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To hell with cuts to social security!

Seriously? WTF Prez?

Let's start the conversation with raising taxes on the rich, $250,000+, to 50% with deductions and 39.6% at a minimum.

Also, make capital gains taxes 35%.

Thanks, your move Republicans...

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  •  Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

    Republicans can easily start to win elections by simply renouncing their party and becoming Democrats.

    by Therapy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:45:29 PM PST

  •  Enough with this flood of DailyKos vitriol against (4+ / 0-)

    the President on negotiating the fiscal curb! Hey people, the chained SS benefits increase is not good but, 1) it will have little effect for some time (decades, really) 2) medicare age not raised, unemplyment benefits, stimulus all +s 3) it's called negotiating. Unfortunately the GOP control the House.

    No, it's not perfect, but it is a heck of a lot better then would have been done last summer or if Romney had won.

    Why the orchestrated endless series of negative diaries?

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:56:53 PM PST

    •  No...not nearly enough!! He caved again! (11+ / 0-)

      he is not being true to his word and that is not trivial!

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:01:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree, mostly (1+ / 0-)
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      Therapy

      I really hate this chained CPI thing, especially since it kicks the can down the road (I would prefer to see wealthier seniors today bear part of the burden through higher taxes on SS benefits). But all in all, this is a much better deal than what we would have gotten in July 2011 or if Romney had won the election (duh!). If the deal ends up where the president proposed yesterday I would not call it a cave...I would call it a negotiation. I am happy that he held firm on the Medicare age and on the rate of taxation for upper incomes (raising the floor to $400,000 is not nearly as bad as cutting the rate for all top earners to 37%, IMO). I am disappointed about the chained CPI and the payroll tax, but I knew we wouldn't get everything we wanted.

      I hope he holds out for a 4 year deal on the debt ceiling, though, so he doesn't have to go through this crap with the Republicans again in 2 years.

    •  They expect the President to give in to 0 demands (2+ / 0-)

      from Boehner and end up with a deal that everyone will be happy with, and the tea party Congress will vote to approve.... Not realistic, but then again, realism has nothing to do with this, it is simply a game of no deal whatsoever at my expense.

      The Odd thing, too, is that many believe the President can give Boehner the shaft and laugh in his face, and later expect Boehner to come to the table with all the myriad of issues up ahead, such as Immigration Reform, stimulus issues, Gun Control, Climate issues and perhaps other healthcare issues. Nope, as much as Boehner and his team of hostages have held up the nation, many believe the President should just be equally intransigent and yet expect wins on all these very important matters in the future.

      When all is said and done, no one will be looking at Boehner as having failed, it will be Barack Obama has failed. This President cannot afford to behave like Boehner.

    •  Not the first Progressive sellout of constituents (0+ / 0-)

      because other things are worse. Remember what progressives like the above did to women in ACA and what has happened since to women, since somehow the damage to women then and seniors then was 'not good but . . . . "  A sellout is a sellout ToG, and you should know that by now.

      Of course, perhaps you or O are considering the additional fact that a chained CPI is reportedly going to be responsible for faster rise in taxes for middle class folk because they will move up faster in the rate table. Maybe that will get you going, if a cut in social security benefits to those with no other source of income, and whom Progressives swore to support witll not.

      •  What damage to women in the ACA? (0+ / 0-)

        I honestly don't know what you are talking about. I know that insurance companies now are barred from charging women more than men, and the $10 copay I used to pay for birth control had been changed to $0 when I went to fill my prescription the other day. I think certain preventative visits for women are now also free.

        What was bad for women? Are you talking about the Stupak amendment?

        •  How much now for the reproductive rights coverage (0+ / 0-)

          which under Stupak has to be done in a rider, and for which women pay extra above what men pay for the whole medical shebang. And a requirement that there be at least one company per state operating the rider. One only.

    •  The fiscal cliff is better (1+ / 0-)
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      Sunspots

      That's why we are upset.

      There is no reason, none, to touch Social Security.
      There is even less reason to grant tax breaks in the 250-400k range.

      Permanent changes to gain temporary stimulus is stupid.  As is allowing ANYTHING in the way of debt limit in the deal that isn't "eliminate the damn thing".

      No more hostages.

    •  Orchestrate? (0+ / 0-)

      That coming from you is delicious.

    •  The Medicare age isn't that significant (2+ / 0-)
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      WattleBreakfast, Therapy

      because insurance will be available through health exchanges anyway, when the ACA is fully implemented.
      The chained CPI is a permanent long term benefit cut which is completely unnecessary and has nothing to do with the deficit.

      And...it's part of a deal to bump up the cutoff for the tax increase to $400,000. IOW, a tax increase of only symbolic value.

      This is an insult to the Democratic base, as well as a financial hit to seniors. It is unacceptable.

    •  But Romney didn't win, we did (2+ / 0-)
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      WattleBreakfast, Therapy

      I live in Florida where chained CPI or any downward "tweak" to SS or Medicare will never be swallowed. There are people that are living hand to mouth here. Why did we stand in line 6-9 hours if we were going to just turn around and give away our hard work? We were promised if we worked hard and played by the rules and payed into SS and Medicare it would be there for us. What happened to the promises from the POTUS and the VP? What happened to the line in the sand, the FDR rhetoric? What happened to military cuts? Are they off the table? Is it now every man, woman and child for themselves Republican style? Florida will be lost for many cycles if this is the best we can hope for.

    •  Nobody contacted me about posting this (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not a part of the dailykos "in crowd" so this wasn't a part of an orchestrated series.

      I'm genuinely pissed off that Obama is capitulating in an attempt at a damn grand bargain!

      Republicans can easily start to win elections by simply renouncing their party and becoming Democrats.

      by Therapy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:03:03 AM PST

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  •  Too many of them have seen this movie before... (1+ / 0-)
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    don mikulecky

    ...and I don't think they will go for it this time, certainly not after the drubbing the GOP got in last month's election, to be followed by a massive barrage of calls from the people demanding that they hold their ground.

  •  Ordinary income. (5+ / 0-)

    Have cap gains taxed as ordinary income, so that the rate goes up the same as all other income so that it stays progressive.

    My wish list is 'all income treated the same' + 'more high end tax brackets', such that maybe you pay more at  1 mill, 5 mill, 10 mill, 50 mill, 100 mill, 250 mill, 500 mill, 1 bill...

    It's ridiculous that people making a half mill a year pay the same top marginal rates as a hedge fund guy making a billion a year would (if he weren't also getting to use that carried interest scam to pay even less, that is.)

  •  Last Lame Duck The President Was Pilloried.... (2+ / 0-)
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    democrattotheend, Therapy

    before the dust had settled & the deal appeared.  I've just called both my Senators (Cantwell & Murray) who are said to be wavering about the SS cuts.  I complained about those as well as the Bush tax cuts now being extended up to $400,000.00 instead of to $250,000.00.  Please call yours.

    Even Ron Wyden of Oregon is considering going along w/ the so called "proposed" deal.  

    In the meantime, more children are being buried today in Newport Connecticut.  When you call your Senator, please speak to banning automatic weapons & high caliber ammunition clips, as well.  

  •  taxes are not the main issue. (0+ / 0-)

    they will go up regardless of any deal.

    the big issue, as in 2010, is stimulus.  in 2010, D's traded an extension of bush tax cuts for the top 2% in exchange for payroll tax cut, UE benefits, and some other stimulus.

    sequester has bad cuts in domestic spending which will hurt the poor a lot.  unemployment benefits, which are the sole source of income for many americans, will also expire as part of the fiscal cliff.  the payroll tax cut will also expire.

    obama's latest offer seems to be basically a trade of chained CPI, which is shitty, for stimulus and a 2 year moratorium on debt ceiling hostage-taking.

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