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PC version reviewed. Some spoilers below, so beware.
Sunset over the Wrenhaven River, the road to most of your adventures.
Sunset over the Wrenhaven River.
"Hah! I shit bigger than you!"

The city guard at the foot of the lamppost has just stomped another wandering rodent into a red smear. He hesitates for a moment, then resumes his patrol up the deserted street, eyes peeled for more. If he should have the misfortune to run into a pack of them, they'll probably eat him alive. At the top of the lamppost I perch, like some improbably large crow, silently thanking heaven for the rats that keep everyone's eyes glued to the ground. High in the air, I might as well be invisible. The citizens of Dunwall, the crumbling London/Edinburgh plague pit where Dishonored is set, don't often look up, so unless I do something noisy like fire a pistol, I'm relatively safe.

Using my Blink ability, a short-range teleport, I cross the street to another street light, from there to an air conditioner on the side of a building, and from there to a third-floor balcony. No one has seen me yet, but I don't know who's behind the balcony door. It turns out to be two more guards, with their backs to me, discussing a body on the table before them, the man I've been sent to find. Before they can turn around, I shoot both with sleep darts and they topple. I toggle my Dark Vision ability and look through the walls and floor to see if anyone else is there. Two guards on the floor below, but they can be ignored. I pick up my snoring victims one by one, and toss them on a table in the next room. If I don't get them off the floor, they might be eaten by the omnipresent rats before they wake up, and the game will count them as my kills. This is not a good thing. For a stealth assassination game full of inventive ways to eliminate your enemies, Dishonored has a remarkable distaste for blood.

The Dark Vision ability in action, showing the shapes of a guard and a wolfhound, and their cones of vision, through the roof of a building.
The Dark Vision ability at work. The shapes of a guard and a dog, and their cones of vision, as seen through a roof and wall.
I've been sent after the body on the table by a local gang leader, who wants to know what happened to his scout. In return, he's promised to find me an easier way to reach my real target, a high-class whorehouse where I have to do away with two of the patrons, the Pendleton brothers. Later, the gangster offers to eliminate the two himself, without killing them, in return for another favor. I accept, since that's two fewer kills to my account. Later, he lets me in on what he's going to do with them:

See, them Pendletons got these rock mines. Have hundreds of souls working down there, half a mile deep below ground. So I'm gonna shave their heads and cut out their tongues and put 'em in one of their own stinking mines! Then they gonna see life from a different angle.

Which is what your character is doing, though a bit less painfully, seeing life from a different angle.....for details, follow us below the orange springrazor trap.....

Dishonored is a deliberately, almost perversely paradoxical game. It gives you an elaborate set of abilities, but then demands you use most of them as little as possible. It is chock full of lethal potential: you can shoot your opponents with bullets or arrows, stab them, drown them, cut their throats, set them on fire, knock them out, possess them and force them to commit suicide, blow them up with grenades, slash their legs off with springrazor traps, conjure a wind blast that will hurl them off ledges or slam them into walls, detonate the power cells in their machines, pull out the cells and throw them (they make excellent improvised grenades), cross the wires on their electrical traps so that they fry their makers and not you, and call up a small army of rats to eat them alive. Or virtually any combination of the above that you can imagine. Most of your targets are brutal, vulgar, offensive, hypocritical, treasonous, ugly as sin, and in all other ways seemingly deserving of an unpleasant end. You'll be able to get away with killing a few, now and again, if you are careless or unlucky enough to be left with no other choice. But the game turns on you if you try to make a clean sweep. The "chaos" rating will increase ("chaos" signifying not only kills but disruptions such as the discovery of bodies), and this entails a variety of consequences, none of them good. If your chaos rating goes to High, you are guaranteed to run into more and larger swarms of hostile rats and more Weepers, zombie-like plague victims who have gone insane and attack anyone who gets too near to them. Future levels will be harder, with more fortified positions and guards that are more alert. Some side missions become unavailable, and NPCs are less cooperative. If you persist in violence to the end, your allies betray you or become corrupted, and the game ends unpleasantly.

When you run out of sleep darts and can't sneak by, sometimes you have to turn lethal. A guard getting a flying lesson courtesy of the Windblast ability.
If you run out of sleep darts and can't evade a guard, violence -- here, the Windblast ability -- may be the only way out. The trick to a perfect game is making sure that those situations never happen.
Even within a level, if you let rip and scatter bodies all over the place, you will almost immediately notice the road ahead becoming tougher, even if the "official" chaos rating remains at Low. For example, near the end of the level where you deal with the High Overseer, your exit takes you over a number of flat roofs (if you are prudent; just walking along the road will mean a tough fight against the Overseers and their trained wolfhounds). If you have avoided open violence up to that point, there will either be no sentries on the roofs at all, or there will be a single sentry patrolling a long way away from your entry point. If you have been killing rather than sneaking or rendering unconscious, the sentry on the roof will be patrolling right under your nose and you'll have to deal with him before proceeding. The chaos rating recorded on the end of level screens has only two settings, Low and High, but the game is keeping a critical eye on you all the time and adjusting itself dynamically to your actions.

The chaos rating offers carrots as well as sticks. Choose the less violent alternatives and characters assist and reward you: a third Pendleton brother, for instance, one of your allies, will slip you a couple of gold bars for at least keeping his brothers alive, however miserable they may be. Others give you keys, or tell you about hidden treasure, or disclose the locations and combinations of safes. Going out of your way to help others – rescuing a woman being robbed in an alleyway or a civilian trapped by a horde of rats, for instance – usually pays off in money or information, sometimes very handsomely. On the other hand, it can be tricky to combine altruism with stealth. Every encounter becomes a judgement call where you have to weigh the possible gain of information or equipment against the risk of using up resources, attracting attention to yourself, and increasing the chaos level.

A fugitive thanks you for taking down two men about to arrest him, and gives you the location of a safe and its combination as a reward.
Your reward for neutralizing two Overseers about to arrest these fugitives. In this case, you can choke the Overseers into unconsciousness from behind, so your Chaos rating is unaffected -- so long as you remember to put the still-living bodies somewhere safe from the rats.
Dishonored's disdain for unnecessary violence exerts a constant pressure on your play style. Despite the lethal potential of your arsenal, you find yourself tip-toeing through most of the game relying on sleep darts and chokeholds to render enemies unconscious, or simply trying to make yourself invisible. You become obsessively meticulous and patient, watching guard routines from cover until you have calculated the most elegant way to evade everyone, exploring ledges, rooftops, drains, and holes for new ways to move forward, creating distractions to mislead guards, stuffing unconscious bodies in trash dumpsters to preserve them from the rats, and possessing rats or fish to travel where human beings cannot. Indeed, the ideal way to play the game, the highest and most difficult accomplishment, is to go through all the missions completely undetected, never being noticed and never killing anyone. As one of the developers remarked, it's the first assassination game where you don't have to assassinate anyone. Every major target has a non-lethal method of resolution. It is possible to play Dishonored as a conventional first-person shooter, but the game will do everything it can to make you regret that choice.
Lady Boyle's secret admirer makes me an offer I can't refuse. She will live, but spend the rest of her life with a stalker in kidnapped misery.
The "non-lethal" resolutions the game provides are never pleasant for the target. With Lady Boyle, you have the choice of either killing her or handing her over unconscious to her masked "admirer," and the Outsider warns you that the second choice means she'll live out the rest of her days in misery.
In Dishonored, you take the role of Corvo Attano, bodyguard to the Empress, and also reputedly her lover and the father of the heir-apparent, ten-year-old Emily. For the last six months, the capital city of Dunwall has been suffering under the assault of a new, rat-borne plague that leaves its victims insane, insect-infested, and bleeding from the eyes (hence their nickname of "Weepers"). Two months ago, the Empress sent you on a trip abroad to see if anyone had any experience of dealing with the disease, and the prologue to the game begins with your return. No sooner do you deliver your news to the Empress than you, she, and Emily are ambushed, the Empress is stabbed to death, Emily is abducted, and the parties responsible nominate you as the fall guy. After six months in prison, the main game begins the day before your execution is scheduled, when a mysterious band of conspirators slips you the key to your cell in one of your meals and you're off, either silent as a ghost or leaving a stack of bodies behind you, as you prefer.

Your saviors, the Loyalists, are based at the Hound Pits pub, inside an area abandoned and condemned for plague. This will be your home base and hub. The conspiracy is a rag-tag affair, and it quickly becomes evident that other than telling you where to go and what to do, its members do little but sit around and talk. The only exceptions are Piero the inventor, who makes your gear and ammunition, and Samuel the boatman, who takes you to and from your missions and sometimes supplies useful background information. You're going to have to do all the real work yourself.

Fortunately, your predicament has attracted the attention of a much more powerful entity: the Outsider, by reputation a demonic figure, but here manifesting himself as a genial young man whose chief complaint is that everyone he observes is so damned dull: he later dismisses one aspiring acolyte with the line, "If he really wants to meet me, he could start by being a bit more interesting." You visit his realm in sleep and are granted his Mark and the first of your powers, Blink, with instructions on how to find more powers and upgrades by collecting the runes a former civilization carved from whalebone and inscribed with the Outsider's Mark. The problem with the runes is that they are tucked away in odd places, you find them only gradually, and you will never have enough to get all possible powers. You have to choose what to spend them on, and the powers your choose will shape your play style. You will also be looking for Bone Charms, which confer small but sharply focused benefits, such as quicker chokeholds or slightly more health. To help locate these two items, the Outsider gives you a gruesome toy: a human heart with various mechanical additions that you squeeze to indicate the location of runes and charms. It will also whisper secrets about places and people when pointed at them. Its voice and comments soon make it clear that it is in fact the dead Empress's heart that the Outsider has recycled, and her affectionate phrase to you, "When you are near, my heart is at peace," becomes more than a little ironic.

The villain of the piece, at this point, is the new Lord Protector, the Empress's former Spymaster, Hiram Burrows. He has the heir Emily in incognito captivity and controls the armed forces and the Overseers, an unpleasantly inquisitorial group of metal-masked religious nasties devoted to combating the menace of the Outsider through witch trials, burning at the stake, torture, purges, and other forms of sanctified unpleasantness. For the next five levels, about two-thirds of the game, you go to a series of separate areas to remove the Lord Protector's allies, rescue Emily, make off with key personnel and documents, and in general undermine his position to the point his troops begin to desert him. Your progress is punctuated by the sardonic remarks of the Outsider, delivered whenever you locate his hidden shrines. (He seems particularly pleased when you decline to kill your targets, at one point exclaiming "You fascinate me!") Finally, the Lord Protector becomes vulnerable to a direct attack. This you duly deliver, but the results are not quite what you anticipate, and you end up having to dig yourself out of another hole before the action concludes and Emily becomes Empress – or not.

Corvo advising Emily on the throne; the Empire at peace. Part of the final sequence for a low chaos ending.
A final pat on the head from the game, part of the sequence that ends a game completed with Low Chaos: everyone lives happily ever after. The other endings are nowhere near as pleasant.
As a puzzle/stealth game, Dishonored is clever and challenging. Some levels are predominantly linear, but there are always several ways to follow the path, with more opening up if you have developed particular powers. For instance, you can stop time and walk right past people, or even through traps and electrical barriers, with level 2 of Bend Time, but bringing Bend Time up to that level takes ten runes, a big chunk of the total you'll find in the whole game. Is it worth that much to be able to create an extremely resource-intensive effect that lasts for less than ten seconds each time it is invoked? You decide.

Play balance is better than it might seem at first sight; you are not as overpowered as you look. You can do an impressive amount of damage, and usually have the advantage of surprise, but if someone sees you and sounds the alarm, there will be enemies all over the place trying to surround you. Those with pistols will fire at you even if you're engaged in melee combat with another guard, occasionally killing their own men, but usually hitting; those without will throw bricks and stones if they cannot close with you. You have only a modest amount of health and limited ammunition, and cannot afford to slug it out with a crowd even if there were no chaos rating to worry about. The more powerful effects expend a large fraction of your available magical potential, which will not fully recharge by itself, but has to be boosted by potions that are sometimes hard to find. A few of the Overseers have a device that negates your magic within a limited radius, and some enemies in the later part of the game have magical abilities of their own. No matter how all-destroying you seem to be in theory, it's never prudent to test your limits in practice.

Play is vaguely reminiscent of games like Bioshock, Thief, and Hitman, but the resemblances are mostly superficial. Corvo's suite of magical abilities sets him apart, with Blink being particularly addictive – more than one reviewer has said that this is the video game ability that they would most like to have in real life. Blink makes most of the board a three-dimensional puzzle, with Bend Time and Possession supplementary tools to use in particularly challenging areas. If you bring Possession up to Level 2, you can even possess and control one of your adversaries for a short period of time, very useful if you suddenly come face to face with a patrolling guard.

The play area remains in or near the city of Dunwall at all times: you never venture out into the countryside. And Dunwall is a ruin, with far more damage than could have been done in only six months of plague. As you move through wrecked buildings, overhearing the conversations of survivors and reading books and memoranda, it becomes clear that the city has always been a dark, merciless place, and that the plague has merely intensified trends that were already present. You and the Empress up in Dunwall Tower have been living in a dream world, closing your eyes to reality. The economy is based on whaling and whale oil: the whales are stripped of their fat while still alive, and they have been hunted to the edge of extinction, bad news since virtually everything in the city runs on whale oil. The Overseers and their church have terrorized the population while trying to enforce their own idea of religion; organized crime rules everywhere that the city guard is not physically present; and the city's rich consider their inferiors subhuman and expendable. Indeed, you discover at the end that the present Lord Protector deliberately introduced the plague rats to kill off the poor, whom he considers useless moochers, "begging for the coin that the rest of us have to earn through hard work." Unfortunately for him, the plague failed to stay in the slums, moving beyond them to destroy the middle class and besiege the rich, who can at least afford the expensive drugs necessary to render themselves immune.

A Half-Life 2 metal wall in Dishonored, showing what has influenced the game.
For a moment, I thought I might have stumbled into Half-Life 2, Episode 3.
One of the more obvious borrowings from the Half-Life universe in Dishonored.
The city of Dunwall itself is an original creation, but a number of its details evoke memories of other games, particularly Half-Life 2. This is no accident, as the creator of Half-Life 2's City 17, Viktor Antonov, was the visual design director for Dishonored. The style is difficult to characterize: some have called it steampunk, and it certainly has many Victorian touches, but on the whole it lacks steampunk's brass and elaborate gadgetry. The appearance of the game deliberately deviates from the photorealistic. Enemies are sometimes made ugly to the point of parody, perhaps to tempt the player to kill more of them than is wise, and while visually impressive, scenes from Dishonored tend to resemble paintings rather than snapshots. Stock NPC dialogue is often repetitive – a frequent failing of games like this – but the voice acting for major characters is expertly done. (Susan Sarandon as the eccentric and sinister Granny Rags is a treat.) Your character, like Gordon Freeman in the Half-Life series, is never audible, but Corvo is not mute: you do respond to some queries, by selecting answers from a list.

The replay value of Dishonored is limited, since after three or four run-throughs you know too much about the map for it to remain challenging unless you go out of your way to make it so. The "sweet spot" for playthroughs is probably the second time around, since one passage gives you the level of information that Corvo would probably have possessed about the city he lives in, information that you need if you wish to deal with the game's challenges with grace rather than brute force. The much-vaunted "randomization" between playthroughs that is supposed to enhance replay value is almost completely pointless, since too few items are affected – for instance, in one level the color of the target's clothes is randomized, but the NPC you have to question to obtain that information remains the same. Still, one can easily get thirty to forty hours of play out of Dishonored if you explore it thoroughly and vary your play style, and quite a bit more may be needed to get some of the achievements/trophies, such as Shadow, which requires you remain hidden from all enemies for the whole game, or Mostly Flesh and Steel, in which you complete the game using no magical powers apart from Level 1 of Blink.

Griff the Scavenger thanks you after being rescued from two thugs of the Bottle Street Gang. He sells ammunition and some unique documents.
Take the trouble to save this fellow from some thugs trying to shake him down, and he'll sell you ammunition, plus a couple of useful documents found nowhere else.
Dishonored is by no means perfect. The story is somewhat predictable, the second part is poorly balanced and not as interesting as the first, and as is so often the case the whole thing ends not with a bang but a whimper, or to be more accurate, a valedictory speech from the Outsider. Gameplay has a number of annoying features, one of which is the need to loot constantly. Your non-magical upgrades are handled by Piero, who will do nothing if you do not collect materials for him. Looting is a distraction, and an unnecessary one, since searching for keys, potions, documents, and alternate routes encourages you to explore in any case. It also introduces a weird touch to the game, in that you loot friends as well as enemies, regularly checking their rooms to see if there is anything useful. Another problem is that although you have to leave unconscious enemies on elevated places to avoid their being eaten by rats, the mechanics of this are very crude – when you release a body you don't know whether it will drop at your feet or be flung to the other side of the room. This makes placement frustrating and time-consuming, and occasionally results in the death of the person you are manipulating. A third is the insistence on doing too many different things with a single action key, which can lead to such annoyances as being unable to drop a body on top of a table because the game demands you read the book on the table instead. A fourth is that there is no true day/night cycle and so some segments that are supposed to be taking place at night are frozen in an endless late afternoon.

Thankfully, the game, which is built on the Unreal 3 engine, is almost bug-free. Crashing on scene changes, an early annoyance, seems to have been drastically reduced by the latest patch, and in the course of jamming myself into odd corners over the whole series of maps, I only encountered two or three places where my character got stuck in the geometry (Blink got me out of all of them easily) and one corner where an attempt to possess a rat led me to fall through the floor and be propelled out the rear of the building into the sea. A few people have avoided the game since Bethesda's name is on it, but Buggy Beth is the publisher, not the developer. This is a game where someone must have listened to the play-testers, and it shows.

Single-player games with a fixed linear narrative have an uncertain future, since by their very nature they cannot offer as much variety for money as an online game, or even a single-player sandbox-type game such as Skyrim. In trying to explore its every corner, I got about 200 hours of play out of Dishonored, far less than for Skyrim, Oblivion, or Fallout 3, but about the same number of hours I've spent in Half-Life 2. Dishonored is a fascinating game, despite its didactic tendencies, with relatively few flaws. It is well worth acquiring, especially if you enjoy stealth. Just don't expect to be playing it years into the future, the way people play Morrowind or Oblivion.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Gamers on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM PST.

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  •  Looking forward to this (5+ / 0-)

    Still waiting for it to come down in price. My backlog is massive AND the Steam sale started today.

    I love that the Steampunk atmosphere is like a love letter to the Thief series. I need to play those games again. It might be tough to go back to after playing Dishonored.

    Thanks for the review!

  •  I haven't managed to complete on Low Chaos (4+ / 0-)

    but my first time through I just destroyed everyone who got in my way (AKA "High Chaos").  Then on the final mission, when Sam started to criticize me, I killed him, as well.

    I've been slowly working my way through on low chaos, or at least I had been until TSW dropped its subscription fee....

    BTW there's new DLC available, a sort of obstacle course to complete for achievements. Haven't yet purchased it.

    Barack Obama for President

    by looty on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:46:47 PM PST

    •  I'm not very impressed with the first DLC. (3+ / 0-)
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      looty, Anton Bursch, DeadHead

      It seems meant mostly as a quasi-online component, in that you can compete against the scores of your friends. Also as stress relief for people who don't like having to restrain themselves too much. I'm waiting for the second and third DLC, which are story-driven as opposed to accomplishment-driven.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:57:26 PM PST

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      •  Yes I've heard about the 2nd DLC (3+ / 0-)
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        sagesource, Anton Bursch, DeadHead

        that it will be the story of Daud.  Wonder if you'll get to fight Corvo?

        Didn't know they've already announced a 3rd DLC as well.

        Barack Obama for President

        by looty on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:05:14 PM PST

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        •  No details on the third yet, but it will come. (3+ / 0-)
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          looty, Anton Bursch, DeadHead

          They've carved quite a world out for themselves and gotten started on the back story, so they have plenty of room. I hope they put some real work into the back story; I'm an obsessive book reader in Skyrim and even wrote some fanfic of my own. One of the chief attractions of the Elder Scrolls games is their incredibly detailed context.

          I believe the DLC about Daud will cover his earlier life, his encounter with the Outsider and his career as an assassin. Though it might be about his life after he's defeated by Corvo (if his being spared becomes game canon), his return to his home town and later adventures.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:15:59 PM PST

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          •  I salute you (3+ / 0-)
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            Anton Bursch, sagesource, DeadHead

            for reading the Skyrim books. I just chuck 'em if they don't give a skill boost. :)

            Barack Obama for President

            by looty on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:38:23 PM PST

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            •  Elder Scrolls backstory is like quicksand.... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...if once you get in, you never get out again. Over the years, an enormous amount of material has piled up, and it's reasonably consistent. You know you're really lost when you start writing fanfic.....

              "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

              by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:01:50 PM PST

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              •  I hear that. I read almost the entire (1+ / 0-)
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                sagesource

                Elder Scrolls wiki site. The lore is extremely rich and incredibly detailed.

                (Playing in reverse order through the series, as I did, having discovered the series through skyrim, was an initial shock... Oblivion takes a lot of modding to start to approach where skyrim starts.)

                Epic series.




                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
                ~ Jerry Garcia

                by DeadHead on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:10:21 AM PST

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                •  There are supposed to be.... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ....over eight hundred separate useable books in Skyrim (many carried over from Morrowind and Oblivion, of course), and while I don't know about that, the list of books on the wiki goes on for miles. Some of the stories are decent, such as The Mystery of Princess Talara, Aevar Stone-singer, and The Fall of the Snow Prince.

                  "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                  by sagesource on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:46:50 AM PST

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    •  i played like a sociopath for the first few levels (3+ / 0-)
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      but then i got lectured and realized that this was a game that i could actually play without killing anyone.  after finishing the game i decided to start over and play without killing anyone (except zombies).  i just got to the part where i rescue the girl.  i was about to play right now before I decided to check Daily Kos real quick before playing.  i bought the DLC and it's kinda fun, but let's just say it's not worth more than the price.

      so long and thanks for all the fish

      by Anton Bursch on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:59:11 PM PST

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      •  Actually, you have to leave the zombies too. (3+ / 0-)
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        SoCaliana, DeadHead, demimondian

        Killing a Weeper counts the same as killing a civilian, which I believe counts more than killing a member of the Watch. You'll see why if you end the game on Low Chaos and pay attention to the vignettes displayed during the Outsider's valedictory talk.

        It's the only game I've ever seen that worries about zombie rights, but there is a sensible reason behind this concern.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:04:27 PM PST

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    •  I know this is off topic (1+ / 0-)
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      SoCaliana

      but how is TSW? I wanted to get in on it but wasn't while it was subscription based

      do you think it will last?

  •  I loved the nod to the Thief series. (4+ / 0-)

    The training set up of shadows on that level, and the Keepers.
    I still prefer the 'stealth' from Thief over stealth in Dishonored. I had high hopes for this game and while it was enjoyable, I've hit a all on replay value and any desire to go for some of the more esoteric 'trophies' available.

    I'd rather start another Skyrim game. Much more potential and Elder Scrolls online - I hope will not be disappointing.

    I'm probably getting my hopes up that the next Thief is going to impress me as much as Thief and Thief II though.

    -6.38, -6.21: Lamented and assured to the lights and towns below, Faster than the speed of sound, Faster than we thought we'd go, Beneath the sound of hope...

    by Vayle on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:49:04 PM PST

    •  Any firm date on TESOnline? (3+ / 0-)
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      sagesource, Anton Bursch, DeadHead

      All I've found is "Sometime in 2013".

      I must confess I'm a little worried that it will suck; even though pretty much everything Bethesda does is high quality, they've never done an MMO before.

      But if it doesn't I'll definitely be playing.  I've played the crap out of every TES game since Morrowind.

      Barack Obama for President

      by looty on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:58:10 PM PST

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      •  When the gods will, I suspect. (2+ / 0-)
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        Anton Bursch, DeadHead

        I'm a little bit cool on it because it appears to be third-person and I usually avoid third-person games -- for some reason I just can't get used to an outside perspective. However, my lady is determined to go through every corner of it and so I'd better be there. Even if I find it painful to play, it should be interesting.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:08:36 PM PST

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        •  I just wonder (2+ / 0-)
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          TES games (and other Bethesda properties like F3 and Dishonored) have physics models. You don't "roll to hit" an enemy, you just hit it if it's where your attack happens to be.

          AFAIK no MMO does this because of latency issues.  The ability to model physics in real time, in a server-client architecture, is a huge challenge... so most MMO's just have a "% to hit" engine.

          I haven't read too much about TES Online but I wonder if they'll be able to do that or not.

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          by looty on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:18:51 PM PST

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          •  No official dates. I hope they take their time. (2+ / 0-)
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            Better to delay it by months, even if it rolls into 2014 than to put out a crappy product and rush to patch and update.

            I had high hopes for Age of Conan a few years back. I don't want to see Bethesda make FunCom's mistakes.

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            by Vayle on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 04:12:54 PM PST

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        •  3rd person was tough for me too (1+ / 0-)
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          Mass Effect and Dead Space series helped me get over that.




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          by DeadHead on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:13:12 AM PST

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          •  I found.... (1+ / 0-)
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            ....I couldn't handle The Witcher because it was third person; I simply couldn't figure out how to move accurately, much less how to fight. (There also seemed to be way too many cut scenes, like a movie occasionally interrupted by a game, but maybe that's just my imagination.)

            "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

            by sagesource on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:26:55 AM PST

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            •  I know what you mean... (1+ / 0-)
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              I couldn't get into The Witcher either, or Dragon Age 2.

              The best games give you a choice. Sometimes it's cool to move to 3rd person to see the drama of things, like skyrim, but I much prefer 1st person.

              Mass Effect and Dead Space were so compelling otherwise, that  I had no choice but to adapt. Now that I recall, the combat in those two games actually did go to more of a 1st person view, more so with Mass Effect. That's probably why I didn't have as much of a problem getting used to them.




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              by DeadHead on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:23:15 AM PST

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  •  Its a wonderful game. (5+ / 0-)

    Sadly, it's too damn hard even on easy.

    After nearly 30 hours of saving and reloading the first mission because of my complete suck-itude at stealth, I was forced to just say "screw it" and am doing a high-chaos playthough just to see the rest of the story.

    Maybe I'll be able to come back to it and try to do a low-stealth playthrough, but odds are thell be just too much else coming out to make that plausible (Just got "The Secret World" now that they've dropped the subscription requirement.)- I may have to settle for watching the "good" ending on Youtube.

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    by Whimsical on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:57:41 PM PST

    •  You have to get used to its conventions. (4+ / 0-)

      Especially the overpowering need to evade rather than go into combat.

      The first level, the prison break, is actually unusually hard and might count as a sin against play balance. You don't have any of your magical powers yet, not even Blink, and only get the crossbow and a measly three sleep bolts half-way through. It was one of the most difficult levels to get Ghost/Clean Hands on (no sightings, no kills). The other tough level was the Flooded District, because it's far too long and makes the second part of the game unbalanced. It's murder to get Ghost on that level because the game doesn't necessarily tell you if someone's sighted you, and so you have to do the whole damned level again without knowing where you screwed up. Also, if you've done the Granny Rags side missions, it's almost impossible to get Ghost on that level (there is a way, which I discovered after a great deal of experimentation).

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:04:35 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for the detailed write-up! (3+ / 0-)
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    I think I'll try this out over the vacation days from work. I loved playing Thief 1 and 2.

    Right now I'm playing TSW and still enjoying GW2, but this would be a good break to try.

    Great post, sagesource.

    PS, hope you don't mind I will add Daily Kos Gamers to your tags :)

    •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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      I posted it to the blog, and then forgot the tag...ooops.

      One major difference from Thief, I believe, is that darkness is relatively ineffective in hiding you from enemies. It only increases your concealment at a distance. It's reasonable in a way, but the design team also expressed a dislike for total darkness, as hiding all the work they'd done, and I don't believe there's anywhere in the game that is pitch black. This dislike for darkness gets a bit absurd in the Kaldwin's Bridge level, where everybody is talking as if it were night, but the place is lit up as if it were about 4 in the afternoon.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:08:04 PM PST

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  •  Sold. (3+ / 0-)
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    And they should pay you a commission because I had assumed this was Yet Another Stupid Shooter (TM) and had not planned to check it out. It's a Thief game? Gimme.

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    by eataTREE on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 03:14:55 PM PST

    •  A shooter.... (4+ / 0-)

      ....where it's best not to shoot, lol.

      I understand where you got your impression from. The ad trailers were extremely violent by game standards, certainly not the way you'd play in a Low Chaos run. On top of that, at least one of the trailers got numerous details of the game wrong.

      I wish advertising would grow up enough to realize that a trailer showing, for instance, how you can sneak into the meeting room of the High Overseer and spirit him away to the Interrogation Room to meet his (non-lethal) doom, without killing anyone or even being seen, would be just as enthralling and much more distinctive than showing Corvo busting doors and whacking guards.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 03:46:47 PM PST

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      •  I love that representation (3+ / 0-)
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        "A shooter where it's best not to shoot"

        Sadly, all my Windows boxes are stale now...and have been since I finished the last installment of Thief.  Otherwise, I'd try this out.

      •  This game is F!@#$$ HARD!! (1+ / 0-)
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        I think Stealth Mode consists of Corvo putting a finger to his lips and stage-whispering "Be vewy, vewy quiet!" 'cos it sure doesn't seem to make him less noticeable than that. Lara Croft could out-jump-and-climb Corvo any day of the week; his vaunted teleportation appears to have a range of about six feet; and his skill with the blade is good for taking down one foe, maybe two, certainly no more than that. In short, I'm one man, perhaps individually formidable, but nevertheless very much one solitary man versus a plague-infested city of psychopaths, and I'm frightened, mommy!

        ...In other words, it's the best shooter/stealth sneaker I've played in a decade. Thank you so much for this review.

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        by eataTREE on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:22:13 AM PST

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  •  I didn't care for it. (5+ / 0-)

    I did manage to beat it with zero kills, and honestly it felt fairly empty to me.   The plot was a bit cookie cutter, and honestly I play most games for storyline.  The twist was utterly predictable, and overall... just meh.

    Of course, I feel a game that covered similar ground, but with a much better story was Alpha Protocol. Many can and do disagree with me on this one , but I personally preferred the setting, and the fact that non-lethal combat was rewarded better and was more visually and emotionally fun.

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    by detroitmechworks on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 04:09:12 PM PST

  •  Excellent Diary and Review (4+ / 0-)

    Even though I absolutely LOVE Bethsda's games i'm not sure if this one would be up my alley. I've found that I'm not very good at games that emphasize stealth more than anything else. I haven't finished otherwise great games like Arkham Asylum and Deus Ex for precisely that reason. When stealth becomes too difficult for me I resort to shooting first and asking questions later and the fact that I could do that in the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games is one of the reasons I love them so much.

    I'm going to wait until the price drops from $60 before giving this one a try.

  •  Awesome...a video game write-up on DKos... (4+ / 0-)

    keep this up, and definitely WON'T need to visit any other site on the interwebs...haha.

    Also...I wasn't interested in Dishonored as I thought it was just another FPS-type game...having read your review, I've changed my mind. I absolutely loved the Thief series, and if this game encourages stealth and non-killing, then I'm going to buy it.

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    by JWK on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:45:11 PM PST

    •  I've done a few others.... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....usually shooting myself in the foot by posting at weird hours. "Ah yes, I am awake at 4 am on a Monday morning, so others must be too!"

      The one that I think deserves more attention than it got (though it was my own fault; look at when I posted it) is the review of Analogue: A Hate Story by Christine Love. The game is a one-woman show, the script all Love's original work, and it's a great achievement by a woman on the autism spectrum who apparently has to struggle to write anything at all. (IIRC she said she had to get drunk to write.) If that is true, I hope she has a very tough liver, because I'd like to see much more from her.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:23:37 PM PST

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  •  I love this game. It's like an unofficial Thief 4! (2+ / 0-)
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    so long and thanks for all the fish

    by Anton Bursch on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:51:17 PM PST

  •  I did do a high chaos finish (3+ / 0-)
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    mostly cause I felt like it and to get teh achievement

    It certainly gets more progressively harder but gods Corvo can be such an engine of death

  •  Wow. I think I just found my favorite group (2+ / 0-)
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    How I missed this group so far, I do not know.

    Avid PC gamer here. FPS, RPG's are my speciality.

    Finished dishonored a while ago. Only one play through, so far.

    Currently playing Far Cry 3 on a severely inadequate rig.

    Will be following your group. :)




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:56:41 AM PST

  •  Better than IGN (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Nice diary. I have Dishonored but haven't really (2+ / 0-)
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    had a chance to delve into it, I've only played about an hour so far. Heard great things about it and I really enjoyed your diary.

    I have so many games right now that I am playing (lots of single player games plus guild wars 2) that I am finding it hard to jump into another.

    "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." Morpheus - The Matrix

    by pot on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:22:33 AM PST

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