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Look, I don't like tonight's deal.  It's...bad.

But let's not forget what else the sequester cut.  It didn't just cut defense spending.  It cut virtually all "discretionary domestic spending".  It left the doc fix unfixed -- which would have killed Medicaid by cutting payments to physicians by 27%.  NASA, NSF, anything not involved in killing people?  Yeah, no, gone.

So before you lose it too terribly much, remember that there was a lot that we did get.  Is it a good deal?  Not in my opinion.  Was it wise to take it anyway?  You know, I really don't know.  It isn't obvious, bad as this deal is.

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  •  didn't it cut food stamps too? (0+ / 0-)

    bad bad idea to slash the safety net that the very poorest have fallen into.
    I had been concerned by the "go over the cliff" chorus because of these cuts. I worried that the Republicans would never agree to re-fund these programs.

    I know for sure that if food stamps had been slashed...i do know that was part of one of the Republican proposals...Americans would have DIED.

    I know people who would have.

    People don't discuss the impact of what these cuts really meant. It would be absolute last straw withdrawn from many people/families who are barely surviving. They would crash. Some would get ill, some would die.

    As it is food stamps do not let you buy enough food to eat a healthy diet. I have a science degree and happen to know the amt of food stamps I (would) get. I know I would not get to buy fresh vegetables, for example.

  •  Uh... (5+ / 0-)

    The sequester wasn't stopped, it still exists, it was merely delayed 60 days (naturally the GOP will be reasonable by then) and tied to the debt ceiling negotiations.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:28:34 PM PST

    •  BINGO...Obama gave away the store on taxes... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and in doing so, pissed away the greatest leverage he had to deal with the debt ceiling, federal spending and the Big 3. Now, he gets to negotiate those separate of taxes...which he had broad support from the public on.

      I swear...I don't know where this White House learned to negotiate, but they keep getting worse at it at every turn. At least 2010 was timed for a presidential election. There is virtually no rational basis for what was handed to Republicans on a silver platter tonight. We would have gotten all the sweeteners anyway, so to me it looks like our side caved completely and will do so again if cornered by the GOP.

      Sad, but reality.

  •  I'm having trouble understanding why it's bad (4+ / 0-)

    It cut 110 billion dollars in military funding, didn't it? Or did I read it wrong?

    The rest, well, I don't know one way or another. It preserved Medicare. That was a big Progressive issue. It did slightly increase taxes a bit on a slightly lower bracket. Not as much as would have been ideal, but the middle class was preserved and not hurt. UI kept in place, so that's a big deal.

    What did we lose? Totally sincere question. I feel like I'm missing something with the responses and how angry they are.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:32:19 PM PST

    •  I agree with you, and here's someone else (2+ / 0-)
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      who does, too:

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      by jan4insight on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:56:05 PM PST

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      •  Fwiw, I've been seeing a lot of this: (1+ / 0-)
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        by jan4insight on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:11:26 PM PST

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        •  Where are people saying we were screwed? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'll trust you to help me parse this one. I can't really follow the argument at all. How are they saying we were screwed? That looks good as well.

          Is it the sequester issue? That seems like it comes up a lot. Lots about kicking the can down the road, but I thought everyone was saying we had to make a deal earlier today or we'd lose UI, so that also confuses me.

          Then again, has the deal been voted on yet? They ought to be voting on it now. Frankly, I'll be very surprised if it gets out of the House with all of the Tea Partiers.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:19:19 PM PST

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      •  Well, here's my take (3+ / 0-)
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        and it's not the most adept one, and I've said that all along (because I do not follow economics as readily as I would like, period -- it's not the math, it's the systems behind it, something very hard for me to follow in general and thus I try yet harder to follow):

        What I saw was diaries, many diaries, on this site asking for all of these things. Specifically, no chained CPI, no medicare or social security being chopped, no unemployment insurance overturned. I feel like these were the vast majority of the diarists' concerns that I read, and thus, due to my general bewilderment when faced with economics, I read that these three issues were the Progressive "biggies."

        I've seen mixed diaries about the merits and demerits of going over the fiscal cliff and have never quite followed which made more sense. Likewise, mixed issues in regard to the sequester.

        So now I am seeing the three top issues discussed tackled, and then an additional military budget cut issue, and a slightly lower-than-hoped-for (but still not a harmful one that I am aware of) tax which does improve matters from what they were before.

        I can't see the loss?

        I really cannot. I'm curious to know why everyone is upset. I'm sure people think this is a facetious comment meant to prop up Obama's grandeur or whatnot although it's very much not since I've vocally opposed any sort of "entitlement" cuts. I don't have a clue who Bob Cesca is, sorry. But I'm not sensing the betrayal. Is it because we were supposed to go over the fiscal cliff? I've been unclear on that one all around since Progressives have said we both should and should not do that. Is it because we didn't get a high enough, 400K tax rate? Neither did Francoise Hollande in France this week when he went for a 75% tax on top earners; France deemed it unconstitutional outright. I thought it was kind of brilliant of him to do that though. Still, not very practical. So we advanced forward, for all that I can see, but there's a lot of freaking out still?

        That confuses me. And honestly, I can't stand being confused. If I'm eating a shit sandwich, it tastes very close to the one I saw being ordered other than the 250K vs. 400K issue (which again, I'm not aware of hurting; it just doesn't much help).

        Am I missing the shit part of my sandwich? It wouldn't be the first time. Maybe I make too little money to ever see an impact from all of this anyways? That could be my problem. We're already paycheck to paycheck.  

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        by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:16:46 PM PST

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        •  Like I said, I agree with you. (3+ / 0-)
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          And I don't understand all of the ins & outs either, but I also don't sense betrayal on the part of the President. The anti-Obama diaries here consistently seem to be talking about a different person than the I one I have observed who is actually the POTUS at this time.

          I think a lot of it just that the idea of compromise is anathema to some of the more vocal left. How that makes them different from our opponents (especially the tbaggers), I don't know.

          I also think that the more well-off liberals wanted to do that "over the fiscal cliff" thing to give a massive finger to the Rs. I'm not sure how that would help, but I do know it would really hurt the people like you and me, who have to stretch to make ends meet.

          Fyi, Bob Cesca is a liberal blogger and one of the saner ones. He's in our corner in terms of defending Pres. Obama from the haters, and he writes a pretty good blog. I follow him on Twitter.

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          by jan4insight on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 08:26:56 PM PST

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    •  We lost our greatest bargaining chip... (0+ / 0-)

      ...when negotiating federal spending, the debt ceiling, and the Big 3. Now, the GOP gets to negotiate all that without having to answer for their unconscionable positions on income and capital gains taxes.

  •  This is a shitty comment. nt (0+ / 1-)
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  •  Doesn't matter. Won't pass the House. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 07:35:01 PM PST

  •  I'm pleased for you. (1+ / 0-)
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    From where I sit it looks extremely shitty but maybe my bar is a little higher than yours.

  •  What I hope is happening is that the Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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    leadership is looking down the road. The Republicans are trying to hang themselves, and so perhaps the best idea is to give them plenty or rope.

    If a compromise passes, they will get credit since it is clear that the Republican leadership won't be able to deliver a majority. If it fails, then the Republicans obviously get full responsibility. So it is heads we win, tails they lose.

    Every time this happens the Republican leadership and the party in general is weakened. It happened last summer with the debt ceiling, but at that time there was still an attempt by some of the serious people to blame both parties. This time it seems that almost everyone is looking at the Republicans.

    Bill Clinton did something similar to Gingrich by letting him torpedo the appropriation bills. It was a disaster in the short term, but it ended up destroying Gingrich in the long run.

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