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I had just got done looking through the pictures of the babies that were murdered in CT this morning when I checked facebook to find this on my feed.

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4 hours ago via mobile
Need a good chuckle? Turn on CNN and listen to these liberal pussies talk about gun control and how crazy the NRA is. That is all.
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I could not hold back as I usually do.  This was posted by my husband's 25 year old nephew, a member of the military and someone who grew up in the deep south.
I had to respond although I tried to keep it together and coherant.
   
Linda XXXXXX Adam, I don't think 20 children and 6 adults being killed is anything to 'chuckle' about. If Leah was in that school, that classroom you wouldn't think it was funny. Yes your aunt is a liberal. No sane human needs the weaponry his mother possessed for self protection. NO ONE.
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His rightwing crazy father had to chime in (my brother-in-law, the one that raised this boy)
   
JXXXXXXX  It's time for liberals to remove their rose colored glasses and see the world for what it truly is. A place where some number of people will commit horrible acts against humanity and their weapon of choice will be whatever manner of item available to them. Had the principal been armed, she would have certainly had an opportunity to stop the shooter. Not being armed with a weapon left her armed with her words, and her body, to stop the shooter. How did that work out? Linda? Stop blaming the weapon and blame the sickness of the person committing the crime. It must be very difficult for liberals to accept their responsibility for replacing a society grounded in personal responsibility, accountability and community with that based on rainbows and unicorns. The principal gave her life in a frantic effort to save the children in her care. I would prefer she had taken the shooter out.
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    Linda XXXXXX JXXXXX, The mother was his first victim and she was the owner of the guns. How did that help her???? I am not going to get into a pissing war with you. I have my opinion and you yours.
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    JXXXXXXXX  Your view is why we suffer massive casualties. The mother who owned the guns is partially responsible for making them accessible to an unstable person. The principal not being able to defend her students is an entirely separate issue. The blood of the mother was partially her own responsibility. The blood of the students is on Liberals who prevent their defense.
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    Linda XXXXX by the time the principal figured out what was going on, she would not have had time to pull it out and fire. What are we all supposed to be, quick draw mcgraw police officers with our guns at the ready? Seriously, and with that I will let you have the last word since you know exactly how everything should work.
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    JXXXXXXX  Smart girl.
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    JXXXXXXX  If everyone owned a gun. All the stupid people would die off first. Win Win for everyone......That is all......
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    CXXXXXXX LMAO!
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    ChXXXXXXX I'd rather die defending myself using a gun than die defenseless. This shooting gives me MORE reason to carry at all times.
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    JXXXXXXX Good for you Christine! One should never feel guilty over choosing innocent lives over that of a murderer.
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    JXXXXXXX The question really is. How many people can really just shoot someone in the face. I feel like a lot of people say they can but it is the feeling of protection that comes with owning a weapon that is important to the people that want them. Plus hitler took the Jewish populations guns away before he killed them all....So....ponder that ......
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    JXXXXXXXX Being able to shoot someone in the face to save your life. It's more about having the opportunity to try.
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    JXXXXXXXX The principal in Newtown, and the other 25 innocent people who were murdered, would have been well served by having the opportunity to try.
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   DXXXXXXXXX 25 vs how many?
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    JXXXXXXX I don't understand the question. My point, restated another way, is that a madman with guns entered a gun free facility and begun shooting. The victims had no opportunity to even try to shoot the madman and save their own lives. The murderer went unopposed. Had one of the adults in the school been trained to handle such a situation, and had a concealed weapon to use, they would have at least had a fighting chance to save lives.
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    JXXXXXXX  It's the difference between a gunfight and an assassination.
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    XXXXXXXX   We all knew those hippie fags would jump at this opportunity...regardless of the tragedy...and just use the death of those children to their advantage.
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    JXXXXXXX We all know hippies "And Hippies Suck" - Mr Garison
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    SXXXXXXX ""We all know hippies "And Hippies Suck" -Mr Garrison""

    -Jonathan Jordan
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    JXXXXXXXX  What do you call a hippie that is a defender of personal liberty and the constitution? A libertarian!
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    DXXXXXXXX Is our country a democracy or a republic? test question for you hippies
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       JXXXXXXX   Niether. We are a representative republic. The only one on earth. There are huge differences between all three. Groovy question man!
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    DXXXXXXXXX  That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.---and I shall leave you With this quote. good day sirs
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Others chimed in as well, and as crazy as the relatives.

I just don't know how we are ever going to have a reasonable discussion and action on gun control when people like this live in the United States.
I should know better than to engage 'this side' of the family into any reasonable discussion but I just couldn't let the original post pass without a reply.

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  •  Same tired talking points... (7+ / 0-)

    As always.  

    Yes, that joke is from thirty years ago.  Funny how they are still making the same arguments as when I was 7.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:46 PM PST

  •  The nice thing about facebook.... (6+ / 0-)

    is you can 'unlike' someone.  Just from reading this dialog, I can say that I pretty much 'unlike' your relatives.  No offense, I have some pretty bad ones too.

    If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. Albert Einstein

    by kharma on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:16:55 PM PST

  •  Part of their scheme is to get you to quit (6+ / 0-)

    engaging them on this. It is a very effective tactic.

    Don't stop engaging them on it. Never stop calling them on it, people are dying.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:31:44 PM PST

  •  Funny how these random bad apples (2+ / 0-)
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    are so much more rare in all other countries.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:46:44 PM PST

  •  I kicked the shit out of my stepdaughter yesterday (5+ / 0-)

    on FB after she shared a white-on-black poster saying we need to put God back in the schools, that we don't need any new laws, only the "fear of God," and that God will "bless the USA" when we let Him back in.

    I'm a militant gun owner and will be installed next month as a ruling elder in my church, so the God'n'Guns RWNJ crowd isn't quite sure how to summarily dismiss my opinions. And I'm probably supposed to be calm and compassionate and charitable and matronly, but I could not stand by when she reposted this piece of shit that claimed, like the Huckabees and Phelpses of the world, to know the will of God, and portrayed the wealthiest nation in the history of the world (and one of the most church-filled, as we all know) as the "abandoned-by-God-due-to-insufficient-taxpayer-funded-prayer" poster child. I flamed her sorry ass to the tune of 600 words.

    Today she's posting non-political, fluffy stuff (we have not spoken since my flame) so I'm taking pains to "like" her various posts and make innocuous comments. God save me from the right-wingers in my family and vice versa. I just want to get through Christmas without burning any bridges.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:48:25 PM PST

  •  Linda, ask your relatives this question... (8+ / 0-)

    Of the several armed citizens present at the Tucson shooting two years ago, how many discharged their weapon to stop Jared Loughner?

    The answer: ZERO.

    The reason: They were afraid they would hit an innocent bystander.

    Do your relatives honestly believe that a teacher or principal would discharge a firearm in the presence of children, knowing that they might hit one of them instead of the shooter? How many might then have become victims of friendly fire?

    "The biggest threat to America today is not Communism. It`s the turning of this country into a Fascist Theocracy and everything that`s happened during the Reagan Administration has put us right down that pipe!" - Frank Zappa, 1986 CNN Crossfire

    by Lauren Lunt on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:51:16 PM PST

  •  Yes, don't stop engaging them on it. (3+ / 0-)
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    I agree with ranger995. When you drop out of the conversation, they win.

    I have a relative too that fits the description of yours. This woman is a second cousin of my husband whom I have never met but became friends with on FB. She lives in Appalachia while I live on the West Coast.

    During the election season, she and her boyfriend posted all kinds of hate stuff about Obama, how he was secretly going to destroy the economy, how climate change isn't real, how Obama's election was rigged, etc. etc. etc.

    I challenged them on their statements with facts, using Snopes and other credible sources. They became livid and started hurling insults and putdowns. I was accused of having a Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well as being the usual "dirty liberal", etc. I was surprised she didn't defriend me, but we play the same Zynga game; and I guess her needed my help with the game trumped her obvious anger.

    But the massacre was too much. She started posting stuff about how people died on 9/11 and in Oklahoma City without guns and accused ignorant liberals of taking away guns from decent people trying to protect themselves etc.

    I countered with a denial that we didn't want to take away their guns but gave some suggestions for reasonable laws to try and stem the slaughter.

    As I said, this was too much for her. I was defriended Saturday night. Yet, I feel I got her and her boyfriend off balance and planted some seeds. Otherwise they live in their own bubble with like minded people who reinforce each other's delusions.

    I feel social media gives us an opportunity to break through their bubble and fortress mentality. I notice that they most all start name-calling, insults, put-downs and sarcasm when they start losing the argument. It's an attempt to get us to withdraw. But if we brush off the insults, don't respond in kind, but keep coming back like the proverbial zombies, I believe something has to get through and at least shake them up a bit.

  •  Gun fags. (5+ / 0-)

    That's how I'm going to start referring to people that obviously love guns more than people, like the BIL here.

    These guys love to fantasize about how they'd whip out their long, hard barrel and save the day should a madman ever show his face.  More likely, they'd crap their pants, shoot the innocent, or both.

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 12:58:23 PM PST

  •  Keep on talking and keep sharing the conversations (2+ / 0-)
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    ranger995, JSW from WA

    Each time you'll learn a new response to use for the next one. We get smarter each time we engage. They only repeat the same tired talking points.

  •  "unfriend" (0+ / 0-)

    I actually got bored with their comments.  They don't seem worthy as people I would keep in touch with.

  •  You did well (2+ / 0-)
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    ranger995, SilentBrook

    They crave negative attention, they got some from you, and started goading you into giving them more. There's nothing a person can do to make an anti-social person more social. They don't care about winning arguments, or making reasoned arguments, they care about inflaming, inciting, making others angry, dominating with cruelty. Keep remembering that there is a lot of cowardice, fear and self-loathing behind the bluster and fantasizing. The comments about the inevitability of horrible acts are particularly telling. A lot of adult victims of abuse sometimes adopt a very unpitying view of the vulnerable, as a way to ward off the uncomfortable feelings they had when they themselves were vulnerable and subjected to mistreatment at the hands of someone more powerful (usually a parent).

  •  This Could Make The Upcoming Family Christmas (1+ / 0-)
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    gathering really extra awful.

    I'm gonna have to give some extra thought about attending this year, knowing there are the normal crazies who will be attending and they will be all stoked with their gun fetishes on full display.

    I should know better than to engage 'this side' of the family into any reasonable discussion

    The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

    by kerplunk on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 01:51:05 PM PST

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