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Boo F-ing Hoo.

Look who crawled out of the swamp of Florida Republican politics and tried to wipe the Christian evangelical mud of off him with some conveniently timed alligator tears! It's new Democrat Charlie F-ing Crist.

Tampa Bay Times: Charlie Crist regrets signing anti-gay marriage petition.

Asked if he regretted any decisions or positions he made as a Republican over more than two decades, Crist said, "There probably are a few," but everyone grows.

How about his signing the petition in 2006 to enshrine a ban on gay marriage into the state constitution? "Would I do it today? No," Crist said. "I think the best way to judge where my heart is is to look at the deeds that I have done, whether as attorney general, governor -restoration of rights, civil rights cases, things of that nature that I think show a compassionate heart and hopefully someone who cares and knows who the boss is - and the boss is the people of Florida."

Isn't that convenient?
Translation:
"I am a Democrat now and in deeply divided Florida were many Democratic/Republican elections are decided by very razor-thin margins I need every single vote, even nasty homosexuals I made a career of bashing.

So, what I need is LGBT people in Fort Lauderdale, Key West, Miami, Tampa, and other urban centers to immediately forget all about my four years of unbridled hostility on marriage, adoption rights, AIDS and HIV including my shameful record as one of worst AIDS Drug Assistance Programs in the country. Forget my opposition to employment discrimination protection and stacking the Florida Supreme Court with conservative justices that will reap Hell on LGBT people for decades, and vote for me in my next election, please. Thank you."

Florida LGBT activists do not seem impressed:

Dennis Godfrey: Michael, the man is a politician which means by its very nature, he's an opportunist. There are true public servants WHICH ARE FEW...and then there are politicians. We all know he's the latter. This should come as no surprise to anyone who's switched on.

Nancy Carola Jacobson: Not to mention two of the most conservative appointments ever to the Florida Supreme Court--Canady and Polston. As Ricky Ricardo would say, Charlie, you've got a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Wayne Dansbury: Like Rhett Butler 'I hate waste!' With that in mind, let's send 'Goodtime Charlie' back to school. Let him run for a state office- say state representative-

Pamela Kissinger: He didn't "come out"...he just changed coats, for he thinks a better opportunity. Wof, is a Wolf, is a Wolf. Like him, I do not.

Jack Crocetto: Creep that he is.

It looks like they are not, in the words of the Dixie Chicks, Ready To Make Nice, and who can blame them?

I'll make you a deal, Gov. Crist: How about performing a tangible and concrete act of penance?

Why don't you host a great, big high-dollar fundraiser for the LGBT rights group Equality Florida and invite all your favorite, swanky bipartisan friends? Then EQFL can use the money to try to undo all the damage you did as governor. Then come back and we'll talk.

Until then, your words are as hollow as your non-existent principles and you can save the sob stories for Barbara Walters' couch.

Originally posted to Angry Gays on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:15 PM PST.

Also republished by Milk Men And Women and Daily Kos.

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  •  Um... (34+ / 0-)
    I think the best way to judge where my heart is is to look at the deeds that I have done
    That's what we're doing, Charlie. That's exactly what we're doing.

    Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?

    by Chrislove on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:24:25 PM PST

  •  It does do some good. (13+ / 0-)

    There are some people out there who will actually believe him, and his 'evolution' will be another brick in the stairway to their own 'evolution' to at least not opposing gay marriage, even if not being 'for' it.

    It's like one of the subplots in a sci-fi book by H Beam Piper, in which the guy trying to topple a theocracy gets several of the archbishops to publicly recant, and take positions with his government.  It doesn't really matter if they're sincere, or just opportunists - it strikes a blow against the theocracy being based around a real god.

    So the more Repubs who recant, their homophobic stances the better, even if they're only doing it for personal gain of one sort or another.

  •  Yep. Do we really want him? (7+ / 0-)

    He's the prime example of a politician who'll do just about anything if it gets him elected for something.

    •  hmmm (5+ / 0-)

      I respectfully disagree, though I can relate to your irritation. His refusal to take away voting rights from felons who had done their time was honorable.

      Dems in swing districts: INSIST your republican rep incr tax on the wealthy -gerrymandering makes rep vulnerable...swing district list: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162387/48457188

      by grrr on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:41:28 PM PST

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    •  Sure why not? (3+ / 0-)
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      I mean a public road-to-Damascus conversion helps out.

      Doesn't mean we need to have him win primaries or actually get elected as a Democrat when there are better candidates out there.

      But sure, why not welcome him into the part as having finally realized we were right all along?

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:01:30 PM PST

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  •  Considering his history (6+ / 0-)

    of on-going sexual relationships with men, I think it is unlikely that he will openly court the gay vote politically.

  •  There's an argument to be made (9+ / 0-)

    that the LGBT vote won Florida for the President:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/...

    LGBT voters in Florida went with the President 71% to 28%.  Non-LGBT voters went with Romney 50-49%.  The LGBT vote seems to have been the difference, or at least one population that was within the margin to make the difference.

    Charlie Crist can read polls just fine.  

    Hey - isn't there a thought that he might be gay, himself?  I seem to recall that he's a "confirmed bachelor" etc and he seems to fit the profile of someone who is closeted for political benefit.

    Regardless, I'm still glad he switched parties and maybe better late than never on marriage.  There does come a point where you have to wonder, what the hell took so long.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:30:11 PM PST

    •  Let me also say (5+ / 0-)

      He should not get a pass for his egregious support for defining marriage as between a man and a woman.  I'm not sure that he should be elected to anything.  

      I'm just sayin'... it took some polling data  for the President to back away from DOMA too and while Pres Obama does not have the same sorts of skeletons in his closet, part of his "evolution" on the issue certainly had to do with recognizing the power of a key political constituency.  David Geffen certainly has had a word with him.  And it was good politics - Obama beat Romney by 40 points or more among LGBT people and he needed that margin. It's just that with politicians, sometimes one has to accept change even if late.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:37:16 PM PST

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      •  The people who died on his huge (14+ / 0-)

        ADAP waiting list for HIV meds unfortunately don't today have the luxury of forgiveness.

        Last week, over 120 protestors from around the state protested outside the Capitol asking Governor Crist to ‘Be the Governor for People with AIDS’ and to stop changes to the Medicaid that will hurt thousands of patients throughout the state. Among the protestors were scores of people living with HIV/AIDS, as well as their nurses and medical-care providers—all of whom fear changes to Medicaid that will result in a 77% reduction in nursing staff to the low-income, Medicaid HIV/AIDS population. Members of the group—including an AHF/Positive Healthcare nurse care manager and a person living with HIV/AIDS—were granted a meeting with Governor Crist late in the afternoon. The Governor was receptive to the protestors’ concerns and pledged to address the issue. However, despite this promise, the Governor’s silence continues.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:50:36 PM PST

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        •  This is more persuasive (1+ / 0-)
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          than the family law issues as a reason to accept his political conversion while rejecting his future political ambition.  It's also not an issue for the LGBT community only.  FL has a higher rate of TB than most states (often associated with HIV), a high rate of injection drug users, and also a high rate of HIV transmission among all groups.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:11:43 PM PST

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          •  But it's primarily a gay issue. (2+ / 0-)
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            Gay men still make up the majority of those infected with HIV.  And we also represent the majority of new infections.  

            I know the LGBT community has tried very hard to shed the stigma of HIV as a "gay disease," but it's still our community's #1 health challenge.  We need to remember that.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:23:30 PM PST

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            •  It's a preventable "#1 health challenge". (0+ / 0-)

              Work on having the numbers of new infections decrease, that may help with shedding the stigma.

              "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

              by glorificus on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:06:15 PM PST

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              •  Um, yeah, we've been at that for a few decades. (0+ / 0-)

                And the stigma has nothing to do with the number of new infections.  HIV stigma has been with us since the beginning.  It exists independent of the number of people infected.  

                "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:06:07 AM PST

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                •  Well, speaking as a non-homophobic straight (0+ / 0-)

                  person generally sympathetic to equal rights, I'm appalled at the continuing LARGE numbers of new infections in this country every year.

                  "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

                  by glorificus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:54:52 AM PST

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                  •  Speaking as a non-homophobic gay man with HIV, (0+ / 0-)

                    who's entirely sympathetic to equal rights, I'm also appalled at the continuing, large numbers of new infections in this country every year.  But those large numbers are not what it creating the stigma that surrounds HIV.  Rather, it is the stigma that plays a large role in causing new infections.  

                    Until we address the underlying structural problems that lead to HIV infection, things like homophobia, racism, poverty, youth homelessness, and lack of access to health care, we won't be able to lower the number of infections.  Other countries have figured this out and have adopted policies directed at correcting those problems.  The U.S. is simply behind the curve.

                    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                    by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:46:42 AM PST

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            •  HIV is not the gay community's #1 health challenge (0+ / 0-)

              "Barebacking" is!

    •  Crist is married & his wife goes with him... (3+ / 0-)
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      everywhere. She was with him at the White House party a few days ago where he signed the paper changing his registration from Independent to Democrat.
      Today in St. Petersburg he officially pledged to the Democratic party.
      I see Crist and his wife at all kinds of events around Tampa Bay (the opera, Tampa Bay Times Reading Festival).
      Before he married Carole, there were rumors of Crist being gay. There was never any proof. I guess it's like Senator Lindsey Graham. People call him gay because he's not married. I never saw any proof of his gayness. But I can't stand his anti-gay position.
      Today I read a DailyKos diary about Graham (& McCain and Lieberman) being interviewed by Piers Morgan on CNN about marriage equality winning the vote in 3 states in the November election. Graham brought up religious rights, states rights and the possibiity of three people in love getting married as reasons to be against marriage equality. That was ridiculous.
      I don't recall Crist making those kinds of arguments when he led the state I lived in when he was governor and still live in. I didn't vote for him, but he wasn't as radical as most FL Republican governors, including Jeb Bush.
      Sadly, we don't have any state-wide Dem with star power to win a governors' race against the current criminal who now heads our state.

      I share a birthday with John Lennon and Bo Obama.

      by peacestpete on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:53:52 PM PST

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    •  If he is... (9+ / 0-)

      then this is unforgivable:

      How about his signing the petition in 2006 to enshrine a ban on gay marriage into the state constitution? "Would I do it today? No," Crist said.
      I am more easily able to forgive a straight man over 60 who grew up religious for slower evolution on this issue, or for reversing course between 2004 and now.  But if you are gay, or if you have a close friend or relative who is, then this sort of action seems very close to a disqualifying act for higher office.  Lord knows enough straight folks evolved already.  To sell your own self, your own love, so cheap... that seems like a character flaw rather than ignorance as is sometimes the case with straight white men of Crist's generation.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:49:43 PM PST

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      •  I completely agree with you. (6+ / 0-)

        I didn't write more, because all of what I was thinking sounded like making excuses for him. Not living in FL, I wasn't aware of all the things he did that hurt gays. It seems that he went overboard to try to hide his sexual orientation, and that really stinks. He has slipped several notches on my like meter.

        •  He's married. I don't know why people... (1+ / 0-)
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          keep perpetuating this talking point about Crist being gay and not admitting it.
          I just left a long comment on this subject elsewhere in this diary.
          I've lived in FL for 30 years, including the time when he was governor, attorney general, etc. He lives in my city - St. Petersburg.
          There were rumors before of his being gay but nothing every panned out. I think the rumors started because he was a bachelor for most of his life.
          But he's married now. I know some people will say it's a cover-up for his continued gayness. But he lives 5 miles from me; I run into him all the time at social events; and the Tampa Bay Times (formerly known as the St. Petersburg Times) has a crack team of investigative reporters who researched the issue and came up with nothing on him. The paper is independently-owned (I used to work there as a news correspondent) and they chased the gay stories and came up empty-handed.
          I never voted for Crist, but I wish people would stop saying he was a gay who wouldn't admit it.

          I share a birthday with John Lennon and Bo Obama.

          by peacestpete on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:11:19 PM PST

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  •  Florida may be stuck with him. (14+ / 0-)
    A new private poll of 1,000 Democratic voters gives former Gov. Charlie Crist an overwhelming advantage over all other Democrats in a hypothetical primary for governor, including a 21-point lead in a test matchup against Alex Sink, the party's 2010 nominee.

    Neither Crist nor Sink has announced plans to run for governor. The poll concludes that Crist is far better known than Sink and that 75 percent of Democrats believe he has the best chance of beating Republican Gov. Rick Scott in 2014.


    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/...
  •  Hear Hear! (8+ / 0-)

    Kinda understandable why Republicans got rid of this guy. He reminds me of greased up deaf guy.

    Still, considering the absolutely abominable shape the Democratic Party is in Florida (althought it got better this year), he's about the only thing we really have going for us in the state.

  •  John Aravosis has for some time now (8+ / 0-)

    intimated that Charlie Crist has liked gay men a lot longer than he lets on.  Wink wink.  Nudge nudge.

  •  Ah yes, the good old deathbed conversion (5+ / 0-)

    Why SHOOOOOOR I loves me some LGBT people! That's why I quit that awful old Republican Party and was true to myself -- and all you prospective voters -- and switched to the party where I really, truly belong! No, REALLY!

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:40:13 PM PST

  •  If Obama gets time to "evolve"... (7+ / 0-)

    I'm willing to give Crist a second audition...

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:41:32 PM PST

  •  Crist should be the last person on earth to be (4+ / 0-)
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    signing an anti-gay document---given the questionable nature of his alleged heterosexuality. Any candidate the Democrats put out there will beat governor Skeletor, but Florida can do a lot better than Crist. Sink isn't much of an improvement either. We need better candidates than these two losers.

  •  no problem with Crist (3+ / 0-)
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    TLS66, Bush Bites, JamieG from Md

    He was always reasonable and his ant gay stance was to cover up his suspected gay lifestyle from the nutty Reoublicans.

    Now that he is free, I would take him in a second over scott and would be fine having him as the Gov of Florida.

    •  I understand that's a common feeling (3+ / 0-)
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      among heterosexuals.

      "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

      by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:00:36 PM PST

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    •  Gamblndan, you can't be serious! (1+ / 0-)
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      apimomfan2

      Back then (and even now) Crist was far from being the only elected male official in Florida who's into other men. That's no secret, but given the strange nature of  Florida politics... people tend to look the other way if you're real discrete about your business.

      As far as the gay issue goes, I was very surprised by his hypocrisy. I had expected him to decline to get involved with signing that thing. I was also shocked at how quick he married his rich beard when his ambition to become senator was at fever pitch. But, I suppose that's the Republican thing to do if you're a gay dude who takes yourself way too seriously about being a Conservative politician. I don't see how that makes him "free."

      I remember how, as governor, he promised to help us out with the outrageous property insurance situation here. Lied to us over and over again, and did nothing when he could have.

      Crist is a snake who will say and do anything at all to curry favor and get votes. I don't trust him and would never vote for him for governor again.

  •  yes, too many democrats fall for the slimbags lies (3+ / 0-)
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    Tweety is pumping him for Govenor and a lot of democrats are falling for his bullshit lies. Democrats for Crist are the reason we have Senator Rubio.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:56:44 PM PST

    •  NO democrats (3+ / 0-)
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      bent on running meeks, who never had a chance in hell, is why we have a Rubio right now.

      Good god, take responsibility for it. Crist was the only hope to keep Rubio out of politics, but those who said we needed meeks no matter what, was a fools errand at best.

      GOP- Fact Free since 1981!

      by KingGeorgetheTurd on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:07:46 PM PST

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      •  Meeks polling at 15% as I remember (0+ / 0-)

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

        by allenjo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:10:39 PM PST

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      •  wrong, no democrats support for Crist, no Rubio (1+ / 0-)
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        If all that money and support of Crist had gone to Meek he would have kicked Rubios ass. If Obama had seen fit to whip the democratic base to support Meek and unions would have pumped his candidacy he would have won. Democratic unity would have been a winning formula while deserting the democratic nominee to support a scumbag with higher poll numbers is a loser.

        But the main thing is democrats almost always lose when they try to get cute and don't support the candidate chosen by the party. It's better to lose with your principles intact.

        America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

        by cacamp on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:09:12 PM PST

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        •  you are clueless about Florida's (0+ / 0-)

          demographics. Meek was never able to reach 30% in the state, heck he wouldnt have gotten 50% if he ran against no one.

          GOP- Fact Free since 1981!

          by KingGeorgetheTurd on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:21:39 AM PST

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          •  gee, you reason so well (0+ / 0-)

            a lot like Crist himself. But to those without reasoning ability just stating shit makes them seem true, at least to the writer if no one else. Does it make it true in your world if I say Crist isn't as smart as kingGeorge himself or Crist could get 10% against a fence post? Apparently in your world that's a winning argument. Must make for a sad life though.

            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

            by cacamp on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:50:42 PM PST

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          •  People don't seem to understand that. (2+ / 0-)
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            Kendrick Meek--which is his name, even though people sure do enjoy saying MeekS--was an absolutely terrible candidate and was probably the worst candidate that the Democratic Party could have run.

            He was "elected" to Congress four times, and I put elected in quotation marks because not once did he face a general election opponent. His campaign for the United States Senate was one of the few times in his sixteen year political career that he faced opponents of any kind at all.

            He was a corrupt Congressman from Miami who was gifted his congressional seat by his mother--and it's difficult for a Miami Democrat to have statewide appeal in today's Florida. He had no substantial legislative accomplishments of any kind. He only emerged from a "competitive" Democratic primary because of the sheer ineptitude of his opponents and because no prominent Democrat of any kind ran.

            And Bill Clinton almost talked him into dropping out of the race and endorsing Crist, who would have been named the new nominee by the Democratic Party, and we would now have Senator Crist rather than Senator Rubio.

            That was a longer rant than I wanted, but I absolutely detest Kendrick Meek. Florida Democrats have a pretty solid bench to run for statewide office, and it bothered me to no end that he became the nominee.

            18, FL-07 (school), MD-07 (home). UCF sophomore, politically ambitious, vocally liberal--what else could you need to know?

            by tqycolumbia on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:26:10 PM PST

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  •  He cost us the Governor's race last time. (3+ / 0-)

    I don't like him, and I hope he loses his primary challenge.

    I kind of hope Alex Sink runs again, though I love Nan Rich. I don't know much about Buddy Dyer or Jimmy Morales, though I'd be happy to look at them too.

    Crist's come to Dan Savage moment is too little too late for me.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:00:52 PM PST

    •  Really? How? He didn't even run. (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Whoops! Sorry, I meant senate race. (1+ / 0-)
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        He's why Marco Rubio is a senator. People chose between Independent Crist and Democrat Kendrick Meek. That split ticket on the left.

        Thanks for correcting my brain fart!

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:13:23 PM PST

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        •  Ok, that makes sense. However, given that he (1+ / 0-)
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          was a Republican at the time you couldn't really expect him to make life easier for Dems. Meeks was a terrible candidate.

          •  While everything you said is true, I am still (1+ / 0-)
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            allowed to be a crotchety Democrat who grew up in Florida who didn't appreciate his attempt to triangulate during that race.

            If he really did believe in the principals he says he holds dear, and if he really wanted someone dangerous like Rubio to go down, he should have backed Meek.

            What I'm saying isn't that he shouldn't be a Democrat, what I'm saying is that this is too little to late for me to remotely respect him or support him as a potential candidate, especially with his record on LGBT issues.

            I do not like this man. There are better democrats, and I hope they run against him.

            If he does clinch a nomination, I'll support him. But I'll fight for better candidates until then.

            An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

            by OllieGarkey on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:31:22 PM PST

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  •  In 2004 (2+ / 0-)
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    Liberal Heretic, peacestpete

    51% of people polled were against gay marriage, today that is down to 31%.

    So why is so hard to believe that people like Crist are not of that changing stance? Are people no longer capable of changing?

    The Dkos crowd still shocks me from time to time.

    GOP- Fact Free since 1981!

    by KingGeorgetheTurd on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:14:07 PM PST

    •  Who CARES what he believes? (3+ / 0-)
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      I care about his record and it sucks.

      It shocks me from time to time how some in the DKos crowd are so quick to embrace someone who has years of bad acts just because he mouths a few pretty words.

      "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

      by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:26:22 PM PST

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      •  Well, since he is not in a position to prove that (0+ / 0-)

        how does he?

        GOP- Fact Free since 1981!

        by KingGeorgetheTurd on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:06:10 PM PST

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      •  the LGBT community should demand he change (0+ / 0-)

        Crist's changing parties is a real opportunity to demand that he publicly change his views on LGBT issues.  Does any other prominent DEM gubernatorial candidate support marriage equality?  If not, this is a real opportunity for the LGBT community to demand that Crist support marriage equality and other LGBT issues in exchange for LGBT support.

        Yes, Virginia, there is an alternative to the death penalty! http://www.vadp.org

        by econlibVA on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:43:25 PM PST

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        •  Most of the Democratic Governors (0+ / 0-)

          support marriage equality these days. Let's see, Gov. Baldacci of Maine and Gov. Lynch of NH and Gov. Dean of VT were early signers of bills years ago. Current Govs. Dayton of MN, Cuomo of NY, and O'Mally of MD, Gregoire of WA, Abercrombie of HI, Quinn of IL, Ind. Gov Chaffee of RI....

          That's off the top of my head. It's far more unusual at this point that a D gov doesn't.

          At least they should demand Crist promise ON VIDEO that he would work his ass off to pass LGBT employment non-discrimination protection, something that Florida doesn't have and would be very helpful. Make him promise to bring a bill to the floor, pass or fail.

          "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

          by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:51:55 PM PST

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          •  I meant DEM candidate in FL... (0+ / 0-)

            Sorry - I should have been clearer.  I meant to ask whether any other prospective DEM gubernatorial candidate in FL supported marriage equality.  Following your suggestion,  FL LGBTs should make Crist promise to support marriage equality and get it on video in exchange for their support (and lack of opposition for past sins against the LGBT community).

            Yes, Virginia, there is an alternative to the death penalty! http://www.vadp.org

            by econlibVA on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:59:51 PM PST

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    •  Even President Obama's position evolved on... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      KingGeorgetheTurd

      this issue.
      I really don't understand the hate for Crist here. I voted for Sink for governor and every newspaper in FL endorsed her, but she lost to the crook. Everyone was shocked!
      Sink hasn't made a name for herself statewide since her loss and I don't think she'll win if she ran. She's not good at glad-handing.
      Crist is good at glad-handing and populism. He can read the temperature of the voters. No real Dem has the popularity in FL or state-wide name recognition that Crist has. Maybe another Dem will come to the forefront, but I don't see it.

      I share a birthday with John Lennon and Bo Obama.

      by peacestpete on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:22:02 PM PST

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      •  I don't understand why you call it "hate." (3+ / 0-)
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        jgilhousen, apimomfan2, SoCaliana

        It's vigorous disagreement with his political positions.

        I understand you have the luxury of supporting him. You're not a target of his.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:37:14 PM PST

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      •  Democrats just get it (1+ / 0-)
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        peacestpete

        about Florida. They see an occasional democrat win from South Florida and get excited the state is open for a progressive.

        Florida's best hope state wide is a centrist or conservadem like Nelson. Im getting tired of these democrats who keep trying to get far left candidates on state wide elections. What a waste of time and money. They may as well start putting big bucks into state wide Wyoming Elections.
        /major facepalm

        GOP- Fact Free since 1981!

        by KingGeorgetheTurd on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:54:52 PM PST

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    •  The last I recall, Obama also changed his stance (0+ / 0-)

      or "evolved" on gay marriage.  He officially opposed marriage equality in 2008 as I recall.  

      We should welcome positive Crist's change on this issue. Lot's of people are changing their mind on this issue.  

      We have nothing to fear but fear itself

      by bhouston79 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:47:56 PM PST

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  •  Whew. For a minute I thought he was going to (6+ / 0-)

    say that the Democrats need him to win the war against the Russians.

    I am relieved.

    I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

    by commonmass on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:14:45 PM PST

  •  Yes, he only used to like us for the sex (4+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, peacestpete, wbr, apimomfan2

    Now, he likes us for our votes.  You know, I'd say it's an improvement.  

    Look, I am no fan of Charlie Crist.  It's mainly cause' he's a clown show.  He really does represent the cynicism in U.S. politics.  Perhaps cynicism we feel about the voters (because they keep buying his shtick).  

    But I appreciated what he did for Obama during the campaign.  I think for a Republican, he was actually a half decent governor of Florida.  And I appreciate what he's trying to do now by making up for what he's done.  So I will give him the benefit of the doubt here.  

    Check out my new blog: http://socalliberal.wordpress.com/

    by SoCalLiberal on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:23:17 PM PST

  •  Hmmmm (3+ / 0-)
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    Scott Wooledge, blueoasis, wbr

    I'm of two minds about this. I mean, I think that this may be a good thing, and his exodus from the Republican party could set a precedent, and the Republicans that haven't drank the poisoned Kool-Aid and thus AREN'T barking at the moon batshit could join our side and perhaps swell our ranks.

    Although a part of me wonders if some of the more savvy Republicans won't try to switch allegiances and try to infiltrate OUR party in an effort to push their evil agendas from the other side, and thus we'd only end up with more Blue Dog Democrats, which is something we really don't need. I wouldn't put it past them. But...maybe that's just me being overly suspicious.

    Maybe Crist will redeem himself in the eyes of gays and those of us who support gay marriage. Time will tell, and we shall see.

    In the meantime, I'm happy to welcome him aboard...for now.

    "Freedom comes at the price of eternal vigilance."

    by Liberal Heretic on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:34:56 PM PST

  •  What can you expect from a closet case? (3+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, apimomfan2, SoCaliana

    They make the worst homophobes.

    -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

    by gizmo59 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:36:17 PM PST

  •  I bet he will host a fundraiser in a heartbeat (1+ / 0-)
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    Liberal Heretic

    I'm all for holding him to it too.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:01:32 PM PST

  •  Political CONvenience. (2+ / 0-)
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    Scott Wooledge, SoCaliana

    And Nothing More.

  •  The Anti Crist Has Arrived! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    JBraden

    I knew she was the gal for me as soon as she laid her eyes on me. Right on me shoulder, she did. Popped the buggers right out her head, and laid em on me shoulder. She's a sweet heart, that gal.

    by glb3 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:05:34 PM PST

  •  Any liberal who votes for this guy is a sucker. (2+ / 0-)
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    DavidW, SoCaliana

    Plain and simple.  

    When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

    by Beelzebud on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:09:43 PM PST

  •  get over it (2+ / 0-)
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    Timmethy, Brian1066

    Crist is a politician who did what he had to do. He did some good things when it came to voting. Also Charlie has been married for 4 years so I wish people would lay off him.  Either he is straight, changed teams or has an arrangement with his wife but I have never seen any proof he is gay just innuendo.
    Bottom line is Charlie is the only hope we have to get rid of Scott so deal with him.

  •  I'm a Floridian and I could (0+ / 0-)

    come up with a whole list of folks who Charlie could hold the fundraiser for THAT DON'T PAY HUGE SALARIES TO THE CHOSEN.....

    We could start here:  http://glbtdemocrats.tklapp.com/

    Let me know if you need more.......

    "The first duty of a revolutionist is to get away with it.". Abbie Hoffman

    by Joes Steven on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:16:50 PM PST

  •  Honestly...... (1+ / 0-)
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    DavidW

    .........spine of jelly. And all that pink triangle triangulation got him absolutely nothing.

    I suggest he create a third party composed of Republican party rejects who realize late in life that everything they stood for is wrong.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:18:46 PM PST

  •  Charlie Crist has evolved (0+ / 0-)

    See, he has thumbs!

  •  Bad diary. Change POV/Registration=get bashed. (3+ / 0-)
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    KingGeorgetheTurd, umjm13, winsock

    The man said he has changed. Do you now want his first born to prove it? Let him have his LGBT fundraiser. I'll even contribute.

  •  Scott, former Gov. Crist, does appear to be (1+ / 0-)
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    kovie

    pandering as a outcast GOP has been.  I say, seize the day, divide and conquer.  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."  

    Forgive my pragmatic approach to politics.  I detest the game, yet, I understand the rules.  Shame on me

  •  Agreed. Rick Scott and Marco Rubio ... (0+ / 0-)

    Have 'principles.'

    So kiss off, Charlie.  We don't need your kind.

  •  I honestly don't know that much about Crist (0+ / 0-)

    so I'm not in a position to criticize or condemn his as others can. But given how so many here seemed so joyful that he endorsed Obama, left the GOP, and eventually became a Dem, it does strike me as a sign of how battered we've become as a party and far we still have to go that we continue to seem to need these rather sad and desperate signs of affirmation and validation from places we should know better than to seek them. Each time a disgruntled or former Repub says or does something mildly positive towards the left we seem to react with unbridled joy, like we're thinking "OMG someone out there in the real, adult world really likes us! They REALLY like us! Maybe we're not so bad after all! Oh happy day we have been validated! Get out the champagne!".

    We need to stop seeking out and overvaluing the emotional and political importance of these "endorsements". We're valid as we are, on our own, without needing external validation. While we should certainly celebrate the coming apart of the GOP and conservative movement and each time a former RW insider falls from grace or is kicked out from or leaves and criticizes the fold, and make full political use of each of these events, this is really about them and their decline, not us and our ascendance. We don't need them. Rather, they need us. Obviously. Never forget that.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 03:22:15 PM PST

    •  good grief (0+ / 0-)

      even Michael Moore, after seeing what happened to Michigan this week,  has come around to the concept of getting the candidate that has the best chance of winning. Period. Moore no longer cares about people with perfect records or perfect liberal leanings, he wants Democrats who can WIN in an election and keep the crazy Repubs out of the governor's offices. And I say amen to that.

      •  I have no idea what you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

        Is he running against Scott? Fine, then let him. If he can beat all the other Dems then more power to him. I'm sure that if he does we'll support him here, including Scott. But the point I believe is being made is that we can do better than politically opportunistic retreads. Look at Arlen Specter or Joe Lieberman. We don't need to keep playing that game. We can do better.

        And because Moore believes something then I have to believe it too? Please. Can we not disagree without being disagreeable?

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:46:38 PM PST

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  •  Who cares. (1+ / 0-)
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    bhouston79

    Purity witch hunts are an extravagance most places can't afford. I'd settle for the most brazen of flip flopping politicians in Michigan if there were enough of them to stop Republican insanity in the legislature.

  •  His principles are not for sale! (0+ / 0-)

    They are for rent!

  •  Hate to say it but......... (0+ / 0-)

    He's still better than Rick Scott!

    Liberal Democrat, and Very Proud of it.

    by JeffinNY on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:14:47 PM PST

  •  Great Dixie Chick song. (0+ / 0-)

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:37:26 PM PST

  •  NO, Pamela Kissenger did NOT go there. (0+ / 0-)
    He didn't "come out"...he just changed coats, for he thinks a better opportunity. Wof, is a Wolf, is a Wolf. Like him, I do not.
    *giggle*
  •  Why are we incapable as a party of welcoming (1+ / 0-)
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    RNmakingsense

    past foes who have seen the light of day and changed their ways?  We did this with Arlen Specter in the 2010 primary in Pennsylvania and it probably cost us that Senate seat and as a result we now have Senator Toomey.  Now we're going to do this to Charlie Crist as well?  The man has admitted that he was wrong; don't we want politicians to change their mind on issues like marriage equality.  

    Historically, the GOP hasn't does this to former Democrats.  They didn't primary Richard Shelby when he switched parties in 1994.  Hell, their hero, Ronald Reagan, was once a staunch Democrat who pummeled the do nothing Congress by running adds for Harry Truman and the Democrats in the 1948 election.  Now with the tea party purity police running the party, they may start doing this sort of thing, but if they do it will not benefit them electorally.

    The bottom line is that we should welcome folks like Charlie Crist with open arms when change their mind on such important issues.  We shouldn't kick them to the curb.

    We have nothing to fear but fear itself

    by bhouston79 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:44:17 PM PST

  •  not any worse than Andrew Cuomo's (0+ / 0-)

    transparent pander for the gay vote

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:30:56 PM PST

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