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U.S. President Barack Obama hosts a bipartisan meeting with Congressional leaders in the Roosevelt Room of White House to discuss the economy, November 16, 2012. Left of President Obama is Speaker of the House John Boehner.                             REU
With President Obama set to meet with Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate at the top of the hour, speculation is rampant that offers will be made but that nothing will happen. Exactly what the outcome will be, nobody really knows. But here's Politico's report:
A last-minute deal at Friday’s White House meeting to avert the fiscal cliff appears highly unlikely, according to senior officials on both sides, with President Barack Obama expected to renew his demands for a plan to raise taxes on families who earn more than $250,000.

Obama summoned House Speaker John Boehner, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to the Friday afternoon meeting before a year-end deadline where about $500 billion of tax hikes and spending cuts are slated to take effect if Washington doesn’t act. The meeting is expected to last at least one hour.

What appears more likely is either a bipartisan recognition that a deal is out of reach, or, at best, lawmakers would agree to continue talking before the New Year’s Day deadline.

At the meeting, Obama is expected to make what the White House considers a scaled-back offer — one to raise taxes on income over $250,000, extend jobless benefits, delay defense and domestic cuts and patch the Alternative Minimum Tax, sources say. Raising taxes at that level is a non-starter for Republicans, who want far more in spending cuts.

The only thing that I'm sure of is that the last thing Congress needs is more time to get a deal done. None of these issues are new. They've had plenty of time to deal with them. If they can't get it done now, it's because they don't want to get it done—not because the clock ran out on them.

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  •  The Ace the Republicans Hold (21+ / 0-)

    They don't give a shit about the consequences for actual people, they just want to play politics.  Meanwhile, the Democrats do give a shit and feel like something has to be done and that is why they may end up giving away more than we want.

  •  If most of us did our jobs like these congressiona (12+ / 0-)

    l clowns do theirs, we'd all be fired pronto. Clueless, careless, egotistical and heartless. jeebus!

    "Say little, do much" (Pirkei Avot 1:15)

    by hester on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:33:54 AM PST

  •  Payroll Taxes Will Deinitely Go Up, And Guess What (9+ / 0-)

    Republicans will completely get the blame.

    I'm loving the dynamics here.

    I believe there is a monumental shit storm coming the Repubs way, and I believe they have no idea what's coming.  They are still in their bubble.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

    by Beetwasher on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:34:55 AM PST

    •  I'd love the dynamics except (5+ / 0-)

      the actual impact won't be so nice.  People will not spend (I am expecting to notice the cut in pay, and I am making enough to live comfortably).  What about those who have to spend what they make to live?  What about the cost of milk doubling?  If you have kids, you can then buy soda pop for them to drink.  That isn't good for anyone.  But it will happen, I bet.  This is such an absolute godawful mess.  And we could see it coming a year away.

      •  I Agree, And I Wish It Were Different (1+ / 0-)
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        annetteboardman

        And I believe Obama would like to correct it, unfortunately he has to get it through the Repub house.

        This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

        by Beetwasher on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:44:14 AM PST

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      •  Capitulating to terrorists only encourages more (2+ / 0-)
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        mperloe, annetteboardman

        Hostage taking, unfortunately - at some point you have to stand your ground.  

        Now is that time - well past it anyway but better late than never  I suppose.    

        This stuff is all pretty fixable post dec. 31 anyway - despite what the talking heads would have us believe (when btw Democrats' leverage increases markedly fwiw).

      •  The actual impact is (1+ / 0-)
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        slinkerwink

        that Social Security will continue to exist.

        This is why I hated the payroll tax holiday from day one- it's like hitting the crack pipe. Eventually you have to stop, and the longer you hit it, the harder it is to stop.

        Small varmints, if you will.

        by aztecraingod on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:17:59 PM PST

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    •  Oh, Also, Farm Subsidies End, Milk Prices Will (3+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, bear83, slinkerwink

      Skyrocket. Again, Reubs will get all the blame for this very noticeable hit to people's pocket books.

      This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

      by Beetwasher on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:48:26 AM PST

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      •  Yep. (1+ / 0-)
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        Beetwasher

        And nobody's talking about that.

        Well, you are, anyway.

        "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

        by JBL55 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:11:33 PM PST

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        •  A few are (2+ / 0-)
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          Beetwasher, JBL55

          Ezra Klein and Michael Eric Dyson were talking about it on Wednesday. But, like, nobody anyone listens to, right?

          Personally this is the one that scares me the most. Go to your local Kroger or Safeway or Piggly Wiggly or HEB or wherever. Once you count cheese, yogurt, sour cream, butter, half-and-half, ice cream and breakfast cereal in addition to just bottled milk, there are about four entire aisles dedicated to things that depend on milk. All of that is going to take a big hit.

          Gonna suck even worse than it did to be poor.

          If you can't say anything nice about the GOP, please post here more often.

          by Omir the Storyteller on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:59:06 PM PST

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      •  The blame will be across the board (2+ / 0-)
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        Beetwasher, rlochow

        unless the MSM tells the true story (Republican assholes holding the nation hostage over tax breaks for the rich) rather than the usual bullshit about how both sides are to blame for not compromising.

        Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

        by bear83 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:21:32 PM PST

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      •  Actually they are working on a mini farm (2+ / 0-)
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        Beetwasher, slinkerwink

        bill as we speak.

        President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

        by Drdemocrat on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:59:00 PM PST

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    •  The payroll tax holiday was suppose to be (0+ / 0-)

      temporary only.  It wasn't suppose to be reintroduced year after year.

      President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

      by Drdemocrat on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:57:52 PM PST

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      •  Yup, But How Many People Know That? (0+ / 0-)

        They will see their paychecks hit and they will blame the Repubs.

        Sucks for Repubs that they dynamic is set up that way, but it is.

        This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

        by Beetwasher on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:11:35 PM PST

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  •  I dont think there will be a 30-60-90 day deal (2+ / 0-)
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    bear83, slinkerwink

    Senate Dems apparently reject that, and Jake Sherman of Politico points out he talked to many lawmakers/aides and they noted extending rates for less than year is impossible/silly.

    So my feeling is, when ever a deal is done, it will be a bigger deal. And it seems like it will mostly likely be done in early Jan.

    •  Deal will be harder in January... (2+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, slinkerwink

      As Dems get 55 Senators and 7-8 more House Reps, meaning Boehner and his need to get 218 votes from his caucus alone before he brings anything to the floor will even be harder.  Now he could lose 23 members, come new Congress he can only lose 15.  Also there is a lot of lame duck members who were defeated or retired out that are free to vote for anything now, whereas the next congress will be worried about their re-election in 2014 and many freshmen wouldn't want their first vote to be for the grand bargain deal - especially in deep red districts, thanks to gerrymndering they have to worry more about primaries than general challenges.

      The NRA is the Gun Manufacturer Lobby. Nothing more. Their pontification about the second amendment is nothing more than their ad jingle. They're the domestic version of the Military Industrial Complex.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:43:40 AM PST

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      •  But he will be re-elected speaker on the 3rd (6+ / 0-)

        He has thrown out the "majority of the majority" rule before, and he would have to do that next year, considering he would have a smaller majority than he did in the last congress.

        Also, everything they would be voting on would be a tax cut, not a tax hike, so that could smooth the way to getting enough GOP support.

        •  I wonder. (1+ / 0-)
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          slinkerwink

          He might not get re-elected.

          I don't know whom would be chosen to replace him, but I wonder if the speakership could be contested.

          "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

          by JBL55 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:13:22 PM PST

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      •  I guess what I'm saying, and people (0+ / 0-)

        might not like this, is we probably end up with a Jan bill closer to the Obama-Boehner framework. So chained CPI, but perhaps better terms for Dems on tax rate increase and debt ceiling hike(reflecting the leverage of their Dems in the new congress), plus dealing with the other stuff(Amt, unemployment benefits, etc).

        I'm not saying I agree with that, but I think that's likely given that a 30-60-90 day deal seems impossible and pointless, while a year long deal might be out of reach.

        So basically a big deal or nothing.

  •  Please ban politico. (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    They're all speculation and gossip, conclusions built on stuf said by " a guy I know".

  •  Will Luke Russert ask Congressional Republicans (11+ / 0-)

    to chip in personally to cover the expired jobless benefits?

  •  Politico? Really? (2+ / 0-)
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    conniptionfit, jj32

    When was the last time they were correct about anything?

    "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

    by gritsngumbo on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:38:47 AM PST

  •  fiscal 'hole (4+ / 0-)

    If obama had not been such a dork last year in allowing the repugs to manufacture this crisis, this would not have happened at all.

    •  I guess there is nothing (1+ / 0-)
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      FiredUpInCA

      That can't be blamed on President Obama, right?

      Sigh.

      "Why reasonable people go stark raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand." ~ Atticus Finch, "To Kill a Mockingbird"

      by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:36:17 PM PST

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      •  No you are correct he is right about (0+ / 0-)

        Everything, always.  

        •  When the GOP is willing to hold the (0+ / 0-)

          financial fortunes of our whole country hostage, using the power of their majority in the House and their minority in the Senate to obstruct, deny, delay and destroy every bill, every offer, every vote, in order to damage the President, then it is they who need to be blamed.  I never suggested that President Obama was always right.  But it does get old to have to read here that  the antics of the worst Congress in a century are not their fault at all, but only his.

          "Why reasonable people go stark raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand." ~ Atticus Finch, "To Kill a Mockingbird"

          by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:51:27 PM PST

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  •  All I can say is this: the timing of this meeting (6+ / 0-)

    Could not be more precarious for boner and and the titty babies. Enough time for a full presidential statement afterward and before the 5 pm local news starts and well before the 6:30 evening news.

    They'd better think twice about flat out refusal at this meeting. The president has vowed to beat them about the head and I believe he will start tonight.

    •  Boehner getting re-elected Speaker (0+ / 0-)

      Will speed things along.  Right now he's running scared of his own caucus.

      The deal is almost guaranteed to blow, however, given O-Man's 'spine of steel.'  Mr. Adult-in-the-Room and all.

    •  Someone* said that the after meeting (4+ / 0-)

      "TELL" would be whether the Repubs headed for the microphones or their SUV's.

      *Can't remember who or where.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:50:28 AM PST

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  •  i like (10+ / 0-)

    that last paragraph. if that really is obama's last offer, he's daring the republicans to jump.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:48:21 AM PST

  •  We're dealing with extremests (3+ / 0-)
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    Icicle68, Thomas Twinnings, bear83

    “Republican government-democracy, we say now-requires a tacit understanding between majorities and minorities. Majorities rightly prevail, but they respect the liberty of minorities to agitate to replace them; minorities have the right to express and organize in behalf of their view, but when the votes are counted, they must acquiesce.”

    -William Lee Miller
    Abraham Lincoln: The Duty Of A Statesman.

    Somehow, emboldened by Fox News and big money from the likes of The Club For Growth, the Republican Party is turning a blind eye to their duty as the minority party in our democracy.

    •  And emboldened by gerrymandering (0+ / 0-)

      that only makes them vulnerable to a challenge from the right.

      When you're more concerned about keeping your job than doing what's best for the country, we end up in situations like this.

      Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

      by bear83 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:26:27 PM PST

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  •  Mayberry (0+ / 0-)

    The New Mayberry GOP....They's a comin to town....Cain't get here cuz it's just that the next stagecoach ain't coming into Mayberry until tomorrow. Andy and Barney said their was a hold up cuz of a gosh darn cattle drive coming into town. Goober and Gomer tried getting that new fangled tele-phone workin but they had to send a tele-gram instead and the lines are down since the Hostages went crazy. Hoss and Little Joe are on their way to Washington to meet Adam and Hop Sing to try and talk their Congressman off the cliff...and are ready to plug em if'n he don't want to come down off that thar Cliff.

  •  just want to scream. (4+ / 0-)
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    citizenx, ferg, bear83, FiredUpInCA

    and / or bang my head on the top of my desk. repeatedly.

    here we have a needless, manufactured (governmental) crisis, as our economy continues to crawl out of hole dug by -- yup -- yet another needless, manufactured (financial sector) crisis.

    "i hear you're mad about brubeck ... i like your eyes. i like him too." -donald fagen

    by homo neurotic on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:50:12 AM PST

  •  Dear Mr. President (2+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, bear83

    During the 2012 campaign you continually promised that if elected you would work to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 per year.  The tax increase for them was not terribly large, but it would reflect how well that segment of the population did compared to the rest of us.

    I take that as a commitment you made to us and, regardless of what the Republicans want, you ran and won on that promise.

    Secondly, if you look at the consequences of the spending cuts in the sequestration vs. the spending cuts in the GOP proposals, I think sequestration is probably a better deal.

    In other words, if you make a good deal with the GOP, good job.  If you don't make a deal, you're still aces with me.  If you make a bad deal with the GOP, we need to have a discussion.

  •  The raising of the limit not eligible for tax cuts (1+ / 0-)
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    realwischeese

    to $400K should be tied to the FDIC insured amount for account holders in FDIC insured banks. The banking industry agrees that this kind of money needs to be protected because this is at the higher end of income. If the banking industry is open to increasing the minimum insured amount to $400,000 and pay the additional premium to insure this amount to the FDIC, that will probably have the added side-effect making our banking sector more solvent (though I am not sure of the implications), then we are ok with increasing this limit to pass this bill. Without such structural changes to the banking system, i think that this argument is specious and an attempt to steal some more.

    As a side note, there are those traders/analysts showing up on the Bloomberg channel want you to buy S&P 500 in 2013. When there is a dip it is still a good place to buy. Why do we have to buy the SandP in 2013: because the economic indicators of the US economy are strong and our fundamentals are great. Lets pause for a bit here: could the economy be actually improving because of the policies put forward by President Obama. Will the trader followup his recommendation to buy with that statement the next time they are on Bloomberg.

    That simple acknowledgment by a trader help will weaken  arguments that the Republican side may have, if any actually, to creating this faux deadlock. In my opinion, if it were any other president facing similar economic conditions, than President Obama, this  (taxcut for the 98 percent Senate bill) would have passed in 20 mins in the House, 20 mins in the Senate and the President would have concluded business before his/her (yes that can happen soon) lunch.

  •  RAISE TAXES - What a 180 degree View (7+ / 0-)

    This Politco Report Pees me off:

    "At the meeting, Obama is expected to make what the White House considers a scaled-back offer — one to raise taxes on income over $250,000..."
    Obama's proposal is not and has never been to raise taxes for above $250,000 of income.  That raise happens automatically thanks to the Bush Bill Republicans passed.  What Obama's proposal is and has always been is to extend the tax cut for the first $250,000 of income.

    STOP the Republican Spin and start reporting the FACTS!

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:56:20 AM PST

  •  more pre-Inaugural Noh, not Kabuki (1+ / 0-)
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    Throw The Bums Out
    Kami mono (神物) or waki nō (脇能) typically feature the shite in the role of a human in the first act and a deity in the second and tell the mythic story of a shrine or praise a particular spirit.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:57:54 AM PST

  •  Time For A Bipartisan Speaker (1+ / 0-)
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    JBL55

    It's time for a bipartisan speaker.  I've posted a petition calling for just that at http://www.change.org/... , and I'm urging both Boehner and Pelosi to withdraw their names as candidates for Speaker of the House.

    And I'm asking all of you, in fact I'm pleading with all of you, to please sign this petition, and let's break the gridlock that's threatening to derail the first two years of President Obama's second term.

    We know that Pelosi doesn't have a majority in the House.

    And it became clear last week that Boehner doesn't have a working majority either.

    It's time for both of them to step aside and give a bipartisan coalition a chance to do the job.

    Representatives Simpson (R-ID) and Shuler (D-NC) report that a letter they wrote, which concedes major points to both sides, now has the signature of forty representatives apiece from both parties, though they have not yet released the names.  Whether these eighty people could form the nucleus of a bipartisan coalition or not, the bottom line is that centrists have not been given a chance to step into the leadership vacuum and try their hand at solving this situation.  And in the wake of two years of gridlock, gridlock that's threatening to last another two years if recent events are any indication, it's become apparent that the current leadership structure in the House has become a millstone around President Obama's neck.

    If we want the president's second term to be a success then we must try something different, something new, something out of the box.

    Speaker Boehner, Leader Pelosi, I'm calling on both of you to step aside from the election for Speaker on the 3rd of next month for the good of the country.  It's time, in fact it's overdue, to give someone else a chance.

    The American people spoke plainly in the election:  they re-elected President Obama, they added to the Senate's Democratic majority, and they took seats away from the Republicans in the House.  What is it about "House, you're doing a bad job" do you not understand?

    Thank you for your attention, your support and your signature!

    •  yay bipartisanship (1+ / 0-)
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      Timothy J

      So, what's your bipartisan platform? What specific fiscal proposals do your bipartisan centrists support?

      •  Bipartisan Platform (0+ / 0-)

        Let me make clear at the outset that I am a liberal, not a centrist.  Ideally I would like to see the Dems recapture the House and Pelosi back as Speaker.

        However right now nothing is being accomplished, with every indication that gridlock will continue in the House for another two years if nothing changes.  That will seriously damage President Obama's second term.  And my primary goal, politically, is for us to do what we can to help his second term be one that is productive.  Imagine our pride if we can look back in four years to a second Obama term where immigration reform and climate change legislation were both passed?

        Right now, with the current House leadership, there will be no deal on the fiscal cliff, and no deal in back of that on immigration reform, or on climate change either, or gun control, or anything.

        With a bipartisan House leadership in place all of those items are more likely to pass.

        My own platform is liberal:  I support a carbon tax, I support a public works program to stimulate the economy, etc. etc.  Granted that a bipartisan coalition may not accomplish all of that; but it will still accomplish a damn sight more than sitting and twiddling our thumbs and toes for the next two years while the Tea Party Caucus tail wags John Boehner's dog and NOTHING gets done and Obama's second term slides into paralysis.  

        Right?

        •  there is no bipartisanship in D.C., Virginia.... (0+ / 0-)

          If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

          by livjack on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:08:51 PM PST

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          •  Time For A Bipartisan Speaker (0+ / 0-)

            Incorrect.  

            Yes, there is no bipartisanship in the House LEADERSHIP.  You have Pelosi, all Democrat, you have Boehner, all Republican, and you have the Tea Party, three factions in other words.  They couldn't agree on the time of day.

            But there are plenty of folks in the House who understand what the voters wanted, that they wanted folks to get together and COMPROMISE and to get stuff DONE.

            If Boehner and Pelosi put it in their pants and withdraw as candidates for Speaker then those eighty folks in the middle, who have been recruited by Republican Simpson and Democrat Shuler, would be free to work some deals and create some coalitions.  You think there aren't Democrats in the House who would love to see the Obama second term be a productive one, and wouldn't be willing to make some deals on a bipartisan speakership in order to accomplish that?

            Look around; open your eyes; think outside of the box.  There's more than one way to skin this cat.

            •  I disagree that this is, in fact, what the last (0+ / 0-)

              election showed:

              folks in the House who understand what the voters wanted, that they wanted folks to get together and COMPROMISE and to get stuff DONE.
              We really don't want "compromise" if that means even further cuts to education funding, social programs and SS, Medicare, and Medicaid and other safety nets.

              The "compromise" the voters want is for the 1% to start giving up some of their ill-gotten gains from the past 20 years.  We want THEM to "compromise" now.

              However, the congress has become a fully rotten, corrupted and dysfunctional body now that the Tea Party and its rich enablers have finally slithered through its doors in large enough numbers.

              There is no "compromising" with extremists.  And it is NOT what 99% of the American people want.  

              If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

              by livjack on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 08:34:34 AM PST

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  •  Obama tax cuts (4+ / 0-)
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    DRo, FiredUpInCA, defluxion10, Timothy J

    Let's go over the fiscal curb, put all the pressure on the House idiots and pass an Obama tax cut plan.  Republicans will cave eventually and the longer they don't the better our campaign ads can be come 2014 and 2016.

  •  Well put. (3+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, defluxion10, Timothy J
    The only thing that I'm sure of is that the last thing Congress needs is more time to get a deal done. None of these issues are new. They've had plenty of time to deal with them.
    Fuckin' Rs.  Fuck 'em.  

    (I won't add "and the horse they rode in on" because that wouldn't be fair to the horses.)

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:10:18 PM PST

  •  There is a way forward (4+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, defluxion10, Timothy J, askew

    Boner will hate it, but it's there.  He can retain his position as Speaker and the 'pubs will remain the nominal majority party, but the governing majority of the House will have to be composed of the Democrats (who will follow Leader Pelosi because she knows how to be a party leader) and enough rational 'pubs to compose a majority of the whole House.  The Teabaggers will be marginalized and the few remaining rational Republicans will be able to prevent the Democrats from running the House outright.

    It will be easier, come next week, because the 'pub majority will be smaller and many of the departures will be from the Teabagger faction.  This is one of the reasons I believe the President should wait until next week to propose anything substantive.

    That's the only way I can see the Congress functioning for the next two years.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:37:39 PM PST

    •  Not bloody likely (0+ / 0-)

      considering half of congress has no interest in this:

      Congress functioning

      How many divisions does OWS have?

      by Diebold Hacker on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:10:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Have to disagree (0+ / 0-)

        I think in the next Congress there will be enough 'pubs who are not in bed with the Teabaggers to constitute a slim majority with the Democrats on an issue-by-issue basis.  You'd get a lot of things passing by 218-225 votes, but that's enough to end the gridlock.  The 'pubs' interest in this is saving their party, or at least some of it, from the shellacking they're getting from the voters in 2014 if this crap keeps up.

        "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by jg6544 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:09:42 PM PST

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        •  Just checked (0+ / 0-)

          20-25 'pubs would have to vote with the Democrats to constitute a majority in the House that convenes on Jan. 3, 2013.

          "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by jg6544 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:12:54 PM PST

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    •  I ask this again and again, but my question (0+ / 0-)

      remains:  when does this kind of obstructionism become sedition?  These people aren't representing their constituents, they are actively doing whatever they can do to make the government dysfunctional, and are not upholding their oath of office.  

      When does what they're doing become sedition?

      Sedition: Crime of creating a revolt, disturbance, or violence against lawful civil authority with the intent to cause its overthrow or destruction.

      If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

      by livjack on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:13:36 PM PST

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      •  dysfunction (0+ / 0-)

        The only previous time in our history we encountered anything like this was in 1860 and we all know what it took to settle the matter for that time.

        "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by jg6544 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 03:05:00 PM PST

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  •  Rendell and Dean are on MSNBC (0+ / 0-)

    mewling about how entitlements are in crisis and must be fixed. Grownups must make a deal and find a fake solution to a phony crisis.

    So sayeth Pete Peterson and his $$$$$$!



    Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

    by chuckvw on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:18:49 PM PST

  •  Meeting called "not serious" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CrissieP

    Washington, D.C. (Dec. 28)--President Obama's meeting with Speaker John Boehner ended abruptly today after the Speaker appeared for the meeting dressed in a gorilla suit and "began jumping around the Oval Office pretending to eat a banana," according to White House sources.

    The Speaker himself confirmed the account in a news conference held a few moments ago.

    "We're very sorry," he said, "but the President is not taking this seriously."

  •  Politicians make last minute deals behind closed (0+ / 0-)

    doors--not serving the public well.

  •  Doc Fix (0+ / 0-)

    For the first time, I'm actually starting to get a little bit worried about the so called "doc fix".

    This year, just like every other recent year, we've been looking at a big pay cut. Previous years, this has been delayed each time. I'm starting to get a little skittish about whether or not it will be addressed this time.

    Docs pretty much have to decide by Dec. 31st if they want to continue to see Medicare and Medicaid patients.

    My professional societies have sent out some worrisome recommendations. ACP (which is the biggest society for internal medicine docs) has recommended re-evaluating your Medicare position. They have stopped short of recommending withdrawing from Medicare, but have even included recommendations such as:

    cope with far less Medicare revenue, especially if Congress waits until sometime in January to retroactively avert the cuts.

    •Obtain a line of credit

    •Temporarily reduce staff or office hours

    •Delay nonurgent, routine appointments of Medicare patients until the crisis is resolved

    This is not a "sky-is-falling" sort of organization. And they are seriously recommending that you take out a loan, or you lay off staff, or you delay appointments.

    (Wouldn't that be a fine plan? Lay off staff right after the holidays. Nothing like layoffs to encourage office cohesiveness. Our own little anti-stimulus plan.)

    This is not a particularly conservative political organization either, by the way. They've previously come out in favor of a single payer system.

    The American College of Physicians agrees that there are really only two options, though they are both government solutions: (1) an efficient, single payer national health program, or (2) a more expensive, administratively complex, inefficient, highly regulated and heavily subsidized fragmented system of a multitude of private plans plus public programs, with means testing and mandates to participate. It doesn’t seem like a difficult choice.
    The American Geriatrics Society reminds me that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are not planning on holding claims this year. (Previously, they held claims while waiting for Congress to pass a delaying measure.) We will have to submit claims on time and they will get processed normally. This will be more than a 26% pay cut (when you already make less for taking care of a MC patient in the first place).

    These things are a bit scary.

    Some more of my colleagues will make the choice to stop seeing Medicare and Medicaid patients. This may be part of the Tea Party agenda. If the MC system unravels, then it can be replaced by some sort of cash-in-hand or premium insurance substitute (and then for others a scramble to find docs willing to do reduced payment schedules and charity care).

    Docs aren't hurting in the same way that many people will be if cuts go through, obviously. But as a result of failing to find a more permanent doc fix, many other people will be hurt as well.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    by Skipbidder on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:40:38 PM PST

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