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Not a great way to ring in the New Year...

The New Year’s Eve celebration in Old Sacramento was violently interrupted by a wild scene on Monday night when five people were shot, including at least two people who died.

The violence erupted in the 1000 block of 2nd Street at the Sports Corner Cafe near Fanny Ann’s Saloon at about 9:38 p.m., according to the Sacramento Police Department. It wasn’t clear if the shootings happened inside or in front of the establishment.

[...]

“I saw the gun in the hand. He was just screaming and shooting,” another woman said.

Some 40,000 people, including lots of families with young children, had gathered in Old Sac for a 9 p.m. fireworks show shortly before the shots rang out. Another fireworks show scheduled for midnight was canceled. A Sacramento Police helicopter circled overhead to announce the midnight cancellation.

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It just doesn't stop. How many more have to die?

Can't even go see some fucking fireworks without a fucking gun fucking shit up.

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Originally posted to DeadHead on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 02:52 AM PST.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Brrrr. (7+ / 0-)

    I know where Fanny Ann's is. It's on a lower level in Old Sac. I put down a few beers there one day and then ran into Billy Preston, of all people.

  •  Where are all the Good Guys with guns? (7+ / 0-)

    Oh I know.. at their keyboards with their talk radio programs fantasizing about when the SHTF. Looks like the SHTF without them.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 05:08:56 AM PST

    •  The Good Guys With Guns (2+ / 0-)
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      Cartoon Messiah, Aunt Pat

      aren't carrying in Sacramento County. Good Guys are Guys That Obey Laws, and it's next to impossible to get a CCW permit there.

      •  I am not asking anyone to be a Good Guy.... (6+ / 0-)

        with a concealed carry weapon.  If you choose to get a concealed carry permit, do it for your own self defense, not mine.

        Despite a lack of concealed carry in California, the number of murders is going down.  http://www.sacbee.com/...

        More guns are sold, but concealed carry is not the issue.  

        There is a well documented decline in violent crime nationwide, and concealed carry is listed by many as the reason.  That cannot be said in California, where they also have introduced a gun magazine limit of 10.  

        Another place with tight gun regulation is Washington DC.  They have experienced a decline in murders.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/...  Better policing is part of the solution.

        I hope vice-president Biden leads a nuanced effort to reduce gun violence.  I think the results from improved policing are very important in doing this.  I think the data on reductions in gangs being associated with reductions in gang violence and murders is important. New York City has also reduced violence due to better policing.  That said, those two places are becoming more gentrified and have had more employment than the rest of the country.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:12:01 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I suspect that (1+ / 0-)
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          Dave in Northridge

          another person with a gun could have done nothing to change this situation, except perhaps prevent the shooter from getting away. I'm sure we can agree that that's never a desirable outcome. And trying to stop that may well have not been the thing to do in this situation. Knowing the area as I do, I'd not be surprised if that was a gang thing.

          If you choose to get a concealed carry permit, do it for your own self defense, not mine.
          I'm going to proceed on the assumption that you didn't intend that as confrontationally as it comes off on first blush. I don't need a permit. I live in Vermont.
          •  Very unlikely (4+ / 0-)

            someone with a gun could have changed the situation except make it more tragic.  Guns are offensive weapons.
            If you are trying to use a gun to defend yourself or others from others using guns you are already at a huge disadvantage.  You have to id the target, prepare your weapon, somehow keep yourself from getting shot, make sure (hopefully) that your target is correct and you will not cause greater harm by engaging.

            All things I do not want an average citizen doing.  Owning guns does not make you safe.

            •  We've established (0+ / 0-)

              your perspective already.

              If you are trying to use a gun to defend yourself or others from others using guns you are already at a huge disadvantage.
              Not necessarily or universally.
              Owning guns does not make you safe.
              If that's what you believe, you're free not to own one. I'm comfortable and conversant with the two I own.
              All things I do not want an average citizen doing.
              That's your problem until you get elected dictator.
              •  Don't put (5+ / 0-)

                some collective 'we' in your response to me kestrel9000.

                My perspective of reality, so an opinion.  Backed with a logical argument:  I think that you or I would be at a great disadvantage if we were responding to someone already shooting.  The world does not work different for you kestrel9000 unless you are a super hero.  If you are well trained you will be less disadvantaged then someone not well trained.  The person already shooting has the upper hand.

                If you still don't get it look up what the word disadvantage means before you respond, universal is not in the definition.

                Owning guns does not make you safe.
                Right now you can own all the guns you want.  They do not protect you from gun violence though.  If you own a gun you are more likely to die of gun violence of some form.  If that makes you feel safe go for it, buy a few more maybe it will help.
                That's your problem until you get elected dictator.
                You don't elect dictators.  Most of them seem to be people that got elected once and never went away.  Would not want the job anyway(dictator or elected).  I'll just work to change the shitty laws we have now so the average citizen never has the chance to do it.
              •  "We've established" phrase is condescending (2+ / 0-)
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                glorificus, Glen The Plumber

                as if you are speaking to a child or imbecile who has committed some transgression. I dont know how to adequately express the idea, Kestrel, that your arguments would hold a LOT more water if you don't put them in the container of disdain.

                The idea of the "We've established"  is that of Winston Churchill at a state dinner in response to a lady whom he had asked 'would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" She said, why yes. Churchill responded with, "Then would you sleep with me for a hundred dollars?" The lady acted astonished and said, "Of course not. What do you think I am, some sort of prostitute." To which Sir Winston declared:

                "We've established what you are, now we are just haggling over the price." Its that tone which Winston could arguably get away with, as leader of the Allied Alliance in Europe, but which sounds cheap and upbraiding coming from a blog commenter. Its just out of place in a Democratic Forum, and designed to get more heat than light on a subject, which it has done.

                Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:53:02 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  put another way (0+ / 0-)

                  Three days ago, I had no idea who that person was. Then suddenly, they came at me out of nowhere with a blast of vitriol. Have a look and see if you can find.

                  Thus, "we've established" = "Yes, I know how you feel."

                  Finally, I have no use for your advice on discourse, and you are not the arbiter of what is out of place on this "Democratic Forum" or any other, unless you're an admin somewhere.

                  "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

                  by kestrel9000 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:09:54 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I thought you weren't responding to me.. (0+ / 0-)

                    EVER again. EVER. And I was about the sixth or seventh person who you weren't responding to EVER again.

                    Are you starting to see what your stance appears to be like for the rest of the reality-based community? You appear petulant and immature, prone to outbursts and changable, slamming doors when you dont get your way, and crossing people off "forEVER."

                    Many people, myself included, are reminded of our own six year olds at home in a stage of emotional development in which "fear" of one's own comptetence is the primary issue at hand.

                    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                    by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:23:35 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  How nice for you. (0+ / 0-)

                      In no sense do you have one iota of any standing to speak for

                      the rest of the reality-based community
                      Get over yourself.

                      "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

                      by kestrel9000 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:30:02 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  No standing... (0+ / 0-)

                        Now THAT is an interesting comment from a person in a Democratic blog. Commenters have no standing.

                        And yet, here you are.

                        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                        by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:40:56 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  You have standing (1+ / 0-)
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                          FrankRose

                          to speak for yourself, and not

                          the rest of the reality-based community
                          Do you understand the difference?

                          "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

                          by kestrel9000 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:50:15 AM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Re-read my comment Kestrel. (0+ / 0-)

                            This is the primary reason why you are being ignored. Your piss party tactics combined with willful disregard of what is said PLUS an inability to concede that you are able to change your mind, ever, makes you an arguer not of good faith. And it is also the reason why I comment to you. So you can see what your own tactics lead to; not democracy, but authoritarianism.

                            Do you see?

                            Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                            by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:07:21 AM PST

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                          •  wow! (1+ / 0-)
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                            FrankRose
                            This is the primary reason why you are being ignored.
                            I didn't realize that was happening.

                            Couldn't tell it by you.

                            "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 11:31:16 AM PST

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                          •  You know what does lead to authoritarianism? (0+ / 0-)

                            Sacrificing liberty for percieved security.

                            I am unwilling to change my mind on giving up any of the liberties protected by the Constitution, that doesn't make me 'an arguer not of good faith'-it makes me an American, and a free citizen.

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 01:06:15 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  The Second Amendment does not protect (0+ / 0-)

                            a unrestricted right to arms. The Supreme Court said so in Heller. What about that do you not understand? It is not liberty if it infringes upon the liberty of others. What about that do you not understand?

                            You are arguing in bad faith. You can never change your mind. That is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

                            Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                            by OregonOak on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:33:08 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And there are already limits. (0+ / 0-)

                            "Not liberty if it infringes upon the liberty of others"
                            The Right to keep and bear arms doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

                            "You can never change your mind"
                            When it comes to Constitutionally protected rights?
                            I certainly hope not.

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:59:36 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  And who is the authoritarian here? (0+ / 0-)

                    When you say "I have no use for your advice on discourse... unlss you're an admin somewhere."

                    Shorter Kestrel: No one can convince me of anything unless its a "higher authority."

                    And I am an admin somewhere. A big wig. A heavyweight. The man. The dude. But I'd rather convince you and persuade you, not intimidate you with authority.

                    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                    by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:28:46 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  "I'd rather convince you and persuade you" (0+ / 0-)

                      Then don't try and decide for me what is out of place here or anywhere else, or what I may or may not say.

                      "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

                      by kestrel9000 on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:31:44 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  "Decide for you.." (0+ / 0-)

                        "... or what I may or may not say.'

                        No one here is deciding for you what you may say or not say. Not me, not anyone else, not even the admins. There is no reason to believe in reality that your comments are being edited, changed, coerced or even misunderstood.

                        What is happening is that your comments are being challenged in tone, fact and stance, and it only appears to you that someone is trying to coerce, edit or change your mind.

                        That is the stance of an authoritarian. To dissent from an authoritarian is to incur the charge that I am somehow trying to decide for you. Nope. I only respond in the hope that you will see where you are coming from, from a position of insecurity and fear, and that this is locking you into a position on the gun debate which is going down the drain with each passing day.

                        I am wondering when you will decide to never EVER respond to me EVER. Again.

                        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                        by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:46:38 AM PST

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        •  I so agree with you murr. I just want them to (1+ / 0-)
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          DefendOurConstitution

          keep their guns.  Conceal carry for their own protection.

          I am sick and tired of the -- my gun got took by the bad guys, silly me, some one might get hurt, I'll be needing amnesty defense --  they really need to hold on to their freeking guns.

          Please sign my petition, to enforce the keep in the 2nd amendment.

          Gun owners shouldn't have a problem with that, but they howl.  You would think they would laugh at me and say we keep our guns.  But they don't, they start with the whiny-baby 'I can't help it if my gun got took'  Good grief.  How quickly the cold dead fingers turn into butterfingers.  They whine, 'I had my gun locked with bands of steel and only went into the bar for an hour or two'.  Then of course the manly, 'If it had been legal for me to carry it, no one would have took it'. Sure.  Always another excuse for me (society) to deal with their hobby.

      •  A gun fight at a fireworks show? (1+ / 0-)
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        DeadHead
      •  Are we back to suggesting people fire in a crowd? (3+ / 0-)

        No wonder we never make any progress.

        Arm the children!

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:46:45 AM PST

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        •  Yes, they are. (1+ / 0-)
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          cany

          It doesn't matter, apparently, how many times a bad idea is demolished in these discussions, they have a "faith" of their own.

          As if it needed to be said again:

           Gun ownership in America is a faith, not a rational decision. That is why so many Republicans and Fundamentalists support the NRA and non-regulation in such numbers. Some Democrats do too, for the same reason; it is a fear-based faith.

          Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

          by OregonOak on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:56:29 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  We used to live in Sacramento (7+ / 0-)

    Downtown is really so much better now than it was in the 70's. But I don't recall anyone getting shot.

    We used to go see the fireworks there before they fixed up Old Town.

    Old Sacramento

    O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

    by Kevanlove on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 05:26:18 AM PST

    •  I used to work on the Riverboat Delta King (3+ / 0-)

      and walked through the K Street Mall everyday. It was scary - empty buildings, run down area. Even the tunnel under the freeway was scary. They have worked to fix it up since I left many years ago.

      Old Town was a neat area because everything was old but in good condition. The Delta King was a fun place to work, although a tad confining.

      I used to go into the stores on Front Street everyday just to browse (and to take a good long sniff of the chocolate store and the candy store!

      I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

      by woolibaar on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 08:19:29 AM PST

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      •  There weren't many building fixed up (1+ / 0-)
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        DeadHead

        When I lived there. Maybe one block. I remember when they opened the first bar there.

        We used to drive by on the highway and the buildings were all run down. Like a ghost town in the middle of a city. They still had old signs on them. One was the Assay office.

        Now it's a big, really noisy, tourist trap. The highway runs right next to it and it's so freaking noisy. And most of the stores sell tourist crap. I kind of liked the ghost town. :-)

        O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

        by Kevanlove on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 02:49:42 PM PST

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  •  you are right.... (6+ / 0-)

    when tens of thousands of people return from innocent fun because of genuine fear from murder by guns, this is more than a small problem.  Doubtless in a croud that size there were armed police, but this individual was not dissuaded by that- often because they do not intend to survive the crime.

    That said, California has quite stringent gun laws and has outlawed large capacity magazines.  So it will be interesting to follow up on this crme and figure out where they got their weapon as well as what kind of weapon it was.  I think we need an autopsy of the gun origin of every crime/suicide/accidental death in order to understand what regulations would be most effective.
    http://oag.ca.gov/...  

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 05:54:48 AM PST

  •  Like I said about gay-bashing a few months back (10+ / 0-)

    Let's call this what it is.  Terrorism. When somebody with a gun can cancel an event that thousands of people are attending, disrupting their lives, that's a terrorist act.

    Nobody would object to disarming a terrorist, I hope. Or is it okay if the terrorist is an American citizen?

    (So much for THAT New Year's Resolution)

    -7.75, -8.10; Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Dave in Northridge on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:29:05 AM PST

    •  I agree but terrorist have a political or tactical (3+ / 0-)
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      cany, DeadHead, Glen The Plumber

      aim.  In this case, the NRA's sole motive is profit (subsidized by the taxpayers).  Sadly, the regime we are living is the same as any other terror regime: we cannot go to the mall, a grocery store, the movie theater, a church/temple, or even send our kids to freaking grade school without fear that their desire for profit will not upend our life in a second.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 08:03:17 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Great diary! Great point: "How many more have to (5+ / 0-)

    die?"  Isn't 30k plus per year enough? Isn't 2k to 3k children per year enough?  We're not even counting the tens of thousands of injuries that don't result in death (like Gabby Giffords)!

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:59:30 AM PST

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