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Made my first political donation for 2013 on Friday. No, not to Markey for Massachusetts, though that will come soon. I remember sending a donation to Markey when he first ran, I believe, and was happy when he ran. He would make a great Senator!

But I made my first political donation for 2013 to someone I have gotten to know pretty well since 2009 and has become a friend. And I hope he becomes the next mayor of NYC. My wife and I have had many a good conversation with him including some pretty in depth discussions about some legal problems he has had (I will discuss those somewhat below). I am referring to my friend, NYC Comptroller John Liu who intends to run for mayor in 2013.

My wife and I got an invitation to a fundraiser for John Liu. We hadn't seen him for some months and decided to go. It was in Brooklyn, so that was good, though not in our neighborhood. The fundraiser was in Bed-Sty nearby but a very different demographic, so it was interesting to see how enthusiastic the Bed-Sty crowd was for Liu.

We live in Park Slope and our main political connections are the Brownstone reform Democrats crowd, though that group is more diverse than they are often given credit for. My wife is on the board of the Central Brooklyn Independent Democrats (CBID), one of the most reform of the reform clubs and one that has fought corruption in Brooklyn for decades. I first met John Liu at a CBID endorsement meeting when he was running for Public Advocate. CBID is known for asking tough question and they grilled then City Councilman (from Queens) John Liu like they did any candidate. However, unlike most candidates John Liu seemed to accept and almost welcome the grilling. He didn't avoid questions and when he couldn't give us an answer he actually later came back to us to discuss the matter in great depth and attributed the development of some of his stands to those discussions. Very direct.

It struck me that in the race for Public Advocate where there were several good candidates at the time (the best candidate did NOT win that race) John Liu didn't stand out so much and his very analytical (he was trained as a scientist) and financial (he worked in banking) background was more appropriate to the Comptroller's office. I raised my hand and told him he should switch to the Comptroller's race.

A few days later he did just that and I arguably became the first person to publicly endorse him for Comptroller. I don't think my question changed his mind, but I do think the discussion with CBID was an extra push in a decision he was already considering.

And he has been a VERY active, excellent Comptroller.

My family campaigned with him in Brooklyn. We got to know John and some of his staff. We petitioned with him in Park Slope, the heart of his opponent, David Yassky's, district. We were struck by how approachable he was, how knowledgeable he was, and how, even in Brooklyn, this City Councilman from Queens was well known and respected. Dozens of people saw him, came up to him (most candidates have to approach voters rather than the other way around) and expressed gratitude to him for some of his previous community activism or for the job he was doing on the city council.

John Liu is among the smartest people I have known to run for office. He is also one of the hardest working and one of the ones most comfortable discussing issues with people. Quite honestly we were enthusiastic to support him for Comptroller and were thrilled when he won, becoming the first Asian American to hold a citywide office in NYC.

We also came to value his opinions and his friendship.

And when he first floated the idea of running for mayor we quickly supported him. More below.

The field for the 2013 mayor's race is a nice diverse one. At the fundraiser on Friday one host commented that he remembered when the only choices for mayor was one of the two white guys. Then it became a choice between the white guy and the minority. This year we have a diverse field that at least partly reflects the diversity of NYC. I don't know all the candidates well but I know some pretty well.

Next to John Liu I know Bill de Blasio best. He is among the best campaigners I know but is also one of the more corrupt politicians I personally know, though within Brooklyn politics perhaps he doesn't stand out so much compared with the likes of Vito Lopez, Carl Kruger and Dominic Recchia. But Bill de Blasio is mostly a shill for developers. My wife observes that he never takes a controversial stand that actually matters, though he is eager to give very moving speeches on matters he has little say over. He is popular and a formidable fundraiser. He has done next to nothing as Public Advocate, following in the footsteps of his very lackluster predecessor Betsy Gotbaum. Bill de Blasio's strong point is his close ties to labor, though again, he has himself been overheard saying that as a NYC politician you should just do what the developers say. It would be VERY hard for me to vote for Bill de Blasio. As a friend has said, we know him too well to support him. He comes off great but the more you know, the less you like.

Christine Quinn is well known in NYC and is Bloomberg's best buddy. She is something of Bloomberg's hand picked successor and as such is seen as something of a frontrunner. This sets up something of a perceived two way race between de Blasio and Quinn with her being the obvious insider and, I predict, de Blasio will present himself as the outsider and a crusader for progressive causes. Sadly, neither of them are reformers at heart and only progressive when it doesn't hurt Wall Street and developer interests. It would of course be pretty kick ass to have an openly lesbian mayor, but oddly I have, to date, seen a very lukewarm reaction to Quinn within the LGBT community, though that may be a sampling bias on my part. Quinn also played something of a leadership role during a spate of sexual assaults in NYC (largely ignored by Bloomberg, the police, and Bill de Blasio, the supposed Public Advocate). Quinn was one of several city council members who sponsored self defense classes for women (some of which my wife helped teach through her dojo) and I applaud her for it. But it is hard for me to support someone who was so solidly on board with Bloomberg's power grab for a third term. Both Bill de Blasio and John Liu opposed Bloomberg's third term, though some argue it was because it got in the way of their own ambitions. Maybe, but nevertheless, Quinn's support of Bloomberg's most dictatorial tactics is a mark against her. She also was up to her eyeballs in the discretionary spending scandals, but those seem to have blown over. I'd have to go back but I am pretty sure that de Blasio and Liu didn't seem as bad in the discretionary spending scandal. ALL city council members have a discretionary spending budget, but many spend it on real programs. Quinn allowed a lot of shadow organizations (the one I am most familiar with was di Brienza's infamous youth sports organization that no one seemed to have done any sports with but which paid a salary to some of his family and friends). I am not aware of any shady discretionary spending by de Blasio or Liu, though there is a lot that went on in that scandal that hasn't been well covered, so I could be wrong there.

I supported Bill Thompson when he last ran for mayor, but I have to say no one was enthusiastic when he was running. It was extremely hard to get voters to care at all about him and I don't think he will do much better this time around. I think matched against such excellent campaigners as Bill de Blasio and John Liu, Thompson doesn't have much of a chance in my opinion. But a lot can happen. It is even possible he learned a lot from his last run.

I also had some interaction with Scott Stringer but he has dropped out.

And then there is John Liu. Without a doubt I considered him the best candidate. Excellent campaigner, possibly the broadest base of support (though not necessarily the largest), the smartest of the lot, and probably the most progressive of the lot. He is an immigrant (moving to NYC from Taiwan when 5 years old) and though that may work against him in many parts of America, in NYC it is something people respect. Working hard as an immigrant he took full advantage of the public school system. He worked hard to get where he is and it shows both in his respect for the working class but also in his determination.

On social policy all of them are probably pretty close. How far they will push things is how they will most differ. Bill de Blasio will talk the loudest about progressive issues but John Liu is the one who is most activist about progressive issues. Quinn and Thompson are more the triangulating types and aren't really as likely to rock the boat. But fundamentally all of them are pretty good on social issues. It is more on economic issues where they differ. Bill de Blasio and Christine Quinn are the most likely choices of the corporate and wealthy interests. Thompson and Liu are more the choice of the working and middle class, all else being equal...but in NYC regional and demographic factors can play a huge role...bigger than even social and economic issues.

A fellow NYC blogger, Rock Hackshaw, introduced me to the Human Rights Project score card of NYC Council members. The scorecard is VERY detailed and I can't do it justice in a short comment. They cover homeless issues, race issues, gender issues including LGBT issues, poverty, etc. Among the WORST rated council members for 2011 is Chirstine Quinn. She gets a miserable 12% rating. However, to compare Quinn with two of her opponents who have been city council members, de Blasio and John Liu, we have to go back to 2008 and 2009 when all three were in the City Council. Looking at their overall scores (again, keep in mind the report goes into considerable detail and I am just looking at overall score):

Christine Quinn: a mediocre 45% average score in 2008 and got a "C" for 2009.

Bill de Blasio: a mediocre 58% average score in 2008 (ranked 11th highest scoring council member) and a 2009 rating of "B" (8th highest scoring council member so made the top 10 list that year).

John Liu: an 61% score in 2008 (8th highest scoring council member so on the top ten list) and a 2009 rating of "A" (4th highest scoring council member, so also on the top ten list).

So Liu comes off best both years, de Blasio second and Quinn bottom. I like using score cards like this to balance my own personal impressions. For example, my current City Councilmember, Brad Lander, comes off pretty bad on the ground and he and I have butted heads. However, for 2011 (the same year Quinn got a 12%) Brad Lander gets a very good 74%. When ratings from organizations like this agree with my personal impressions it confirms at least some of my impressions. However, when they go against my impression, I am willing to reassess my impressions at least to some degree. By the way, two council members I particularly like, Tish James and Jumaane Williams both do even better than Brad (over 85%).

I should note that the best ranked Republican (Halloran) got only 22% in 2011 and all other Republicans got 10-15% range (similar to Quinn).

But back to the mayoral field.

Bill de Blasio and Quinn will likely get the best fundraising and are the candidates that I think Wall Street and developers are going to be most comfortable with. Bill de Blasio will draw a lot of Brooklyn votes including some of the highest turnout districts in the city unless Liu or Quinn can get some of those votes. Quinn, despite what I see as lukewarm support, may well be able to galvanize a lot of LGBT and women voters because having a strong woman candidate and strong LGBT candidate is a pretty great thing. Given that Bloomberg's dictatorial ways didn't turn off that many New Yorker's maybe she can ride on the money and pseudo-incumbency that Bloomberg can give her. It is assumed that Bill Thompson will poll well in black neighborhoods. I am not so sure. John Liu does well in those neighborhoods himself. And Liu has extremely strong support in the Asian-American communities and in Queens.

Which still leaves a lot for demographic maneuvering that could shake things up.

I would put John Liu's chances high if it wasn't for a scandal surrounding a fundraiser who helped his campaign, Oliver Pan. This is a scandal surrounding "bundling," a fundraising technique that tries to slip around campaign finance laws. Often it is legal if done right even though it certainly subverts the spirit of the law. Every candidate uses bundlers these days if they are running for a major office and want any chance of winning. Problem is Oliver Pan seems to have overstepped legality. It is as if you hire a contractor to work on your building and he does illegal work. His actions reflect on you and Oliver Pan's actions are reflecting poorly on John Liu. And since Liu is the candidate Wall Street and the corporate world would least like to see as mayor, the press owned by that corporate world is doing their best to claim that Liu is corrupt.

Let me tell you about the relationship the Central Brooklyn Democrats had with Liu's campaign in 2009. Of all the candidates CBID dealt with, everyone I have talked to at CBID was at the time impressed with how careful the Liu campaign was to scrutinize every donation, every check and make sure it was legit. I have never seen such a careful campaign, at least when working directly with their campaign. I cannot speak towards "bundlers" and did not interact with any. But the Liu  campaign ran the tightest ship we saw when it came to campaign finances laws.

Were they being careful with us but not with other people they worked with? I don't know obviously, but I don't get that feeling.

Also, John Liu has been extremely open with my wife and me about the scandal. We have had several detailed discussions about it and we never felt he was evasive or acting guilty. He has emphasized he welcomes the investigation partly because he wants his innocence proven but also because if anyone in his campaign DID do something wrong (and I don't think he believes they did) he wants to know it.

My wife feels with or without the scandal, in the arena of Brooklyn politics Liu is probably cleaner than any of the other candidates...or at least as clean. We both feel the scandal was isolated, possibly only involving the one bundler, and does not reflect on the the integrity of John Liu himself. Now we are biased because we know him, but we also know him well enough to have what we think is a good sense of his integrity.

True or not, does the scandal sink his campaign? With many politicians I would say that it does. But John Liu is a fighter. At no point did this scandal seem to slow down his dedication to his job as Comptroller nor his determination to run for mayor. Although I know many reformers who believe he is innocent but are waiting to see how the scandal plays out before supporting him, in Bed-Sty we saw a very strong, very determined support. And many of the people I talked to at that event had come to know John through his community activism and supported him because they trusted him to work for a stronger, more equitable NYC. One fairly new supporter said that of all the candidates for mayor John Liu was the only one he heard giving specific ways in which he would help NYC, rather than just spouting typical platitudes. The most popular platform Liu elaborated on was shifting some of the city's support away from the larger Wall Street firms and helping small businesses instead. He also spoke against Bloomberg's approach to reforming the schools (something most teachers and parents will agree with Liu on!) and discussed some further reforms he thinks are needed. While I agree that Liu gives more details about his plans, in general I don't get those details from his speeches so much as in personal discussions and small group discussions, the areas Liu excels the most.

So at a bare minimum I consider John Liu the best candidate in the current pool of candidates though in some ways that is damning with faint praise. NONE of the candidates are untainted by scandal, and ALL are politicians with political ambitions and the ability to tell a crowd what they want to hear. In looking more cynically at the field, John Liu to my mind has the LEAST of the bad qualities NYC politicians are known for.

On a more optimistic note my wife and I genuinely think John Liu is a damned good candidate who would make an excellent mayor for the most New Yorkers. NYC politics moves fast and gets rough. Quinn and de Blasio are likely to be seen as the front runners, Bill Thompson as the has been, John Liu as the person who had a chance but doesn't anymore, and everyone else will be mostly ignored. But a lot can happen and though I think this is the most likely scenario, I actually think there will be lots of surprises and the final outcome may be surprising. And one alternate outcome is John Liu makes a come back. If anyone can it is him.

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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

    by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 04:32:49 PM PST

  •  I can't see a reformer (1+ / 0-)
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    who has had so many questions regarding his campaign finances!

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/...

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    And I'm sorry, major campaign fundraisers are not like home contractors. They are central to your campaign. There is too much smell here.

    •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

      But if I didn't have a fair amount of experience with him AND his regular campaign (Pan is not his staff) I might agree with you.

      Plus I know enough about Quinn and de Blasio's scandals to know they shouldn't be throwing stones.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:00:24 PM PST

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      •  Sounds like we might elect another Republican then (0+ / 0-)

        if all the Dems are tainted. Sigh.

        •  That has been a problem with NY Dems (0+ / 0-)

          I mean, it's a problem with NY Repubs too, but since Dems often control the majority of city positions...

          and it should be noted that this type of corruption is partially a reason for Cuomo throwing support for Republican control of the state Senate.

          Not giving Cuomo a pass, but that's a valid reason.

          Message to Dems: We HAVE to start showing up for Midterms.

          by Jank2112 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:23:55 AM PST

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          •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

            CBID and I have been fighting this kind of corruption, so it does mean something when we support a candidate and trust a candidate. Now we can be fooled too, but I don't think we have been with Liu.

            But you are absolutely right and I don't think the selective media coverage of corruption is coincidental. Corporations prefer Republicans or Democrats who are close to Republicans, like Quinn who on economic issues is close to Bloomberg. Bill de Blasio is safe to them because he is largely a shill even if he has more progressive leanings. So they ignore the corruption of Quinn and de Blasio and most Republicans but hammer at any hint of it from people they don't like so much.

            Which is something progressives have not been able to counter, meaning we have been marginalized and corporate interests are better represented in NYC than in most places.

            FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

            by mole333 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:32:18 AM PST

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    •  Even the voice has been hard on him.. (0+ / 0-)

      I hope you are right about him but there was just too much bad stuff out there for me to like this guy. With such a stench following him it would be hard to vote for this guy if there was a reasonable alternative.

      " we could go all day with the issues "

      by East Village Blue on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:27:14 PM PST

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      •  But that is the problem (1+ / 0-)
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        You are hearing about him but not about the others who have more scandals just not popularized. Also the stench is around one, maybe two people only one of which was actually on his campaign.

        BUT, I will say that if I was only reading the papers and didn't know these folks, I might feel the same way, so not sure how well I can counter your impression until the investigation is done.

        FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

        by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:11:51 PM PST

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      •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

        who ISN'T the Voice hard on?

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:12:19 PM PST

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  •  Not a chance (2+ / 0-)
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    When the race really gets moving- probably not until at least the spring, maybe summer, the media and his opponents are going to paint this city with all stories about campaign donation shenanigans and other stuff that doesn't add up.

    Liu has possible scandal and investigations to contend with.
    Quinn is seen by many to be too close to Bloomberg.
    Thompson had his chance.

    That leaves Bill deBlasio- with an African-American wife, support of several city unions... he becomes the one that just may be hard to beat.

    •  May well... (1+ / 0-)
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      May well play out that way...but that is because de Blasio's scandals (he was investigated for campaign finance problems and it was only dropped when a great deal of money got shifted back to where it belonged) are being ignored. But that is because he has the big corporate support.

      I also think Quinn being close to Bloomberg won't hurt her so much. But again I said Quinn and de Blasio will be portrayed as the frontrunners. Liu will need to play within that scenario and I think he knows that.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:03:00 PM PST

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      •  Quinn has a lot of problems (2+ / 0-)
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        securing Bloomberg's third term really is a big minus in her column for many people, in my opinion. She's not there for the left on paid sick leave bill and a variety of other things.

        I have an ax to grind with her on approving the Dock Street project over the unanimous objections of the local community board.

        It's very region specific to my neighborhood, but it's also what she's presided over for many, many neighborhoods. Handing over NYC to corporate real estate interests.

        And don't forget the whole slush fund scandal which she has very effectively swept under the rug, but I'm not sure it will stay there once she has a rival for the nomination. Skeletons have a way of falling back out of the closet.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:37:37 PM PST

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    •  Pretty much the exact same arithmetic (2+ / 0-)
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      that has gotten me to lean deBlasio so far.

      I'm still morning Weiner, that Weiner!

      "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

      by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:31:42 PM PST

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  •  I am kind of surprised (0+ / 0-)

    I have considere Liu a non-starter since the whole campaign finance indictment mess.

    And I mean, I'm not sure how I personally feel about it, I haven't been following it that closely to see if he's getting a raw deal, or is genuinely involved in corruption.

    But, I'm surprised he's moving forward and hasn't bowed out. And will certainly take a second look at him based on your recommend.

    It IS going to be a very interesting race. It appears we have a lot of players to choose from, but so far, the progressive grassroots (where I usually cast my lot) does not seem to have a favorite.

    The other thing that will be interesting to see is if Quinn can rally the left to her. I'm not convinced she can. But I am convinced she's a very shrewd and tough politician, so I'm not sure she needs to.

    "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:30:24 PM PST

    •  I wasn't sure (1+ / 0-)
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      I had heard Liu was going to wait, but he has been thinking it through. I also know he seems to still be getting a good reception at least in the Asian-American and black communities, so maybe he has been spending the last couple of months checking his base and now feels confident.

      Believe me, he is checking each and every check and form for complete info now. They weren't just collecting donations at the fundraiser...they were inspecting them.

      And I am not downplaying Quinn or de Blasio. Neither are as smart as Liu but both are at least as canny as Liu if not more so and are politicians to the core with all that entails.

      My second choice might be Thompson but kind of by default and my fear is he is the one least able to beat a Republican.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:16:19 PM PST

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      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        I consider Quinn very, very smart, and by that I mean shrewd and canny. I really am surprised by people underestimating her. I think she will break anyone's legs that stands between her and the nomination.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:11:09 PM PST

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        •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

          Liu is smarter than anyone around when it comes to brain power. Quinn is shrewd and canny and ruthless. Which is why I am portraying her as the likely frontrunner with de Blasio constructing an outsider/reformer mask for himself to be the main one challenging her. Even without the scandal Liu would be the one who would have to come up from behind, which is something he arguably could have done before the scandal.

          After the scandal, we have to see. He is making careful calculations and he is good at calculations. So he has a strategy. He isn't just winging it. But that said, Quinn and de Blasio are formidable opponents who will get far more big donations and use the media to their advantage over Liu.

          I could make an argument that Thompson is the least obviously tainted candidate. But he also is the least inspiring and least canny.

          Irony is, I remain convinced, scandal or not, that Liu is less corrupt and tainted than Quinn or de Blasio. But people only see what the media says so it looks like he is the tainted one. Pisses me off not just because I know the man, but also because this is how the best candidates get left behind on the left. Put Quinn and de Blasio through the same scrutiny and constant hammering and Liu would look a lot better.

          Says a lot about our system. Maybe says more about our system than it does any of the candidates because they have to get elected within that system.

          FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

          by mole333 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:51:38 AM PST

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  •  BTW, What is your issue with landers? (1+ / 0-)
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    We moved to your hood over the summer and a few months ago my wife ripped into him after a community meeting discussing the school rezoning. We got pushed into PS10 and she was grilling him on the proposal. She said he shrugged alot and didn't say much.

    " we could go all day with the issues "

    by East Village Blue on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:35:21 PM PST

    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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      Funny thing is he kind of kissed up to me when he first realized which blogger I was. I kind of want to try being kind to him now...I am wondering if he is better than I thought. But he is clearly an opportunist, has one of the same scandals de Blasio has under his belt--misuse of campaign funds in a complex WFP involved mess that avoided court only through some negotiations that led to a lot of money having to be returned because it had been used improperly. To me at least as bad as the Liu scandal and directly tied to several campaigns but particularly Lander and de Blasio.

      Lander had made some anti-Israel comments some time ago which pissed people off but he made things worse by ducking the issue and claiming he didn't mean what he clearly said.

      He had many donations from developers but tried hiding and denying them.

      I actually think he is a lot like de Blasio. An opportunist politician whose stands aren't bad but whose core values are amoral and completely self-serving.

      THAT SAID, he has since done more than I was expecting like he also stepped in during the sexual assaults and sponsored self defense classes (the neighboring council member, Steve Levin, did not) and he was at least open to talking to constituents about funding choices, though didn't seem to listen. A shareholder in my building called him sleaze and I hadn't even said anything to her about him other than he might listen to her.

      Might be another case of knowing someone too well. He seems fine from a distance and, from some of what I have seen and heard, he is doing better than I expected.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:25:41 PM PST

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  •  Thoughts on Lhota or Kellys chances? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    " we could go all day with the issues "

    by East Village Blue on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 05:42:41 PM PST

    •  Probably no chance... (0+ / 0-)

      Not popular, tainted, and not charismatic. That said, in NYC almost anything can happen.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 06:26:49 PM PST

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    •  Kelly's polling is very good (0+ / 0-)

      he says he's not interested. I'm not convinced a cabal of billionaires can't change his mind.

      Who knows if his polling can survive scrutiny?

      I would hope Stop & Frisk would render him un-electable.

      But I am familiar with America, so I don't believe that.

      "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."—Dan Savage

      by Scott Wooledge on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:15:33 PM PST

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  •  The treasurer of his campaign was indicted (0+ / 0-)

    and is expected to be tried starting in February.

    This is a lot more serious and comes significantly closer to Liu than a reader of your diary would realize.

    If the former treasurer of his campaign is convicted that should and will end his career.

    •  Treasurer (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think I know the treasurer personally. We knew the campaign manager well and attempts to implicate her failed. The press crucified her but there have been no real accusations of wrong doing by her, so reading the press gave the wrong impression of her.

      Pan seems guilty. The treasurer I am less convinced of. I assume it was the treasurer that we dealt with directly or indirectly when we noticed such careful handling and scrutiny of the money. I cannot ignore the evidence of my own eyes and NO campaign I have dealt with with one possible judicial candidate I know was as careful as the Liu campaign when handling money. It is possible they were less careful when dealing with others (like Pan). To me given the care they were taking it suggests a lapse of judgment on the part of the treasurer and not criminal activity, but again, I don't know her and maybe the people directly working with us (which included John himself and his campaign manager) were more careful than other people in the campaign.

      The bottom line is Quinn and de Blasio (not Thompson, I think) already have been linked to scandals of equal or worse magnitude and have been investigated. Yet they aren't getting the same scrutiny. Liu is linked to ONE scandal that may go up to his treasurer or may not but probably doesn't go higher. Quinn's whole administration has been linked to shady handling of city money and Bill de Blasio's campaign had to quickly give back a lot of money because of widespread misuse of funds. But he was allowed to simply correct the misuse and the press dropped it.

      So the press focuses on ONE candidate, and the one that in my personal experience has the most integrity and is the most progressive. I don't say Liu shouldn't be scrutinized. He himself has welcomed the investigation not just publicly buy privately. But I don't buy the way he is singled out while the scandals of Quinn and de Blasio are ignored. Their campaigns are at least as tainted and probably more so.

      Now I realize that the way the media has singled out Liu may well mean he can't make a comeback. That is something he has to figure out. But one thing dKos is for is to try and correct some of the unfair coverage in the mainstream media. Well I know first hand that Liu's campaign has a record of considerable care when they directly deal with donors and I know about the scandals surrounding Quinn and de Blasio that no one is talking about. Seems well worth pointing out the unfairness even if that can't be overcome.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:44:47 AM PST

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