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This is just barely a diary but I wonder....the wing nuts have made it their life's work to shame women, doctors and Planned Parenthood for the "killing" of embryos. Why doesn't the left start doing the same to the NRA? Military assault weapons in the hands of untrained individuals are responsible for the deaths of countless actual living human beings every day. Why isn't this a source of shame for the NRA who advocates for no gun restrictions whatsoever? Why aren't we making it a point to starve the NRA of membership and therefore lobbying funds? The only way to stop the influence of the NRA is to shame their members into no longer supporting the insane leadership of that organization.

Just my two cents.


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  •  Because... (5+ / 0-)
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    Troubadour, beltane, Sue B, sfbob, Farugia

    the NRA has no shame.

    •  It's not about shame (0+ / 0-)

      It's about defeating them — and we did.

      Read this:

      Planned Parenthood was universes more successful in the November elections than the NRA, which pretty much struck out. People need to stop being intimidated by them, like my congresswoman who even voted against a campaign finance reform bill, a cause she believes in passionately, because it carved out a special exception for the NRA. She is a strong proponent of sane gun control. BTW that police shooting last week with 137 bullets fired at two unarmed people — that was in our congressional district.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:38:02 PM PST

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  •  They have no shame 'cause they aren't human (1+ / 0-)
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    (R's) take those tired memes and shove 'em, Denise Velez Oliver, 11/7/2012.

    by a2nite on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:26:09 PM PST

  •  That's a pretty damn good question. (4+ / 0-)

    I'm rec'ing it just for the fact that you asked. I have seen a lot of diaries today where posters have called the NRA and gotten no real good response.

    So, I dunno, my guess is that "they have no shame". So while "shaming them" might be useless, maybe we can start shaming our friends and family who are supporting them. That beast has to be starved, and soon. They're no longer about "advocacy for owners", they're about scaring the shit out of the country. And that's just wrong.

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:26:15 PM PST

    •  They.... (5+ / 0-)

      ....seem to have morphed into a terrorist supporting organization in the past few years. What good American would want to be associated with such a group?

      •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)

        I've supported the Second Amendment all my life, but this bullshit about "gun grabs" and "slippery slopes" is just that--bullshit. There has got to be a balance somewhere. And we can find it, if the NRA would just shut the fuck up long enough to let the rest of us have this necessary, literally life-and-death discussion.

        If you want to be a gun collector so you can have that really neat WWII era submachine gun, there should be minimum storage standards.  

        If you want to be an owner--a legitimate owner, using guns for protection, you better be trained, thoroughly and you better have to renew/test every couple of years--and someone better be psych-evaluating you at least once a year. And if you fail, you lose your guns until you can show that you're sane again.

        And if you're military or police, you oughta get psych-evaluated several times a year, given the mass quantity of stress you're under, every hour of every day.

        And goddammit, but it is time to put some controls on these traveling gun-show circuses.

        I mean, these are things that we can TALK about. But the NRA thinks they can stop the talking? Fuck them. Seriously. I was a card-carrying member for years, but their attitudes and public statements after Columbine cured me--once upon a time, the NRA was pretty useful. No more.  

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:40:12 PM PST

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  •  These people love their guns more (0+ / 0-)

    than they love their own children.  You cannot shame a pervert so deranged as to think their obsession with instruments of death is the highest morality.

    In Roviet Union, money spends YOU.

    by Troubadour on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:26:58 PM PST

  •  one critical design flaw: (1+ / 0-)
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    advocates for more gun control will have a hard time coming up with equivalent strategies compared to the most extreme tactics used by the anti-choice forced-birthers.

    because in the extreme, what the forced-birthers are doing isn't "shaming." it's murder. it's domestic terrorism.

    aside from that, i could not agree more just what a worthwhile goal it is, and how terrific it would be, to find a way to just take the NRA right the f*ck out at the knees.

    "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

    by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:30:42 PM PST

    •  And.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....the NRA isn't a domestic terrorist group as well? If this question was openly voiced in public, NRA membership would crash....

      •  well. no. (3+ / 0-)
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        look, i can't stand them, i think their reasoning / excuses are consistently specious and disingenuous, and they are a completely non-constructive presence in american politics.

        but, no, i think making the case for the nra as a "domestic terrorist group" is a total non-starter.

        "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

        by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:37:28 PM PST

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        •  They support.... (0+ / 0-)

          ....putting weapons of mass destruction in the hands of lunatics. Why is this not the epitome of a terrorist organization?

          •  ok, we're done here. (0+ / 0-)
            they support putting weapons of mass destruction in the hands of lunatics.
            to repeat my stance: the NRA can blow me.

            but that, right there, is raw, unbridled hyperbole. which, imho, is NOT what is called for today. ymmv, but i'm done here.

            "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

            by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:47:17 PM PST

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          •  cls - comparing a semi-automatic assault (1+ / 0-)
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            weapon with chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons is complete nonsense. The term "weapons of mass destruction" has a specific meaning and that meaning does not include hand held semi-automatic rifles. The President has committed the US to engage in Syria if the government uses "weapons of mass destruction". Would you favor using your description for that conflict as well?

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:27:16 PM PST

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            •  Oh yes.... (0+ / 0-)

              ...the left only should speak in sensible, non-inflammatory language because the nuts NEVER speak in hyoerbolic terms. Yes, I'll remember that in future. Oh, and thank you for pointing out the fallacy of my argument. I feel so badly about it, I will never challenge the righteousness of the NRA cause again. It would be ill-mannered. We can't have that.

            •  How about weapons of mass murder? (1+ / 0-)
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              WMDs implies complete destruction of both people and property over a vast area in a very short amount of time.  

              Weapons of mass murder kill large numbers of people in a generally more enclosed / smaller area.  

              Assault rifles, large magazines - who the hell actually needs a 100 round magazine for ANYTHING, unless you're on the ground in Afghanistan?  

              Get the assault weapons ban back, start gun buy backs again.  Require a tax on ammo and to show ID for recording keeping of who is buying ammo, and how much.  Ammo sellers should file reports on how much they are selling and if they see the same ID popping up repeatedly, it should be flagged.  We've all got a right to privacy, but it's like free speech - you can't yell fire in a crowded building - there have to be some regulations that keep us from hurting each other with our rights and thinking we can just do whatever we want.  

              With rights come responsibilities.  Regulations don't violate my rights to keep a gun, if I'm willing to acknowledge that most people would want to know if I, as their neighbor, was stockpiling.  If I'm not a cop or in the military, do I need 10,000 rounds of ammo?

              If I'm a target shooter and I need more than some established maximum before I get reported, I should be willing to accept that and report that I need to practice for the Olympics so I need to buy 500 bullets a week - or something.  If you have a gun where you have to clean up your brass after shooting, you should have to turn that brass in for recycling and to get another box of bullets.  Yes, I've used up all my bullets, here is my brass (or my nickel casings), now I need another box of bullets... yeah, reloaders will be ticked, but tax them, too - tax all parts of all kinds of ammo - balls, shells, powder, brass or nickel casings... whether you're a re-enactor with a musket or somebody with a Lady Glock.  Police departments can get a sales tax waiver from the state.  

              Permits should be renewable more often than they are now (in Florida it's every 5 years).  If a registered gun owner with permits fails to renew, I want the Sheriff's department to find out why.  Did they move away?  Did they die?  If they died, where are their guns?  

              I inherited my dad's guns and to this day, 5 years later, with his CWP expired 4 years ago, not one damn person has contacted either me or my mother to find out where dad's guns are - they're not even in the same county any more.  I don't have a permit and I haven't felt any urge to get one.  They are just locked up and put away.  But I think I will call the PD tomorrow and find out how I can register them, so they know I have them and where they are.  And I'll inform the Sheriff's department in my dad's county, whether they want to know or not, that I have them now.  They're just .38 pistols - not semi-automatics, not assault rifles.  They hold 6 bullets each and I have to pop them open and push out the casings to reload.  

              But they need to be registered - if I'm going to demand more regulation, then I need to be willing to step up and comply with it - there has to be a balance between my right to privacy and my right to bear arms - if I have to give up some info and comply with some regulations to balance those rights, that's what I have to do.

              I also have the right to give up my guns and keep everything about my life private by not having to give up info or comply with rules because I own guns.  But that's the choice I need to make - which right do I place more importance on and which right gets pushed around a little so that whichever rights I'm exercising aren't infringing on the rights of others.  I am not alone on this planet - if I'm any kind of human being, I have to consider the rights of others, just as they should be considering mine.  

              "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

              by Ricochet67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:21:41 PM PST

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    •  In theory (0+ / 0-)

      The practical extreme tactic is to harass the NRA in the hopes of provoking a disproportionate over-reaction.

      Of course, that over-reaction may result in people dying, but creating martyrs is a good strategy, in theory.

      •  ooof. (1+ / 0-)
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        tough bit of ends / means justification right there.


        Of course, that over-reaction may result in people dying, but creating martyrs is a good strategy, in theory.
        well, yeah, but good theory and good practice don't always align so neatly ...

        "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

        by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:52:13 PM PST

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  •  Flawed premise and ignoring the facts (1+ / 0-)
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    the wing nuts have made it their life's work to shame women, doctors and Planned Parenthood for the "killing" of embryos.
    And yet women continue to seek abortions, doctors continue to perform them, and people continue to donate to and work for planned parenthood.

    The terrorist actions of forced-birthers can not produce shame. Some religious groups use shame to manipulate vulnerable people.

    In no way, shape, or form, should the left attempt to replicate those strategies.  Those strategies are wrong, and they are ineffective.

    Accountability has to come from the voters, who demand our local leaders, state representatives, Congressional delgations, to take up the issue. We have to let elected politicians know we will support them when they do.

    Until we have more voters than the "fear industry" we can not blame our elected leaders for this state of affairs.

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