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Photo courtesy of Brian Duckworth: A look at a window damaged by shotgun fire during a call on Dec. 21.

Put this in the open diary but thought it could use some more eyes as this does happen quite often but rarely is reported.

Loaded shotgun fires in burning home during call for Parkton Fire Department on Dec. 21

Fri Dec 28, 2012 - A loaded 12-gauge shotgun inside a burning Robeson County home discharged, spewing buckshot through a wall and the windows of a Parkton Fire Department truck that had just arrived, authorities said.

No injuries were reported, said Lt. Brian Duckworth, the Robeson County Sheriff's Office arson investigator. read more>>>

Just think of all that stored ammunition, probably some very close by to where you might live by one or more gun loving but over the line paranoid neighbors who acts normal otherwise, that's been and is being bought in these recent past years to the present and beyond!

And I've never seen it mentioned by anyone, as to first responders to raging house/business fires, when talking about guns, who owns them, and what happens when they, especially the ammunition, are improperly stored.

They are rarely reported about unless someone gets injured by, luckily that's not something that happens often. But I've had friends in fire departments tell me about incidents of many times, usually it's the ammunition alone that gets over heated and starts firing off.

This is one of many issues in training Fire Departments are taught to look out for, they aren't, until now, really thinking of looking out for an ambush and live fire coming from an arsonist bent on killing as well like up in Webster NY. They are now, around the Country doing more then just talking about what happened and now probably will again!

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:45:22 PM PST

  •  One of the first things you learn in a war zone... (9+ / 0-)

    don't toss ammunition into the burn pit.

    However, right after a new guy shows up... every time... popcorn time at the burn pit...

    sigh...

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 12:48:44 PM PST

  •  Guns do fire sans a finger , that's not news . (3+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, Joy of Fishes, WakeUpNeo

    Some guns fire when dropped .
    Some guns fire when they are just sitting .

    I read a story in the news ,
    a woman was unhappy that a rifle was brought into her home ,
    she picked it up , flung it at the person who brought it in , it hit the ground and fired off a round killing her .

    I read a story on the internet ,
    a guy placed a hand gun on the nightstand ,
    a while latter it fired off a round putting a hole in the wall .

    I read a story in the local paper a few months back ,
    a child who was to young to pull the trigger ,
    who didn't have the strength to pull the trigger ,
    was found dead .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:02:54 PM PST

    •  Point is (4+ / 0-)

      It isn't only the guns, another is as this points out, the dangers faced by first responders!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:14:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  FTR, I'll bet this guy lied: (10+ / 0-)
        a guy placed a hand gun on the nightstand ,
        a while latter it fired off a round putting a hole in the wall .
        Covering because he doesn't want his wife or his landlord or the motel to know he was screwing around. It COULD have happened. But the number of times guns simply "discharge" without anybody touching them (fires aside) are about 1000x rarer than the number of times somebody claims that is what happened.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:24:40 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Sorry, response to Indycam, not you... (4+ / 0-)

          ...After 10 years, you would think I could get that right, eh?

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:25:40 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Hmmmm, probably, but (5+ / 0-)

          I had a cheapie lighter sitting on my cigarettes, a few years back, on my side table next to my chair, heard a click and looked over and the flame was lite! Quickly put it out and dumped the lighter in a glass of water and left it there.

          A few days later I sent it and a letter to the manufacturer of exactly what happened, still don't know if the apartment was or is haunted, thankfully it never happened again!!

          Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

          by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:34:49 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Latch assemblies fail . (5+ / 0-)

          Badly maintained latch assemblies fail .
          Badly adjusted latch assemblies fail .
          Badly modified latch assemblies fail even more .

          As a repair technician , I know latch assemblies fail .
          I've repaired many , adjusted many , replaced many .
          Latches of many kinds were part of my schooling .
          The diagnosis and repair ...

          It COULD have happened.
          vs
          I'll bet this guy lied:
          He was not in the room , his wife was and she was pissed .

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:52:42 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I understand. But I covered cops and courts... (4+ / 0-)

            ...as a journalist for several years, have gone to gone ranges for decades and taught about 30 people to shoot. In numerous cases, somebody has said after a gun was fired when it should not have been some version of: "I didn't have my finger on the trigger" or "I had the safety on" or, less commonly, "I wasn't even touching it."  

            Guns do, very very occasionally, fire on their own.  But even dropping a modern firearm onto a hard surface rarely makes it discharge. So, I am suspicious when I hear stories like this and "bet" on the odds. But, as I said, it COULD have happened.

            Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

            by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:05:00 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  So you say you agree (0+ / 0-)
              Guns do, very very occasionally, fire on their own.
              and say you bet against .

              "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

              by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:12:19 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  yes. I bet against based on experience. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

                by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:15:12 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  While you also say it does happen ? (0+ / 0-)

                  So maybe what you are saying is that it doesn't happen every time someone claims it does ?

                  Would you give a loaded gun to a loved one that someone told you had discharged sans finger ?

                  There once was an art piece
                  a rifle pointed at a seat ,
                  people if they cared to could sit in the seat and look at the rifle pointed right at them .
                  Would you sit in the seat if you were told that it was loaded and had once discharged sans finger ?

                  "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                  by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:22:20 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

        •  ... (6+ / 0-)

          http://thefiringline.com/...

          Long story but I was assisting a State Trooper in searching for a peeping tom in our neighborhood. Both he and I were off duty and the weather was below freezing with sleet falling. We were out for about 1.5hrs. I came in and laid my .45 Colt 1911 on the nightstand. It was not cocked but had a round in the chamber. My wife was taking her make up off in the dressing room. I had walked over to the boot rack in the utility room about 20 feet away. The gun went off, sending a round through the night stand, through the sheet rock and into the outside brick wall, cracking the brick.

          Not a soul touched the gun. There was no dimple in the primer cap. The gun recoiled off the nightstand and landed on the floor, fully cocked and with a new round in the chamber.

          I had the shell casing examined in the crime lab. They determined the primer was not fully seated, the powder was cold and static electricity had arched on the cap setting it off. I have not shot a reload since.

          I always place a gun pointed toward a wall so nobody was ever in danger other than myself due to my wife raising cane about her expensive new bedroom nightstand having a bullet hole in it. Now some 20 yrs later, we just put a table lamp in front of the hole and nobody notices it.
          Note the photos below.

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:59:32 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Did you read the rest of the comment thread? (4+ / 0-)

            ...Accidental discharges from negligence and carelessness.

            In this particular case, it may have happened as stated. I didn't say it could not happen, only that I doubt it. However, when somebody tells me:

            I always place a gun pointed toward a wall so nobody was ever in danger other than myself
            ...it fries my ass. The gun was a .45. The bullet went through a nightstand, drywall and lodged in an outside wall. Bullets going through walls ARE a danger to others.

            Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

            by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:28:02 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  ... (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Joy of Fishes, splashy, WakeUpNeo

          http://www.tampabay.com/...

          TAMPA — Michael Thourot had just pulled his hand away from the warm metal when it started spewing bullets.

          Moments before, Sherri Thourot had watched her husband fire and reload the Jennings 9mm. Then he set it down for her to shoot next at the range.

          That's when the handgun started firing on its own, she said, spinning around in circles, landing the Thourots and an Irish tourist in the hospital.

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:06:33 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Remington 700 ? (2+ / 0-)
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          Joy of Fishes, WakeUpNeo

          http://video.cnbc.com/...=

          CNBC's 10-month investigation stretched from Florida to Alaska, turning up thousands of complaints, two dozen deaths, more than 100 injuries and 75-plus lawsuits, all alleging the gun fired without the trigger being pulled.

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:07:59 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  There are also countless stories (7+ / 0-)

    of guns going off, and claiming lives while they are being cleaned.

    There is no such thing as an off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

    by pollbuster on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:27:49 PM PST

  •  What goes up must come down (6+ / 0-)



    Speakin of guns, ammunition and incompetent, especially overstocked paranoid, gun owners!

    Police warn against celebratory gunfire
    The Concord Police Department wants residents to know that celebratory gunfire is no way to ring in the New Year, and is prohibited by law. If caught, violators will be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Celebratory gunfire can cause damage to homes and businesses, injure people and pets, and have the potential to be fatal. Celebrate the New Year responsibly and safely. Residents are urged to refrain from shooting any firearms into the air, and to notify the police of anyone planning to celebrate this way. Learn more at concordnc.gov

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:28:59 PM PST

    •  I used to sleep on my bedroom floor (6+ / 0-)

      as far under the bedstead as I could get, as far away from the windows as possible when holidays rolled around in Los Angeles.  Especially New Year and the 4th of July.  I made my girls do the same.

      I didn't live in respectable neighborhoods, and there was always some idiot drunk shooting off every bullet he owned.

      Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

      by loggersbrat on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:35:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Iraq vet: Newtown changed my mind on gun control (6+ / 0-)



    I'm a hunter and a vet, and I revere the Second Amendment. But I used bankrupt logic: It's time for gun control
    Dec 28, 2012 - Like many people I know and public figures I’ve seen recently, the killings in Newtown’s elementary school have made me reconsider my position on gun control. As a hunter, a veteran, and a dyed-in-the-wool radical, I write this to show fellow gun owners and, more important, my fellow Americans who are distrustful of an armed government with an unarmed populace that the logic I espoused for most of my life is bankrupt.

    Until last week my stance on the Second Amendment was essentially, “Our government can’t be trusted with a monopoly on lethal power. As such, the right to resist tyranny embedded in our constitution justified the tragic deaths that would inevitably result from the proliferation of these incredibly deadly weapons.”

    I deployed to the Iraq War in 2004 as a U.S. Marine. I came to see my experience in Iraq as that of a pawn doing the work of liars, profiteers and chickenhawks. I say this to illustrate the point that my outlook on gun control comes from the standpoint of a Constitution-observing public servant and of a person who came to question the integrity of our system of governance to the very core. In short, I was reverent of the Second Amendment’s freedom-guarding intent. I still am.

    But my reverence is irrelevant. The Second Amendment stopped giving the insurrectionists among us a chance as soon as military technology advanced beyond the rifle.  read more>>>


    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 01:53:39 PM PST

  •  Might have found Supplier of Guns (5+ / 0-)

    In the killings of the Webster Fire Fighters.

    NY woman arrested in connection with slaying of 2

    WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — A 24-year-old woman was arrested Friday and charged in connection with the Christmas Eve ambush slaying of two volunteer firefighters responding to a house fire in upstate New York.

    Dawn Nguyen of Rochester faces a state charge of filing a falsified business record, State Police Senior Investigator James Sewell said. Nguyen also faces a federal charge; a news conference with the U.S. attorney in western New York was scheduled for 4 p.m. Friday. read more>>>

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:12:50 PM PST

  •  But, but, but guns don't kill ... ! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, Joy of Fishes, WakeUpNeo

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 02:28:42 PM PST

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