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In the light of the two most recently-publicized shooting tragedies, one of a horrific proportion, and especially since I don't believe any right-wing gun advocacy organization will do so, I'd like to share a message that I to other gun owners in the US:

I believe you have a Constitutional, individual right (both as written and interpreted by the SCOTUS) to keep and bear arms. Further, I think individual humans have a natural right to possess weaponry that can guarantee stopping another individual who does or likely may possess (within reason, not talking about the rando guy with a hand grenade) said weaponry.

I do not believe the 2nd Amendment, nor your human rights, allow your the moral and ethical disaster that is being anywhere near guns while in emotional distress, or that are not legally yours to own and/or carry.  

If you don't at least agree the weight of SCOTUS decisions allow citizens in the US to keep and bear arms, then there's not even any point in weighing in on this discussion, should one occur under this diary.
So, fleshed out with more details, here's my message to fellow gun owners:

Guns can and are used for many purposes in the US. Appropriate uses of guns include: hunting within the legal limits, target shooting, collecting, and as the last line of defense against those who you or your family are in imminent danger of life-threatening harm.

They are not to be used because you are mad at someone, against someone who insulted or cheated you, against someone who no longer loves you. They are not to be used or possessed to show off or by any other justification not related to the prior paragraph.


1. If you are angry, sad, depressed, extremely anxious, have been diagnosed with or told by people you trust that you may have a mental disorder, you should not own, nor be near, guns. You should remove yourself from those situations.

2. If you store guns near anyone who is angry, sad, depressed, extremely anxious, has been diagnosed with or that you fear has a mental disorder, or anyone without the training or maturity level necessary to appropriately handle a gun, you should remove those guns from that situation.

3. If you possess a gun that is illegally-owned, even if you don't use it, you should turn it in to the authorities during the next nearby gun drop-off. You will not be asked any questions about the gun, and you are preventing its misuse.

EVERY gun owner (Fuck the NRA, they're beyond help and are a rightwing shrill beyond gun issues anyway) should endorse the above statements, reiterate them to their loved ones and any others whom they know possess firearms, and contribute to public service communications that communicate the same. As gun owners who value that the 2nd Amendment enshrines our natural rights, we should take the PROACTIVE INITIATIVE to ensure the guns are used ONLY safely and appropriately.

Thank you for reading. God be with those who have passed, and their families, due to illegal gun violence over the past week.

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  •  I agree with MOST of your diary. n/t (2+ / 0-)

    "Attitude: the difference between ordeal and adventure".

    by friendly person on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:52:10 AM PST

  •  Personally right now I would like Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    ontheleftcoast, Phil S 33, SadieSue

    to make the fevered dreams of the right come true.

    The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

    by jsfox on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:58:05 AM PST

    •  Collecting guns will take $$$ and the Republican (2+ / 0-)
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      Smoh, jsfox

      controlled House controls the purse strings. Good luck getting them to cough up 1¢ to do anything about reducing guns.

      To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:03:27 AM PST

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    •  We have a huge problem in the USA (1+ / 0-)
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      with people who are not getting the mental health care and help they need.

      Someone made the choice to go to that school and kill his mother today.
      Someone made the choice to go to that mall Tuesday and open fire.
      Someone made the choice to kill soldiers at Fort Hood.
      Someone made the choice to create slaughter at Columbine.
      Someone made the choice to take firearms to Congresswoman Giffords' meet-and-greet in Arizona last year.

      Someone, in each of these cases and in dozens more, deliberately intended to inflict carnage.

      Because those people made bad choices, other people in this country want to blame inanimate objects -- and by extension, anyone who owns or uses those inanimate objects, regardless of the person's record.

      It's like the liberal version of anti-abortionism is anti-gun-ism.

      Both are wrong.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:22:40 PM PST

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      •  $$%$%^^&&&*! (1+ / 0-)
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        "Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again." James Fallows

        the Brady Campaigns list of mass shooting is the US just since 2005 is 65 pages long how many pages will be enough you?

        The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

        by jsfox on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:03:15 PM PST

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        •  Psychopaths and sadists are, (0+ / 0-)

          indeed, the problem. Why aren't we doing more to find them and treat them BEFORE they attack?

          Oh. Right. That's not as easy as banning guns. Banning guns will work.
          Banning some substance or object always solves the problem.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:10:26 PM PST

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  •  I'm speechless (2+ / 0-)
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    For Dean in Dixie, Persiflage

    This is a joke, right?

    What kind of delusional person believes that your first and second points have the slightest chance of ever being attended to? Are you a human? The evidence would seem to indicate not.

    What you're saying, in essence, is: "Are you or someone you know dangerous? Then stop being dangerous."

    Naw, this is a joke. OK, you got me. Funny.

    What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

    by RobLewis on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:05:06 AM PST

    •  Woooooooooosh. Or, thanks for trolling. nt (0+ / 0-)
      • wasn't trolling and I think you're WAY (1+ / 0-)
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        off base with this diary and comment.  Read what you said.  Basically:  If you have, or think you have a mental/emotionl disorder...or if you store your guns with someone like that...or if you own an illegal handgun...don't do anything stupid.  That's great advice to SANE people....who wouldn't do this shit anyway.

        The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

        by Persiflage on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:19:53 AM PST

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        •  Don't do anything stupid? Not what I wrote at all. (2+ / 0-)
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          Kindly leave if you're going to repeatedly misstate what I wrote. I'm sure you have no problem with these public service messages when they're about drinking and driving, or about domestic violence, etc.

          •  You don't run this place... (0+ / 0-)

            There's considerable difference between advising someone not to dig where there's a gas line and thinking advising mentally disturbed people about anything is useful.  If they weren't disturbed or deficient or just plain dumb they likely wouldn't need the warning....and they aren't going to get the message.

            If you want to think your words are a public service message, be my guest.  I reserve the right to think it's a hollow, meaningless and silly exercise.    

            You seem to think you're hot shit.  People who disagree with you are trolls...or should just go away.  I have news for you.  But, you wouldn't listen why give you a public service announcement.  IFIYGD.


            The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

            by Persiflage on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:27:22 PM PST

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        •  I think it's a start in the right direction. (2+ / 0-)
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          You're right about the fact that sane people who would be most likely to agree and follow that advice will do so on their own, and that those who are batshit crazy are not going to follow that advice in any case.

          However, there's a lot of room in between those poles with people who have been inattentive to the issues invoked by the diary.
          This is obvious by looking at the reporting on these kinds of incidents.

          There is one level of total certainty: if one does not own a gun, one cannot take a life or cause an accidental death.
          However, given the facts of our society, we need to wake up to the reaity that we don't have a problem with gun ownership in this country. We have a problem with how we think about guns. This is predominantly (almost exclusively) a male problem.
          We need to be more mindful, collectively and individually.
          This is a small step in that direction.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:47:39 AM PST

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    •  yeah (9+ / 0-)

      That would never happen, oh wait . . .

      it already has

      The diarist makes a strong point.  There is a step where we can recognize that guns are a right, without agreeing that everyone should have them.  

      There are steps we can take as a culture, to work towards making sure people with guns are required to frequently demonstrate mental stability and responsibility.  

      "should you be drinking right now?"
      "should you be driving right now?"
      "why do you own so many cats?"
      "why do you rock climb without safety rope?"
      "why are you buying so much Sudafed?"

      There are lots of times when we culturally question perfectly legal activities, because we want to receive an adequate explanation.  The explanation determines our level of intervention.  

      Imparting this attitude about guns would go a long way toward helping gun violence.  

  •  Impaired judgement (9+ / 0-)
    If you are angry, sad, depressed, extremely anxious, have been diagnosed with or told by people you trust that you may have a mental disorder ...
    you should have the good judgement to put your weapons beyond your ability to use.

    That seems to be depending a lot on the good judgement of people who's judgement is impaired. It's not a bad idea, but I don't think it takes us very far.

    Though I'm not a gun owner, I don't deny legitimate uses along the lines you describe. But public debate and public policy on this topic has been skewed against any kind of control for a long time.

    We tolerate a lot more restrictions on our ability to own and operate motor vehicles than we do on firearms and that does not seem right to me.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:08:52 AM PST

  •  Gun safety starts with gun security. (3+ / 0-)
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    Guns are to be secured under lock with Chamber locks in place to prevent unauthorized use.
    Proper understanding of what exactly guns are used for and what they are not used for. Sorry, hunter's safety and or a permit to carry are not good enough.
    Mental stability: That gets to be a very tough call. What if your a veteran with PTSD, but finds solace in hunting, or as in most cases uses hunting to reduce the food budget? That's just one example of the b'rair patch you are entering. Be very careful.
    Start with the training aspect of it and move on from there. If you make the training program a solid one, only those who pass it can at that point own weapons.
    Guns are power tools with one real purpose. To kill things.
    Target shooting is really only practice for when you have to kill with your gun. Hunting is going out with the intention of killing something. If you are ethical about it you eat what you kill. Everything else is semantics.

    Give blood. Play hockey.

    by flycaster on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:19:14 AM PST

  •  This is it. If gun owners cannot find a way to (5+ / 0-)

    control this type of slaughter, non-gun owners are anxious to help.

    There was a rampage in China today outside of a school that injured 22 and killed none. If you don't think that our gun loving culture didn't allow the killings in Connecticut, you are out of touch.

    The thing is that you guys know better than the rest of us how to handle and prevent these increasingly frequent mass killings. You have to step up and do something. Don't leave it to the trade association known as the NRA or those who want guns outlawed outright.

    Lead the conversation, don't just react.

    "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

    by Susan Grigsby on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:21:50 AM PST

  •  Those sentiments (1+ / 0-)
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    Back In Blue

    are easily expressed but hardly realized.

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      Although I think even an idealist would recognize that #1 and #2 are not realistic.

      #0: There is no such thing as a gun in a safe location if it is accessible and usable to you.  Period.  End of story.

      We had a case here in WA recently with a POLICE OFFICER that left his LOADED GUN in his minivan on the way to a wedding with his kids, age 1 through 7, while he and his wife stopped to purchase something.  His child got out of his child seat, played with the LOADED GUN and killed a sibling.

      My core tenets:
      • I am intolerant of only intolerance
      • I am prejudiced only against prejudice
      • I hate only hate
      I don't know why Republicans continue to contrive to be on the wrong end of these three tenets.

      by DrSpalding on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:44:55 AM PST

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  •  It seems gun rights are only rights in US being (4+ / 0-)
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    protected.  What about the right to a safe place to learn, or watch a movie.  I'm sick of protecting the rights of gun owners, as this gun obsessed society continues to engage in more and more acts of senseless gun violence.  Now 70% of the victims are children.  I'm beyond caring right now about protecting second amendment  rights.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:32:36 AM PST

  •  Problem solved! So, ... (1+ / 0-)
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    OK, who else can we give a stern talking-to?

    I never knew that fixing the world's ills was just a lecture away ...

  •  The problem is that when someone is in the (1+ / 0-)
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    situation you describe, his/her judgement is (by definition of the situation) often impaired. So asking them not to access guns they already own is not going to do much. Otherwise, good points.

  •  just cause we don't have it yet doesn't mean (0+ / 0-)

    we shouldn't strive to set and live up to a high standard, does it?

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:24:51 PM PST

  •  So why should anyone listen to you, GGG? (0+ / 0-)

    With a right to guns GUARANTEED by the Constitution, isn't random killings just a cost of doing business?

    As far as I know, George Winston's playing Christmas carols never killed anyone.

    "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

    by glorificus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:27:36 PM PST

  •  I added a "mental health" tag. (4+ / 0-)

    This is an issue I am confronted with on almost a daily basis.  Untreated mental health issues are one of the prime reasons for violent behavior in our society.  The mental health system is broken.  We now have a corporate mental health center system, and if a paranoid schizophrenic can even get admitted to a psychiatric hospital for homicidal/suicidal thoughts, they are unlikely to stay for more than three to five days.  They get pills, not therapy, and are sent home, where they quit taking the pills.

    I have seen every imaginable weapon used in murders.  One of the two messiest ones were when a psychotic young man beat his father to death with a cast iron patio chair.  The other was  when two guys got into an argument in a pool hall and one of them took the pool cue by the small end and hit the other one in the head with the big end, after taking a full swing like a golf club.  

    This is a truly serious mental health issue, and instead of arguing about the weapons used let's address the root cause: the dysfunctional mental health system in this country.

    The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

    by Otteray Scribe on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:57:51 PM PST

    •  I'm wondering it this is the "root" cause: (3+ / 0-)
      ...let's address the root cause: the dysfunctional mental health system in this country.
      I have a feeling there is a root cause of that. And it is so big and obvious that no one can see it.

      Could be an interesting discussion sometime.

      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:04:23 PM PST

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