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Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap

— The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer's family and several of the victims' families.
Fox News is reporting this as an exclusive -so it is entirely unconfirmed. Their article is based on the testimony of a U.S. Marine, Joshua Flashman, 25, who is said to have grown up not far from where the shooting took place.  They also say
A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.
I regret linking to FOX.  Perhaps someone else will pick the up soon with more information on the assertion that the mother had filed paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son.

4:18 PM PT: NEWTOWN — A Connecticut pastor is refuting a Fox News report quoting his son as saying that the gunman who massacred 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility.

The source, Joshua Flashman, 25, is the son of Richard Flashman, a pastor at Beacon Hill Evangelical Free Church in Monroe, Conn., where a few of the victim’s families attend church.

“I’ve just spoken to Josh,” Richard Flashman said in a statement tonight. “As the Fox News article indicates, the information Josh spoke to them about was hearsay and not confirmed. I suggest you do not run with the story. I am perplexed why Fox would run with it in the first place.”
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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:51:18 PM PST

  •  This is just another unfortunate (3+ / 0-)
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    case of an individual who is brainwashed into believing that having guns will protect them.   Sadly, many of these folks are killed with their own protection.

  •  This seems very speculative (13+ / 0-)

    and based on neighborhood gossip. Interesting how none of the family members have mentioned it.

    •  Agreed. (3+ / 0-)

      It will come out, if true. I would think law enforcement can get past sealed documents, in this case.

      Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

      by DRo on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:59:49 PM PST

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    •  The immediate family isn't saying much at all (4+ / 0-)
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      They are in seclusion, and have issued a couple general statements. Anything revealing about the family dynamics has stayed with them, and whatever law enforcement has interviewed them.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:00:14 PM PST

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      •  But of course, for (1+ / 0-)
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        the father, if he ever uttered one intimation that he had any knowledge his son had delusions/problems with reality/interpersonal problems and that he liked guns/violence.  Well... you can guess what exposure he will then have.  However undeserved it is.

        There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

        by NYFM on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:25:37 PM PST

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  •  I'm not really too familiar with (2+ / 0-)
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    the rules of "committing" somebody but I didn't think it was possible for a mother to have the state commit a 20 year old even if they have a mother-son relationship.

    Doesn't that ship sail when you are 18?

    However, if he was acting erratic prior to the shooting (which is obviously likely) and she was reviewing her options and he was aware of her thinking, this could lead to the same outcome.

    We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

    by theotherside on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:01:13 PM PST

  •  Rule of thumb: If it's on Fox and Uncorroborated (10+ / 0-)

    It's complete bullshit.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:11:10 PM PST

    •  Fox is propounding the "it's not guns; it's (11+ / 0-)

      mental illness" narrative."

      So I think we should take this story with a cargo ship full of salt at this point.

      It might end up being true. But  who is this guy?

      U.S. Marine, Joshua Flashman, 25,
      And how does he
      who is said to have grown up not far from where the shooting took place.
      know more than the aunt, who has been very willing to chat it up with the media?

      I'm going to hold off believing this until we get an actual source confirming this info. THIS

      confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.
      confirms nothing except that the authorities are looking at mental illness, including treatment (past, present and future) as a motive. Well yeah, we'd expect that.

      Fox has a bias. Fox has an agenda. We should be very careful about carrying water for Fox.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:29:23 PM PST

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      •  Hundreds of people grew up (7+ / 0-)
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        not far from where the shooting took place and why does it matter if one of them is a US Marine. I'm not saying the story isn't true, just that Fox uses typically weasly language to present hearsay as the gospel truth.

      •  Ny Post reporting it, (1+ / 0-)
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        but that's just more Fox.... http://www.nypost.com/...

        Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

        by DRo on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:52:18 PM PST

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      •  The aunt had no contact with the (5+ / 0-)
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        shooter for, I believe, seventeen years.  I think she is an attention junkie and has contributed less than nothing to the narrative.

        Fox would be going for any reason other than the most obvious to comfort the heartless FoxNoise viewers.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:56:21 PM PST

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        •  Still. There are family members I never speak to (3+ / 0-)
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          but I have a good idea what they're up to because I speak to other family members. The family gossip tree is relatively reliable compared to the "I live up the street from where something happened."

          I'm not saying the aunt is reliable (I did use the phrase "willing to chat it up with the media" to indicate that perhaps this is not a loving relative who is informed, much less mourning the deaths of family members ). But I prefer her connection to the case to some guy who is simply some guy.

          At least, at this point.

          The whole thing stinks. The fact that these people are using this massacre for attention for their sad little selves is beyond pathetic.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:31:22 PM PST

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          •  The first report I read of the aunt (0+ / 0-)

            who had not seen him for 17 years really offended me.  I can't find that article but this one offers more info and I'm not sure if this is the same source.

            http://www.cnn.com/...

            One of Lanza's aunts, Marsha, described him as a "quiet, nice kid" who had issues with learning, she said. Her husband is Lanza's paternal uncle.

            "He was definitely the challenge of the family in that house. Every family has one," she told CNN affiliate WLS. "They have one. I have one. But never in trouble with the law, never in trouble with anything."

            She said Lanza's mother "battled" with the school board and had to home-school her son.

            "She had issues with school," said the aunt, who lives in Crystal Lake, Illinois. "I'm not 100% certain if it was behavior or learning disabilities, but he was a very, very bright boy. He was smart."

            When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:59:44 PM PST

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          •  Here's the link to the article I (1+ / 0-)
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            referred to re the aunt who had not seen the shooter in seventeen years.  This is one excerpt which I found so offensive:

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

            Lanza said that while she and her immediate family have "shed their tears" for the tragedy, she is also worried about the repercussions her nephew's horrible crimes may have on her own children.

            "[The shooting] has tarnished the name," Lanza said. "We are related, but did not have anything to do with it."

            Lanza's longtime friend Paula Nedza told the Northwest Herald, "[Marsha's] concerned” for her five children. “She doesn’t want them to get harassed.”

            “The family is trying to figure out how to cope at this point,” Nedza added. "They’re victims, too.”

            When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:44:23 PM PST

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            •  Thanks. Wow. (1+ / 0-)
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              Takes your breath away, doesn't it?

              I went to school with some Lanza kids way out in California. And I've met a Lanza or two over my adult life. Never would think for a minute they would be related.  So if Ms Lanza kept her big mouth shut and her face from in front of the cameras, her kids would have few, if any problems at all.

              Pathetic.

              Oh, but she Facebooked with Nancy.

              /eyeroll

              Again. Thanks.

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:06:40 PM PST

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              •  I've been looking for a response from (0+ / 0-)

                the ex-husband/dad and haven't seen anything yet.

                From what I've read, the divorce was amicable and the settlement was very generous.  

                I think Newtown law enforcement has been very thorough and there will be some solid news coming out about the facts of the case.

                When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:33:03 PM PST

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      •  I put the Aunt in the same camp as this person. nt (0+ / 0-)

        Romney is George W. Bush without brains.

        by thestructureguy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:46:01 PM PST

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  •  That is the talking point (3+ / 0-)
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    that is put out there. It is the crazy people, not the guns. Haven't you noticed? Every conservative shill is talking about mental health.
    Massacres like these are horrific, but they are only a fraction of gun related casualties.
    Good mental healthcare is important, but it is not the solution to the problem.

    It is almost impossible to predict this type of violent behaviour even if you have a person in treatment. How are you going to identify every person that may pose a risk?

    •  Exactly. 20 kids and 6 educators are dead. The (2+ / 0-)
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      guy brought enough arms and ammo to mow down every kid in the ENTIRE school that day, all of it legally obtained thanks to the perverted gun culture in America.  Those are the facts that I find most striking about this tragedy.  Yet Fox News would rather wallow in irrelevancies like the state of mind of this lunatic or his gun nut of a mom???  Fuck them.

    •  What is the percentage of sane people ... (0+ / 0-)

      who pull the trigger?  Zero.  It may be temporary insanity, but no sane person, by definition, would pull a trigger unless it was in self-defense, as a cop or as a soldier.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:02:06 PM PST

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      •  In that case nobody (0+ / 0-)

        would ever be convicted for shooting anybody.

        I don't think it is important why he did it. What is important is that he showed up at that school with three guns and hundreds of rounds and killed 20 children and six adults in 10 minutes. He shouldn't have had access to those guns.

        •  Society has collectively decided ... (0+ / 0-)

          that it's not insanity to shoot someone because (1) they don't want to risk an insane person being judged sane again and released from a mental institution, and (2) they figure mental institutionalization is a breeze compared to prison.

          "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

          by Neuroptimalian on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:50:42 PM PST

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  •  She took him shooting. She kept guns in the house (4+ / 0-)
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    not just guns, assault rifles. And she was talking about having him committed.  Come on.  She just about armed him.

    WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

    by ruthhmiller on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:36:23 PM PST

    •  Good point...if the commitment story (0+ / 0-)

      is true, why would she discuss this with him prior to her actually making it happen?

      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:59:08 PM PST

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  •  i perused an article earlier where an fbi profiler (1+ / 0-)
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    was quoted: "he didn't snap..."

    in her opinion, it was a well-planned crime

    Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

    by memofromturner on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:59:50 PM PST

  •  If this is true and it must be because it's on the (1+ / 0-)
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    internet a mental health professional is involved somewhere.  If so where were they? Why didn't they alert authorities?  Did they warn the mom? We just might another person to blame for this.

    Romney is George W. Bush without brains.

    by thestructureguy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:39:15 PM PST

    •  As if mental health experts are much (1+ / 0-)
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      better than the average common-sense person at predicting who might become violent, with no history of it.

      I certainly haven't heard anything yet that would give me or anyone else a clue that this guy was capable of something like this.

  •  So mental health services caused this massacre (0+ / 0-)

    Therefore, Faux Noise wants to eliminate government spending that provides mental health services because it causes mass murderers to kill 6 and 7 year old children and promotes matricide.

    Not guns. Fear of mental health services. Awesome fail, Faux.

    All because they heard some words from just one young acquaintance of the murderer who is speculating and trying to  rationalize his classmate's irrational behavior. Many people are struggling to find some kind of explanation that satisfies their desperate need to understand how this shit can happen. And they'll say whatever happens to cross their minds at the moment.

    No evidence whatsoever. No corroboration. None.

    And Faux Noise will exploit only those twisted memes that support their winger agenda.

    Brilliant.

    Why the hell did you write this diary?

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:01:32 PM PST

  •  Turns out this may be hearsay... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... according to this article:

    The source, Joshua Flashman, 25, is the son of Richard Flashman, a pastor at Beacon Hill Evangelical Free Church in Monroe, Conn., where a few of the victim’s families attend church.

    “I’ve just spoken to Josh,” Richard Flashman said in a statement tonight. “As the Fox News article indicates, the information Josh spoke to them about was hearsay and not confirmed. I suggest you do not run with the story. I am perplexed why Fox would run with it in the first place.”

    ...

    The pastor said he was not the source of his son’s information. His secretary, Eileen Bell, added, “It was nothing from a confirmed source.”

    Later in the evening, two state police troopers arrived at the church to take a statement; Bell would not say from whom.  (Bolding by me - because who do you think they were there to question?  It was the idiot who made stuff up to be on Fox News)

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:13:38 PM PST

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