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This will be a short diary, but I just want to get something out that I think matters.  As everyone knows, the NRA suggested that every school in America should have armed officers stationed in them.  This is clearly stupid.  As several have noted, Columbine had an armed officer, Fort Hood was full of them, etc., etc., and etc.  Similarly, lots of folks have noted it would cost a bundle, and of course the NRA and Republicans have no intention to pay for it (nor to pay for the national mental health care that would be required to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill for that matter).  This proposal, is very simply bullshit...we all know that.

But there is another problem with the idea of putting police in schools...let's call it mission creep.

Let's just say we put armed police in every school.  What do those police do in all the time they are not defending their schools from gun carrying crazies?  I mean this literally.  Let's face it, most of these folks will never be needed to defend the school ...these officers will be walking through empty halls, bored out of their fucking minds.  They will be costing taxpayers money.  

So folks will get a bright idea...why don't we involve these law enforcement professionals in dealing with more 'typical' law enforcement issues within the school.  So, the resident police can look around for students who sell dope, they can involve themselves with suspected cases of children who are abused at home.  Who could possibly oppose that, we don't want our kids smoking dope and we certainly want to protect children who are abused...right?

And so, the armed law enforcement we have in the schools leads, through a process of mission creep, into making in-school offenses more and more a part of the legal, rather than educational, system.  Hell, this process is already happening, with all manner of idiotic zero tolerance policies for weapons, drugs, truancy, etc., etc., etc.  We have all heard the various crazy suspensions--the girls suspended for bringing Motrin to school (like they don't get cramps), or kids suspended for bringing in a butter knife for their lunch.

With cops in the schools, this process will only accelerate, cause the cops are gonna be really, really bored...really really expensive and available to deal with all those little problems that the overworked teachers and administrators don't have time to do.

So, this idea is not simply stupid, not simply expensive...its even a bad idea if it was free.

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  •  I Went To Military Schools (7+ / 0-)

    almost my entire life. I can recall no time where I didn't go to school on a non-military base. We never had an armed person in said school.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:08:24 PM PST

  •  Yup - Seen it first hand: (8+ / 0-)

    Went to HS in the 1980s. We had a security guard, ostensibly hired to protect the students and faculty from rising school violence (in one of the wealthiest counties with the best schools in the US: Fairfax Co., VA).
    The guard spent most of his time harassing skateboarders and smokers. There were still fights. Gangs actually got worse as the 90s approached.

    "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes begging." - Luther

    by Cartoon Messiah on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:33:06 PM PST

    •  Bored cops are a big problem. (9+ / 0-)

      I don't think people really understand that till they have lived in a town with little need for police, but has police anyway.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:39:00 PM PST

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    •  Also (2+ / 0-)
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      I still count myself lucky that I graduated HS before Columbine and the reaction to all that.

      Was I a moody loner?...check
      Did I wear grey and black trenchcoats?...check
      Did I listen to depressing and violent music?...check
      Did I hate most of my classmates?...check
      Did I do illegal drugs?...check
      Did I skip school often?...check
      Did I enjoy making small bombs and blowing shit up in the woods?...big check

      Did I have any interest in blowing up or otherwise hurting other students in my school?...No, i just wanted to get the fuck out of that place.

      Yup, my life woulda have been hell if I went to school 5 years later.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:48:06 PM PST

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  •  LaPierre and the NRA board 'good gun owners' (7+ / 0-)



    They can continue to change their name, but the World will always know them for who they really are and what they really do!!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:38:03 PM PST

  •  Really insightful! (5+ / 0-)

    I wish more people were capable of thinking, as you did, "What happens next?".

  •  You are an observant and thoughtful sentinel for (3+ / 0-)
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    writing this diary --  WELL DONE!!

  •  More Guns needed to fight gov't tyranny (3+ / 0-)
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    More armed cops provide more evidence that NRA members need more ammo to protect themselves against government tyranny, which puts more military grade weapons on the street, which brings calls for more armed police, which provides more evidence that NRA members need more ammo to protect themselves against government tyranny, which puts more military grade weapons on the street, which brings calls for more armed police, which provides more evidence that. . . .

    Oh fuck it.

    I have never seen a more perfect illustration of Michel Foucault's thesis that power and resistance to power are often the very same thing.  They depend, support, invoke, rationalize, and justify one another.

    "Evil resides in the very gaze which perceives Evil all around." -- GWF Hegel

    by Fatherflot on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:55:28 PM PST

  •  What the hey, why only put cops in the schools (3+ / 0-)
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    when we can streamline the "school to prison pipeline" right to the end result with private prison guards and their dogs right in the public schools?

    Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Monkeys kill people too, if they have guns.

    by DaNang65 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:57:46 PM PST

    •  Scary thing, that's exactly what would happen (4+ / 0-)

      and we both know it.

      I took a long drive yesterday out to Kitt Peak, down to Arivica and back.

      Passed the Wackenhut busses parked, waiting for the Border Patrol to drop off prisoners.  Our own little mercenaries, ready for whatever little war is at hand.  Whether it be in Africa, the middle-middle east, the border with Mexico, the inner-city or our elementary schools.

      I loved your Reddington Pass diary a few days back.  I was thinking while I drove yesterday that a borderlands "road trip" diary might be interesting.  I mean seriously, on my drove I was passed by at least 2-3 border patrol cars for every 1 private car.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:04:18 PM PST

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      •  The BP to ordinary looking car ratio out that way, (2+ / 0-)
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        without considering the ordinary looking cars with DHS federal plates on them, is astounding. If you went from Kitt Peak to Arrivaca the back way you're lucky you didn't get the full treatment.

        I used to go to the duty free store in Nogales quite regularly and it was always disturbing to me to see the Wackenhut (now G4S, kinda like Blackwater thought they'd worn out their name too) busses right at the border, disgorging their passengers. I've never seen such a collectively defeated collection of human beings in my life as the deportees
        Imagine going through all that trouble to make the trip north, investing your family's savings on coyotes, facing untold dangers, natural and man made, only to wind up being marched back into Mexico at the point of a gun?

        An assault rifle.

        Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Monkeys kill people too, if they have guns.

        by DaNang65 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:31:31 PM PST

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        •  I'm white, I drive a subaru (2+ / 0-)
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          and I literally was never asked a single question at all the checkpoints I went through (3 or so).

          And yeah, that's the thing about moving down here...I never 'got it' about the border till I had been here a few years.  The beauty, the sorrow, the melancholy and the the sheer insanity of it all.  

          I'm still learning.

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:37:55 PM PST

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  •  As a law enforcement officer (3+ / 0-)

    I would do the job for extra money on my days off as would many of my fellow officers,but not for free and with conditions. I would want it crystal clear that I am there to guard the school from intruders not to deal with school bull like drugs,fights,etc. If a kid brings a gun into school while I check them in that's fair game,but most other daily crap would not be. Police Union would work all that out with the schools.

    •  I respect your stance (2+ / 0-)
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      But i went through heck with a teenage son who was  messing with grass and just doing dumb crap. Never hurt anyone. But those encounters brought me into about four years of frequent contact with law enforcement and the courts. I SAW the joy and thrill of eight cops in my house looking for a bag of weed. I FELT the disdain and disrespect these officers had toward my wife and me. I PAID the price that entering the INDUSTRY of Law Enforcement, Courthouses, and Jails demands. And when I couldn't pay the price of a lawyer....off he went to Jail for thirty days. More than once.

      So I respect your stance CE. And a few times during those four years I would catch the eyes of an officer or court house person and know that they realized that ALL of this was just a huge waste of time and resources. They realized this dumb arse kid was no more threat to the community than my little dog. But i realized, "They're just doing their job."

      It's a bad idea.

      The Ghost of Tom Joad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVZHCUbS4U

      by Illinois IRV on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:36:28 PM PST

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      •  I'm sorry for what you had to go through (2+ / 0-)
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        It must be hard as a parent to watch your child go to jail and you as a parent be disrespected in the process. I have always made an effort to be as respectful to people in the course of my duties as possible,but in the end I must follow the law as it is my job. In regard to law enforcement in schools if that is the route that communities chose I would only want to be there to do my best to protect children and staff. I don't want to be involved in kids bringing drugs to schools or arresting people for fights. Honestly I don't think you could guard a school if you had that other stuff to worry about. I feel this may be the next step because these guns aren't going away. The gun lobby is strong and gop has the House. They should ban assault weapons,but they won't. This is the bandaid effect.

        •  I guess that what (3+ / 0-)
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          iL and I are both worried about is that if a uniformed police officer sees a,kid smoking a join, for example, do they reallY have the discretion to ignore it?  Even if they do, how many would?

          My main concern, however, is that this could not be cops,on their days off, there just aren't enough to do that for every school, every day.  I would guess that this would rapidly become outsourced, and it,would mostly be retired cops...bored out of their minds waiting for a possible shooter, day in, day out.

          I really think that fairly quickly, the admin and parents would demand that the security guard do more. Just imagine what would happen when a cop ignored a kid smoking a joint, the kid gets caught, and tells everybody that officer X saw me and did nothing.  It would go south very quickly.

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:39:15 PM PST

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      •  So stop the WoD: legalize weed (0+ / 0-)

        tax the crap out of it, and put a stop to the BS.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:51:34 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, and control guns and get mental health (0+ / 0-)

          programs back up to speed. There's a lot of BS to which to put a stop.

          -- We are just regular people informed on issues

          by mike101 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:40:43 PM PST

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          •  yes. There is. Starting with cutting OASDI (0+ / 0-)

            to give the Wall Street Thieves more money to play with.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

            by BlackSheep1 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:45:13 AM PST

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