            •  No they didn't (3+ / 0-)
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              Four of Nine, sydneyluv, Sarenth

              And maybe if you listened to what people are actually complaining about you'd realize that.  No one fucking prosecuted bankers in any real sense, and in fact the president himself claimed that they had done nothing illegal.  If you think that had no effect on turnout in 2010 then you're an idiot.  If your version of democracy includes no parties that will actually do what the majority of people want them to do then it is a farce.  It's completely obvious to me that asking for people to vote more for a party that ignores what a majority of the country, not to mention members of the party, wants is a losing goal.

              I'll say it again: If you want people to get out and vote then you have to get the party to not be full of people who coddle the filthy rich.

              Democrats could have voted in 2010, no one told them to sit out.
              Actually, the party told them that they didn't give a shit what the members of the party want and will do whatever they want.  Unlike the GOP, which busts its ass all the time to get out and do what their party wants.

              Instead the Dems are fucking whining about being centrist.  It's a joke and it's what leads us to problems like what's happening in MI.

              The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:09:04 PM PST

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              •  please proceed to....sit out again (0+ / 0-)

                yeah, democrats do the centrist thing... so yeah voters should continue to sit out... brilliant idea... so instead of getting 60-70% of what you want, the republicans give -200% because seriously this emergncy managers thing is a quite horrible.  

                but if democrats need to be be 100% of everything they want to come out to vote, then don't be surprised if shit like this happens

                --
                and the bankers didnt do anything overtly illegal.  you cant prosecute unless there is a violation of the law.  the laws have been lax for a long time.  

                --

                •  I'm glad you accuse me of sitting it out (1+ / 0-)
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                  Sarenth

                  because I didn't.  Of course, you're clearly more interested in being right than actually effecting change.

                  but if democrats need to be be 100% of everything they want to come out to vote, then don't be surprised if shit like this happens
                  Yeah, wanting prosecutions and effective regulation after the biggest financial crash, due largely to fraud, in generations is totally fucking purist.  So much so that the vast, vast majority of the country would support prosecutions an effective regulation.  The Dems didn't do anything substantial on that or on global warming(which only effects the whole fucking future and could kill millions), and you want to pretend like it's my fault for pointing out that the dems did shit on these things with a massive majority.  Why would people turn out for a party that doesn't seem to give a shit about the most important issues?  No, keep on blaming the people pointing out the problem, that's the best way to increase turnout.
                  and the bankers didnt do anything overtly illegal.  you cant prosecute unless there is a violation of the law.  the laws have been lax for a long time.  
                  Absolute bullshit.  There was massive amounts of fraud that was never prosecuted.  Goldman Sachs lied to investors about the CDSs they sold.  They knew they were full of shit.  THAT'S FRAUD!  Fuck, this isn't hard.

                  The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                  by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:16:44 PM PST

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                  •  not everyone sat out (0+ / 0-)

                    alot of democrats came to vote in Illinois and we dont have emergency managers bills or other stupid crap like this (although we have to deal with teh idiocy of quinn).

                    better to have democrats come out and get elected, becuase even if democrat leaning politicians get elected and do nothing, it is better than a republican doing something.

  •  The Emperor Snyder (1+ / 0-)
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    dewtx

    Who's going get your back when it's your time to get the boot?

    No one.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:38:50 AM PST

  •  Law Suits Need to Be Filed (8+ / 0-)

    Immediately.  This is fascism being practiced here.  Not the will of the people, the will of the voters.

  •  They've had these bills ready to go ... (10+ / 0-)

    ... for months now ... Snyder is a liar about that in the case of RTW. It's not as if they had to devote staff time to working on them; they're provided by ALEC.

    With the anti-union TV ads still running in heavy rotation on cable systems in heavily polulated areas, the GOPers are also taking the opportunity to waggle their asses and spike the ball in the endzone.

    Those of us hoping for a spectacular overreach on these bills as well as the ones yet to come (Stop Shariah law now!) may have our wildest wishes granted.

    The next big drama will be Snyder's decision on whether to run for a second term ... Schuette has already begun work on a gubernatorial campaign, but Snyder may have just covered his right flank.

  •  Gerry Mandering has killed Michigan! (15+ / 0-)

    Even if Democrats want to change this, they would not only have to win back the Gov office, but the assembley and state Senate.

    The districts are so Jerry mandered that it almost makes it impossible even if all democrats come out to win all f them.  The State senate has been republican for Decades!

    Maybe the only way to change this is for all Democrats to re register as Republicans and take out these Tea Party nut bags in Primaries.  Then win the general elections and change back to Democrats and change the state rules not only on these extreme laws but to change the districting laws to better represent the will of the people of the state.

    Might have to do this in a bunch of states.

  •  Is there a left-wing version of ALEC? (4+ / 0-)
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    eps62, helfenburg, Mentatmark, BlueDragon

    If not, there needs to be one ASAP. Or else, the right will get a stranglehold on a majority state governments and the federal government will become irrelevant.

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:40:55 AM PST

  •  Complete and total @ssholes. n.t (3+ / 0-)
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    eps62, BlueDragon, machka

    If money is speech, then speech must be money.

    by dkmich on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:43:53 AM PST

  •  Democracy is something for ALEC to rewrite...n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    foucaultspendulum, Mentatmark
  •  Use the initiative process (2+ / 0-)
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    Mentatmark, dewtx

    There needs to be a comprehensive national effort to get non-partisan districting throughout the country.  Never again can we let ourselves be politically locked down in this way.  This means referenda to enforce, by constitutional amendment, fair and neutral districting.

  •  We shouldn't be forced to keep dealing with 2010 (7+ / 0-)

    The gerrymandered districts are the only reason Michigan Republicans have taken power and yet everybody here is acting like they have given up fighting until 2020. We need to implement a new type of plan for reapportioning congressional delegates in this country and this can't wait anymore. I heard 2 years ago Justice Kennedy wanted to retire in 3 years. Obama appoints a liberal justice and the new liberal majority can overturn Vieth v. Jubelier. We need to get redistricting power out of the hands of legislatures and into a non-partisan commission and we need ballot referendums on every swing state where they took control so they can draw new districts IMMEDIATELY. We could also do multi member districts which could also help end partisanship. Either way, we should not give up the fight until 2020 because the states are in too great of a crisis.

  •  The limits of an exclusively electoral strategy. (0+ / 0-)

    We're choosing the wrong battlefield to fight on. The past two years have shown us nothing if not how relying on recalls, referenda, and regular elections is a losing strategy.

    We need to fight on the ground, in our workplaces, our communities, in the streets FIRST, and then the electoral wins will follow.

    Where photos come out and play. foldplay

    by urbazewski on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:57:07 AM PST

  •  The process (1+ / 0-)
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    Sarenth

    for drawing district lines must change. Letting the politicians choose their voters is not a good system. Michigan is a blue state with a Republican dictatorship in place. Even if Snyder loses in 2014 and Dems reclaim the House, the Senate districts are so distorted that the Republicans will hold it regardless.

    Of course, the MI Democratic party has sucked for years, and shoulders considerable blame for Snyder's victory in 2010. Virg Bernero is a good guy, but he was a bad candidate. He lost to a guy who refused to tell anyone what his agenda was. They had better options. We need new leaders.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:57:17 AM PST

  •  Aside from revoking the law, isn't it possible to (2+ / 0-)
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    Proud Liberal Dem, dewtx

    bring legal challenges to this 1) an obvious attempt to pass essentially the same bill after voters have rejected it 2) not holding hearings on it (them) 3) evading state laws by attaching spurious appropriation language?

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02:35 AM PST

  •  One thing I don't quite understand (1+ / 0-)
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    Sarenth

    how can it be legal/constitutional for local ELECTED officials to be removed or replaced by entities other than the voters?  It's not like the areas under control of these "emergency managers" got completely wiped out by an alien invasion or natural disaster- at which point it would be logical that somebody from above might need to step in to get things up and running again.  WTH constitutes an "emergency" anyway?  Seems to me like the law is an excuse to override local control of select towns/cities and fulfill ALEC's wish list.   Anybody filed a lawsuit against this yet?

  •  remember boys and girls... (1+ / 0-)
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    AoT

    this is the same state that had a Dem win an election, then as he walked in the door basically flipped everyone off and signed up as a Republican.  Then nothing was really done about it.  So this don't surprise me one bit.  When unions are a thing of the past, and sweatshops line all the dirt roads, and people ask "what happened?"... I'll just point to MI and see, they let it happen, and it snowballed.

  •  i don't want to talk to or listen to any (0+ / 0-)

    of these dictators.

    they literally want to kill democracy.

    they need to be taken out.  period.  it is long past the time to compromise with them.

    their agenda is crystal clear and they are sociopaths who don't care about others at all.

    they are not the opposition.  they don't want a democracy.

    they want blood in the streets in order to justify a violent reaction.

    as far as I am concerned, they have drawn a line in the sand and are waiting to see if the vast majority have the smarts and guts to cross it.

    they don't believe we do.

    they may be right.  

    Donate to Occupy Wall Street here: http://nycga.cc/donate/

    by BlueDragon on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:14:46 AM PST

  •  "In a giant middle finger to the voters of MI, the (1+ / 0-)
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    Sarenth

    law and to democracy. . . "

    Is what I think the title should have been ;-)

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:29:58 AM PST

  •  Michigan Lawmakers Run Amok (2+ / 0-)
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    nominalize, Sarenth

    What do these GOP dolts in Michigan think they're doing? This is insanity that they think they have any future hope for their party in the state.  Did they read the papers after the election. Did they not see what voters did when GOP states tried to suppress their voting? They came out in DROVES!

    There are some really really stupid people in the GOP party.

  •  I don't know how... (1+ / 0-)
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    Sarenth

    Snyder managed to not think that it was a sign when the original bill was over turned, but pushing the same thing and attaching an appropriation bill to prevent it from being recalled again along with repealing labor rights by legislature when Unions failed to get it to pass on ballot is a sure fire way to get yourself repealed next year. Wait until the new state congress comes in. He's looking at two years of getting absolutely nothing done if he's still in office this time next year.

  •  Am I the only one (0+ / 0-)

    who doesn't care about any of this anymore? I can't really muster sympathy for folks who vote for Republicans and then act shocked when they pursue the Republican Party's stated agenda. Anyone dumb enough to put Republicans back in charge after everything they've done over the past decade deserves every depredation their new Republican overlords choose to inflict upon them. At this point, I'm actively rooting for Republicans to turn every state they control into Mississippi. I have a feeling that it's going to take an industrial-strength dose of pure unvarnished conservatism to truly inoculate the voting public.

    •  Hummmm. Here's hoping you're very wrong, but (2+ / 0-)
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      Glen The Plumber, Sarenth

      Two people I talked to today from Michigan didn't have a clue what is going on.  Both are educated and aware people in other ways. I educated both of them.  They didn't even know about the rally in Lansing..  We have a huge educational job ahead of us.  Neither watch Fox but both were very influenced by the ads playing now touting 'freedom to work' and guaranteed collective bargaining rights.  And our media with its constant false equivalency is a serious part of the problem. I'm in shock today and when I think about it, sick to my stomach.  I need a few days to regroup.  Probably the whole state does, except the 80% who don't have a clue - she shakes her head sadly.

      The 'shift' is hitting the fan.

      by sydneyluv on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:46:17 PM PST

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    •  You might have a point if everyone (1+ / 0-)
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      Sarenth

      in Michigan voted republican.  But they didn't.  The republicans lied and cheated their way into office and then gerrymandered the districts to stay in office.  If Obama had lost would you deserve Romney as the president?  How about all the women who now have even greater restrictions on abortion?

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:32:58 PM PST

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks ever so much for your cheery wishes.

      Weathering Michigan's recessions since the '70s.

      by jennifree2bme on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:02:09 AM PST

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  •  Not "Emergency Managers", Corp. Overlords (2+ / 0-)
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    rubyduby7, Sarenth

    Remember not to use right wing framing on anything. They brainwash people just by the words they use. We have to employ a completely different word set that more accurately reflects what things really are.

    These tyrants are Corporate Overlords. They have the power to summarily dismiss local elected officials and destroy contracts with employees. That type of anti-democracy, freedom-shredding tyranny is literally fascism.

    Bold Progressive. Deal with it.

    by novenator on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:42:06 PM PST

  •  What have we learned? Don't give gov to Repubs! (0+ / 0-)

    I wish I could say I was shocked... but I am not.

    Michigan elected these people... they gave all 3 branches to the Republicans...

    Time to learn a lesson...

    •  Urban/rural splits exist in most states. (1+ / 0-)
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      The resentment and racism directed towards SE Michigan from the rest of the state is particularly toxic and has been going on for decades.  Those people are getting exactly what they voted for.

      So I'm not certain why people keep acting like Michigan is monolithic when most states aren't.

  •  To anyone who thinks 'we voted for this': (1+ / 0-)
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    jennifree2bme

    You are spitting in my, and anyone who voted for a Blue or Green candidate's eye.  We did not want this.  This is the last thing 'we' wanted.  

    I want a government that cares for the People, not punishes the poor for being poor, women for making a choice for what to do with their own body, and minority religions for following their God(s).  

    I now have a government that is firmly behind those things with the full force of the law.

    And you know what?  Unless Democrats get off of their asses, find their backbone and march and vote and work to make change I am going somewhere else.  I'm here and ready to support Democrats who are willing and ready to fight for me.  I did in the last election and the ones before that.  I'm waiting for bodyblows, not slaps.

    I can't wait for 11-dimension chess to play itself out sometime down the line.  My rights, and the rights of my loved ones, my friends, my family, my neighbors, my children, are being dismantled and destroyed by any means necessary NOW.

    "You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind." -Morpheus, The Matrix

    by Sarenth on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:15:30 PM PST

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