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Someone please tell me again why Bushmaster 223's are on the streets in America?

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  •  get these weapons off the streets now!!!!!!!!!!!!! (5+ / 0-)
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    Anak, DavidW, cachola, sukeyna, Annalize5
  •  They are on the street because of... (6+ / 0-)

    "I am a responsible gun owner!" (I'm sure Nancy Lanza uttered that phrase a few times...)

    "If you outlaw guns then only criminals will have guns!" (and that would make law  enforcement easy...)

    "If you ban assualt weapons, then they will come after my hunting rifle next!"

    "Got a gun, in fact I got two.  But that's OK man, 'cos I love God!" (props to Pearl Jam for that one...)

    How many dead bodies are worth someones percieved right to own a weapon like that?

  •  Because it's an inalienable right? (2+ / 0-)
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    FoodChillinMFr, DavidW

  •  They're on the streets (9+ / 0-)

    Because they make the goober in the video feel powerful.  And that apparently trumps the right of the rest of us to not be slaughtered by one of these hideous weapons.

    you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

    by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:33:30 AM PST

  •  A guy argue that those aren't really automatic (5+ / 0-)

    with me.

    That video say's they are way too close to automatic, whether they technically are or not.

    The Gov of Conn has said they are and that the mfg's get around the law by classifying them as something they aren't...............

    •  I want to know as well (0+ / 0-)

      I thought "semi-automatic" meant you had to pull the trigger once per shot. You mean to tell me that trigger is so (pardon the expression) hair-trigger that those shooters can pull it that fast? Jeebus cripes...

      It's not a "fiscal cliff," it's a Fiscal Bluff--so why don't we call them on it?

      by Uncle Cosmo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:48:06 PM PST

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  •  Because There's A Market (0+ / 0-)

    People exist who will buy these types of guns and therefore the weapon's sellers have been able to keep the market open by buying politicians.  Clearly, such guns have limited use for almost anything, being too small to hunt big game like deer or elk and too small to hunt critters and varmints.  Historically, the weapons used for deer, elk, caribou and such were in the 6.5mm (.255 cal) to 8mm (.314 cal) range.  Americans happened to use 0.30 cal because that's what chambered the Springfield rifle the American army selected at the turn of the last century as its principal firearm.  Varmint hunters usually chose rim-fire .22 cal weapons, which fired a much lighter bullet at slower velocities.  Some people just need to feel that they could go toe-to-toe with Rambo and a seller exists to satisfy that need.  We might as well argue that we ought to also just stop the war on drugs or any vice because in a free booter society only the existence of a market should determine if it's to be allowed.

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:35:20 AM PST

    •  actually (0+ / 0-)

      there wasn't much of a market for them until Congress started trying to ban them.

      It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

      by happymisanthropy on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:04:12 PM PST

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      •  Ancient History (0+ / 0-)

        Congress hasn't tried to ban them for at least a decade.  How come the market then still exists.  No, the market always existed for them.  It's just gotten worse because the pant-wetters have become excited.

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:36:51 PM PST

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  •  for a comparison, here is an M-16 firing (1+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy

    An M-16 is the militarized version of the .223

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    You may have to watch the way the "hulls" are "shucked" to appreciate the rapidity of the fire

  •  I own many guns. But, I am not crazy, I hope (0+ / 0-)

    As a child my father would come home for lunch, at times, and most of the time for dinner.  He was a cop.  He had a pistol and he carefully placed it out of reach.  Carefully.

    Being about four years old I was envious and wanted a gun of my own.  I was presented with a war souvenir from Germany.  An antique cap and ball dragoon pistol.  I have many child hood pictures of my cousins an I playing with 'my pistol' and I still have it, although I gave it to my son years ago.  He has it now.

    I now have many historic firearms, most I have never fired.  I am fascinated with the design and function changes over the decades.  Every five years or so I dig them out and oil them.

    This includes machine guns.  For the most part they are too expensive to shoot.  

    Usually, I use them for lectures at museums or veterans groups.  They have value but little use.

    I am bored with gun shows now.  They offer little but the AR15 knockoff semi-automatic assault rifles.  Not historic and certainly not very interesting.

    I also agree that too many people have firearms who do not need to have them.  Too many mentally ill people are obtaining them.  

    If you really want to be frightened, go to a gun show on Sunday afternoon.  The ATF agents are watching football at home and the thugs are there with their girlfriend of the moment buying weapons in her name.

  •  I read also that there are over 5000 (0+ / 0-)

    Barrett 0.50 caliber sniper rifles in private hands in this country. Bullet-proof limos mean nothing to these beasts. A bullet fired from a Barrett can pass right through the average house and then some.

    We just have to get the magazine capacities down on weapons like this, lengthen the waiting period, reduce the number of guns that can be legally owned - 47 is about 45 too many - require an applicant for purchase to be endorsed by 2 other people with no criminal record, and make owners of guns legally liable for what gets done with their guns (if they aren't already).

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:51:13 AM PST

    •  I was consulted on a .50 round wound a while back. (5+ / 0-)

      A woman was hit in the leg with a .50 round at the local race track about five or six years ago.

      A Sheriff's deputy called me and asked about where the bullet might have come from.

      I am not an expert but I have fired many guns, automatic weapons included, and artillery pieces.  So, his question was not a surprise to me.

      A .50 bullet may travel many miles.  I shoot them only on military ranges or locations with at least three miles of open land without homes or such in front of the bullets.  In other words, west Texas.

      I offered up a question to the deputy.  Was she alive?  A .50 round is handy for sniping as a hit anywhere will either kill or hopelessly maim the target, if it is within range.  He said it was a flesh wound in the thigh.  I told him the shooter must have been more than five miles away and the .50 round had spent most of its energy.

      Two days later a shooter called the Sheriff's office to report he had been about four miles away shooting into a berm on a pond.  The round probably had penetrated the berm and continued till it went through the roof of the trailer and hit the woman in the leg.  She was lucky it had spent its energy.

      There is no known civilian use for a Barrett .50.

      •  Admiral Kimmel had a similar experience. (0+ / 0-)

        I had never seen the detail presented in this Wiki, but had read of the incident in a couple of serious histories of Pearl Harbor.

        Edwin T. Layton related that during the attack "Kimmel stood by the window of his office at the submarine base, his jaw set in stony anguish. As he watched the disaster across the harbor unfold with terrible fury, a spent .50 caliber machine gun bullet crashed through the glass. It brushed the admiral before it clanged to the floor. It cut his white jacket and raised a welt on his chest. "It would have been merciful had it killed me," Kimmel murmured to his communications officer

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:23:01 PM PST

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    •  limos, including the pres's beast? really? (0+ / 0-)

      Please say it's safe, or else I will spend the combined Second Inaugural/MLK day on my knees in prayer....and I am not Christian...

      "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

      by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:24:40 PM PST

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    •  Very, very few people fire more than one gun (0+ / 0-)

      at a time.

      The hunter with a .410 for dove, a .20 for grouse, a .12 for duck, a .223 for rabbit, a .270 for deer, and a .30-06 for moose is not a problem.

      The raw number of guns a person owns isn't relevant.

      What matters is what those guns are for, whether the person who owns them has a clean record, whether they're storing them properly, whether they've been trained to handle them safely, whether they're registered, and whether or not they are better classified as destructive devices.  http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      This place needs a PVP server.

      by JesseCW on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:44:18 PM PST

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  •  I also like Daniel Moynihan's idea (4+ / 0-)

    of just making ammunition much more tightly controlled. By banning the manufacture and sale of certain caliber bullets, you could make certain weapons obsolete to a great extent.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:55:25 AM PST

  •  Is the problem the gun, or the size of the ammo (5+ / 0-)

    clip?

    I'm not a gun expert. But it seems to me that ANY gun with a large clip is the real problem.

    What if we made it be a felony to possess a clip with more than, say, 6 rounds?  This would force the nuts to reload often, giving people a chance to stop them.

    And if you can't kill your deer with 6 shots, you have no business hunting.

  •  Cerberus Capital Management makes a lot of $ (0+ / 0-)

    They even hired some GOP critters to build their gun sales lobby and firing off these military style weapons is a cheap thrill. I want some pseudo-psychoanalysis of the financiers and their gun lobbyists.

  •  Looks like Florida. (0+ / 0-)

    He is practicing to stand his ground.

  •  What about limiting sale body armour? (1+ / 0-)
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    Dem Beans

    Apparently NPR had a spot on Friday by a Police type saying first their trained for negotiations with shooters, then after Columbines with Swat teams, and now, with shooters wearing body armour, they can only hope for them to commit suicide before they kill the cops who go in for them.

    The 2nd amendement does not protect the right to wear bullet repelling armour?

    Right now the legislation only forbid the sale of that armour to those previously convicted of violent felonies and with records of mental problems, which SCOTUS upheld, Thomas and one other dissenting...

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:28:55 PM PST

    •  Pizza delivery guys were the *reason* the modern (0+ / 0-)

      bullet resistant vest was developed.

      I'm not kidding.

      There's a shitload of folks other than the 1 or 2 criminals a year who go on a rampage who have entirely legitimate reasons to own body armor.

      This place needs a PVP server.

      by JesseCW on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:34:50 PM PST

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  •  Try this one out (0+ / 0-)

    http://youtu.be/...

    Go to the 8:23 mark and watch what a weapon like this does to objects when they're hit. Then imagine it's a young child that gets hit. It's sickening.

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