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So they did the deal; a deal we couldn't afford. And for the past few days they have been talking about all the good things in the deal.  But there's a lot in this bill that they aren't telling us about this bill.

Look I understand that Obama is a lawyer not a leader.  Lawyers are trained to negotiate towards a resolution.  That's what he does.  But the devil is always in the details.

Did you know that the deal also ushered in an additional $205 billion in wasteful corporate tax favors? New racetracks will get tens of millions, Goldman Sachs gets $1.6 billion in tax-free financing for its new massive headquarters, banks get a $9 billion dollar loophole for offshore financing, and U.S. multinationals are allowed to dodge taxes on income earned by foreign subsidiaries – giving them all the more reason to move jobs offshore.

Did you know that taking care of ill family members at home was dealt a set-back with a provision in the Affordable Care Act designed to let millions of elderly and disabled people get help at home rather than be placed in institutional care being repealed?

Probably not, because no one is talking about these parts of the bill.

That's what happens when you make a deal with the devil.  Everyone talks about Obama winning by raising taxes on the rich.  I would say that the Republicans won because they made the Bush tax cuts permanent for 98% of the country.  These are tax cuts we cannot afford.

The POTUS would have been better off extending the Bush tax cuts for another year in exchange for control over the debt ceiling.

Now going into the next 90 days, Obama says he won't negotiate over the debt limit.  We have no reason to believe that.  He always negotiates at the last minute just like a lawyer.  He doesn't understand that sometimes no bill is better than a bad bill.

This is a serious concern going into the next 90 days.  We know that he had put cuts in Social Security up for negotiation during the fiscal cliff crises.  Thank god Boehner couldn't sell that deal.

My concern is what is he going to give up next?  He worked so hard to get health care reform but in doing so he gave up the public option and other promises he made in 2008.  In order to get this fiscal cliff deal he gives more to corporations but let the payroll tax holiday expire.  This is ridiculous when corporate taxes are lower today than in the past 60 years.  And none of these corporate gifts will do anything to create jobs.

The Democratic party needs to understand that the GOP does not want to reform anything.  They want to detroy everything where entitlements are concerned.  If they are smart, they will put out their plan to fix Social Security and Medicare, stand firm on it and use this issue to take back the house in 2014.  

Just as taxing the rich was an issue in 2012,  entitlements needs to be the issue in 2014.  If the Dems negotiate on entitlements, they will see a repeat of 2010 in 2014.  
The Democratic Party can take back control of Congress in 2014 but only if they stand strong in their policies.  

If they let Obama (who won't be running again) negotiate the farm on entitlements, the American people lose and so does the Dem party.

So let's spend the next two years talking about entitlements.  The reason the GOP wants to include entitlement cuts in their grand scheme is because they know they can't sell it to the American people.  George Bush tried and lost control of the Congress in the next election cycle.

In the meantime there are plenty of other areas they could look at.   Again, there was a fantastic slide show on HP yesterday.  Here is the link again for anyone interested.  

So in 60 days when the POTUS back is against the wall again, I hope the rest of the party will stand up for and do the right thing for the people and for the party.  Don't negotiate with the devil.  A bad bill is not better than no bill.  POTUS Obama is a lawyer, not a leader.   What next will he give away and not tell us the details?

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    penguins4peace, Sun Tzu

    Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

    by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:31:22 AM PST

  •  Ummm (0+ / 0-)

    you  do realize what  you linked to is the Defense Bill and not HR8

    Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

    by jsfox on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:41:51 AM PST

    •  slide show is at the bottom. (0+ / 0-)

      Who understands some people's logic?

      Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

      by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:44:39 AM PST

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      •  Hey Jack I went to your link (0+ / 0-)

        and what pops up  Obama signs Defense Bill. You never said the slide show was at the bottom of the page all you said here's the link. So don't snide with me  because you give poor direction.

        Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

        by jsfox on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:05:25 AM PST

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  •, you're wrong. He's the President and.... (0+ / 0-)

    you're just some schmuck on a keyboard.

    He is the leader; and a pretty damn good one too.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:44:36 AM PST

    •  I will disagree without calling you a name (2+ / 0-)
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      First of all, I don't understand why people have to disagree with each other by calling people names.  It's one of the things that is wrong with our political dialogue.

      I didn't call POTUS Obama a name.  I stated a fact.  He is a trained lawyer.  I know something about lawyers so I know what they are trained to do.  But Leader?  I haven't seen anything so far to give him that.  

      If the GOP had put up a decent candidate, Obama would not be POTUS right now.   But they didn't because they didn't have one.  So they gave us Romney which more people were afraid of than Obama.  

      What's the first thing he does?  Give us another bad bill. Give away more corporate welfare.  Allow the GOP to chip away at his so-called health care reform.  

      I see no reason to believe he won't give away the farm in the next 90 days just so he won't have to evoke the 14th Amendment.

      POTUS Clinton was a leader.  He stood up to the GOP and shut down the govt.  He found ways to work with Gingrich after the 1994 debacle.  

      Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

      by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 05:55:38 AM PST

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    •  I'm in too good of a mood to HR (0+ / 0-)

      But some might.

      Me, I'll just sit back and watch the pies fly.

      (Not happy about cuts to the "Community Health Insurance Option" in the ACA though. Now we know Obama was never serious about the public option.

      But hey, deal is done, on  to the next one.

      And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

      by Pale Jenova on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:11:19 AM PST

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      •  Medicare reform (1+ / 0-)
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        There should be no Medicare reform unless and  until it includes a public option.  The fiasco called state operated insurance agencies isn't going to work.   The GOP in 4 states have already said they won't do it.   They also won't support the Medicaid extensions.  
        Also, now that Lieberman is gone, they should revisit the conversation about letting people buy into Medicare and/or Medicaid.   Lieberman was the one who squashed that after it got through the house.
        They need more revenue.  They cannot cut the federal budget enough to pay off the debt without more revenue.  
        period end of conversation.  So instead of sitting around and arguing about cuts, they should just let the sequester happen and then let every department of the Executive branch cut the crap they don't really need or that doesn't really work, etc.  
        Congress should not be the one cutting the crap because Congress doesn't know or care.   But for instance, the DOD knows what they can live without and what they can't.  The DOE knows what they can live without and what they can't and so on.
        In fact if the GOP had a brain, they would let the sequester happen then they don't have to accept responsibility for any specific cuts.
        Also, I always hear Congress talk about taking personal responsibility but they never take personal responsibility for cutting their own personal crap.  

        Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

        by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:39:04 AM PST

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  •  You accuse him of being a sheep in sheep's clothes (1+ / 0-)
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    If Obama looks to Lincoln for inspiration, he well should heed his advice on dealing with the devil:

    "The true rule, in determining to embrace or reject any thing, is not whether it has any evil in it; but whether it has more of evil than of good. There are few things wholly evil or wholly good. Almost every thing ... is an inseparable compound of the two; so that our best judgment of the preponderance between them is continually demanded."

    "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

    by Kvetchnrelease on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:16:36 AM PST

    •  Lincoln understood (0+ / 0-)

      That's why we still consider him a great POTUS.

      I think it would have been better to go over the cliff and then do a reasonable deal.

      Although this bill sounds good, that's because they only want to talk about the good parts.  

      They don't talk about the bad parts because it would make people realize that the bill wasn't such a good bill after all.

      I don't think the american public would support some of the things in this bill.  But they don't even know about some of the stuff in the bill.  and never will in all likelyhood.

      We can't afford to make those tax cuts permanent.  And to reverse that is practically impossible unless the Dems get total control over the Congress.  The problem with that scenario is that then the Dems are seen as taxers and the GOP has a platform again.  

      The GOP doesn't have a platform these days except slash and destroy.   Oh, and a lot of big talk.

      Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

      by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:24:45 AM PST

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  •  How can you be serious (2+ / 0-)
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    about deficit reduction and then give Goldman Sachs 1.6 BILLION DOLLARS IN TAX FREE FINANCING????

    Don't talk to me about entitlement reform when you stick garbage like that in bills.   That does absolutely nothing to help the economy.  It helps Goldman Sachs.  It helps build a bigger deficit.  

    So don't talk to baby boomers about giving up squat on entitlements until you cut the crap from gov't spending.  Perhaps across the board cuts are for the best.   If that happens, then every department will be looking for serious crap to cut from their budget.

    It's garbage like this that pisses everyday people off.

    Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

    by pollchecker on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 06:35:46 AM PST

  •  At least we can dispense with the meme (0+ / 0-)

    of "If you don't support this deal then you just don't care about the unemployed!"

    That was one step away from "If you don't support XXX then you hate America and want the terrorists to win."

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:13:15 AM PST

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