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kieranhealy.org via Ezra Klein

Last night was a candlelight vigil in Newtown where the First Selectwoman (that's like the town mayor) was given a national sympathy card—with over 2 million signatures from around the world:

“We wish to express our deepest sympathies to all of the families of those lost, to the survivors and their families, and to the others impacted by the senseless and unthinkable tragedy that unfolded at Sandy Hook Elementary School. We cannot begin to comprehend the depth of your sadness and grief. Please know that we care deeply for you and we join with you in sharing your sorrow and pain. We only hope that you receive some measure of comfort in the knowledge that we, and an entire nation, stand with you during this extraordinarily difficult time.”
Thank you two million times over. Things like this help.

And then there's the NRA.

WaPo:

The vice president of the National Rifle Association said steps other than gun control, like cracking down on criminals and fighting violence in the media, would be most effective.
Let's put tanks in the library and nuclear weapons in the cafeteria. Nice try, but the American people recognize this for the cowardly dodge away from assault weapons control that it is. Try representing gun owners instead of gun manufacturers for a change, okay?

And, no, this isn't a frickin' horse race.

But what LaPierre’s press conference did is make clear that those who had begun to call the Newtown shooting a tipping point in the gun control debate may have to rethink that assessment.
And even if it were, you guys are not very good at calling them anyway. In any case, stop rolling over on your back when the NRA barks.

NPR:

The NRA chief's statement was interrupted twice by protesters — including one who said the NRA had blood on its hands.

In response to LaPierre, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein noted that about a third of the nation's schools already have armed guards.

"Is this the answer? That America should become an armed camp?" said Feinstein, who is sponsoring legislation to reinstate a ban on assault weapons. "I don't think so, and I don't think that's the American dream."

Jonathan Capehart:
When the NRA broke its silence on Dec. 18, the gun rights group promised it was “prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.” LaPierre failed miserably at that task. What he had to say was not what the American people wanted to hear, needed to hear. What he said was an insult.
Marginalized Third Way founders try to stay relevant by claiming common sense ideas are theirs and theirs alone.
If Democrats and their progressive allies are to achieve real gains during Obama’s second term, they must understand how we got here, and they must be willing to challenge some of their most cherished ideas and messages. If they do not, this historic opportunity could easily be squandered.
Uh-huh. Read the article and try to find something new and unique that isn't already part of the Democratic message. The blindingly obvious, offered as wisdom and insight.

NY Times:

But if anything has been learned since [the election], it’s that the president’s power in Washington remains severely constrained by a Republican opposition establishment that is bitter about its losses, unmoved by Mr. Obama’s victory and unwilling to compromise on social policy, economics or foreign affairs. House Republicans, in particular, argue that they won elections as well and they see their ability to retain control of the House as granting them the right to stick to their own views even when they clash strongly with the president's.
So the Times is calling them bitter and uncompromising dead-enders? Accurate observation.

How bad is it for the GOP? So bad that even Jennifer Rubin gets it:

This sort of display suggests Republicans are not capable of governing. What was an argument by Democrats (They are unreasonable! They only care for the rich!) is now a political reality.

When I posed the question “What next?” to several senior Republicans, the answer came back, ” I really don’t know” or “Good question.” What we do know is that House Republicans may have confirmed the good judgment of the American people in keeping divided government. Goodness knows none of these people can be trusted.

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Priscilla Gilman:

Let me clear up a few misconceptions. For one thing, Asperger’s and autism are not forms of mental illness; they are neurodevelopmental disorders or disabilities. Autism is a lifelong condition that manifests before the age of 3; most mental illnesses do not appear until the teen or young adult years. Medications rarely work to curb the symptoms of autism, but they can be indispensable in treating mental illness like obsessive-compulsive disorder, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

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  •  This tweet shows how much LaPierre's reasoning is (3+ / 0-)

    BS.

    @ron_fournier: We need more good guys with alcohol. RT @eliasisquith: Alcohol is bad for you

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:33:28 AM PST

  •  Guns, Smoke, and Mirros (3+ / 0-)
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    is  a post inspired by the column of that title by Charles M. Blow

    I invite you to read this post

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:33:58 AM PST

  •  Well NRA true to their mission (13+ / 0-)

    seeing the death of those kids as a money making opportunity.

    That alone should make people sick.

  •  I argued last week sometime that (15+ / 0-)

    autism/aspergers were not mental illnesses and that they were disabilities......

    somebody insisted they were mental illnesses.

    I feel vindicated.

    •  Autism Spectrum Disorders are mental illnesses (0+ / 0-)

      As defined by the DSM-IV. They are classified as Childhood Disorders and often considered to be developmental disorders.

      There are behavioral treatments for Autism Spectrum Disorders, though not cures. Behavior Modification, behavior plans, anger management, anxiety reduction, to name a few. Not my current area of expertise, but I have worked as a house psychologist with adults with learning disabilities, mental retardation, and autism spectrum.

      I also have two family members diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders greatly benefited from mental health interventions. The reality is that genetic and environmental factors probably contribute, but that does not preclude the disorders from being mental health issues. Depression, anxiety are similarly caused by a confluence of genetics and environment.

      To say autism is not a mental health issue is pessimism not warranted. Defunding community mental health, school counseling programs, independent living apartments, group homes, etc contributes to more problems. Also, fund the arts, music, libraries, counseling in the schools to help teach creative thinking and humanism.

      Gilman has no posted credentials to support her assertions, it is only op-ed.

      "It's the economy, stupid!" James Carville

      by BlueBeaumontBoyz on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:24:46 AM PST

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  •  It's easy to be obstructionists when you have (7+ / 0-)

    this:

    House Republicans, in particular, argue that they won elections as well and they see their ability to retain control of the House as granting them the right to stick to their own views

    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:53:34 AM PST

    •  Hey senate rethugs.....Boner's gonna need a little (4+ / 0-)

      help.....The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    •  An illegitimate Hose majority (4+ / 0-)

      House Republicans won one million fewer votes in 2012, but true to form, resorted to trickery to keep their grasp on power.

      •  About That "Illegitimate" House Majority (5+ / 0-)

        It was made possible by the 2010 Great White Anti-Obama Backlash in which RepubliKlans not only took over the US House, they also came to dominate many formerly blue states - such as PA, OH, MI, and WI - and were able to use the 2010 Census to gerrymander their state congressional districts to favor the GOP

        Elections have consequences!

        Perhaps if in 2010, White America had not lost whatever minds they have, they would have voted for for their own best interest, instead of hating on that Black guy in their White House.

        Then again, as White Americans voted RepubliKlan at even a higher percentage in 2012 than in 2010, it seems that they still have a long way to go in regards to voting their interests instead of their bigotry.

        I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

        by OnlyWords on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:54:57 AM PST

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        •  Consider this: that Republicans see voting (0+ / 0-)

          their bigotry as voting their interests.  Republicans gives the impression of being much more wedded to their bigotry, discrimination and need to control others (while harping on their own "freedoms") than Democrats.  The Democratic party appears to have fewer single-issue voters than Republicans.  It appears that most Democrats see economic interests as paramount; Republican voters consider other interests more important than economic interests.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:22:17 AM PST

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        •  Basis of the Republicans' House majority: (2+ / 0-)
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          Gerrymandering at the state level, plain and simple.

      •  Haven't they heard of gerrymandering? (2+ / 0-)
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        The Republicans who claim that they have a popular mandate forgot about all the gerrymandering they've done in so many state legislatures.

        In North Carolina especially, the Republican ability to draw the lines was more responsible for the GOP majority in the House than any real popular support for their policies.

        The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:23:12 AM PST

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        •  Uh huh, and they are good at it. CONSEQUENCES. (1+ / 0-)
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          Elections have consequences, all elections. Thus, "the people voted" in 2009 in Virginia and 2010 elsewhere to put these retrograde TP/GOP types into office precisely before a gerrymandering party could begin.

          Anybody here that sat out those state and local elections has only to look in the mirror to find some blame. Make sure it does not happen in any election, particularly 2013 in Virginia and 2014 elsewhere.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:21:47 AM PST

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      •  Failure Of Democracy (2+ / 0-)
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        Governments in a Democracy should reflect the popular will. Shouldn't there be some splintering of House Republicans who moderate their views to join with the Democrats to at times form a majority coalition in the House? So gerrymandering, outside money and fear of a teabagger taking them on in a primary has made this natural democratic process unmentionable. Saw Nate silver's latest about potential house governing coalitions and a Democratic minority combing with Republican moderates is not even considered.  So this is the status quo until hopefully Democratic wins in 2020 will allow them to redistrict. This is the most depressing element in politics today.

        •  Outta, couldda, wouldda—nope! They won in the (2+ / 0-)
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          political districts that count. "Should" is just hot air.

          We let that happen in many places by not pushing just as hard in mid-terms that selected the state legislatures that would create the Congressional Districts for the next decade and the 2012 House. In the absence of many Obama supporters their side won and still will speak in the House for two more years, probably figuratively breaking Obama's ankle in a delaying action hoping for another sweep in 2014 where they can retake the Senate.

          We had better not let that happen. In military terms winning those presidential years, celebrating and going home is like winning one battle without mopping up to find an insurgent war in your rear. We'd damn well better learn to mop up!

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:27:48 AM PST

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          •  The Casual Democratic Voter (1+ / 0-)
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            Voting only in the presidential years. To a great extent they might be low information and not fully realize the role they play in the current situation.

            •  That is one of our biggest problems. (0+ / 0-)

              Republican allies in the mega churches have that bully pulpit to turn out the religious right base. We had union halls, but what has replaced that?

              One of the difficulties I see in the "progressive" and "liberal" voter (and I have that tendency myself) is that they tend to not be joiners. From churches to clubs we tend to not get into those close, regular groups to organize things.

              As an old guy I also see a declining understanding of civics and the gut sense that turning out for every election is how you can occasionally get and keep the good and at least give the worst of two bad choices the boot. That last is very important in the local elections where so many of these idiots get first office, name recognition and a step to higher office.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:58:24 PM PST

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      •  Republican gerrymandering plus right wing.. (1+ / 0-)
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        ..supreme court made it possible for GOP to keep the house that more American voted for Democrats
        Why Americans Actually Voted For A Democratic House
        http://thinkprogress.org/...
        House Democrats got more votes than House Republicans. Yet Boehner says he’s got a mandate?
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
        How Ridiculous Gerrymanders Saved the House Republican Majority
        http://www.slate.com/...

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        Mother Jones - Now that's what I call gerrymandering!

    •  You can't gerrymander by yourself. (0+ / 0-)

      The Democrats cooperate in this process in every state.   It's not like any one party can stack the deck.   The system does not work that way.  Geez, I wish people would read a book or two before they spout off.  

      Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

      by SpamNunn on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:20:25 PM PST

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  •  If I understood MSNBC correctly (5+ / 0-)

    The House GOP reps who lost in November have blown town and will not return.

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:01:19 AM PST

    •  Interesting. (2+ / 0-)
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      I always figured they stayed til the end of the term, but I guess it's hard to picture people like Joe Walsh actually coming back after Christmas to do more work.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:17:29 AM PST

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  •  what's underneath is revealed (8+ / 0-)

    Mother Jones takes in the way back machine to 2006 with this article on the NRA's brochure for that year

    "Second Amendment freedom today stands naked in the path of a marching axis of adversaries far darker and more dangerous than gun owners have ever known." So opens "Freedom in Peril," a slick 2006 brochure by the National Rifle Association that serves up the group's agenda with a heavy dose of omnious hyperbole. The UN and George Soros are coming for your guns! PETA will ban hunting! Suburban dads must defend their families from torch-carrying marauders!


    BoingBoing still has the full document; download it here.
    The last page of the brochure
    Epilogue
    You have learned of the disquieting and daunting
    nature of the many foes standing against our Second
    Amendment freedoms.
    You understand that victory can no longer be borne
    solely by the masses.
    So goes the saga of liberty. Sometimes, any hope of
    prevailing rests in the hearts and hands of a very urgent
    few, those patriots prepared to protect and pass on to
    future generations this most precious and hard-won
    of all human freedoms.
    A handful of capable Americans can rise to meet this
    momentous occasion. They must first recognize the
    threats that NRA faces at this dire hour, as this book
    seeks to illustrate.
    Those Americans, we hope, are on the threshold of
    helping underwrite this mission.
    The towering waves of this coming storm are already
    crashing on our doorsteps.

    Hobbs: "How come we play war and not peace?" Calvin: "Too few role models."

    by BOHICA on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:06:06 AM PST

  •  That has been our saving grace these last (6+ / 0-)

    few years that the masks have begun to shred and wear thin and hopefully those who think they are still concealed will notice that everyone is staring at THEM not at the mask.

    The Kochroaches and their little nest ALEC has been exposed. The repubs and their every crazier agenda has been scrubbed clean of any illusions. The climate change deniers have been found wanting in sense and sensibility. And now the NRA has been found wanting in the same. A lot of us knew all of these things but they have had friends in high places and the tatters were not visible to some sizable numbers of folks.

    We have other illusions as well that we need to cease trying to project. Dems are not always are friends and we need to be able to push and pull them into OUR corner and to do it so strongly they cannot hide from us.  Banksters should have been jailed not whistle blowers and drones should never have been allowed to do the kinds of damage they are currently inflicting.

    American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

    by glitterscale on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:11:00 AM PST

  •  Make a chart like that at the top for other... (8+ / 0-)

    descriptors like education, violence, unemployment, obesity, (add your own).

    Does the South come out a winner each time? Why?


    An investment in knowledge pays the best interest. ~ Ben Franklin

    by jim in IA on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:12:11 AM PST

    •  I think we found the problem in this country (3+ / 0-)
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      Or a part of it.

    •  shhhh... we don't want to talk about poverty (4+ / 0-)

      much more to get one's head around.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:26:16 AM PST

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    •  Just to reiterate (0+ / 0-)

      The cities with the highest murder rate are New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Newark, Baltimore, Oakland, Kansas, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Cincinnati.  Only three of those cities are in the south, and only two in the real south.

      I know that it is fun to make fun of southern people.  Hell, when I want to sound like a stupid person I make a southern accent.  But blaming the south and to a lesser extent guns is not going to make any more difference than blaming video games and bowling.

      At least for non-southern states the murder problem appears to be more an issue of segregation than guns.

      The HuffPost reports that 119 kids 12 or younger were killed with guns.  So if we focus on guns and use the event to make fun of the south, some of those 119 kids will be saved.

      On the other hand, many more kids are killed in other ways, and I wish we could save those as well.  About 600 kids were murdered in 2011.  

      Don't get me wrong, I think for many people buying a gun is equivalent to stating one believes killing and violence is the best way to solve problems.  But that does not mean some people who do not have guns do not believe the same thing.  I believe that having anything more than a shotgun, especially a high capacity high power weapon, can indicate a desire to kill, but banning such weapons is not likely to save most of the 600 kids who are murdered.  It might save kids like those in CT, and prevent the PR nightmare the death of such kids entail, and maybe that is what everyone wants.

      But there is a culture of violence, promoted by some churches, promoted by those that who drive big cars by any means necessary, by those who attack their fellow person rather than first solvig problems by introspection and modeling best behaviors.  Get rid of the guns, sure, but also get rid of the fantasies that certain people are not the problem.

      •  not either or (5+ / 0-)

        and i have to say as  Newtown resident I'm seeing every discussion of non-gun policy issues as a dodge to avoid gun policy issues.

        I completely agree it's guns AND xxx, but it is not xxx INSTEAD OF guns. Gun policy is necessary but not sufficient; that does not mean waiting for a grand plan before acting on gun policy.

        So let's be clear. We don't need paralysis by analysis. Work on the gun issue then train our sights on something next.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:09:08 AM PST

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        •  going to be direct (0+ / 0-)

          I was speaking to the graph.  The graph is part of a continuing attack on the culture of the south in an effort to maximize the values of a few northern, often white, often rich interests.

          I spoke to the fact that the graph was misleading because the murder capitals of the nation, if not the first world are in the north.   In particular two of them are in what one would call the northeast.  This is not analysis, but reality.  If we don't want to become Fox news, we cannot just look at pretty pictures, but must look at facts.

          This graph is offensive because it makes it seem like some kids deserve to die because of the decisions made in the region, while others are victims because they do not live in a culture of fun violence.  This is a stupid argument to have.  The factors of violence are very complex.  Do women deserve to be raped because the live in Minnesota.  Of course not.  It is a problem that needs to be solved in that state,as well as violence against women in all states.

          Most of the discussion has been around large capacity clips.  Yes, this might solve the PR problem of having a bunch of kids killed all at one.  This may make people fell safer.  This will not necessarily solve the problem of at least 600 kids a year being killed every year in the US, or the one person killed every week with a gun who has no yet entered adult hood.  Unlike the maker of the graph, I do not believe these kids deserve less because they live in a place some would call uncivilized.  Some would call it so not because of the location, but because white non-hispanics are a minority.

          So we need to accept that a gun is intent to kill.  We need to accept that violence is not a solution.  Simply saying that we are going to limit the capability of the intent to kill is not enough.  Simply saying we are going to prevent the number of children that can be killed at one is not enough.  We need the courage to end the insanity of guns.

  •  The gun nuts are willing to give up every other... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...conservative position to keep their guns, and to be honest this is intriguing and tempting to me.  I wonder how much we could get out of them in the way of increased taxes on the wealthy and improved social services of all sorts (after all, it's not just mental illness that produces shoot-em-ups, it's poverty and bad schools and lack of jobs and the whole progressive critique of US capitalism, basically) in exchange for keeping their Bushmasters.  I'll trade social-democracy for a more, um, inclusive reading of the 2nd Amendment.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:13:58 AM PST

  •  In looking at the graph up top I wondered why it (3+ / 0-)
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    wasn't a graph for gun assaults or gun homicide. Not that it isn't important to know how many people are strangled too but the topic is guns.

    The link took me to Ezra Klien's very good article where again there was a mixing of statistics from gun deaths to assault to mass shootings.

    It's hard to get a grip on statistics when what is being quantified keeps changing. Suicides don't give me a good grasp on incidence of mass shootings. Likewise blunt force murder doesn't lead me to understand gun homicide.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:16:58 AM PST

    •  Here's a state-by-state map for guns. (2+ / 0-)
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      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:43:21 AM PST

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      •  That map certainly tells the story. (2+ / 0-)
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        I wish the mapmakers had used another color besides blue to mark the states with the highest death-by-firearms numbers, since they're almost all "red" states politically.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:17:15 AM PST

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      •  Hmmm (0+ / 0-)

        the other night I saw Heidi Heitcamp claiming that North Dakota had the nations highest rate of gun ownership but the lowest rate of gun violence. I think she was mistaken

        I STILL want to see Mitt's taxes.

        by Van Buren on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:32:45 AM PST

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      •  Extremely interesting map. (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for posting the link. At first I thought the red states (like California) had the most deaths by firearms and the blue states (like Florida) had the least, but the opposite is true.

        The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

        by ybruti on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 08:26:43 AM PST

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      •  Well that's the problem, your map tells me suicid (0+ / 0-)

        e rates not homicide, even though it's labeled gun deaths.

        Are we trying to reduce suicide? An admirable goal and certainly one I'd get behind as would most I'd think.

        The gun death in CT was only one suicide. A state by state for homicide might tell a vastly different story.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:13:34 AM PST

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  •  Jennifer Rubin has an epiphany....I hope it didn't (3+ / 0-)
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    hurt much.

  •  Jennifer Rubin doesn't get anything (2+ / 0-)
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    Being right by accident doesn't count.

    •  Rubin wasn't even right. (4+ / 0-)

      When she says this:

      What we do know is that House Republicans may have confirmed the good judgment of the American people in keeping divided government.
      Divided government has given us an obstructionist House that guarantees nothing that really needs to be accomplished will be while House Republicans thrash around trying to figure out how to govern.  They should figure this out on their own time, not while they're part of the country's governing body - the one with its hands on the purse strings.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:05:33 AM PST

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      •  I was trying to understand what she meant. (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe that the Senate and the Presidency are not Republican to allow the crazies in the House to have what they want?

        The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

        by ybruti on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 08:28:00 AM PST

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  •  So NRA wants congress (6+ / 0-)

    To ASAP appropriate money for armed guards....wow we can't afford social programs but we can afford this? Once again anti-government people wanted to control and regulate.

    Government isn't the answer to all our problems, but tax cuts, deregulation and greed are the source of many of them.

    by coffejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:28:11 AM PST

  •  Boehner's down.....so who speaks for the GOP?..... (1+ / 0-)
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    As Huelskamp demonstrated on Mourning Joke yesterday I think we're in for 'Idiot of the Week' for a few more months.

  •  LaPierre used (1+ / 0-)
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    Natural Born Killers and Thelma and Louise as examples of depictions of violence from Hollywood.  NBK came out in 1994. T&L came out in 1991.

    It's about time I changed my signature.

    by Khun David on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:46:23 AM PST

  •  If even Jennifer Rubin gets it, wonder what's (0+ / 0-)

    next from the Rethuglican war on society front?  Thanks for the roundup, Greg!

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:48:08 AM PST

  •  Did the shooter have Aspergers?.. (1+ / 0-)
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    As the son and brother of Aspies, I really doubt it.

    Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

    by al23 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:48:57 AM PST

  •  In other news, Republicans are holding up (4+ / 0-)
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    the senate's disaster relief bill, claiming it spends too much money and contains too many provisions that should be included in the regular budget (for which they plan to demand offsets in other spending).  They are claiming the bill is "loaded with pork."

    Here's the bill.  Decide for yourself whether this bill is larded up with pork or is simply addressing other disasters that have occurred over the past several years that have not previously been the subject of disaster relief because relief bills have been thwarted by congressional Republicans (wildfires, drought, agricultural and facilities and equipment damages, rebuilding costs).

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:53:48 AM PST

  •  The power of the NRA is overrated (1+ / 0-)
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    making them all the more powerful. Do people really vote based on "grades" given by lobby groups funded by the corporations who are trying to sell them shit? When I was a kid the NRA was equivalent to Ducks Unlimited - it's morphed into a danger to society.
    Yesterday was shameful - while the rest of the nation was opening up pain & sorrow on the one week anniversary of the disaster in Newtown, the head lobbyist was spouting off crazy & demonstrating why the NRA will never be part of the solution.

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:54:07 AM PST

    •  Short answer: (1+ / 0-)
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      Do people really vote based on "grades" given by lobby groups funded by the corporations who are trying to sell them shit?
      In this case, YES! There are thousands of "single issue, i.e. guns" voters out there. My FIL and BIL are among them, both responsible gun owners, but still have no knowledge or interest an any other political issue other than guns.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:08:06 AM PST

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  •  LaPierre: Guns don't kill; 30 year old movies kill (4+ / 0-)
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    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:57:26 AM PST

  •  avg deaths by region (1+ / 0-)
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    wow and not surprising. Many folks in the south and midwest, while proclaiming rugged individualism, fail to take much responsibility for their own heath. (true everywhere, but the number don't lie)

    Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

    by al23 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:57:36 AM PST

  •  Another day, another homocide. Four people killed (3+ / 0-)
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    by another insane gunman.  One poor woman while putting up Xmas decorations at a church.

    Time to put an armed police officer in every church.
    Right, LaPierre?

    "With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarky". - V.P. Joe Biden

    by Taxmancometh on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:01:02 AM PST

  •  Jennifer Rubin DOESN'T get it (5+ / 0-)
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    What we do know is that House Republicans may have confirmed the good judgment of the American people in keeping divided government. Goodness knows none of these people can be trusted.
    NOBODY voted for this bullshit.  If it wasn't for GOP gerrymandering there WOULD NOT BE a divided government.  The American people voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats.  The more the GOP fails to see that the more they will pay in future elections.  The GOP is increasingly becoming irrelevant and the only way they can hold onto power is to cheat: Have the Supreme Court reverse elections, draw favorable congressional district lines, suppress or steal the ability of US citizens to vote, rework the way our presidents and politicians get elected.  Desperate attempts to remain relevant because their policies suck and people see that.  At some point all their attempts will be overcome and the only way they will be able to remain in power is to attempt to overthrow the government altogether or blow up the party, shed it's extremes and move into the mainstream.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:03:16 AM PST

  •  LaPierre and (1+ / 0-)
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    Huckabee could have saved air time and issued a joint statement.  At least Huckabee didn't call a news conference to pronounce his nonsense.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:03:27 AM PST

    •  No, he has a fucking TV show to spew his filth. (0+ / 0-)

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:09:00 AM PST

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  •  "bitter and uncompromising dead-enders"? Partly... (2+ / 0-)
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    mainly, the GOP is nothing more than the KKK in three-piece suits.

    Their historically unprecedented obstructionism is merely reflected of the racism of the majority of White Americans who, twice, did their best to make sure that some Black guy did not get to live in their Whites-only House.

    But thanks to the fact that non-Whites are becoming an ever increasing proportion of the electorate, America was saved from devolving into a 21st century fascist state. Because White America wanted PaleInsanity in 2008, and (R)money-Lyan in 2012, and no one but a White American could think that either of these choices would be better for anyone outside of the 1%.

    That's kinda ironic, no? America being saved from fascism by those who have benefited the least from the fruits of "freedom"...

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:08:12 AM PST

  •  "Third wayers" are just moderate Repubs. (2+ / 0-)
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    Who can't bear to vote Dem.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:09:49 AM PST

  •  autism and mental illness (0+ / 0-)

    Although I agree with Priscilla Gilman's conclusion about autism being unrelated to the events in Newtown, her logic is weak.

    The quoted part of her logic is that autism is not a mental illness because it doesn't follow the developmental pattern of other mental illnesses and is not well treated by drugs.

    These are not defining conditions for mental illness. Even if they were, what is the significance? "Mental illness" is a weak category, probably defined by who treats it (psychotherapists) rather than relations among its members.

  •  Gillman's article should required reading (2+ / 0-)
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    for journalists attempting to explain Adam Lanza's behavior.

    This country needs to develop a better understanding of the complexities of various conditions and respect for the profound individuality of its children. We need to emphasize that being introverted doesn’t mean one has a developmental disorder, that a developmental disorder is not the same thing as a mental illness, and that most mental illnesses do not increase a person’s tendency toward outward-directed violence.

    It's the Central Limit Theorem, Stupid!

    by smartdemmg on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:34:07 AM PST

  •  Oh, my, goodness! (0+ / 0-)

    Who slipped Jennifer Rubin a sanity pill in her morning drink? Hmm.

    I can see fifty yrs. on this planet, just around the corner. Please GOP, don't mess it up for me.....

    by secret38b on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:35:13 AM PST

  •  Misleading axes weaken the point (0+ / 0-)

    This may be just an aside, but can everyone freaking stop starting the y-axis of their graph at anything other than zero, please?
    It is understandable to want to balance the visual elements of the graph the way one would balance the visual elements of a picture.  And so ppl remove the white space that would exist, for example, below the line for Northeast in the graph at the beginning of the post.  But that white space is there for a damn good reason, and without it, one gets a distorted impression of the data being displayed.  Without that white space in the above graph, the difference between the Northeast and the South looks, on a cursory visual inspection (which, btw, is how most ppl read graphs), like a factor of four or five, but is in fact just a factor of 1.7ish.
    Not displaying graphs properly almost always has the effect of exaggerating the contrast between classes of data.  If someone wants to quarrel with your point, they wont be convinced at all by your shoddy chart, b/c they'll take the time to actually look at the numbers and they'll feel the skewed nature of the damn thing.
    So fuckin' do yer charts right, ya'll. Kthxbai

  •  selfishness kills, cruelty kills, lies kill, (1+ / 0-)
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    Injustice kills, hatred kills, prejudice, racism, bigotry, shame, misery, poverty, humiliation kill. And weapons.

    clime parches on. terms: ocean rise, weather re-patterning, storm pathology, drout-famine, acceptance of nature.

    by renzo capetti on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:02:53 AM PST

  •  Apple's 1984 Commercial (2+ / 0-)
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    came to mind during LaPierre's talk. He looks exactly like the evil, vile speaker/leader exhorting an unwilling audience with lies. He should get a new front-man to spew his hatred. Perhaps a blonde bimbo from FoxNews would sell better and not scare us citizens so badly...

  •  Third Way (1+ / 0-)
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    is still moving ever to the right.

    They can't address gay marriage without denigrating civil rights and throwing in a good measure of religious freedom?

    Moderates would be against raising tax alone to pay for two wars and Medicare Part D?

    Gun control has to be done on the NRA's terms?

    Any of those talking points could have easily come from the Cato Institute.

    Hell, they even claim their "progressive allies" aren't Democrats.

    If Democrats and their progressive allies are to achieve real gains during Obama’s second term, they must understand how we got here, and they must be willing to challenge some of their most cherished ideas and messages. If they do not, this historic opportunity could easily be squandered.
    They are destroying the Democratic Party. They have moved well to the right of this former liberal and progressive Republican. My New Year resolution is to drop my Democratic Party registration.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:18:30 AM PST

    •  eh, third way is third way (2+ / 0-)
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      they are not Democrats.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:36:45 AM PST

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      •  The problem is that the Democratic leadership (0+ / 0-)

        is involved in Third Way. "New Democrat" is the same thing. President Obama and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the national chair of the DNC, have both said they are New Democrats.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 12:47:20 PM PST

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        •  and I say Daily kos (0+ / 0-)

          is mainstream and centrist, because we are.

          So what?

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:07:25 PM PST

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          •  You're free to say anything you wish (1+ / 0-)
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            The problems crop up in the definitions. What might centrist to you might not be to me. I don't know. Perhaps we all find the center from our own perspective.

            For example I'd take issue with the use of the word conservative in your link. The John Birch Society isn't conservative. They are the extreme fringe of right wing politics. The Republican Party once purged such philosophy from their ranks but now the party is dominated by the likes of the Koch brothers. Fred Koch was a founder of the John Birch Society.

            I was introduced to politics with an "I like Ike" campaign button. I have evolved. I have no idea if you would find yourself to the left or right of my perspective. I'm curious. Do you think of me as a left wing radical?

            Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

            by Just Bob on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:19:15 PM PST

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            •  not sure (1+ / 0-)
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              I know I'm a moderate ;-)

              So was RFK.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:47:25 PM PST

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              •  I appreciate the answer. (1+ / 0-)
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                It's good to know we both respect RFK.

                For the record, I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party. My views were shaped prior to the DLC.

                I tend to view politics through this prism:

                "Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824.
                But then you've likely seen me post that before. ;-)

                Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

                by Just Bob on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:56:49 PM PST

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  •  "Democrats and their progressive allies" (1+ / 0-)
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    You hear that progressives? According to Third Way usurpers we aren't even Democrats - just their helpers (to get them elected).

    First they helped the Republicans make liberal a dirty word and now they've kicked us out altogether.

    Just don't forget to mail in your votes.

  •  The maggots, tapeworms, and parasites.... (0+ / 0-)

    When creeps, filth, and disease are exposed to the light....they dry up and wither away.....THEY DON'T FLOURISH.....That is the litmus test......

    For years, the low-lifes, weirdos, creeps, and freaks were able to live in their Fox News universe, in happiness, in power, and in glory......

    With the advent of social media, this scourge has been emboldened and exposed.....It started with the 2010 elections...and now with the NRA......THEIR DEMISE HAS ALREADY BEGUN...!!!!   THEY WILL BE GONE IN 2014....!!!!!

    Both the less-than-do-nothing-Congress and the #1 terrorist organization in America, the NRA will be marginalized, if not caput, in 2014...it's going to be a tough couple more years, but glory is in sight...!!!!

     

    •  The NRA, Hamas, Syria, and Al Queda.....All of (0+ / 0-)

      these groups depend on fear and terror to further their cause........I would deem the NRA more sinister than the Muslim Brotherhood...at least at this point.....

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