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In their anxious anxiety to show that they are still relevant and to take some revenge on President Obama's reelection senate GOP's John McCain and Lindsey Graham staged an ugly character assassination on Susan Rice, President Obama's favored candidate to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.   With Rice's withdrawal from consideration it seems that the Goppers will get their wish with Obama's selection of John Kerry as SoS.  Has the Goppers lock step obstruction to newly reelected President Obama succeeded in the equivalent of a dive into the frying pan?  I hope so.

If there was any criticism at all coming from the democrats regarding Susan Rice it was coming from the eco-left with the reveal of the mega investments Susan Rice has in the tar sands oil fields.   The financial investments are such that presents Ms. Rice with a major conflict of interest in any decision to forward the XL tar sands pipeline, which is the responsibility of the state department and created a red flag for environmentalists.

Mother Jones

Kerry is among the most fierce advocates for climate action in the  Senate. Here he is in a floor speech from August talking about why climate change is "as significant a level of importance" as Syria and Iran:

       

Well, this issue actually is of as significant a level of importance, because it affects life itself on the planet. Because it affects ecosystems on which the oceans and the land depend for the relationship of the warmth of our earth and the amount of moisture that there is and all of the interactions that occur as a consequence of our climate.
Kerry is also the co-author of the last major climate bill anyone tried to pass in the Senate. At its rollout in September 2009, he called the bill "the beginning of one of the most important battles we will ever face, as legislators and as citizens."

He's also been a champion of international climate action since way back in 1992, when he attended the first major meeting on it in Rio, Brazil.

Hillary Clinton has seemed to understand the urgency of climate action especially in her full support in the creation of Clean Air and Climate Initiative which is an essential component in mitigating the worst effects of climate change.

But perhaps future SoS Kerry will continue Hillary Clinton's work and create an even stronger contribution with the rejection of the XL pipeline.  How would the Goppers oil money backers respond to that?  After all they could have had tar sands investor Susan Rice.  

Originally posted to beach babe in fl on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:41 AM PST.

Also republished by Climate Change SOS.

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  •  I thought that SoS Clinton had approved the (2+ / 0-)
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    beach babe in fl, grrr

    Keystone Pipeline . . . .

    Of course, Mr. Kerry also promised to be a fierce opponent of the VRWMC but then basically folded when push came to shove.  

    Just saying, history often has a propensity to repeat itself.

    •  xl pipeline decision is not a done deal. Perhaps (2+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy, NYFM

      Kerry can have a voice in it.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:48:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Who knows - according to this (2+ / 0-)
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        beach babe in fl, expatjourno

        (admittedly poorly sourced) article it looks like Ms. Clinton is going to give the (second time around) approval before she steps down.

        It would be mightily messy for Mr. Kerry to try to walk that back.   And from what I saw from in and after the 2004 election campaign, he just doesn't have it in him

        •  The environment is a Kerry signature (2+ / 0-)
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          beachmom, CuriousBoston

          issue.  He'll do whatever has to be done to save our planet.

          There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

          by NYFM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:57:56 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not that faith is ever realistic, that's why it (2+ / 0-)
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            Roadbed Guy, expatjourno

            exists; but your comment is totally deluded.

            He'll do whatever has to be done to save our planet.
            No, he won't.
            •  Well I can also say to you (2+ / 0-)
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              beachmom, CuriousBoston

              that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.   And I am always impressed by how the Kerry haters just cannot help themselves.

              There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

              by NYFM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:08:39 AM PST

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              •  I like Kerry a lot (1+ / 0-)
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                DBunn

                But I beleive he isn't going to be a loose cannon from the first day on the job.  If Clinton approves it, it will be with Obamas blessing.  I don't see Kerry's first act being to defy the President.   He will have to pick other battles

                Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

                by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:27:24 AM PST

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              •  Ad hom attack--STOP it (2+ / 0-)
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                jasan, CuriousBoston

                Criticize the substance, not the alleged bias of someone's remarks.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:30:22 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Have someone accuse you (0+ / 0-)

                  of being totally deluded and see how you respond.

                  There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

                  by NYFM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:52:51 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I understand--been there, done that (0+ / 0-)

                    It takes one to know one. But still doesn't excuse you or TC from trying.

                    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                    by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:55:03 AM PST

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                  •  Please, I explicitly stated it was your comment (0+ / 0-)

                    and not you.

                    Good decent people can have deluded ideas?

                    When did everyone get so sensitive around here.

                    Dude. John Kerry is invested in the tar sands. OK? He does not have some stellar environmental record, ok?

                    He is a rich politician who is essentially in it for himself. Sometimes his actions line up, sometimes they don't. But for you to state that the environment is one of his signature issues... well maybe he SAYS so, but his record does and investments do not reflect it.

                    Let's keep it real. Let's keep it off of Fairy Tale Lane.

                    "He's going to do whatever he can to save the planet" is false. I am sorry you believe otherwise.

                    •  How specifically is Kerry invested in tar sands? (2+ / 0-)
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                      NYFM, CuriousBoston

                      I'm a diehard Kerry supporter but I'd like to hear more if you have information about ways that his investments don't line up with his environmental activism. From what I've seen, he does have a stellar environmental record, but please share your evidence.

                      Please visit: http://www.jkmediasource.org

                      by Noisy Democrat on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:23:13 AM PST

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                      •  In the tar sands Devon, Suncor & Cenovus - (0+ / 0-)

                        Suncor Energy, they specialize in making syncrude from Tar Sands
                        Cenovus currently has two producing projects in the Alberta oil sands – Foster Creek and Christina Lake.
                        Devon has 2 projects in the Tar Sands area Jackfish & Pike.  

                        I wrote it up nearly 3 weeks ago.

                        http://www.democraticunderground.com/...

                        Interesting.... Bain too.

                        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                        by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:51:10 AM PST

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                      •  Not tar sands....About 1 million in Noble Energy (0+ / 0-)

                        About 1 million in Noble Energy a Houston based oil and gas company.

                        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                        by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:53:09 AM PST

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                    •  a comment cannot be deluded (0+ / 0-)

                      in itself, since deluded refers to a state of mind.  Since comments are the expression of thoughts- the products of our minds- then your insinuation was clear.  Either that or you don't understand English.

                      There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

                      by NYFM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:23:53 AM PST

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              •  Quit my job in '04 in NJ went to FLA (1+ / 0-)
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                NYFM

                southern Broward county to work for Kerry.

                FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:50:30 AM PST

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              •  Kerry has over $1 million invested in tar sands. (0+ / 0-)

                That's a signature?

                C'mon, NYFM. Keep it real.

                •  I never published the diary on Kerry (1+ / 0-)
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                  Tirge Caps

                  during the Rice blow up, I sat on my Kerry invested in.......

                  Cause I realized the Rice blow up wasnt about investments in the tar sands.

                  FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                  by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:55:27 AM PST

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                  •  Please share what you know (1+ / 0-)
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                    NYFM

                    Kerry is all but obsessed with stopping global warming; he talks about it constantly, he wants to put a tax on carbon -- this isn't just something he says on the Senate floor but something he discusses with his staff regularly. I'm trying to wrap my mind around why he would want to invest in tar sands. It doesn't just sound hypocritical, it sounds certifiably insane. So please tell us more so we can try to make some sense of it.

                    Please visit: http://www.jkmediasource.org

                    by Noisy Democrat on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:26:00 AM PST

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                    •  See my other comment (0+ / 0-)

                      for citations.

                      Its interesting that Kerrry has sold most of his cola holdings over the last 2-3 years. But remember he has a foundation that takes care of his investments. It may be he has no direct control over his investments, but then the divestiture of coal assets would have to be coincidental.

                      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                      by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:31:39 PM PST

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            •  Like I said to NYFM below (0+ / 0-)

              Stop the ad hom attacks (i.e. "deluded"). Stick to substance.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:31:00 AM PST

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              •  yeah, thanks mom. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm going to express my thoughts and opinions as I see them. Deluded is part of the substance.

                I can handle the responses to my comments. Thanks for "stepping in and looking out" but I think NYFM and Tirge Caps can handle themselves just fine without you parenting the conversation.

                •  No (1+ / 0-)
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                  CuriousBoston

                  That's part of that whole self-moderation thing you seem to have forgotten about but some of us haven't. Keep it up and the HRs will come.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:53:55 AM PST

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                  •  I am not afraid of your HRs nor do I agree (0+ / 0-)

                    with your boundaries of acceptable conversation.

                    I have my own. Calling someone's opinion deluded is fine. OK?

                    NYFM telling me I don't know what the hell I am talking about is fine. OK?

                    You, stepping in here like a babysitter is not fine. Save your policing for the real abuse.

                    This is just people disagreeing. Because your sensitivities are so bare does not mean the rest of us have to change.

                    You deal with the world; the world does not deal with you.

                    •  This place is not "the world" (2+ / 0-)
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                      Roger Fox, CuriousBoston

                      It's a safe place from "the world". And it's not your place to decide by yourself what is and isn't acceptable behavior here. It's the community's.

                      And guess what? I'm a part of it. And the community standard here is that calling someone "deluded" or a "hater" is unacceptable and HRable ad hom.

                      Of course, site rules also prevent me from HRing either of you now, so I won't.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:34:00 AM PST

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                      •  It's a saying. I'm not claiming this place (0+ / 0-)

                        is the world.

                        re:

                        And it's not your place to decide by yourself what is and isn't acceptable behavior here.
                        Did I say it was my place? Any more than it is yours?

                        Relax.

                        •  It's our place, ok? (1+ / 0-)
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                          CuriousBoston

                          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                          by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:30:25 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  So we all gotta act by your standards? (0+ / 0-)

                            I am not free to disagree with you on those standards?

                            Let's get something straight, kovie: You're the one telling people how to act.

                            I am not. I am not telling anyone how to act. That's what "our" is about. It's putting up with things YOU may not agree with.

                            Save your policing for the nasty. Lord knows there's plenty here.

                          •  Well-established community standards (1+ / 0-)
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                            CuriousBoston

                            prohibit attacking someone personally in these ways. It's not my standards, but community and admin standards. You can disagree with them all you like but they're still the standards on this site and we are all tasked with enforcing them, via comments, reporting and HR's. I have only done the first and don't intend to do anything more.

                            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                            by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:48:21 PM PST

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            •  Indeed, history has shown that that (0+ / 0-)

              is highly unlikely.

              All the fight seems to have gone out of him long ago.

              If this was the signature issue for the SoS position, why wasn't Al Gore considered?

              If nothing else, he'd have gone down fighting.  Vigorously.

          •  except he has 1 million+ invested in the tra sands (1+ / 0-)
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            about the same money as Susan Rice.

            Are the people who said Rice should divest from tar sands also asking the same of Kerry?

            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:48:13 AM PST

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        •  we shall see. she lost the primary before (2+ / 0-)
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          Mindful Nature, CwV

          If she is interested in being prez not smart to lose the enviros before she even begins

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:02:06 AM PST

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  •  "bait and switch" is my theory (6+ / 0-)

    (I have no evidence to back it up though)

    If Kerry's name had been floated first McCain, et. al would have swiftboated him just like they did Ambassador Rice. There's no way that they would whine about a second nominee--that would just make them look more like the cranky obstructionists that they are.
    President Obama gets the individual he wants at State and floats Republican Chuck Hagel for DoD. This pick is interesting. Here's a good article from the New Yorker)

    Let's eat Grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Punctuation saves lives!

    by history first on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:13:10 AM PST

    •  I'm not sure how I feel about Hagel at Defense (1+ / 0-)
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      history first

      But it does make sense from a "Nixon goes to China" pov, if Obama's serious about taking on the vastly over-bloated defense budget. A conservative Repub trying to cut spending there would have more political leverage than a liberal Dem. This is, of course, assuming that Obama wants to do this and Hagel's on board, and that it's not about Obama wanting to kiss GOP ass.

      And these days, who can tell.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:33:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Why would have McCain swiftboated him? (0+ / 0-)

      I think you might be getting your elections mixed up.

      McCain & Kerry actually have a fairly solid working relationship - especially on Vietnam Veterans issues (for whatever that's worth).

    •  Yes. Possible (0+ / 0-)

      Just like its very possible the tar sands partners didnt expect the 1st route of the Keystone XL would be approved. In fact they would settle for their 4th choice of routes if it meant they complete the 900k b per day pipeline.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:42:26 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hillary was not a strong advocate (5+ / 0-)

    for the climate. She was the person in the administration pushing for quick Keystone approval, and all the people who had ties to Transcanada were people from her campaign that she brought over to State.

    And according to Steve Coll's excellent book on Exxon, during the 2008 primaries, Exxon had good relations with the Clintons but were more worried about Obama because there was no relationship and Obama's people had no desire to meet with them.

    •  Not to mention Cancun, Durban, nd Doha (1+ / 0-)
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      The US has shown some significant continuity with Buah in opposing international action on climate.   I don't think the slow walk at the international conference is the record of a climate hawk

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:29:32 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (4+ / 0-)

    What's wrong with you?!? Don't clue them in!!!

    The more I read about Rice, the more I think we dodged a bullet there. She's certainly smart and tough and all that, but for the wrong policies and interests. She seems like merely one of the more talented and successful of a generation of self-interested careerist organizational drones who will do whatever it takes to succeed and become rich and powerful. Not unlike Liz Fowler or Rahm.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:28:57 AM PST

  •  Rice and Kerry (0+ / 0-)

    I for one am glad that Rice wasn't picked. Rice was very similar to Hillary policy-wise, and everything that has been reported is that Hillary was very competent but a rightward pull in the Obama administration. Kerry is likely to be more towards the center (or perhaps, center-left) of the administration. I can't see Kerry lending tacit acceptance when there is a coup in Latin America or pushing Obama to reject climate treaties.

  •  I think Kerry at defense better for climate... (0+ / 0-)

    Keep pushing green initiative on all things in the military means we get many tens of billions spent on green energy and green energy technologies.  I don't know what he could do, other than empty lip service, out of the State.  Anything he could potentially do there would need Congressional votes eventually.  

    Also XL pipeline is a sure thing.  No matter who is in State, it will be okayed and the Pres will then sign off on it.  

    The NRA is the Gun Manufacturer Lobby. Nothing more. Their pontification about the second amendment is nothing more than their ad jingle. They're the domestic version of the Military Industrial Complex.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:40:19 AM PST

  •  Kerry has about the same money as Rice (0+ / 0-)

    Invested in tar sands companies.

    But then Boehner takes campaign donations from tar sands companies he invests in.....

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:41:37 AM PST

  •  the term... (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's "favored" candidate seems a stretch considering he left her twisting in political purgatory, presumptively nominated (and attacked) but not officially nominated (and protected).

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:06:15 AM PST

  •  Opposition to Rice was tactical (1+ / 0-)
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    The speculative case was put forth on the Rachel Maddow Show, but it's a strong one. Kerry was the go-to second choice. By removing Rice, the GOP have opened up a senate election in Massachusetts with a presumed favorite, Scott Brown, to step in.

    McCain, Graham, and Kelly Ayotte all campaigned on Brown's behalf (while he was running away from most of the GOP in general). It's not a coincidence they were the same ones smearing Rice later. I doubt that any of that trifecta were concerned with what national-level climate policy they would get with Kerry as SoS. It would be nice if their Senate cronies beholden to energy interests were to remember (or just comprehend) how they ended up with Kerry should he actually prove be proactive in climate matters, but I wouldn't count on it.

  •  Personally, I don't think either (1+ / 0-)
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    Roger Fox

    Rice or Kerry was a good pick.
    I'd much rather have seen Al Gore or Russ Feingold get the nod.
    Neither Rice nor Kerry is as green as either. And I don't know where Kerry is on matters of war but Rice is as hawkish as Hillary. Kerry was, thirty five years ago, an anti-war witness, does he still have that?
    The fact that he's the 3 Amigo's pick is not encouraging, either.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:24:59 AM PST

  •  Don't give 'em what they want (0+ / 0-)

    Susan Rice was just a pawn in the Repubthugs' game.
    And so is Kerry since they want him out of the Senate so they can get their own pawn -- lapboy Scottie brown -- back.

    Barack, find someone else. They've tasted blood and if you give them this, they'll go for blood on everything for the rest of your time -- which is only about two years lame duck label weakens you.

    No John Kerry -- the price is too high.

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