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I do not look forward to Peter King becoming Speaker of the House, but I do really look forward to John Boehner not being Speaker of the House and neither Eric Cantor nor Paul Ryan replacing him.  We're not going to get much of anything out of a Boehner-led House, that's for sure.  So, let's sow some discord and get a Republican Speaker who is dependent on Democratic votes. 201 Democrats + 16 Republicans gets us a tie in the House, 17 Republicans gets us a win.  Frankly, King (presuming we get him to drop the anti-Muslim craziness) wouldn't do any worse of a job than Boehner, but if you construe this as simply messing with them, that's fine with me too.  Let's take a day and mess with them.

I've laid out what I called the "Willie Brown strategy," along with the history of why I call it that, in this diary from three days ago, while most of you were off vacationing or something.  The idea is: don't nominate Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, as highly deserving as she is, because we know that she'll just flat-out lose and we might be able to do something more productive than losing.  Instead, nominate a Republican who will need Democratic votes to govern and who might thus take the very generous deal that we offer: Senate legislation gets to come to the floor, period.  To me, that's worth picking some Cinderella and making them into a princess.  And the effect on the GOP?  Well, take what has happened to grumbling Dems in the NY and WA State Senates this year, where and when something like this happened in the other direction, and multiply by a trillion.

The important part of the diary, though, is a list of names: potential Republican speakers that the Democrats might push through as part of a deal to get our Senate legislation voted on and potential votes for such a Speaker.  I'm now going to revise that list, highlighting those Republicans who voted for the execrable fiscal bluff compromise -- because those are the people who are now in the minority of their party, tied to the dead weight of John Boehner, and may be prepared to deal.  We have less than a day -- let's make mischief (or even magic.)

(Again, for why we'd want to do this, see my previous diary, linked above.)

I broke down Republican Speaker possibilities (who are obviously also vote possibilities) into three categories: relative moderates (who are mostly still extremists), those in close districts, and a couple of wild cards.  Let's see how they voted on the Senate fiscal bill.

Least Extreme Republican Members of the 112th Congress

For each name in this first category, which presents in order the 27 least extreme Republicans in the just-ending Congress (by National Journal score -- and if you prefer another type of ideological score I encourage you to do your own analysis) you'll see the name and district number, the year where they were first elected to the House, then their percentage of the vote (or, if it is below 54.5%, their margin, indicated with a "+".)  In cases where I thought it notable, I also included their "Econ subscore" in brackets.  I have put the names of the people who voted for the fiscal bluff bill in bold.

Walter Jones NC-3 (1994) 63%
Chris Smith NJ-4 (1980) 69%
Richard Hanna NY-22 (2010) 61%
Mike Fitzpatrick PA-8 (2010) 57%
Chris Gibson NY-19 (2010) +7%
Jeff Fortenberry NE-1 (2004) 68%
Pat Meehan PA-7 (2010) 60%
Michael Grimm NY-11 (2010) 53%
Frank LoBiondo NJ-2 (1994) 58%
Dave Reichert WA-8 (2004) 60%
Jaime Herrera Beutler WA-3 (2010) 60%
David McKinley WV-1 (2010) 63%
Frank Wolf VA-10 (1980) 59%
Peter King NY-2 (1992) 59%
John Campbell CA-45 (2005) 59%
Joe Heck NV-3 (2010) +7%
Mario Diaz-Balart FL-25 (2002) 76%
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen FL-27 (1989) 60%
Jim Duncan TN-2 (1988) 75%
Charlie Dent PA-15 (2004) 57%
Tom Petri WI-6 (1979) 62% [60 Econ]
Fred Upton MI-6 (1986) 54%
Rodney Frelinghuysen NJ-11 (1994) 59%
Dana Rohrabacher CA-48 (2005) 62% [60 Econ]
Mike Turner OH-10 (2002) 60%
Shelley Moore Capito WV-2 (2000) 70% [60 Econ]
Glenn Thompson PA-5 (2008) 63% [tied for 200th most conservative]
Non-Extreme Economic Score + Under 10% Margin
Justin Amash MI-3 +9% (2010) [#237, 48 Econ]
Jon Runyan NJ-3 (2010) 9% [#181, 53 Econ]
Tom Reed NY-23 (2010) +4% [#179, 57 Econ]
Vern Buchanan FL-16 (2006) +7% [#165, 50 Econ]
Tom Latham IA-3 (1994) +9% [#164, 55 Econ]
Odd Possibilities
Bill Young FL-13 (1970) 58% [#193, 47 Econ]
Gary Miller CA-31 (1998) 55.2% [#29, 90 Econ - Dem District]
Those National Journal Scores have some pretty good predictive capacity, don't they?  Combine them with living in one of the industrial corners of the nation -- Orange County CA excepted, sigh -- and they're pretty devastating.  So those names you see in bold up there?  (1) They're all rotten.  (2) They are what passes for moderation in the House GOP Caucus.  (3) The ones from 2010 are too new to become Speaker.  (4) One of the others could nevertheless become Speaker with Democratic votes and thus drive the House Republican Party into a self-biting, fratricidal tailspin.

The two names I'd thought were front-runners -- and no, I don't like either of them -- are Shelley Moore Capito of WV (perhaps keeping her out of the Senate race) and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of FL.  Capito -- like most reps from red states -- voted against the bill; that probably disqualifies her, but not absolutely.  Ros-Len still look viable, though, and could presumably pick up Diaz-Balart's vote and maybe Vern Buchanan's and Bill Young's too, if the payoff is right.

Then it's just a matter of picking up 13 more votes -- and, thanks to Hurricane Sandy, the NY and NJ and maybe PA delegations are in play.  That's another possible 11 votes right there.

With red state Republicans howling about how they want to take back the power from Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy, maybe it's time to take advantage of that split.  If Boehner's gone, I'd expect Cantor and McCarthy to maintain their spots, as those are internal GOP caucus votes.)  Choosing someone from NY -- and Peter King has been all over the place make his rage over the Hurricane Sandy vote well known -- might do the trick.  (If we could get Smith, great, but I think he's considered too moderate.  I don't know enough about LoBiondo or Frelinghuysen's popularity.

What about those who aren't so moderate, but could still likely vote for a "compromise" Speaker?  What about the simply beleaguered?  Let's take a look.

New + Under 10% Margin

Rodney Davis IL-13 +.4% (ex-Tim Johnson)
Jackie Walorski IN-2 +1.4% (ex-Joe Donnelly)
Andy Barr KY-6 +4% (ex-Ben Chandler)
Kerry Bentivolio MI-11 +6 (ex-Thad McCotter)
Chris Collins NY-27 +1% (ex-Kathy Hochul)
Richard Hudson  NC-8 8% (ex-Larry Kissell)
Robert Pittenger NC-9 6% (ex-Sue Myrick)
Keith Rothfus PA-12 +3% (ex-Mark Critz)
Randy Weber TX-14 +9% (ex-Ron Paul)
None of these newbies voted, of course, but it's worth noting that a couple are from NY and PA.

Under 50 Econ

Leonard Lance NJ-7 (2008) 57% [#191, 47 Econ]
Scott Rigel VA-2 (2010) +8% [#183, 47 Econ]
Lance is also from New Jersey -- and sort of moderate on economic issues.  And ... Hurricane Sandy.

Under 10% Margin

Jeff Denham CA-15 +8% [#71, 79 Econ]
Mike Coffman CO-6 +4% [#53, 73 Econ]
Steve Southerland FL-2 +5% [#40, 66 Econ]
Dan Webster FL-10 +4% [#59, 90 Econ]
Steve King IA-4 +9% [#74, 53 Econ]
Dan Benishek MI-1 +1% [#106, 82 Econ]
John Kline MN-2 +8% [#60, 90 Econ]
Michele Bachmann MN-6 +1% [#101, 50 Econ]
Lee Terry NE-2 +4% [#99, 83 Econ]
Bill Johnson OH-6 +7% [#45, 83 Econ]
Jim Renacci OH-16 +4% [#87, 83 Econ]
Some more votes for the betrayal of all that's Tea Party, and maybe for a different Speaker.

I want to call attention once again to the man who will be my Congressperson for less than one more day: Gary Miller, in my "Odd Possibilities" chart.  He's been among one of the most conservative House members -- but he's also come from a very conservative district.  He's now moved into a majority Democratic district where he won by mostly a fluke.  Unlike his OC GOP stablemates Campbell and Rohrabacher, but like his neighbors Ed Royce and Ken Calvert, he voted yes on the bill.  When we're looking for votes, he's a name to watch.

Overall, some Republicans are extremely steamed right now over the denial of Hurricane Sandy relief.  Let's take advantage of it!  Opportunities like this don't come along often.

Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:36 PM PT: Boehner was re-elected today.  Pelosi was nominated and came in second.

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  •  We have less than 22 hours left as I publish this (29+ / 0-)

    If you want to have some fun with it, you'd better get cracking!  If you have a RedState account, please either hail or denounce it there!  Or do both!

    Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

    "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
    -- Saul Alinsky

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:17:22 AM PST

  •  we don't elect (0+ / 0-)

    the speaker of the house.

    and yes, i guess i don't hang out here enough for your whims.  

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:19:32 AM PST

    •  ... did you read the content of the diary (9+ / 0-)

      or did you just skip from the title to the comments section?  Seneca is using 'we' to mean the Democratic party.

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it... unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -The Buddha

      by Brian A on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:24:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Oh, don't take my comment personally (9+ / 0-)

      (and you hurt my whims' feelings.)

      Everyone in the House votes for its Speaker.  201 Dems + 17 Republicans equals a majority.  I've rarely seen a time when it could be more likely to peel some off, create a weak Speaker dependent on Dem support, and get something significant out out of the bargain.  It's what Republicans would try to do to us!

      Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:25:12 AM PST

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      •  Yep! this is how the tea party/libertarians (6+ / 0-)

        convince themselves to create a third party (which they won't be able to agree on how to run), how the establishment repubs get to try to rebuild a somewhat more "moderate" party and how we split the field in 2014 and elect a raft of more and better progressives.

        its possible!

        .....it's on the table, under the watermelon she demurred. Thanks, I was planning on shaving anyway he replied.

        by pdx kirk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:33:37 AM PST

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      •  Say, Seneca Doane (5+ / 0-)

        can you answer this? I've been looking for an answer on line in various places with no luck.

        When the House votes for a Speaker everyone votes. Currently a majority is 218 votes.

        But to elect a Speaker is 218 a hard number? Or is a plurality enough?
             If, say, The Democrats put up Pelosi, Boehner stands again, and the vote comes in 201 for Nancy, 212 for John and, say, 22 for Peter King of NY, is John elected by the plurality?
             Or again, Pelosi 201, Boehner 88, and Cantor 147?? So does Nancy become Speaker?

        Or is the 218 an absolute?

        I haven't found an answer and wonder if you might know.

        Thanks!

        Shalom.

        (I know you can have multiple ballots. The 36th Congress balloted from December 5 of 1859 to January 30th of 1860, 8 freakin' weeks!, before they elected a Speaker.)

        "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

        by WineRev on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:49:14 PM PST

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        •  I read recently that it's a majority of members (3+ / 0-)
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          actually in the body (so that with Jesse Jackson Jr. out, we just need one immediate resignation to knock it down to 217 required), so 218 isn't sacrosanct.  As to plurality vs. majority,  I have read both in the past day.

          I think that the rules were changed after 1859-60.  I don't know; I'm reading all kinds of crazy stuff these days.  This is why we have Kagro here!

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          "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
          -- Saul Alinsky

          by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:28:23 PM PST

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      •  Interesting thinking going on over at Hot Air, (4+ / 0-)

        Only Allhapundit fantasizes about the Dems throwing their weight behind Boehner in the end so that he's indebted!

        (emphasis mine)

        There’s no Speaker until someone has a majority of votes from the entire House, so if 17 Republicans flatly refuse to vote for Boehner then he’ll be effectively blocked — unless a few Democrats decide to cross the aisle to get to 218. Could that happen? Dave Weigel says nope but I’m not sure. There’s no conceivable way that a Democrat gets elected tomorrow, so if you’re a tea-party-hating liberal backbencher, why not use your vote to spite conservatives instead? The Dems could sit back and let the drama play out for a few rounds: On the first ballot Boehner gets a heavy plurality of the GOP caucus but is blocked from a majority, on the second ballot a conservative challenger (Cantor or Jordan) pulls even but Boehner loyalists refuse to back down, on the third ballot a compromise candidate (Ryan?) enters the fray and the vote splits three ways. Then Democrats could swoop in and humiliate their enemies by voting en masse for Boehner. Not only would it deepen the fracture in the Republican caucus that Obama’s worked so hard to cause — imagine a GOP majority having to serve under a Speaker whom they knew was elected by the other side — but Democrats could spin it as a show of bipartisanship for the media. Depending upon how badly Boehner wants to keep the job, they might even be able to extract some concessions from him. Imagine this guy having to negotiate with Obama on the debt ceiling and the sequester knowing that he’s in that position chiefly because of Democratic support.
        And by interesting I mean really bizarre.

        Talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn’t "too soon." It’s much too late.
        ~~ Ezra Klein

        by smileycreek on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:09:54 PM PST

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        •  That seems highly improbable (4+ / 0-)

          If Boehner wanted to create a bipartisan governing coalition, he's already had plenty of chances to do it.  I don't think he's a good prospect for this, because at any moment the tobacco companies can flip a switch and turn off his heart.

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          by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:30:04 PM PST

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      •  i've been wondering (2+ / 0-)
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        about the remaining blue dogs.  jim matheson will almost certainly vote with the r's in order to maintain his seat in his new district.  

        and everyone has said for years that the only vote that counts is the vote for speaker.  i don't think he'd vote for pelosi again.  

        Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

        by jlms qkw on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:18:23 PM PST

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        •  Did Matheson vote for Boehner last time? (2+ / 0-)
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          I know that some did -- but I think that most of them are gone.

          Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

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          by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:30:51 PM PST

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          •  two times ago he did (2+ / 0-)
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            and he got raked over the coals locally.  

            two years ago i am not sure.  but he's not my rep anymore.  my new rep is glenn beck's best friend.  

            Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

            by jlms qkw on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:09:17 PM PST

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  •  A very interesting and unique idea! Definitely (4+ / 0-)

    worth quick, serious study and consideration...but obviously very quick since time is running out.

  •  I think we should vote for Michele Bachman (2+ / 0-)
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    She is so useless that she may destroy what is left of support for these idiots.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:31:19 AM PST

  •  This is very unlikely in a two-party system, (3+ / 0-)

    as fun as it would be.  It would be a lot more likely if we had, say, a parliamentary system with four or five parties, divided into camps:

    Conservatives:
    Tea-hadistan Party
    Corporate Fat-Cat Party

    Liberals:
    Labor / Socialist Party
    Conservative Party (because really, most Dems in this country would be conservatives in other countries).

    Under that circumstance, you could imagine the Conservative party and maybe a few members of the Labor party joining up with the (dwindling) Fat Cat party to elect a speaker.

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it... unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -The Buddha

    by Brian A on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:32:11 AM PST

    •  Yup... and frankly I think we'd be better served (4+ / 0-)
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      by a parliamentary style House with multi-party proportional representation rather than the winner take all elections we have.

      And I think the fracturing we are seeing in the Republicans really shows how they (and the Dems) are really a coalition of parties already. It's just more open and honest in a multi-party system where you see where everyone truly belongs and how the coalitions are formed.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:44:56 AM PST

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      •  Yeah, but we can discuss that in 21 hours! (6+ / 0-)

        This is for today.  Look, you know that Republicans just pulled this off in the New York State Senate (thanks in part to Cuomo's "leadership.")  You probably know what Willie Brown was able to do in CA.  Sometimes one can sneak one through!

        Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
        -- Saul Alinsky

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:56:25 AM PST

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        •  To mirror the New York Senate (4+ / 0-)
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          you need a firm fracture on the other side.

          IF...

          Peter King and Chris Christie decided to lead a revolt and got their 12 combined representatives to form a break away faction and that twelve then figured out how to serve as a galvanizing force for some other disaffected Republicans then you might be able to pull something like this off.

          The difference from New York is that the sides are much farther apart in the US House then they are in the NY State Senate. Most of the NYS Senators aren't batsit crazy tea baggers. Most of them are old style Republicans and you can actually sit at a table and reason with them because you live in a shared reality.

          I'm not sure you can do that in the US House today.

          "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

          by Andrew C White on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:23:48 PM PST

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      •  The fracturing seems to be contageous (7+ / 0-)

        I waver between loving this and a vague feeling of impending doom.

        I was just off reading about the backlash going on in Wisconsin after Paul Ryan voted FOR the fiscal-cliffhanger bill.

        The Republican powers that be in Janesville, his home town, are not just threating to primary him, they're planning to primary him. They're naming names.

        Why? Ryan is a traitor and voted along with the Marxists!

        Other Republican state legislators are proposing a deep state income tax cut (for no apparent reason) and other Republican leaders want to spend more taxpayer money on their pet projects. Giving free money to private mining companies so they can pollute faster, I guess.

        Another Republican leader actually wants to increase spending for public schools by a whopping $200/yr MORE for each student. That turns out to be because of a state constituion requirement for minimal mandatory education programs. Walker had cut the education funds much too aggressively last year and now they're likely to get sued for the shortfall and lose.

        So now there are Republicans who must find more money and others who demand less income and more spending elsewhere.

        Meanwhile, one of the largest beer distributors in the state just shut down one of their big warehouses and laid off 40 or 50 employees a few days before Christmas. The owners are/were big campaign contributors that helped to get Walker elected. In return for their bribes contributions, the right wing legislature extended hours for bars and taverns and relaxed many, many, pesky requirements (health and safety inspections and other public health requirements, for example).

        So now there's gotta be big donors who think they got what they wanted but it's not working out so weel. And Walker hasn't stepped in to help them out again.

        All kinds of nasty interal shit going on, it seems.

        Walker's off talking about his wannabe Reagan ambitions and lying about his record and criminal investigations. And he's jealous of Michigan getting Right to Work done before he did. So that's his top priority now.

        I so much want to see Paul Ryan get primaried by an insane fascist teabagger. Democrats could win that seat in 2014. Rob Zerban is my choice, for sure.

        There's more strife going on, so I'm going back to read more about it.

        "Fracking" might get a secondary political definition this year.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:42:28 PM PST

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    •  It happened just this year in NY and in WA (5+ / 0-)

      in their State Senates.  It may be unlikely, but it's not impossible, and we have pretty much all of the factors we'd need in place to make it possible.

      I really do recommend that you look at my previous diary to see how California's famed Speaker Willie Brown pulled off this trick -- twice!  With a fractured majority party, it's doable.  My concern is whether there's time to pull it off.

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      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:54:59 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Tell that (1+ / 0-)
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      Brian A

      To the NY Senate and the Montana Senate.  Worked there in the way the author suggests.  See above, I think it would work in reverse here where we help nominate an absolute idiot who can't keep their mouth shut and let the American people know the real agenda of the Republican party.  Since we got rid of Joe Walsh and AllenWest, I think the nomination of Michelle Bachman above is brilliant.

  •  Ain't gonna happen... but fun to think about (2+ / 0-)
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    particularly given King is from NY where similar shenanigans have gone on in the State Senate as you point out.

    King is the senior member (by far) of the NY delegation. If he could deliver those 6 votes and along with Christie bring the NJ delegation, another 6 votes, then you are 2/3's of the way there with 12 of the 17 needed.

    Peter King is batshit crazy and I would not want him as Speaker of the House but if we could kneecap the Republicans that would be awesome sauce.

    Not sure where you'd get the next 5 Republicans. Those pickings are slim.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:42:19 AM PST

    •  Four of them from Florida (3+ / 0-)
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      Young's a relative moderate, the two Miami Cubans care mostly about Cuba (and have ties to NY and to hurricane relief), and Vern Buchanan can be bought if power is dangled in front of him.  Then Fortenberry, Miller -- lots of possibilities!

      I just don't want to send Pelosi out there to be a sure thing voted down.  That's boring and unproductive.  I'd even favor nominating Joe Heck of Nevada, or some other back-bencher, just to poison his political future.

      Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:59:05 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Maybe get a few (4+ / 0-)

      from Eastern PA. That state also took a heavy hit from Sandy with MUCH less publicity on the national news. Not so much from wind and tide obviously, but from huge amounts of rain as the system moved in and then stalled most of a day over the eastern mountains.

      As you say, it would just take a few more added to the NY and NJ GOPers.

      1) It would be worth an entire silo of popcorn to hear the howling from BOTH the Boehner/corporatist/Wall Street wing of the House GOP AND the Tea Party/Libertarian/freakomaniac wing as they squirm and spit impotently as King gets the Gavel. But in politics you MUST have the votes, and they would not, either individually or collectively.

      2) How long would King last? Is there a mechanism under the House rules for unseating a Speaker? In parliamentary systems you have something like a "Vote of No Confidence", which usually leads to fresh elections but sometimes means a change of leaders (eg. on May 10, 1940, the Tories push aside Chamberlain in favor of Churchill.)
           Could he lose the gavel? Or would we have to have him for an entire, 2-year Congress?

      Great thought though!

      Shalom.

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:38:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think that unseating the Speaker requires (4+ / 0-)

        a majority vote of the House.  Speaker is NOT a partisan position; it's a position chosen by the entire body.  That's what makes this possible at all!

        Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
        -- Saul Alinsky

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:32:27 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  And if I had to pick someone (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Seneca Doane, pdx kirk

    it would be Richard Hanna of NY. He's actually fairly moderate and reasonable for a Republican.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:45:58 AM PST

    •  I agree -- but I think he'd be less likely (0+ / 0-)

      to get 17 GOP votes.  I'd prefer Walter Jones if I had my druthers.

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      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:01:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I think it is worthwhile. Voting for King would (5+ / 0-)

    carry a regional block and combine that with the Democrats and suddenly you have a very different house of representatives.

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:47:48 AM PST

  •  anotherdemocrat is in your poll? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Seneca Doane, pdx kirk

    Didn't know she was running!

    I apologize. I just can't help myself today with all of the silliness going on around here and elsewhere lately.

  •  First, you need to replace your brain with dirt. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Seneca Doane, pdx kirk

    This is mandatory. Rational thought is forbidden when trying to relate to the Republican irrationality.

    [Bzzz, bzzz, bzzz, scoop, scoop, scoop, dig, dig, dig, shovel, shovel, shovel, stuff, stuff, stuff..... derr... awl dun... durt fer braynz]

    All dat cogitatin' ya done wit yer brayns an stuff ain't wurth spit! Ya fergott ya gotta cogitate wit yer durt hedd furst.

    An heer's da annserr!

    Speaker Stephen T. Colbert, MFA!

    Anybody can be elected Speaker of the House, I think. Doesn't much matter, though. Republicans aren't into knowing the rules or bothering to behave predictably. As they said, Obama didn't win any election at all. They still have the most crazies in the House. So they won. Got it?

    And the Republican Morans™ Representatives who will be knighted raptured sworn in on Thursday in the 113th Congress just need to be reminded that Steven T. Colbert will do whatever they want. I'm sure that The President of SC newly appointed SC Senator Stephen Colbert is willing to make up whatever they need to hear to manipulate them into electing him Speaker. If necessary, he might even go so far as to let some of them fondle his lovely Precious if he really wants to hit the center of their targeted trajectory. (gun-talk is always a plus).

    Extra bonus: He's from the South!

    Spread the word!

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:53:03 PM PST

  •  and this just in on the subject from RW Hot Air... (1+ / 0-)
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    GrumpyOldGeek

    ....

    http://hotair.com/...

    Sez they got 20 R reps set to block Boehner!!

    .....it's on the table, under the watermelon she demurred. Thanks, I was planning on shaving anyway he replied.

    by pdx kirk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:57:14 PM PST

  •  I see the key in the internal Civil War in R-ville (4+ / 0-)

    The establishment knows they have a monster on their hands. The Ron Paul Libertarians have been open about their intent to 'reform' the party from the inside. The Tea Party wants an outright takeover. The weak spot is that if the establishment R's don't DO anything to create a change. Since they can't make the T's and L's happy, they can't govern. They can only block the WH and fight internally. If they do nothing to change the dynamic they risk mounting public derision and continued TP primary challenges.

    Their options are few. Brokering the speakership with Dems is available to them if they decide they can ride out the next few cycles as a minority while they  re brand themselves as the new 'kinder gentler' R's.

    If this happens we need to take advantage. Set the stage for pulling the Overton window back in baby steps any chance we can.

    .....it's on the table, under the watermelon she demurred. Thanks, I was planning on shaving anyway he replied.

    by pdx kirk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:15:14 PM PST

  •  Boehner says they're makin' shit up. (5+ / 0-)

    (30 minutes ago)

    Talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn’t "too soon." It’s much too late.
    ~~ Ezra Klein

    by smileycreek on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 02:00:41 PM PST

  •  Vote for Greg Walden (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Seneca Doane, pdx kirk, FarWestGirl

    The lone R  Cong. from Oregon.  He's been getting re-elected but could be interested in improving his survival odds.

    5th ranking R in the House leadership.

    not totally excretable.  15th most liberal R, according to Heritage Action.

    It could also knock him out from a Senate run someday.

  •  Unless the speaker is a Dem, fuck the House nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      That's why I say the Dems join up with the Tea Party and elect an absolute nut as Speaker who will rant and rave and further destroy the Republican Party over the next two years.

    •  How does "fuck the House" work exactly? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      HeyMikey

      Without the House, little gets done except by Executive fiat.

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      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:49:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I just Think you have it backwards (0+ / 0-)

    None of these people is a moderate.  Good Lord, Chris Smith is the most anti-choice member of the House and has been so for years.

    As long as we are going to get a nut, no matter what, I say we help a real nut get elected, and we have a chance at this.

    The tea party is mad and Boehner.  Let's nominate one of them and let him or her go off for the next two years and damage the Republican Party even more.  It's not going to make one bit of difference in what gets done in Congress (i.e. nothing) over the next two years, so let's do a Clair McCaskill on them.  Worked for her will work for us.  And, it has the possibility of working because the foaming at the mouth members of the caucus might just go for it.

    •  Did I call any of them moderate (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      HeyMikey

      (with the possible exception of Walter Jones)?  No, I called them "less extreme."  That's according to National Journal rankings.

      If you vote for the Speaker, you're responsible for what the Speaker does.

      Plaintiffs' Employment Law Attorney (harassment, discrimination, retaliation, whistleblowing, wage & hour, &c.) in North Orange County, CA.

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."
      -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 04:18:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I love this idea. I think. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Seneca Doane

    As they say in the bad movies, it's so crazy it might work.

    So what if it ends up a train wreck? The House is a train wreck already. It can't get worse, and it might get better. I say go for it, Dems.

    Major kudos to Seneca Doane for creativity.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:12:35 PM PST

  •  Sandy $vote adds fuel to your idea; King/Capito... (0+ / 0-)

    But King's public threats to the Republican's fundraising probably makes him harder to elect than other candidates, and focusing on a sane person would be much easier to predict that person's ongoing motivations, and thus to negotiate and implement the necessary deals.

    Re: your comment:

    Capito -- like most reps from red states -- voted against the bill; that probably disqualifies her, but not absolutely.
    For the purpose of getting Republican votes, Capito (or another candidate) having voted against the Biden McConnell Fiscal Bluff bill might actually be a qualification,

    But I agree that those who voted for it have the advantage of having already broken with Tea Party purity, giving them an incentive to transition all the way to a different electoral strategy.

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