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I'm going to spin off another diary that opens the big can of worms! Nancy Lanza Not Just "Gun Enthusiast" - updated

There’s been some level of mystery about just why Adam Lanza’s first victim, Nancy Lanza, had such a stock of weapons, particularly military style weapons like the .223 Bushmaster, the weapon we now know was actually used in the killings. She wasn’t just into guns. She was apparently stocked up for when the economy collapses and when everyone’s on their own with their guns.
 This makes me very ambiguous about those I have been calling "paranoid" because they so desperately believe they need guns.  I still think guns are a sick solution to what might be a more real impending problem than we are willing to come to grips with.  Read on below and we can explore this together.

Jim Coffman and I just coauthored a book that spells it out in some detail: Our new book: "Global Insanity" is out. I hope you like it!.  Our scenareo for the future is not unique.  The prognosis just from climate change has been discussed over and over again.  The economic distress and resultant conflicts are not unimaginable.  The inability of government to handle what is coming is a real possibility.

So we can sort out the scenarios that are motivating people to come up with really bad answers to a very real possibility.  Economic collapse as mentioned above is a paranoid prediction of the anti-Obama wingnuts.  Economic collapse and conflict as a result of the yet poorly understood consequences of climate change are another story.

Our book tries to see the world system as a complex interacting whole.  We trace the origins of the denial and political impotency that got us here and these things are very real.  Our faith in the capitalist system is part of the problem.  The people who run that system have no loyalty to anyone but themselves.  They, for example are quite ready to put guns in the hands of anyone who can pay the price and feed their profits.  They have no national loyalty and are as global as can be when they consider how to expand their exploitation.

As we watch workers struggle for simple rights and for way to make a decent living we must feel the frustration and the insecurity.  Having a job today means a far far less secure life than in my dad's time.  

Is it possible that the system will collapse?  I think it is.  It sure shows no signs of being able to function at this moment.  So is fear about the future paranoid?  I think not.  Are guns the solution?  I think not.  But, I, for one, will die rather than take up arms again.  My service as an officer in the USMC taught me things about myself that I'll never forget.  I will not arm myself again.  But I am the odd one.  All my fellow Marines and service people were taught to kill as a solution to problems.  This was our government's lesson to us.  I learned to kill with my bare hands!  How do you reverse a lesson like this?  If there is a collapse and some form of chaos what do you think people will do?  The answer is clear for our society breeds killing each other as a "solution" to problems on a very significant scale and people die every day because of this.

We have become a society of denial.  Yet the facts are overwhelming.  You really do not need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing!

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People are apt to arm themselves

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  •  Tip Jar (21+ / 0-)

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:01:20 PM PST

  •  I see too many survivalists (5+ / 0-)

    who see it as "me against the world" and that is very concerning. In a similar vein, I saw the intro to a TV show recently wherein the US had lost its power grid and people were struggling for survival, "the cities" being the most brutal places of all. I tend to doubt that it would happen this way since people in cities are used to the idea that we are interdependent, but the show must indulge some wingnut fantasy.

    Stay fired up: now is the time to focus on downticket change! #Forward

    by emidesu on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:14:04 PM PST

    •  that show was the suck- (5+ / 0-)

      Wasted a couple of hours of my life on it, which I will never get back. A total wingnut-a-thon, clearly created by suburbanoids with no concept of cities aside from stereotypes.
      Personally, I feel much safer in the city, in a neighborhood where I see and know my neighbors.

      •  That was my impression- (2+ / 0-)
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        ssgbryan, Lonely Texan

        I was so turned off by the suggestion that cities would be terrible violent places to go through a crisis that I couldn't watch.
        I'm in a near suburb now, but I lived in the inner city for a long time. People were very friendly and neighborly.

        Stay fired up: now is the time to focus on downticket change! #Forward

        by emidesu on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:01:01 PM PST

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        •  Sure, fed people are friendly. (2+ / 0-)
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          don mikulecky, ER Doc

          Go without food for three days and see how friendly people are.
          Go without coffee, and see how friendly people are.
          Go without cigarettes, and see how friendly people are.

          If you've got the livestock, like a plow horse or an ox, you can feed a family if you have forty acres of cropland. That's roughly forty football fields.

          If we've got a crippling blow to the infrastructure where gasoline is not available, then the food trucks don't roll into the cities in anywhere near the flow that is needed, so people start to go hungry. Again, go three days and see how neighborly people become.

          Oh, hey, think back just a short while to the newscasts after hurricane sandy, about three days after the storm left the NYC area. Didn't you see the people so stressed that some of them were at the threshold of screaming into the camera?

          Three days. About nine meals. That's what separates the so-called 'civilized' city dweller from those most basic physical requirements.... Food Is Life.

          So in that show named Revolution, when the electricity stopped and cars weren't bringing any more food to the densely populated cities, and the water didn't flow from the faucet anymore.... Of course those people were suddenly reintroduced to the fact that their continued physical existence depended on their ability to fight for food and water.

          I want to put a gun to the head of every fucking RKBA asshole on this site. - Winston Sm1th

          by JayFromPA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:54:27 PM PST

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          •  People severely affected by Sandy (2+ / 0-)
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            don mikulecky, myboo

            and worse incidents have banded together and functioned as human beings. Otherwise we wouldn't have 7 billion people on this planet. We take a lot of things for granted and most of us live admittedly soft lives, but we are capable of surmounting horrendous conditions. Do some people lose it? Of course. Some people lose it under normal circumstances.

            Stay fired up: now is the time to focus on downticket change! #Forward

            by emidesu on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:16:26 PM PST

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  •  If there is an economic collapse... (5+ / 0-)

    ...what prevails is neighbors helping neighbors.  It's also "locavore" communities.  And perhaps the Occupy Wall Street movement.

    Their vision is closer to the Mad Max scenario.  Not for me.

    But I understand their myopia.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:16:36 PM PST

  •  The coming neo-tribalism (6+ / 0-)

    One would have thought that the opening of lines of communication would have led to fewer differences between us.

    Sadly it seems to be that people are becoming more and more fearful of the "Other".  

    One thing I do recommend if you haven't read it is a book by Lt. Col Dave Grossman "On Killing".  What's interesting is the personal reactions that segments of the population have to being trained to kill.

    It's frightening to me that the knowledge of how to kill in our society is so often decoupled with the coping mechanisms that have been in place for centuries to ensure it is not used randomly.

    Just my opinion as a fellow Vet.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:16:39 PM PST

  •  This sort of senseless violence does not (3+ / 0-)
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    don mikulecky, jan4insight, Chi

    Help.  Instead, if we worry about a future post dramatic damage caused by climate change, we should think about how to act locally as communities.  Thinking about how to be a vigilante is just nuts.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:44:50 PM PST

  •  Preindustrial Carrying Capacity of This Country is (4+ / 0-)

    quite low. I've seen estimates as high as 100 million Natives pre contact though I don't recall if that includes or excludes modern day Canada. And that was after they'd had thousands of years to adapt to this territory and, we have lately learned, turn much of it into a vast low tech garden which also contained vast herds of game that are now gone.

    There would be a mass dieoff on the order of magnitude of half or so. It depends on how much infrastructure remains and how much ad hoc cooperation can be set up and sustained.

    Half the pilgrims died within their first few months here, and we being thrown into an environment as stripped of resources we're adapted to as they were, wouldn't fare much better.

    Few in urban and inner suburban areas has enough land to support themselves. Things would get pretty grim for the majority of our population who live in such settings.

    I take it as the default expectation that ownership expects and plans on a thinning of the herd at some point. Not all leadership; but some, maybe those with the most say. In any case enough ownership does. They make their billions from the same science that informs us.

    Another question is how much longer ownership can manage the controlled disintegration they've already run for 45 years.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:20:43 PM PST

  •  too many rats in the cage, not enough (4+ / 0-)

    food, water, land or resources.   biosphere in collapse, society following suit.    It's actually pretty simple to understand, isn't it?

  •  When the end comes, the majority of Americans (1+ / 0-)
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    don mikulecky

    will go apeshit. Price of gas goes up to $15/gal or food prices rise 1000% , it will be over.

    Guns will help some people for a short while, but not for long. Eventually people will resort to cannibalism and the last few will die of thirst or disease from polluted water.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah everyone!!

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:34:29 PM PST

  •  Poll...nope. (0+ / 0-)

    The reason people think they need guns is that they are assholes.
    They KNOW they are assholes.
    They know they have treated their fellow men badly and FEAR (what they know would be deserved) retribution.
    Retribution makes sense to them because that is what they would seek.  

    OF COURSE they don't make sense; they're assholes!

    Some for the Glories of This World; and some Sigh for the Prophet's Paradise to come; Ah, take the Cash, and let the Credit go, Nor heed the rumble of a distant Drum!

    by jestbill on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:44:48 PM PST

  •  I must admit, as an aging pessimist, I have (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc

    considered buying a weapon and a bunch of ammo. I really do fear I will see the day Americans are fighting over food and water.

  •  US Intelligence Community Came Out of Shadows (2+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc, AllisonInSeattle

    The Visible Government
    How the U.S. Intelligence Community Came Out of the Shadows

    Tom Ehglehardt notes that in 1964 we found out about "The Invisible Government" and it was shocking. Now it is out in the open.

    A long article that catalogs the growth of the security state which is now out in the open. The movie Zero Dark Thirty puts CIA on center stage.

    This article should be a major discussion topic here on DK today, but it looks like guns and better democrats will continue to dominate the discussion.

    The 99% have the public military and the security state military to control the rest of us.

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/...

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