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Diary?

How about- our slaughtered children?
How about Aurora?
How about Evil?

Simply, how about- "My God."

6:32 PM PT: during this Holiday Season-
There are people out there-
That believe our God-ordained, exceptional country is under attack from a United Nations global conspiracy to created a worldwide, ruthless, fascist society. Jesus gives us automatic weapons for that.
There are people out there-
That believe that the only solution to gun crime, is to get a hell of a lot more firepower. Jesus gets us more ammo for that.
There are people out there-
That believe global warming is a sham created by evil scientists conspiratorially scheming to take control of our schools and gov't. Jesus gives us laser sights for that.
There are people out there-
That believe gays should be corralled in Gitmo-styled camps- because they are an abomination to God, a scourge on American-Christian Society, and a threat to our children (turning them into homos and all). Jesus gets us Glocks for that.
There are people out there-
That believe a Dr. that provides abortions should be executed, and women (regardless of circumstance) that receive abortions should be sent away with lengthy prison terms. Jesus gives us cute little 38s for that.
There are people out there-
That believe immigrants are a blemish on our national mandate, bringing their heathen religions and inferior cultures to our proud sovereign nation. Hell yea. Jesus gets us a couple of Desert Eagles for that.
There are people out there-
That firmly believe that they are not racist, that they should do everything in their power to destroy our President, even if it entails destroying the country- because he is an illegal alien, non-citizen, terrorist-sympathizing Muslim.
There are people out there-
That scream profanity and racist slurs at their TVs during a memorial service for 20 slaughtered American children- because it interrupts their football game. Jesus got us a big-ass 357 for that.
There are people out there, that only and continuously watch Fox News- convinced that it is the only trusted media link to what is really happening in the nation and the world. Jesus made us some pipe bombs for that.
.... And during this Christmas Season, there are people out there-
that feel good, thoroughly convinced without a shred of doubt that they are a living testament to God's will- all the while brandishing, holding, even hugging their own weapon of mass destruction- sitting under the colored lights of their beautiful, plastic Christmas tree.

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  •  Why don't YOU write the diary. Don't just link. (12+ / 0-)

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 04:49:54 PM PST

  •  The link notes (10+ / 0-)

    that the NRA is opposed to regulation of silencers, not because they don't make it easier to carry out mass killings but because they protect childrens' hearing while otherwise being shot.

    Quite literally treating dandruff by decapitation.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 04:55:36 PM PST

    •  The NRA depravity (2+ / 0-)

      is, apparently, a bottomless pit.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:28:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  When's the last time... (2+ / 0-)
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      theboz, harrylimelives

      Anyone used a silencer in a crime?

      Are you aware, for instance, that using one doesn't reduce the sound to a whispered little "pew pew" noise like they do the in the movies? It's still a loud crack, it's just not a (literally) deafening crack.

      Or that due to the (1932?) NFA, they actually are difficult to acquire and require an BATF tax stamp? All kinds of paperwork, regulatory bullshit?

      I'd say that if the NRA is talking about them, it's not so much that they're crazy like some suggest, they'd just rather people like yourself waste time arguing about silencers rather than supporting Feinstein's ban on firearms.

      •  well- (0+ / 0-)

        Feinstein's proposal is full of holes, won't pass in any shape or form as proposed, and no one is addressing the problem in a way that provides incentives to 'big money.'
        do that, and things will happen.

        are they using silencers as distraction fr the core issue? probably. you are probably point on.

        thanks for post

        •  Well, it's not so much a "they". (0+ / 0-)

          Since I'd include myself in the larger group of pro-gun-rights people, if not the NRA proper.

          I'm here mostly because I'm curious... I can't say that I'm impressed with most people here. It seems to all be hysterical jibber-jabber and confiscatory fantasy.

          I certainly hope the gun control people in Washington as as nutsy as the typical DKer, if so, we may manage to defeat any new legislation, or even to relax currently existing legislation.

          •  thanks for your candor (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            subtropolis, historys mysteries

            i've been anti-gun for a while now- esp after living in asia for a bit.
            i was hurt deeply about the loss of those children- but i have 5 sons so go figure.

            there's a lot of preaching to the choir on kos- but i find a lot of info and entertainment as well.

            the only.. only way to address gun issues regards money and incentive- the big players have to see advantage-
            people can talk magazines and 2nd amendment and be right.. or wrong- it doesn't matter- but make it sellable to the big money guys- and they'll be happy to make things happen-

            best-
            m

      •  regulations work sometimes (1+ / 0-)
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        historys mysteries

        I think you're missing the point here that the NRA would like to remove the restrictions that keep suppressors from being commonly available. Yes, you can make your own but it will be inferior and anyway possession remains a liability.

        And define "pew pew". I assert that, regardless of what is represented by Hollywood, a suppressor would indeed be useful for keeping a low profile in a gun rampage.

        All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

        by subtropolis on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 11:58:33 PM PST

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        •  I'll define it. (1+ / 0-)
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          Robobagpiper

          Instead of the roar of a jet engine, the gunshot now is merely a car with no muffler and the engine revving.

          Does that give you some idea?

          None of you anywhere in this thread have managed to even hint what you think would happen if they were commonly available. You speak as if they would be used in rampages, but I'm not sure what you think would be accomplished. Everyone in that school would have heard the gunshots just fine with the thing.

          You know when you see pictures of somebody at a gun range, shooting at the paper target? How they always have the big goofy ear muffs on? That's because they would be functionally deaf for hours after shooting if they did not have them. And, after not so many trips to the range, quite permanently.

          The suppressor makes it possible to shoot without needing those. It's still loud as hell. And if you knew anything at all about the subject, you'd know that.

          Liberals worried about loosened silencer restrictions are like bad caricatures of themselves.

  •  Countdown (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    historys mysteries

    to RKBA defense of silencers...

    5, 4, 3....

    •  They're not that difficult to defend. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Robobagpiper

      For instance, I can tell immediately that you and everyone else here knows very little about them and only what you've seen in Hollywood movies (you know, the type that has Jesse Ventura carrying around a gun that can only be mounted on a helicopter and weighs 800 pounds without ammunition).

      Silencers are already heavily regulated in much the same way (fully-automatic) machine guns are. You need a tax stamp for them, you need to fill out paperwork and go through all the hassle that you would if it were a machine gun, and finally many months later you are approved to buy one. Not "any" silencer, but the particular one you started to purchase a year ago. And if you want a second one, you go through all the rigamarole again.

      What do you get once you go through that? A device that, when attached to the end of the barrel of your firearm, reduces the sound to a level that you don't need ear protection for to avoid becoming deaf. It's still very loud, it's definitely not that "pew pew" sound they have in the movies that is heavily insinuated to be whisper-quiet.

      If this device is damaged and needs replacement? You go through all the bullshit again. If you need to send it in for repairs, that means filing paperwork to have it approved to be out of your possession.

      And though we all love the cliched television shows where every hitman and criminal and spy has a silencer, when we look at the numbers no crimes are ever committed with these things. No school shootings, no muggings, no bank robberies... just nada.

      So little happens with suppressors (their real name... oh and it's magazines, not "clips") that we have to wonder why Democrats and other progressives are up in arms about the things.

      •  we know they're not magic (0+ / 0-)

        But they are heavily regulated for a reason: They work pretty good enough.

        And if the NRA had its way? You can bet that firearms makers would begin pouring out models that were far and above what suppressors achieve today. It's the market, you see.

        All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

        by subtropolis on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:02:58 AM PST

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        •  They're regulated for no reason at all, actually. (1+ / 0-)
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          Robobagpiper

          You have a bunch of Hollywood misconceptions about them.

          So did the people who wrote that legislation... or at least they were pandering to people like you.

          You say "they work pretty good enough", but you say this without even so much as hinting at what you think they accomplish.

          You can bet that firearms makers would begin pouring out models that were far and above what suppressors achieve today.
          Yes, because magic! You say this without understanding anything at all, and it shows. Do you think militaries and police forces around the world want this, but those aren't available yet because the bogeyman NRA hasn't yet got it legalized for private citizens?

          You don't even know why you want them heavily restricted and practically illegal. You just do. And quite frankly, this is why the NRA and other gun rights activists should never compromise with people like yourself, we should never offer you anything. You can't be trusted, either to know enough about the subject to debate it rationally, nor to keep your promises implied or explicit.

  •  18 word diaries deserve an HR (1+ / 0-)
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    realalaskan

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    by Ex Con on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:03:41 PM PST

  •  It's ludicrous. Perhaps edit with a summary? (2+ / 0-)
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    DefendOurConstitution, Ex Con

    It'd help a bit to judge from the comments.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:06:45 PM PST

  •  downtownLA - this fails the diary test (2+ / 0-)
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    realalaskan, Ex Con

    Even in the DK4 era where there is no actual standard for a diary this fails even that standard.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:28:14 PM PST

  •  from the link (2+ / 0-)
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    downtownLALife, subtropolis
    A gruesome holiday season exercise: Think of some firearms and accessories that might have added to the body counts of Aurora and Newtown. More starkly, imagine the means by which coming Auroras and Newtowns will be made more deadly.

    The exercise starts with a militarized baseline, as both shooters unloaded designed-for-damage rounds from high-capacity magazines loaded into assault rifles. Improving their killing efficiency would require one of two things: the ability to shoot more bullets faster, or more time. A fully automatic machine gun would provide the first. More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder.

    It should surprise no one that the NRA has recently thrown its weight behind an industry campaign to deregulate and promote the use of silencers.  

    I'm not too wild about this type of diary, but it's been approved by the big guy "a diary can be one sentence", so HRs aren't really appropriate.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:30:55 PM PST

  •  I was just reading this article and considering (0+ / 0-)

    doing a diary, but I see that someone wants to whine without doing any of the actual work.

    So...nevermind

    "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

    by Sychotic1 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:35:39 PM PST

    •  whining? who- the comments that can't see.. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      subtropolis

      the forest for the trees?

      are you referring to me- the diary writer?

      actual work? i'm associate editor for downtownlalife.com magazine as their intl political bureau chief- that has lately been covering and writing domestic political stories for the last 2 yrs.

      i enjoy engaging in Kos banter-

      some strongly written stories speak for themselves, shockingly so- without words that my be construed as pretentious or self serving--- this is one.

      diary added in update section

      cheers mate.

  •  you want a more communicative diary? here it is- (1+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1

    back in the day when i sold art photography, singapore and here- i used to say very little when questioned about the work. i felt that my words would often be pretentious- further- i felt that the work spoke for itself-

    just as this story speaks for it self. damningly so

    here goes :::

    during this Holiday Season-

    There are people out there-
That believe our God-ordained, exceptional country is under attack from a United Nations global conspiracy to created a worldwide, ruthless, fascist society. Jesus gives us automatic weapons for that.

    There are people out there-
That believe that the only solution to gun crime, is to get a hell of a lot more firepower. Jesus gets us more ammo for that.

    There are people out there-
That believe global warming is a sham created by evil scientists conspiratorially scheming to take control of our schools and gov't. Jesus gives us laser sights for that.

    There are people out there-
That believe gays should be corralled in Gitmo-styled camps- because they are an abomination to God, a scourge on American-Christian Society, and a threat to our children (turning them into homos and all). Jesus gets us Glocks for that.

    There are people out there-
That believe a Dr. that provides abortions should be executed, and women (regardless of circumstance) that receive abortions should be sent away with lengthy prison terms. Jesus gives us cute little 38s for that.

    There are people out there-
That believe immigrants are a blemish on our national mandate, bringing their heathen religions and inferior cultures to our proud sovereign nation. Hell yea. Jesus gets us a couple of Desert Eagles for that.

    There are people out there-
That firmly believe that they are not racist, that they should do everything in their power to destroy our President, even if it entails destroying the country- because he is an illegal alien, non-citizen, terrorist-sympathizing Muslim.

    There are people out there-
That scream profanity and racist slurs at their TVs during a memorial service for 20 slaughtered American children- because it interrupts their football game. Jesus got us a big-ass 357 for that.

    There are people out there, that only and continuously watch Fox News- convinced that it is the only trusted media link to what is really happening in the nation and the world. Jesus made us some pipe bombs for that.

    And there are people out there, that are excited about making killing a quiet affair- maybe a gift for next season, or maybe a surprise birthday present

    .... And during this Holiday Season, there are people out there-
that feel good, thoroughly convinced without a shred of doubt that they are a living testament to God's will- all the while brandishing, holding, even hugging their own weapon of mass destruction- sitting under the colored lights of their beautiful, plastic Christmas tree.
    And they are excited about making killing a quiet affair- maybe a gift for next season, or maybe my birthday.

    And they are excited about making killing a quiet affair- maybe a gift for next season, or maybe my birthday.

  •  On the subject of silencers (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    talk about making a dollar off the blood of innocents, and how much more evil do you have to be to make the marketing, "Do it for the children."

    I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read the article.

    "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

    by Sychotic1 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 07:07:15 PM PST

  •  There's no such thing as a silencer (3+ / 0-)
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    annieli, theboz, Robobagpiper

    They're called suppressors, and you need a Class III federal weapons permit to own one. You also need your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer to sign off and basically give you permission to acquire it. Then you have to apply with the ATF for the permit. Only then are you allowed to purchase it from a federally regulated Class III firearms dealers. It's a cumbersome process and not at all easy.

     

    I've seen some hardboiled eggs in my time, but you're about twenty minutes

    by harrylimelives on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 07:08:24 PM PST

    •  Is it a good idea to make it easier? (0+ / 0-)

      That's what the NRA is pushing.

      •  actually yes, they would make practice much (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Robobagpiper

        safer on the hearing...

        Even countries with very restrictive firearms laws make noise suppressors easy to get.  Many if not most European countries allow suppressors and many recommend them to protect both the shooter and neighbors from the loud noise.  In New Zealand a suppressor is expected.

        From what this diary is, I cant really tell what they think the problem is.  In any high power rifle the projectile is supersonic and much of the sound comes from the sonic boom off the projectile.  Suppressors just soften the muzzle blast reducing the noise.  Only with special subsonic rounds in most calibers is any major silencing accomplished and they are not common at all except in .22 rimfire.....a round which is amazingly loud at standard velocity in a pistol.....

        To treat suppressors like machine guns which is current law is kind of silly when you really look at it. They are a safety device like ear plugs or shooting glasses only they protect everyone around not just the shooter.  In many areas where neighborhoods have moved right up next to shooting ranges, the owners of the houses would love the people at the range to use suppressors.

        For a crook, they double at least the length of a pistol making it much harder to hide and as such even though very easy to make, they arent used by crooks except in spy movies...

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:09:03 PM PST

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    •  The NRA is lobbying to make it easier (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      subtropolis

      Silencers, suppressors, whatever you want to call them. The things that make the bang bang less loud. You should read the article.

      You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

      by SwedishJewfish on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:33:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  There was an article? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sure it was lost somewhere in this horribly ill conceived diary. I'll find a shovel and dig through the paragraphs.

        Yes, I read the article too and the NRA can lobby all it wants, but suppressors will remain a class III device.

        I've seen some hardboiled eggs in my time, but you're about twenty minutes

        by harrylimelives on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 09:42:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  the NRA would like to change that (0+ / 0-)

      Because freedom.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:05:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  from your link (0+ / 0-)
    “Simple licensing requirements weeds out both blatant criminals and a certain kind of stockpiling insurrectionist who refuses to engage with the federal government,” says Ladd Everitt of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. “The law has been effective.”
    This would seem to nullify everything else in the article.  If the NFA has been very effective, and nobody's trying to repeal the NFA, what exactly is the worry?

    States' rights? Corporate rights? Militia rights? Government rights? Hell no! Only individuals have rights. Proud lifelong human supremacist.

    by happymisanthropy on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:26:06 PM PST

    •  not about repealing the NFA (0+ / 0-)

      Suppressors are regulated under the NFA. The NRA would like to make some changes to the NFA.

      And move we have. The NRA has enjoyed state-level success chipping away at restrictions on the use of silencers around the country, an effort that has proceeded largely unnoticed in the shadows of higher-profile battles over the spread of Concealed Carry and Stand Your Ground laws. Silencers are currently legal with permit in 40 states, a growing number of which are rescinding bans on their use while hunting.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 12:12:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  thanks for the link! (0+ / 0-)

    Don't sweat the diary. After reading the first few grafs my thoughts were

    no words

    And the rest of the story is top-notch.

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 11:41:32 PM PST

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