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The link is to an op/ed piece written by a former FBI agent, titled "What I learned at the Red Lake School Shooting."  It's an interesting piece with some ideas I disliked and others I liked a lot. His piece seems to have mostly riled up the gun nuts (at least looking at the comments section).  Thought more people should see it.

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  •  Goes to show that even LEOs get things wrong: (13+ / 0-)
    You can buy a pistol (the FN-Hertsal FiveSeven) that fires a cartridge designed for military use only, intended to penetrate helmets and body armor. A perfect terrorist's or mass killer's tool, it holds 23 rounds in its magazine and is manufactured in Belgium -- which, of course, does not allow its own citizens to possess it.
    Civilians can't buy the armor piercing ammo.
    To this day I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would want to own, much less carry, a weapon with a magazine holding 15 rounds and more. If you need to do that, join the Armed Forces.
    And my firearm instructor (SWAT, Chicago) carries a multiple magazines in his plain clothes and would rather have his rifle (in plain clothes). Opinions vary...

    Anyone else think of Rumsfeld here?

    But unfortunately, right now, even as you are reading this essay, at least several people in this country are plotting new attacks. They may or may not have already assembled their guns, or picked out the person they will kill to get them. They may have decided on and researched their target.

    We don't know who they are.

    We don't know when. We don't know where. But at some point, something bad is going to happen.

    Here's an interesting point:

    Unpopular as Wayne LaPierre of the NRA is today -- and regardless of how much I disagree with him on many issues -- on one point, he is right: The only way to stop these terrorists is a trained officer with a gun. Had Derrick Brun had a gun, chances are the shooter would have not made it into Red Lake High School alive.
    And for those who say "no armed people in school!" I'd like to point to those celebrity (or political) children who go to schools with armed guards.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 01:03:35 PM PST

  •  Mostly agree... (2+ / 0-)
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    oldpunk, JayFromPA

    Although I do find it distasteful to equate playing "Halo" with watching snuff films.

  •  It's a good piece, worth reading and understanding (1+ / 0-)
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    gunnarthor

    There is room for quibbles.

    Flashlights and laser sights do reek of macho posturing but if there's a situation that justifies deploying a gun, they increase safety by reducing the chance of shooting the innocent.

    It's a notorious fact among police trainers that it frequently takes multiple shots to bring down an attacker. If a pickup dragging a chain pulls up alongside you and four thugs jump out and say "Hey, q__, we're gonna f___ you up!", six rounds is not a generous allowance if they don't run away when you pull your gun. Ditto when the lynch mob comes to your house.

    Gun periodicals are replete with stories of people running out of ammunition, but of course the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", and those periodicals exist to create sales for their advertisers.

    Those are quibbles. His points are well taken, and the product of experience and thought.

  •  Goodbye to the fourth amendment in there... (4+ / 0-)
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    Tom Seaview, ER Doc, PavePusher, gerrilea

    That bit about tracking past checks and cross checking with incident reports reeks of an active tracking database file on every human that can be identified.

    Not just adults, because troubled children sometimes become troubled adults. Not just citizens, as we have permanent residents and adult students on education visas that may purchase for self defense.

    So, be aware that the database would have to cover every human that exists within our borders.

    Furthermore, this database that would cover all humans are in the usa / have ever been in the usa / have identified themselves as wanting to enter the usa... This database would have to have quite a large range:

    It may not seem like much at first: a self-isolated young male researching the Aurora massacre, ordering military surplus vests and large-capacity magazines, visiting gun sites, playing "Halo" and "Call to Duty," ordering "Elephant." But a knock on his door and the questioning it produces might avert another Sandy Hook.
    That right there is complete tracking of all internet activity, because that's the only way to achieve knowledge of what computers are being used to research Aurora.
    That right there is also complete tracking of all purchases, because that's the only way you are going to achieve knowledge of who ordered whatever 'elephant' is.
    That right there is also complete monitoring of all computer activity, because that's the only way you are going to achieve knowledge of someone playing Halo.

    They watch you to see what you look at on the internet. They check your banking records to see what you buy. They turn on your webcam to see who is playing Halo.

    That right there, what he describes, is the complete secret police package.

    It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink.

    by JayFromPA on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:46:02 PM PST

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