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  • A headline from The Onion that isn't in the least bit funny and sadly feels like it could be true:
    'Right To Live Life In Complete, Stunned Horror,' Added To Constitution
  • Really? No one saw a problem with this?
    Newspaper edition of South Carolina's Rock Hill Herald that features stories on Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and a giant ad for guns
  • Gun owners speak out—includes this from last July, but important to remember today (and every day):
    Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes to U.S. gun laws. The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and keep Americans safe.
  • I'm not a Bloomberg fan but this is funny (and oh so true):

    Bloomberg on Gohmert: "You know, there are people who say dumb things. And then there are people who say stupid things."
    @IsaacDovere via web
  • And on a happier note (click for image):
    Congratulations to U.S. Marine Corps captain Matthew Phelps, who proposed to his partner Ben Schock in the White House over the weekend.

    Wrote Phelps: "Such a special night surrounded by wonderful people in an amazing place, and the best is still yet to come with Ben Schock. Thanks for all the wonderful greetings and messages, and thanks to Barack Obama and Michelle Obama for lending us your home for the occasion!"

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  •  Bushmaster and Glock (3+ / 0-)
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    kitebro, AlyoshaKaramazov, SoCaliana

    Official   weapon of Mass Murder in America

    •  Mass Murders not Massacre (0+ / 0-)

      It is and will be:

      Mass Murder
      Everyone should began and continue to use the proper term.

      These are "MASS MURDERS!"

      Put on the backs of the GOP and NRA to support "MASS MURDERS and MURDERER!"

      Stop letting them soft-petal the "MURDERS!"

  •  National Review: Newtown is the price we must pay (5+ / 0-)
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    kitebro, DRo, Phil S 33, SoCaliana, greendem
    The practical consequence of living for nearly two-and-a-half centuries under the almost universally benevolent protection of the Second Amendment is a society in which there are hundreds of millions of guns, in which 47 percent of families and nearly as many Democrats as Republicans own guns, and in which the dissent over the sacrosanctity of gun rights is heard largely because of the overrepresentation in the media of the coastal, urban Left. Those upset with the order of things are welcome to try, and doomed to fail, to repeal the Second Amendment via the constitutional process. But the guns of America aren’t going anywhere any time soon, and generic calls to “do something” — even insofar as doing something is desirable — must reckon with this fact.

    On Friday, the president promised “meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.” We doubt that something like this is possible, in a way consistent with the principle and the fact of the Second Amendment. If the possibility of terrors like Newtown are a reminder of why we need politics, their reality is a reminder that politics can do only so much.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    ....for Freedom® .

  •  don't let the crazies (0+ / 0-)

    here about this use for the wh, they will come unglued and the conspiracy theories will be numerous, but then again anything that upsets the bigots (aka cons) in america is a good thing, thanks mr & mrs o for holding this occasion in the peoples house where all people should feel comfortable and welcome.

  •  From a story on some Newtown residents who (6+ / 0-)

    DO like guns, etc....All sounds pretty sad...

    “If you’re good old boys like we are, they are exciting,” he said. He said he was distraught at the school massacre but said guns should not be made the “scapegoat.”

    “Guns are why we’re free in this country, and people lose sight of that when tragedies like this happen,” he said. “A gun didn’t kill all those children, a disturbed man killed all those children.”

    (I lost the link..)
    •  No, but a disturbed man said this (4+ / 0-)

      He forgets the part where a disturbed man with a cache of military-grade assault rifles and ammo killed those children.

      Anyone who thinks that guns keep us free should be disqualified from owning one. Not legally, of course, but certainly morally.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:25:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Demonize the disagreement (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, make him a disturbed evil person.

        Heaven forbid someone DISAGREE.

        •  These people ARE evil (0+ / 0-)

          There are sins of commission and sins of omission.

          If you agree with this shitbag then you're clearly on the wrong site. Being against any gun control has officially become unallowed.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:40:53 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Polarization (0+ / 0-)

            Which is exactly what's wrong with our country today.

            You can't expect to run roughshod over the millions of Americans who own guns and get anywhere.

            Civil debate starts from both sides, try it.

            •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

              You want to side with people who think it's ok for psychopaths to have access to assault weapons, go to RedState--which btw isn't too keen on promoting this nonsense these days. I call bullshit on your false equivalence "both sides do it" idiocy and silly attempt to hide behind legitimate gun owners who own legitimate firearms for legitimate reasons. What's wrong with our country is not people who want to ban guns that no one who's not in law enforcement, security or the military should have, but people who want that to stay legal.

              There's only one legitimate side in this debate. Don't give me that civility crap. I'm supposed to care about the feelings of people who obviously don't care about the lives of children?!? They're not worth my civility.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 01:27:12 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  USA, the World's Sole Democracy eh? nt (1+ / 0-)
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      Jackson L Haveck

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:36:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  t as is sort of like... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Cabela's sending out ads in Illinois with a sale of 'gun toteing mama's' concealed carry purses for sale in Illinois, a state where ,for now, concealed carry is illegal.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:11:12 PM PST

  •  I wonder? (1+ / 0-)
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    kovie

    If the NRA is convulsing through internal dissent and disarray right now?

    Plus, I think that they were caught flat-footed, being on a Friday afternoon, when many people were itching to leave the office and some already had snuck off for the weekend.

    Then there's the possibility that the NRA is stuck finding on some PR spin that has so far eluded them.

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:12:02 PM PST

    •  I predict some expose stories coming out soon (4+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude, SoCaliana, belle1, Gooserock

      that reveal the NRA to be little more than a front group lobbying for gun, ammo and accessory makers and helping the GOP get votes. Which is clearly what it is these days. It stopped representing the legitimate needs of legitimate gun owners years ago. It's a front group for rich and powerful special interests, no different from ATR, Heritage, AEI or Cato. It's part of the corporate RWNM.

      When they come out, it will further damage its credibility and power.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:22:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  where DOES their money come from/ (1+ / 0-)
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        Stude Dude

        they're non-profit, right?

        Do they have to list their donors?

        And can it be proven that it's all just a quid-pro-quo arrangement?  If so, then they don't deserve their non-profit status.


        "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:39:02 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Directly, I'm guessing member dues (1+ / 0-)
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          Stude Dude

          Indirectly, it's so easy to get other sources of funding, e.g. "sharing" resources with gun firms, being "invited" to have a presence at an industry-sponsored gun show or to "attend" an industry "retreat" at some 5-star resort.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:43:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Can I at least have gun information? I'm not (3+ / 0-)
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    Phil S 33, SoCaliana, wintergreen8694

    counting on much in terms of gun control.  An assault rifle ban would be nice to have again, but guns are not going away in America.  

    As an alternative to taking away other people's guns, can I just have a list of the people who have them?  I'd like to know if my child is playing at a home where guns are present.  I've had a few neighbors who speak in incediary frightening terms.  It would be nice to know whether or not they possessed firearms.  I might engage with them less, etc...

    Is it too much to ask to just allow me to make an informed choice, and alert me to possible danger?

    "There's been a little complication with my complication"

    by dash888 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:18:05 PM PST

  •  Snyder in Mich. getting nervous.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Over the Edge
  •  Including Repubs, including gun owners (2+ / 0-)
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    Phil S 33, wintergreen8694

    including NRA members, I believe that there's a strong majority of support for prudent and sensible gun control laws that would prohibit the acquisition AND possession of certain kinds of firearms, accessories and ammo, namely ones that only law enforcement and the military have any real need for.

    And no, the need to feel manly and tough and to be able to protect yourself against jack-booted UN storm troopers and rioting hordes in search of food and Playstations after the apocalypse comes is NOT a legitimate need.

    That's what Porsches and guard dogs are for.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:19:05 PM PST

  •  Someone should seriously look into that. (1+ / 0-)
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    Says Who

    Do ALL gun ads have their guns pointed at the Left?


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21:11 PM PST

    •  No (0+ / 0-)

      If it was on an even numbered page, it would point to the right.
      Generally, you don't want things to point off the page.

      And I am not sure how they do things, but the ad might not have been there on a page for proofing. It could have just been a white box with some text.

      But a good editor would know what ad was where and most certainly they should have caught it when the giant color 'proofer' out back started printing and they could have yelled 'STOP THE PRESS!!!"

      At least that is how it worked in the old days.
      Likely the good editor was long gone, underpaid and overworked copy/layout editors put the pages together and the paper was printed off site all in the name of cost savings.

  •  From the ad: "AR'S IN STOCK" (1+ / 0-)
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    SoCaliana

    Just. Fuck.

  •  Protests at NRA headquarters! (3+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, Phil S 33, SoCaliana

    Finally.

    Time to Occupy these bastards. Expose the profiteers of evil.

    https://twitter.com/...

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:24:55 PM PST

  •  Suck it up --GOP...you forced this!!! (3+ / 0-)
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    jj32, SallyCat, blue jersey mom
    Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller
    Sen Maj Ldr Harry Reid tells Senate it appears it'll have to come back the day after Christmas to complete work on the fiscal cliff.
  •  Let me say it here. I thought that the car (19+ / 0-)

    shopping piece on the front page was inappropriate to say the least. Some of us here think that global warming is an existential threat. In addition, a puff piece about car shopping does not belong on the front page. I fail to see how it is related in any way to electing more and better Democrats. Folks complain about the pooties (which build community and can be funny) on the rec list, but IMHO self-serving pieces on luxury car shopping have no place on the front page, especially when 20 six- and seven-year-olds were murdered on Friday. This is probably not the best way to run a fundraiser either.

  •  I just saw a photo of one of the young boys (2+ / 0-)
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    SoCaliana, wintergreen8694

    being laid to rest today, and he looks so much like my nephew who's almost the same age. For some reason that makes it so much harder to take. Sadly, my nephew lost his mother, my sister, several years ago, quite suddenly. I can't possibly imagine what his family is going through. My heart goes out to them, and to all the other families. This has got to stop.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:33:11 PM PST

  •  Hey Politicians: Do your fucking jobs, you cowards (2+ / 0-)
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    SoCaliana, wintergreen8694

    And then shut the hell up about it.  Don't DARE pat yourself on the back for it.  At this point you're only acting out of guilt anyway, trying to wash the blood of children from your hands.

    There... I was asked to hold people's feet to the fire. I hope that suffices.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:36:19 PM PST

  •  If the media continues to build on this meme (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SoCaliana

    about reclusivity; shyness, etc, I fear the psyche of the nation is headed down another dark road, ala witches, for example.
    I would advise against it.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:42:19 PM PST

  •  Congrats to Ben Schock & his fiancé (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wintergreen8694
  •  Not just the papers-try to google Bushmaster .223 (0+ / 0-)

    .223" and "Christmas" and see how many Shopping results will pop up thanks to Google's robots.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 01:06:16 PM PST

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