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Just hours after the horrific shooting in Connecticut, Bryan Fischer had the gall to claim that since we no longer require prayer in schools, God took his hand off Sandy Hook Elementary School because he wasn't wanted.  Well, Fischer spent yesterday doubling down on this disgustingly callous claim.

Today on his radio show, Focal Point, Fischer claimed that ever since Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp, our "moral capital" has been sucked dry--so therefore, there's nothing to protect us from the devil.  He also claimed that ever since 1962, there's been a "vacuum" in our schools--and evil has stepped into that vacuum.  See for yourself.

Fischer then kept digging in a post at his blog, Rightly Concerned.  He claimed that the shooting took place because we've told God we don't want him.

God submits himself to the law of faith, and will not go where he is not wanted. He will not force us to put with him if we don’t want him around. It may be that his protective presence is being removed from our land and from our schools because he has been told repeatedly that his protective presence is not wanted.

We have, as a culture, systematically booted God from our public schools for over five decades.. In 1962, the Supreme Court issued a diktat that American schools could no longer seek his help and protection. In 1963, the Supreme Court issued a second diktat prohibiting the reading of his Word in our public schools. And in 1980, the Supreme Court issued a third diktat prohibiting the display or teaching of the Ten Commandments, God’s abiding and transcendent moral standard for human conduct.

So God is no longer prayed to, his counsel is no longer sought and his standards are no longer respected. Is it any wonder that he might not be around when we need him? If we have spent 50 years telling him to get lost, it should not come as a surprise that we eventually begin to feel the absence of his powerful presence.

All I have to say is to repeat the same question I asked on Friday, one I repeated directly to Fischer on Twitter on Saturday--would you have the guts to say this to one of the parents whose kids were shot to pieces on Friday?

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  •  My question: (5+ / 0-)

    "God submits himself to the law of faith, and will not go where he is not wanted."

    So what does it say that God didn't protect the children that were molested under the auspices of the Catholic Church for decades?

    “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

    by Jaxpagan on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:21:44 AM PST

    •  I think it was Bashir yesterday who. . . (0+ / 0-)

      Listed the number of actual shootings that have taken place in actual churches.

      The gunner culture has evoked so much violence that we don't even need to mix analogies - - there are all too many direct examples.

      Not that logic ever mattered to these people.

      If he wants God brought back to the classroom, he would be cool with the Koran being read on loud speakers throughout the school early each morning, right?. . . . right?

      Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

      by 4CasandChlo on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:39:40 AM PST

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  •  He'll say that from the safety of his radio studio (4+ / 0-)
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    If he were to say it face to face with a parent, I don't think ANY god would be able to protect him from the ensuing wrath.

  •  It's interesting how their god-concept (1+ / 0-)
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    values the 'diktat' (interesting choice of word too) of the Supreme Court more than the prayers of people at schools, which obviously go right on being prayed in private. Their god wants it mandatory, he wants the 'diktat,' he wants the show. And yet their bible talks about the hypocrites who make a show of their prayers.

    There is nothing so ridiculous that some philosopher has not said it. -- Cicero

    by tytalus on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:25:08 AM PST

  •  The obvious reply (3+ / 0-)
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    So why aren't schools in non-Christian countries..places like Japan, China, or India, rife with such problems?  

    Even marginally places in Europe where prayers are never heard in school -- you never hear of such an event.  

    In fact, one could argue that such events happen almost exclusively in the US.. The most Xian Place On Earth.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:26:54 AM PST

  •  Did God take his hands off Parochial Schools? (4+ / 0-)
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    You know, the ones with all that mandatory praying and all of the child sexual abuse?  

    What a git...

  •  I don't understand the theology (1+ / 0-)
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    of Bryan Fischer and people like him. I honestly don't get it.  How is any sort of just God involved in a massacre of first graders, either affirmatively or passively? All I hear from this guy Fischer is manipulation and madness... manipulation of followers with a big component of financial opportunism, combined with a sort of madness and irrationality that makes one despair of the ability of a big number of Americans to think for themselves.  

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:39:57 AM PST

    •  the only thing... (3+ / 0-)
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      I disliked about Obama's speech was the bit about he children being "called home", because it suggests this incident was some kind of destiny, rather than a vicious theft of life. Also, if god not only wanted these lives back, most after just 6 or 7 years, but felt the urge to take them in such a violent fashion that many of those that he didn't recall will be traumatized, and have their own destinies forever altered, that suggests to me a sadistic monster of a god, utterly unworthy of being worshipped.

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:54:48 AM PST

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      •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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        But what does one say in a situation like that?  I can't be that upset by the President's words, as most of those who lost the kids were probably Christians and really needed something to hold on to right then.  

        FWIW, for me, personally, the issue of evil is a secondary but powerful argument against a deity - see the Epicurean paradox, which seems pretty convincing for me. Plantinga's Free Will formulation isn't convincing, at least for me. (The primary reason is lack of evidence...)

        But I would not inflict philosophers on the parents who lost 6 year old kids.  If they believe, more power to them and far be it from me to contradict them.  I think the President said what he had to say, notwithstanding the fact that I think he is a Christian and probably also believed what he was saying.  Even as a non-believer, I would not say or do anything to try to undermine those parent's faith.  I cannot know what it would be like to lose a 6 year old, but even if I were in that position, I'm not sure I'd be offended as a non-believer.  It must be an unimaginably hollow feeling to lose a child that way, and there wouldn't really be any words that would effectively consol.  The effort itself, provided it was generous and honest, would be OK even if it as philosophically at odds with my own opinion.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:19:52 AM PST

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        •  I wasn't upset... (2+ / 0-)
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          but the point is that the details of Christianity, and all religions really, utterly collapse under the weight of even the slightest logical scrutiny.

          "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

          by JackND on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:24:36 AM PST

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  •  Bryan's God is more... (1+ / 0-)
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    petty and vain than the Greco-Roman gods, ain't he?

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:49:47 AM PST

  •  Its vulture theology (0+ / 0-)

    and an abomination.

    It revolves around the understanding that there are many who must become desperate before they will go to the churches and, thus, come to Jesus. Therefore, it is a good thing that people are becoming desperate, whether that is the effects of poverty that could be ameliorated by government intervention, or the tragic, violent deaths of first graders. That way, they will at least come to the point of pretending to accept Christ in that deeply personal, on on one, Jeeezus is my buddy way that they think is important, and accept the authority of Christ's representatives on earth-the churches dominated by patriarchy.

    God's hand in this is to either sit back and ALLOW tragedies to happen, because they will bring more people to HIM, or to actively engage in causing tragedies, for the same reason.

    I don't know what they worship, but in my understanding, it is far from God. And it makes this mild mannered Methodist pastor LOSE. HER . SHIT when I hear it.

    Almost 10 year old Daughter: "Boys are pretty good, but daughters have sentimental value." Me: "I don't think that phrase means what you think it does." Daughter: "None of them do, Mom. More's the pity. Words have to be flexible in today's world."

    by left rev on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:53:30 AM PST

  •  Adam Lanza was home schooled (0+ / 0-)

    This idea doesn't even make sense within the confines of its own bizarro reality.

  •  So, let me get this straight (1+ / 0-)
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    Because we defended innocent children from having a religion their parents might not approve of shoved down their throats in public schools in 1963, God, feeling all hurt and depressed about this rejection, permitted (if not actually caused) twenty children to die horribly forty-nine years later. Sure, that makes sense. In Bizarro World, maybe.

    Talk about twisted theology.

    The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

    by Alice Venturi on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:18:12 AM PST

  •  Separation of church and state (0+ / 0-)

    was clearly state in the 2nd amendment for a very good reason. Many countries had a mandatory national religion. If anyone chose another religion or criticized the nation's religion, they were executed.  Religion was power for country rulers.
    This jackass forgets massacres such as this have occurred in malls, hospitals, theaters and more. Did they ban religion? NO. This argument we are hearing is bullshit.
    They're saying without THEIR God, no one has morals and the only place we learn moral is in a school.
    Their God and morals can't co-exist. These "Christians" forget that any religion is spiritual and does not advocate hate, inequality and racism.  Whatever God a child knows is with him/her always.

    Grover Norquist is a boil on the right butt cheek of humanity.

    by bluebuckeyewmn on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:33:13 AM PST

  •  My two cents (0+ / 0-)

    So Fischer thinks kids forced to pray every morning will prevent the evil "vacuum" from forming and therefore  prevent school shootings?  Wow, what nonsense.

    That idiotic argument is an insult to the parents who lost children in this tragedy.  Fischer should begin discussing his own moral vacuum.    

  •  That explains why a Christian school was shot up (1+ / 0-)
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    a few months ago in Oakland CA, because they worship the wrong god and Quetzalcoatl is pissed.

  •  Someone needs to tell Asscrack Fissure that God (0+ / 0-)

    only accepts Roman Catholics into heaven. Or is it Jehovah's witnesses? Sorry, I get confused.

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