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Forgive me if this has been diaried earlier.  I just saw astonishing photos from the recent gun buyback program in Camden, NJ that took place last weekend in the wake of the mass murders in Sandy Hook.

In addition to the developing White House response and the many citizen petitions, we should take advantage of the public's renewed desire to voluntarily give back their guns.

Follow me below the orange cloud . . .

According to Philly.com::

A state-sponsored cash-for-guns program for Camden County residents picked up 1,137 firearms over two days, a record number for the state, officials said Tuesday.

New Jersey's attorney general said some of the gun owners who showed up at two Camden churches Friday and Saturday appeared to be motivated by the mass killings Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.

These are powerful images:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

From Philly.com again:

Officials said $110,000 from the Attorney General's Office in forfeited money along with $6,000 in gift cards for groceries from a city-sponsored gun buyback program last year were doled out in Camden this time. In addition, $39,000 in IOUs will be honored through future forfeited money.

County residents could turn in up to three firearms, no questions asked. Payment was set on a sliding scale, with the $250 maximum going to operable assault weapons and illegal firearms.

Camden Police Chief Scott Thomson said most of the 533 handguns and 504 long guns, including five semiautomatics, were operable.

Can't we do this on a nation-wide basis?  
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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    Yes, we need to talk about this. Please sign the dKos Petition to start a national conversation about gun control.

    by GreenMtnState on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:58:05 AM PST

  •  wow (6+ / 0-)


    I wonder what a national assault weapon buyback program would do in that case?

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:03:15 AM PST

    •  not much since the target weapons are going (4+ / 0-)

      for $400-$4000 at the last auction I watched.  I would think most of the buy back programs really result in antique firearms being turned in.

      For example, prior to 1900, many weapons were made with Damascus twist barrels, which, while safe for black powder, were not strong enough for modern gunpowder. Hence firing them is not recommended (and is also a problem for people buying weapons of this vintage)
      So even a gun which appears operable, still may not be safe to fire.  

      •  It'd have to be a mandatory buyback, with stiff (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        cassandracarolina, blueoasis

        criminal penalties for possession after the buyback.

        BTW, I live in SF now but grew up in Camden in the 50's.

        RTKRC - Right to keep and raise children. Trumps RTKBA - Right to keep & bear arms.

        by hideinplainsight on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:25:04 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  safe to fire? (0+ / 0-)

        define that then

      •  That's what the photo looks like: (2+ / 0-)
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        LilithGardener, subtropolis
        I would think most of the buy back programs really result in antique firearms being turned in.
        Maybe gun buybacks need to be more specific: extended magazines, HP rounds, weapons without serial numbers, etc.

        I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

        by CFAmick on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:23:17 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I see one M1 Carbine (0+ / 0-)

          I don't think that truly qualifies as an assault weapon but you can get a big magazine for one and something there with a barrel shroud.

          Most look like old single shots and stuff that you might be able to buy for 75 to 100 bucks, turn in and make some money.

          If the M1 is operational and they were only paying $250 for something like that then they messed up since they go around 5 to 600 if they are truly a WW2 M1 collectors item.

          •  I have recently seen up to $2000 depending (0+ / 0-)

            on the model and manufacturer with $400 being the basement.  I have a 1943 officer's carbine manufactured by General Motors which I purchased for $50 years ago when a guy discovered a bunch of Army surplus in a warehouse he bought in Seoul.

      •  Not only were many of the weapons ... (0+ / 0-)

        probably antiques, I'll bet many more were rusted or otherwise unuseable.  And I'll further bet that most of the money paid out was used (or will be used, given that it's Christmas time) to buy NEW weapons, for themselves or others.

        Plus, I'm assuming it's extremely hard to sell a personal gun, so the only way to get money for an unwanted one is to take advantage of a buyback program.

        It'd be interesting to see the results of a study on the subject because the net effect will probably prove to be negligible.  

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:20:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  but it is great PR and great photo op (0+ / 0-)

          and as PT Barnum should have said, sometimes it is all about the show and the rest of the time, it is all about the show.

          •  And the value of false PR is ... ? (0+ / 0-)

            Macbeth:

            "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

            "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

            by Neuroptimalian on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:27:01 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  "operable," yes (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cassandracarolina

    worth a damn?  likely not so much.

    how many participants just used the money to go out and buy a newer, better gun?

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:05:35 AM PST

    •  I would say that operable or functional is (3+ / 0-)

      different, in that some firearms may be functional, all the parts are there or are reparable and others may be operable, which means they are ready to fire.

      Looking at the picture, there are a good many guns there I would hesitate to fire w/o having a reputable gunsmith go over it

    •  None of those firearms will accidentally kill (2+ / 0-)
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      subtropolis, GreenMtnState

      a child, or be used in a murder/suicide. It's a small step.

      Yes, regulating semi-automatics is needed, because most of these guns are not the kind needed for multiple rapid killings.

      •  so you're saying (0+ / 0-)

        that no one who turned guns in at camden took the money to go buy a newer, better gun?

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:29:49 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  no, she's not saying (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          LilithGardener

          That's a bullshit response. Is it possible? Yes, it is possible. But we won't know for sure until you go out and prove it. The onus isn't on any random Kossack you challenge.

          All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

          by subtropolis on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:06:13 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  The commentor was merely baiting - (0+ / 0-)

            a cheap ploy of projecting words into someone else's mind/comment.

            The commentor was baiting - that's all. Thank you for addressing them.

            I addressed the issue in my earlier comment down thread. It's a 20 comment thread, Sheesh! If Cedwyn wanted to know what I think he/she already had the answer down below.

            I don't take the bait of the RKBA folks anymore.

            •  it's not baiting at all (0+ / 0-)

              you said this:

              None of those firearms will accidentally kill a child, or be used in a murder/suicide. It's a small step.
              sure, those exact guns won't be, but if the owners use the money to replace the gun (which is very common), what's the functional difference?  none. pointing that out is not baiting.  it's called making a point in a broader discussion.

              totally ignoring a direct question, on the other hand, all but begs people to make inferences from your replies.

              and as for me scrolling through the diary searching for your comments, puhleeze.  i replied to one of your comments; i don't have to read everything you wrote to participate in one subthread.

              Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

              by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:59:38 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Believe it or not (0+ / 0-)

                I'm actually supportive of the right to KEEP and BEAR arms, but I don't find your questions or selective quoting, or your comments on this topic particularly engaging.

                Draw your own inferences.

                And now it's time for a nap.

                Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

                Snore........

  •  I cannot see the picture well enough to (4+ / 0-)

    identify individual firearms, it seems the long guns may either be antique or heirloom firearms, appearing to be single shot, though there may be a lever action or bolt action or two in the mix.

    I would love to see a breakdown of the weapons surrendered to see how many of the weapons are of the varieties which such programs would seem to target or how many of the weapons are actually operable or functional.  

    •  click on the dailymail link above and scroll down (3+ / 0-)

      to see more pics . . .

      Yes, we need to talk about this. Please sign the dKos Petition to start a national conversation about gun control.

      by GreenMtnState on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:23:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  thank you; the other pics help (3+ / 0-)

        the reporter says a Nitro Express elephant gun was turned in along with 5 full auto weapons.  The pics show a lot of Saturday Night specials, semi auto and revolver and a few larger caliber sidewheelers.
        There are seven what appears to be "assault type" guns, such as apparent Mac 9s or 10s.  There appear to be all sort of single shot rifles and shotguns though I think I spotted a couple of auto shotguns and one double barrel.
        Someone with better eyesight and more experience with firearms needs to review the pics to determine how many are modern firearms and how many are antiques or nonfunctioning as the payoff for the firearms was less than you could get at a pawnshop;

        Gun owners received $25 for BB guns, $50 inoperable firearms, $150 for revolvers, semi automatics, shotguns and rifles and $250 for assault weapons.
         If anyone is interested I think I can find a recent auction with the realized or hammer price of similar weapons to compare the difference

  •  Meanwhile, gun sales surge (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GreenMtnState, LilithGardener

    Some attributed to outcome of the election, but some directly attributed to the latest tragedy. Inevitable, really.

    The Sandy Hook shooting has "created a national shortage" of firearms and ammunition, one Texas gun shop owner told CNBC, who asked not to be identified for fear of a backlash. "All of our suppliers are almost sold out of items across the board."
    A representative for Colorado's Bureau of Investigation's (CBI) InstaCheck Unit told CNBC that firearms background check requests was in the throes of "record setting volume." The day following the Sandy Hook shooting the CBI received a one-day total of 4,154 requests — a new historical peak.
    http://www.cnbc.com/...

    "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

    by Catte Nappe on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:17:16 AM PST

  •  thanks for this. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GreenMtnState

    some encouragement in a truly dark time.


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:19:54 AM PST

  •  Melt the Guns - XTC (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GreenMtnState, LilithGardener
    Programmes of violence,
    As entertainment,
    Brings the disease into your room.
    We know the germ,
    Which is man-made in metal,
    Is really a key to your own tomb.

    Prevention is better than cure,
    Bad apples affecting the pure,
    You'll gather your senses I'm sure
    Then agree to,

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more to fire them.

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more desire them.

    Children will want them,
    Mothers supply them,

    As long as your killers are heroes.
    And all the media
    Will fiddle while Rome burns,

    Acting like modern-time Neros.

    Prevention is better than cure,
    Bad apples affecting the pure,
    You'll gather your senses I'm sure
    Then agree to,

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more to fire them.

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more desire them.

    I'm speaking to the Justice League of America.
    The U S of A,

    Hey you,
    Yes you in particular!
    When it comes to the judgement day and you're standing at the gates with your weaponry,
    You dead go down on one knee,
    Clasp your hands in prayer and start quoting me,
    'Cos we say...
    Our father we've managed to contain the epidemic in one place, now,
    Let's hope they shoot themselves instead of others,
    Help to civilize the race now.
    We've trapped the cause of the plague,
    In the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    If we listen quietly we can hear them shooting from grave to grave.
    You ought to,

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more to fire them.

    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    Melt the guns,
    And never more desire them.


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:24:37 AM PST

  •  A small step, but a step nonetheless (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GreenMtnState
    Camden Police Chief Scott Thomson said most of the 533 handguns and 504 long guns, including five semiautomatics, were operable.
    What do you think? Did that statement mean, only 5 semi-autmatic firearms total?  Or only 5 semiautomatic long guns?

    It may be a small step, but it is a step none the less.  1000 firearms, out of homes in one of the most violent cities in the nation.

    None of these weapons will accidentally kill a child or a neighbor, or become the tool of choice in someone who is experiencing despair.

    None of these weapons will be picked up by someone in a fit of anger and be used to kill their girlfriend or wife, or an ex.

    Now we have to solve the problem of the buyback money being used to by a semi-automatic firearm, to replace the one that was turned in.

  •  Excellent!! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LilithGardener

    With those 1,137 weapons off the street, that means that there's only 299,998,863 or so to go!

    I feel safer already.

  •  Chiesa is an R. (0+ / 0-)

    Jersey has it goin on. First they Vote for our President, now they are getting guns off the street.

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