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I am so sick of reading about how the unemployed were saved by this latest political Grand Stunt. Let me just point out a few facts for those who seemed to need this framing in order to apparently sleep better at night.

1. There are over 12 (TWELVE) million unemployed Fellow Americans (At Least, that We are Willing to Admit to).

2. 5.4 (FIVE POINT FOUR) million of them actually GET unemployment insurance. TOTAL. The Majority of the unemployed Do Not Collect Unemployment, they Did Not get helped by this deal.

3. There are 8.2 (EIGHT POINT TWO) million Fellow Americans who work part time, but need full time work. They Did Not get helped either.

4. 2.5 (TWO POINT FIVE) million Americans who are No Longer Counted as unemployed because even though they had been looking for work in the past for 12 months, they had not in the last 4 weeks, which many Grand Bargaineers will argue means they got a job. In actuality it means that about 1.5 million were in school or had family obligations in the last 4 weeks, the other just under 1 million Gave Up Looking.

(all of the above is per the BLS website)

So the next time you want to throw the "saved" the "Unemployed" theory out there just remember you are attempting to throw 7 million people under the bus. The MAJORITY of the unemployed were not saved, were not even recognized in this agreement.

Jobs are the ONLY way to bring in the revenue, and reduce the number of people needing to get assistance. If any of us wants to entertain the idea of getting a tax break (I won't get into the concept of actually "deserving" one), we need more people WORKING. Rich people need this more than the rest of us!!! Giving the wealthy the legal cover to hoard more money will not work, it has not worked, and they have been the ones to prove it.

If we are not willing to state that Job Creation By The Government as a clear simple goal, and point of rock solid agreement between ourselves, we cannot expect that the wealthy class that is over-represented in the highest elective offices and courts to do it for us, for unlike us they will never vote or rule against their own interests, and will not cheer or agree when others do it in their name.

Originally posted to Miss my village on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:20 AM PST.

Also republished by Unemployment Chronicles.

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  •  For the two million who still (30+ / 0-)

    receive benefits it mattered.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:24:31 AM PST

    •  In the long term (15+ / 0-)

      the destruction of decent employment prospects and any sort of Keynesian economics will hurt a lot more.

      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:27:48 AM PST

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      •  For you almost certainly (18+ / 0-)

        For those unemployed who have benefitted from the extension, it's a big deal.

        Y'know, I can live with an argument that the overall losses in the bill outweighed the benefits...I was neutral to opposed to the bill.  But to argue that the extension of unemployment benefits isn't that important...that just seems more than a bit cruel, more than a bit crass.

        The unemployed are not pawns in your war...they are people...and many were helped by this bill.  That is a good thing, without doubt....even if you don't think it is enough to justify the entire bill.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:40:44 AM PST

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        •  And you know I'm not unemployed myself (5+ / 0-)

          because? I resent the suggestion that I think anyone is a "pawn in my war" and the assumption that I'm employed and doing just great. Yes, an extension of benefits is, in and of itself, good. But people's benefits end all the time if their state's official unemployment rate drops below a certain point. Many people affected by the extension will be caught in this trap. On balance, I do not think it is enough to justify the bill.

          Pushing for actual economic growth will, by promoting employment, help many of the unemployed in the short- and long-term, and improve the fiscal situation. As it is we keep people out of work and kick the can down the road a bit, reducing the size of the federal budget every single time. Would you be OK with another trillion in cuts in exchange for getting another temporary UI extension?

          Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:04:36 PM PST

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          •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)
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            fenway49

            Just realized I responded to you rather than the diarist...this comment makes no sense in light of you comment.

            "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

            by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:09:52 PM PST

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            •  Well, a little (2+ / 0-)
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              in that I think the diarist has a point. You, and the person I was responding to, have a point too. Expiration of UI would be a problem for many people individually and for demand overall. That's what makes this hostage-taking so damn frustrating. But we can't let it go on forever and ever expect to move this country forward.

              Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

              by fenway49 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:19:27 PM PST

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              •  All I can say, is this diary seems a little (3+ / 0-)
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                fenway49, hillbrook green, TomP

                To eager to claim that no benefit occurred.  I can accept that this is insufficient, that too many are getting nothing...but there seems no recognition in the diary that many have been helped...that many have been saved...just not nearly enough.

                "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

                by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:23:43 PM PST

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                •  I think the diarist (2+ / 0-)
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                  Jarrayy, blueoasis

                  might be reacting, in frustration, to the oft-seen assertion on DK that the deal is unassailable because of the UI extension, and that anyone who doesn't like the deal is callous toward those receiving UI. I get that frustration.

                  Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                  by fenway49 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:30:04 PM PST

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                  •  You know, that comment is just wrong. (3+ / 0-)
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                    sewaneepat, TheLizardKing, edrie

                    Nobody is saying that the deal is perfect.

                    IT'S A DEAL!

                    IT GOT SOMETHING DONE!

                    That is the way that life works. You put your shoulder to the grindstone and you move it up the hill a few inches.

                    The damn thing is NOT going to roll uphill on its own.

                    And the more people that are sitting around on the hill, obstructing everybody else with their visions of purity and light, the longer it is going to take.

                    If people want to tell someone about the plight of the poor and the homeless, they should start talking to all those selfish asshole Republicans - they are the ones who don't care.

                    Everybody here knows that things are not perfect and never will be perfect. We're just trying to do all we can to get as close to perfection as possible. It's not easy, especially when people are standing around deriding every positive thing that happens.

                    There are only two types of Republicans: 1) racists; and 2) people who are willing to be associated with racists.

                    by hillbrook green on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:42:09 PM PST

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                    •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't follow. We were discussing the impression that the diarist thinks nothing good was accomplished, and I said that the diarist might just be tired of hearing that anyone who has a beef with the deal wants people on UI to suffer. I never said the deal was perfect or that it was all bad.

                      But your comment assumes, without establishing, that this deal is a "positive thing." I think there are many positive aspects of the deal, and some negative. Not negative in the sense of "I didn't get every single thing I wanted." Negative in the sense of dramatically reducing the likelihood the government will have, going forward, sufficient revenues to do anything progressive.

                      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                      by fenway49 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:46:49 AM PST

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        •  what about the MAJORITY of the unemployed? (4+ / 0-)

          y'know, the pawns already knocked off the board? They exist, whether you or the government wants to look at the corpses of what was once were people who counted. Give it 6 months, and a good number of your chosen people WONT BE GETTING A CHECK EITHER. What is the fucking plan you have for them in 6 months? When would be a good time to stand up and say no more BS, given that it will takes weeks if not months for a jobs program to be implemented? Thought so.....

          •  Well, maybe if people weren't so busy (5+ / 0-)

            calling every positive step a big pile of shit, we could continue the momentum of the last election (gains in both House and Senate) and actually get a working "majority" in both House and Senate (takes 60 there).

            Do you seriously believe that if the Dems controlled both House and Senate that there would not have been a more concerted effort at stimulating the economy and taking better care of the poor and homeless??

            Really??

            Because you're talking to a lot of Democrats on this site.

            No one here thinks the Democratic Party is perfect, but we are all trying to work towards making it better all the time.

            If you don't want the Democratic Party to be better, please get out of the way. You're obstructing the forward movement. It may be too slow for you, but at least we're moving instead of sitting in the middle of the road and crying because things aren't perfect.

            There are only two types of Republicans: 1) racists; and 2) people who are willing to be associated with racists.

            by hillbrook green on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:33:36 PM PST

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            •  The privatizing conservadems that run the Party (5+ / 0-)

              are doing what exactly to make the Democratic party better?

              Rahm, Bowels, Clinton, and, good man that he is, Obama are the reason there is no party in America that puts the needs of most Americans above the bloated desires and greed of monied interests.

              If you think the long road from FDR to Clinton was a good trip for the Democratic Party than you had a way different view from the bus than I did.

              •  They "run" the party (2+ / 0-)
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                because people let them "run" the party.

                And personally, I disagree with your assertion. The people you are referring to didn't want Obama as President. They wanted Hillary Clinton, Rahm doesn't work in the White House any more. He works in that cesspool of politics called Chicago.

                Let's see: Medicare, Medicaid, Civil Rights legislation, the REPEAL of DADT, public and forceful Presidential support for Gay Marriage... just to name a few.

                Yeah, you're right. It's been all downhill from FDR.

                Steady downhill. Nothing to see here. Move along.

                Absolutely nothing has gotten better since FDR?

                I was born 4 years after FDR died. I remember seeing "Whites Only!" signs on the water fountains.

                Things are not perfect. Nobody is saying they are.

                And, by the way, the Democratic Party of Woodrow Wilson was staunchly racist to the point of President WW taking pride in telling racist jokes at White House functions.

                So yeah, I think, overall, that the arc of the Democratic Party is a HELL of a lot better than the arc of the party founded by Abe Lincoln....

                There are only two types of Republicans: 1) racists; and 2) people who are willing to be associated with racists.

                by hillbrook green on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:01:21 PM PST

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                •  Medicare, Medicaid, Civil Rights Legislation are (1+ / 0-)
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                  Jarrayy

                  all under assault. The repeal of DADT was, like Civil Rights, earned by years of effort by the group discriminated against. Although I believe both presidents supported the movements whole heartedly and got in front of the parades when they thought they could do the most good.

                  When President Obama finally gave voice to his support for Gay Rights look at how it changed the battle. So why can't he loudly support strengthening SS for the people who receive the benefits instead of the Pete Petersons' who want to play with the money on Wall St? Why include even more tax incentives for Wall St banks to offshore money and jobs in this latest bargain?

                  Yes, great social advances have been made for Americans thanks to the citizens affected and the Democratic Party which has again and again in the last 80 years championed social justice. But no major redesign or adjustment to America's economy since the 1960s has put working and middle class needs before the desire and greed of the monied elite. And I worry that ACA will be used as a vehicle to privatize Medicare and Medicaid rather moving us to a single payer system that will lower healthcare costs. The Democratic party leadership has abandoned the economic interests of the 98%.  FDR said that he didn't know who he was going to appoint to his cabinet, but he did know that not one of them would know how to get to Wall St. Clinton and Obama don't even require that the Goldman Sachs bandits they hire give up their day jobs. (I exaggerate to clarify) But they come from and go back to the St. don't they?

                  And I agree that the arc of the Ds is much better than the arc of the Rs but both parties ended up on Wall St, and Wall  St and the money crowd are not in the 'How are the citizens doing business'.

        •  So as long as we can help 20% of the unemployed (1+ / 0-)
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          we can never push for a better economics for the majority of Americans?

          Mind you, I admit that if I were unemployed and barely covering my bills I sure as hell would want the extension. I have needed benefits and couldn't find work a time or two, and even without a family to support the prospect of everything you have worked for, housing, transportation, education, savings going down the tubes because you need a few months of unemployment is brutal. So thats why the Democrats should be negotiating for an automatic extension of benefits if unemployment is above 5%. If the repugs can't grab the unemployed they can't hold them hostage.

          Since the capture of the Democratic Party leadership by Wall St Dems, there has been no push for any major economic policy that puts average Americans before the monied interests. A bandaid here, a bandaid there, but every major redesign of the economy has favored finance over working citizens for more than 30 years.

          And the lurking fear many of us have that Obama will hand over SS and even Medicare to Wall St is ever present. Has been present since the Clinton administration. FDRs great legacy had to be saved by a blow job in 90s. Mr.Obama may be a conservadem but he is not a sexual libertine. We have to count on ourselves, not Monica, to save the program from these Wall St Dems.

    •  it still takes balls (0+ / 0-)

      to tell a recently unemployed person, who never got benefits, and who opposed the deal, that he doesn't care about the unemployed.

      In politics, there is the class war. Everything else is naming post offices.

      by happymisanthropy on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:52:42 AM PST

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      •  I do not understand why you replied (1+ / 0-)
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        TheLizardKing

        to my comment with this.  Myabe you meant to reply to someone else.  I said nothing to anyone about not caring about the unemployed.  

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        by TomP on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:53:37 PM PST

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  •  I tend to look at it the other way (13+ / 0-)

    having thrown 7 million under the bus, we have temporarily kept 5 million more from being thrown under the bus.

    If we took the stance that until a good jobs bill came out of Congress, we weren't dealing,  I think all 12 million would be under the bus.

  •  so the deal saved 5.4 million unemployed (13+ / 0-)

    ...people from losing their benefits, which is obviously better than the alternative.

    i hear you, but the deal did in fact extend unemployment benfits for those who are receiving them.

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

    by humanistique on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:29:00 AM PST

  •  Look..... (14+ / 0-)

    House Republicans said you can have one of three:  either extension of unemployment benefits, extension of child care tax credits or student aid for another 5 years.....but not all three.  We'll give you one of the three in order to have our vote for the fiscal cliff bill.

    We got all three.

    If you are in one of those groups, it was a good deal.  A very good deal, & it mattered to them.

  •  Retailers report (6+ / 0-)

    a dismal Xmas shopping season.  It was apparently as bad as the Xmas 2008 season which was really bad.

    People should look to those types of figures rather than unemployment "statistics" to get the real sense of the economy.  It's horrible, absolutely dismal with no improvement in sight.

    •  well (1+ / 0-)
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      TracieLynn

      as long as we're only talking about tinkering around the edges of the problem, it's unlikely to get better.

      In politics, there is the class war. Everything else is naming post offices.

      by happymisanthropy on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:54:49 AM PST

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    •  Oh Please (4+ / 0-)

      Yes, the economy is so horrible! Over 200,000 private sector jobs created - in December. Housing and construction improving.

      Oh, and the Big 3 saw auto sales up about 10% in December - does that mean nothing? All 3 bullish on 2013 sales as well.

      No, there was nothing "dismal" - retail sales grew .7%.  Yes, slower than the 3% expected, but look at the effect of Sandy, which is expected to account for 1 point of lost growth, and the whole fiscal cliff crap certainly put a damper on things. These are both temporary effects, and do not in any way give a good sense of the economy.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:01:53 PM PST

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  •  Yes, we need good jobs. (11+ / 0-)

    I'm glad the UI benefits will continue but we also need to increase the number of good jobs.

    The next couple of elections could be a rout for the Dems if they don't get the economy moving. The polls are starting to show that the public does not see the country headed in the right direction. They typically hold the party in power accountable with that metric.

    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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      They typically hold the party in power accountable with that metric.
      Doubly so after an eight year administration - there will be no mercy.
    •  Bandaid solutions (4+ / 0-)
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      are what we got in the agreement because everyone (from the President on down) in Washington does not have the courage to provide real solutions.  They prefer to talk about tax breaks, cuts to the social safety net, and austerity.  All of these plus a lack of good paying jobs will further contribute to the debt issue because our tax revenues continue to shrink.  

      Now the President and Congress are right back talking about debt reduction, not a stimulus for job creation.  The result of not addressing the jobs issue will be that our country will continue to go downhill and more of our middle class will fall into poverty.  The fact that no one is proposing a jobs bill, such as a massive public works program that would not only create good paying jobs, but also would repair and modernize our crumbling infrastructure, speaks volumes of what is wrong in Washington.

      How many jobs bills (not tax breaks, but real jobs bills) came out of the last Congress?  Zero, nada, zilch.

      "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

      by gulfgal98 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:03:00 PM PST

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      •  The President has been trying to push jobs (6+ / 0-)

        bills, including infrastructure, government, etc.

        As you noted, Republicans have disabled most attempts to create jobs under a Democratic Administration.  They even stated that thwarting his "agenda" (including job creation and growth) was entirely for their benefit in future election cycles.

        So, it's not been for lack of trying on our part, entirely.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:10:22 PM PST

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      •  There's been at least one jobs bill (4+ / 0-)

        passed by the Senate and sitting waiting for Boehner to bring it to the floor of the House for over a year.
        Democrats in the House have brought bills to the floor over and over again and Boehner has refused to allow a vote on them.
        Not much we can do when the Republicans are in charge of the purse strings.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:45:14 PM PST

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  •  The "Investor Class" (0+ / 0-)

    ..would veto a real jobs program in a hot minute.

    T & Rd

    Poor people have too much money and vote too often. Republican platform plank, 1980 - present

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:52:16 AM PST

  •  Well, apparently it's better to do nothing (7+ / 0-)

    than to do something.

    Because if you don't get everything, I guess it's the same as getting nothing.

    Excellent argument!

    Nobody is forgetting about the misery of the unemployed. What makes you think that the plight of the poor and homeless is your concern alone?

    You are forgetting that approximately 47% of the country (those who voted for Romney) would rather see all the unemployed people starve than toss a farthing of their precious money at them.

    Under those conditions, you do the best you can.

    Unless, of course, you are a purist. Then you shout to the heavens how imperfect everyone else is and how pure you are. I'm impressed with your purity. Feel better?

    And I really appreciate your opinion that anything short of perfection is worthless bullshit.

    There are only two types of Republicans: 1) racists; and 2) people who are willing to be associated with racists.

    by hillbrook green on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 11:53:32 AM PST

    •  Well but if you 'try' and fail it's better than (1+ / 0-)
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      winning.

      Principle before Party! Recession 2013!!

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:01:17 PM PST

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    •  Im not looking for perfection (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm tired of people wanting to take credit for failing slower. We KNOW what not having a job creation plan is, we've been doing it along time. Not even republicans will argue that more jobs are bad, they just claim that rich people not paying taxes gets us there, it doesn't.

      If our president made job creation his number one priority, emphasized that the increased revenue would help the fiscal issues of the government, and state and local governments, reduce the need for austerity measures, strengthen programs for the needy, AND FUCKING STOOD FOR IT, republicans would not have much of an argument, because a lot of people back home would need those jobs too. I guess you and I differ mostly that this was the best that our side could do, both in the things worth fighting for and the fight itself.

      Maybe because I am already at the bottom, there is not built in fear of what can I lose. Its already gone. My American dream shattered. Bailing 1/2 gallon of water out of a boat taking on a gallon per bail doesn't really keep us afloat now does it? Just saying it as someone under the waterline already....

      •  I was going to heap (1+ / 0-)
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        a little more on you, but instead let me just try to convince you that we are all in this together. The people on this site, the progressives, the liberals, and even the "other side" (only they are trying desperately to think they are somehow different) - we're all in this together.

        We are all in this together.

        Now we can stand around in the boat and wait to sink, or we can use that 1/2 gallon bucket and try to keep ourselves afloat until we can fix the hole.

        Everybody would like to have a one-gallon or even a two-gallon bucket, but there doesn't seem to be one around right now.

        Everybody here understands the plight of those in the deepest water. But nobody, not even President Obama, has a magic wand to make everything better immediately.

        This is known as the human condition. It's been this way since I was born over 63 years ago. Judging from the history books I've read, this has been the human condition since people were capable of writing down their thoughts. Despite what it seems like, I can assure you that, all in all, things are better right now than they have ever been - certainly better than during WWII or WWI or the Great Depression or the 1950's or anytime since then.

        Now, there exists the possibility that people EVERYWHERE can communicate directly with each other. This is real power. Now I can communicate my thoughts directly, at very little cost, to the people who are "in charge". More importantly, though, I can communicate directly with people who in some way or another agree with me. We can work in concert to turn things around to our way of thinking.

        This capability has never existed before. This is the true revolution.

        Now we can use this power (and believe me, it is VERY powerful) to work together and begin to change our lives for the better. It will be slow, as a matter of fact, PAINFULLY slow.

        But now it can be done. Twenty five years ago, I couldn't get to a site like this and communicate with hundreds of thousands of people - hell this type of site wasn't even here 10 years ago.

        Or, we can use this power to sit around and complain about how things are not perfect. We can spend endless hours talking about how long it is taking to effect change. We can complain that each of us knows best how things ought to be done and how that guy in charge ought to be using that magic wand that we just know he has hidden somewhere. We can post and muse for hours about how far we are from perfection. We can complain about what we don't have and wish for something different.

        Either way, it's going to be a long hard slog. There are no easy solutions. It's going to take hard work.

        The choice is yours.

        There are only two types of Republicans: 1) racists; and 2) people who are willing to be associated with racists.

        by hillbrook green on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:32:42 PM PST

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  •  how long can all those "saved" people go on? (6+ / 0-)

    How much longer will they count? Todays UI recipient is next months, or 3 or 6 months, or a years "no longer worth counting" shlub.

    YES the MAJORITY of the unemployed DIDNT GET SHIT. NO we are not doing SHIT to get more jobs going, which in turn depresses our country even further. We are not going to get our economy moving because a minority of the unemployed still get a check for a limited amount of time.

  •  I'm not sure who said it saved all unemployed (4+ / 0-)

    but it did guarantee a year-long extension of the UI benefits for those eligible.

    Principle before Party! Recession 2013!!

    by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:00:37 PM PST

  •  Those that get this insurance got a reprieve. (3+ / 0-)

    That is important.

    So, while there is a bigger problem to be addressed, let's not forget that before you can walk 12 miles, you still have to walk the first mile.

    More steps are coming...not at a run, or even a sprint, but at least there are steps to look forward to.

    -6.38, -6.21: Lamented and assured to the lights and towns below, Faster than the speed of sound, Faster than we thought we'd go, Beneath the sound of hope...

    by Vayle on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:01:53 PM PST

  •  The painfully slow economic recovery got saved (4+ / 0-)

    from more gop obstructionism.
    The production credits for wind were saved. That will put more people to work.
    The best think that may have happened is that a small seam may have been opened up in the gop's solid wall of obstruction, hopefully that seam can be levered open much wider, and with the Sandy recovery act coming up, there will be some stimulus getting out there.
    We're getting back to talking more about the "long-term" deficit and more about what needs to be done right now to help people.
    The deficit hawks have been desperate to try and bust SS and Medicare/Medicaid now while the recession was putting such a strain on things.

    As the recovery proceeds, they'll see their opportunity vanish if we can hold out a while longer.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:02:45 PM PST

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      referred to as an economic recovery of
      any sort... slow, tortuous, gradual or otherwise...if a Republican were sitting in the Oval Office.

      Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 12:16:32 PM PST

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      •  I'm afraid what we would have had might have been (0+ / 0-)

        another fictitious "bubble" that even more quickly delivered us into the next Great Depression, from which we might have never recovered.
        We're dangerously close to a global food calamity, which could come about with another collapse.

        The alternative could have been that we just dived into idiot austerity, and just went directly from Great Recession I to Great Depression II.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 03:23:52 PM PST

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    I'm happy and relieved that that the benefits were extended for those receiving them. Had they not been extended, the results would have been dire.

    But it's good to remind us that this is just PART of the total unemployment and underemployment picture.

  •  Somehow the issue of jobs has been lost. (1+ / 0-)
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    I am not at all sure that resolving the phony fiscal crisis will produce the jobs we need in the short time they are needed.

    We are still operating under Clintonomics. I remain skeptical that pretty budgets produce jobs. In fact, without some artificial prop such as the Dot.Com bubble and/or real estate bubble, I'm not sure we can produce the jobs that we need.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 01:34:22 PM PST

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