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'At least 27 shot to death, many of them children.'

Americans were jolted out of their holiday cheer Friday with the news that an elementary school in Connecticut was the latest scene of mass murder. Early reports suggest that over 100 rounds were fired, and 2 semi automatic assault weapons (a Glock and a Sig Sauer) were recovered from the scene.

The shooter was not intending to hunt animals with those guns, folks.

Assault weapons were designed to kill Billy and Susie, not Bambi and Thumper. So why are we always shocked when they are used to do just that?

The zealots at the National Rifle Association will soon launch into their defense of these semi automatic weapons: 'Guns don't kill people, people do' and insist 'It's our constitutional right."

Malarky.

The 2nd amendment argument employed by these Rambo wannabes is a perversion of our Constitution. Think about it. Loading and firing a gun was a fairly lengthy process in the 1700s. Could our Founding Fathers have even imagined magazines and guns capable of killing many with a simple press of the trigger? Did they really intend for every citizen to possess such a weapon?

Doubtful.

We love our guns in northern Minnesota, to be sure. Hunting wild game is a part of our culture, and for some, necessary to put food on the table. But no one, repeat no one, needs a semi-automatic gun to shoot a duck, a deer or a rabbit. Assault weapons  were designed for one purpose and one purpose only - to kill people. That people sometimes choose to use semi-automatic assault weapons for their designated purpose should come as no surprise.

We need to either accept today's horrific scene of many children dead as collateral damage for permissive gun control laws or stop allowing every Tom, Dick and Mary from owning or possessing weapons capable of mass execution.

Cross posted from Iron Country Free Press

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  •  There are serious discussions (5+ / 0-)

    which can be had about gun control -- but they can only had with serious people who actual do their homework.  A 9mm is not an assault weapon.  I'm pretty sure you have no clue what one is.

    Now -- let's talk about a mentally ill person who has 2 9mm handguns and no one had any clue he would murder this many people, including 20 children for no fucking rational reason.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:51:31 PM PST

    •  Sorry, that's BS (2+ / 0-)
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      jan4insight, George3

      I don't need to know squat about the hardware to see the problem here! I don't need more discussion either... I need regulators with an ounce of courage.

      Some days it's not even worth chewing through the restraints!

      by SpotTheCat on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:07:56 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, you do (2+ / 0-)
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        annecros, raincrow

        You can't complain about people being killed by assault weapons when what was used was not an assault weapon.

        It means you are arguing about the wrong thing. If there were no assault weapons in the hands of any American civilian...it wouldn't have done a damn thing to prevent this because the Glock and Sig-Sauer used were handguns.

      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        raincrow

        yeah ya do. If you are going to base your argument on the hardware, you should really get it right in order to be persuasive.

      •  Regulators make things regular, or try to. (0+ / 0-)

        Rules and regulations do not affect the behavior or unreasonable and irrational people.
        There are no magic incantations that immobilize and prevent evil doers from doing their thing.

        Perhaps the outrage arises from the fact that there is much palaver about loving the children and "doing for the children" and "saving the children" and then they are killed in cold blood. But, the palaver is mostly false.

        The U.S. Senate has refused to ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
        Whole states are trying to deny immigrant children an education.
        Malnutrition is rampant in young and old.
        Millions of children run away from abusive homes every year.
        Homeless shelters are filling up with families with children.
        Michigan legislators have passed a law saying that food stamps need not be honored in stores.
        There is an epidemic of child sexual abuse.
        Gays aren't allowed to value families or adopt children in many states because 51% of American adults are single and that's OK.
        The Senator from South Carolina bemoans that not enough white children are being born.

        Like our troops, the children are dispensible and that's why they're getting shot up. Those were all sombody's children that Dubya sent off to Iraq to get killed and maimed for nothing at all. If people are influenced by the example of our leaders, that one's a doozy.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:01:22 PM PST

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    •  9mm semi-automatic pistol not an assault weapon? (1+ / 0-)
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      sayitaintso

      What is it then?

      Does it have any other purpose other than the killing of human beings? It does not. So stop splitting hairs just because it isn't an AK47 or M16. It spits out bullets as fast as I can pull the trigger the people hit by those bullets are just as dead.

      "Now -- let's talk about a mentally ill person who has 2 9mm handguns and no one had any clue he would murder this many people, including 20 children for no fucking rational reason."

      I want to buy 2 9mm hand guns. I go to my firearms safety course and pass. Do they search my medical records to see if I have a history of mental illness? No. They do not. Do they check to see how many times the local PD has been called to my house for domestic disputes? No. They are specifically prohibited from doing so by law in my state.

      So, once I pass my safety course, with my cert. in hand, down i go to my local Walmart where I can buy as many semi-automatic f#$%ing weapons as my bank account will allow me to buy.

      Maybe I wasn't nuts when I bought them. Maybe I was. No one will ever know. Maybe I'm not nuts now. Just a pissed off loser, mad at the world who has decided to end it all and take as many with me as possible.

      It doesn't matter.

      The end result is the same. I'm going to walk into a public place legally armed to the teeth with weapons that can fire hundreds of rounds in a minute or two, with extended mags, and lots of them (all legal too), and I'm going to kill dozens of my fellow citizens because I have a constitutional right to as many goddamned weapons as I can carry.

      So, $%& you and every other "right to bear arms" apologist out there. There is no rational reason in the 21st C for a citizen to own or posses semi-automatic weapons of any kind - regardless of what you want to call them.

      (Just to be clear, "I" am not going to do any of these things. Given the day, it needed to be made clear)

      •  No (1+ / 0-)
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        raincrow

        A semi automatic does not fire 100s of rounds in a minute or two.

        Here's a wiki-clue to start you on your journey:

        Semi-automatic firearm

        The usage of the term automatic may vary according to context. Gun specialists point out that the word automatic is sometimes misunderstood to mean fully automatic fire when used to refer to a self-loading, semi-automatic firearm not capable of fully automatic fire. In this case, automatic refers to the loading mechanism, not the firing capability.

        The term "automatic pistol" almost exclusively refers to a semi-automatic (i.e. not fully automatic) pistol. With handguns, the term "automatic" is commonly used to distinguish semi-automatic pistols from revolvers. The term "auto-loader" may also be used to describe a semi-automatic handgun. However, the term "automatic rifle" may mean a rifle capable of fully automatic fire. Both uses of the term "automatic" can be found; the exact meaning must be determined from context.

        •  keewatinrose - "guns capable of killing many with (1+ / 0-)
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          annecros

          the simple press of the trigger". Each of the guns used in this tragedy fires a single round with the press of the trigger. One round for each trigger pull, that's what makes them "semi-automatic". Each time you pull the trigger one bullet is fired and a new round it chambered, but you much pull the trigger again to fire the chambered round. None of these were automatic weapons where a trigger pull can fire an entire magazine of bullets.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:49:05 PM PST

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        •  Seriously? that's your nit pick? (1+ / 0-)
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          Mark Mywurtz

          A Glock 17 holds 17 rounds which may be discharged at a rate of 1-3 rounds per second.

          Practical rate of fire is 40 rpm.

          The Sig Sauer P226 holds 15 rounds with a similar rate of fire.

          Together, that would give a shooter 80 rpm. In two minutes, that's 160 rounds.

          More than enough to slaughter 20 unarmed 5 yr olds and a few teachers.

          Go $%^& yourself.

    •  Yes. Once again, it's never ever about the guns (0+ / 0-)

      Let's keep arguing semantics like a Philadelphia lawyer after one mass murder event after another. As long as we keep debating technicalities and definitions and never talk about the flat-out madness of America's crazy love affair with lethal weapons, nothing will change.

      "Die Hard 18: Kindergarten Kops"

  •  The early reporting on the TV suggests that there (0+ / 0-)

    was a shooting in his home before he went to the school to shoot his mother who taught there.

  •  I heard two HANDGUNS, and 2 rifles in the car. (0+ / 0-)

    I thought he used two handguns to do the killings.

    "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

    by FoodChillinMFr on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:04:17 PM PST

  •  I'm hearing (1+ / 0-)
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    raincrow

    that the rifle (not an assault weapon) was left in the car outside and two pistols were brought in. That's the only thing I have heard from officials that maybe you have confused with "magazines and guns capable of killing many with a simple press of the trigger"

    I think maybe you should inform yourself before posting this sort of thing.

    Any gun that is not fully automatic or a revolver, is classified as semi-automatic.

    And yeah, I would imagine that it would have seemed like "100s" of rounds to those in the situation.

    Prayers for the victims families.

    •  I can't find any information (0+ / 0-)

      on the number of rounds those 2 handguns held.  

      One thing I know for sure--the number is much higher than the bag limit on any large game I can imagine.  No reason to produce these things.  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:43:20 PM PST

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  •  It does not matter what was used to do the damage (3+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, raincrow, SpotTheCat

    what matters is that the damage was done.

    Give blood. Play hockey.

    by flycaster on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:19:57 PM PST

  •  I am not shocked. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:42:31 PM PST

  •  Because madness and massacre are uncommon (1+ / 0-)
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    annecros

    in the vast majority of our country, for which I am mindful and deeply grateful even on this unspeakably sad and wrenching day.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:01:15 PM PST

  •  Weapons used in the massacre (0+ / 0-)

    Click HERE to see the guns used.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:34:35 PM PST

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