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If you aren't alarmed about climate change you haven't been paying attention.   And if you've been paying attention you know that meat/livestock production is one of the greatest contributors to climate change(pdf) and rising greenhouse gas emissions.   You also know that by eliminating or drastically reducing meat consumption we can mitigate the worst effects of climate change.

So stands to reason that if we continue to screw up our planet so that it is uninhabitable for the majority of species who call Earth home; that if we are somehow given a second chance to prove that we are capable of nurturing our survival that we would learn my our mistakes.   One can only hope.  

From Grist: One man is planning to do that if given a second chance.

If you want to be in the first wave of Mars colonists, your best bet is to buddy up to Elon Musk — cofounder of PayPal, CEO of Tesla Motors, and all-around smartest guy in the room regardless of the room. He wants to start a space settlement in the next 10 years, and he’s inviting 80,000 colonists. “Buddying up” in this case means giving him $500,000 — that’s the cost of a ticket on this space ride — but apparently it also means giving up bacon. Because Musk has now said that only vegetarians will be allowed in his Martian paradise.

The plan is to make the Mars colony sustainable, which is a tall order for a city with a 140-million-mile commute. Musk plans for a pressurized greenhouse for farming, and a rocket that runs on liquid oxygen and methane. But he does not plan for a slaughterhouse, so meat-eaters can just stay home.

It’s not totally clear whether this is a self-righteousness thing, where Musk can’t abide being trapped in a dome with you if you have animal blood on your hands, or a more pragmatic “if you come you will have to quit eating meat because we cannot be bothered to grow a piglet” deal. RT.com reported that “Musk will only allow vegetarians to live in his settlement” but that’s fairly ambiguous. Either way, though, if you’ve got your heart set on colonizing Mars, you might as well quit eating meat now to get on Musk’s good side. Bonus: If enough of us do it, we’ll take down the industrial meat farming industry, and maybe buy ourselves a few more years before we have to flee the planet.

Of course, that last sentence say it all: "If enough of us do it, we’ll take down the industrial meat farming industry, and maybe buy ourselves a few more years before we have to flee the planet."

Originally posted to Meatless Advocates Meetup on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:04 AM PST.

Also republished by DK GreenRoots and Climate Change SOS.

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  •  If we set up a base, we'll have hydroponics (6+ / 0-)

    for the most part, which will mean a primarily vegetarian diet, but you can bet your sweet bippy that there will be a few cases of freeze dried bacon and some jerky sent up as well.

    I mean really.  The practicalities of shipping livestock through space dictate that any base set up will have to have a plant based diet.  

    Seeds travel.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:12:19 AM PST

  •  I will confess (1+ / 0-)
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    blueoregon

    I am a meat lover.  I did have a time when I went without same for about three years.  It was just something that came to me to do.  No religious reasons and no prompting from the non-meat eaters.

    Looks like I won't be headed for Mars.  Interesting reading though- thanks for posting!

    •  so you choose meat over Earth and humanity? (1+ / 0-)
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      marsanges

      wow, just wow

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:44:29 AM PST

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      •  You know, this kind of response (4+ / 0-)

        to polite meat-eating readers of your posts may not be the most effective form of persuasion. How about saying "Thanks for your interest - I really hope you'll get off that destructive meat habit someday soon!"?

        Babylon system is the vampire... ~Bob Marley

        by sfinx on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:26:39 AM PST

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        •  Thanks for your interest...I really hope you'll (0+ / 0-)

          get off that destructive meat habit someday soon...of course if you do by then it will be too late.

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:31:43 AM PST

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        •  Yes, we must beg for people to stop killing (1+ / 0-)
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          beach babe in fl

          the planet.  If we even hint at the fact that they are higly complicit in the destruction of our climate as we know it, and most likely also supporting the mass torture of animals, we should just be terribly nice, because reasons.

          "Thanks for your interest - I really hope you'll get off that destructive meat habit someday soon!"?
          Because if you say that you get caled a preachy vegn just as much.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:33:33 PM PST

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      •  not sure (3+ / 0-)
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        beach babe in fl, marina, letsgetreal

        this is a good thing to say, bbfl ... fan of yours though I am. In a sense, we all choose our convenience over Earth and humanity - at least we in the high consumption countries. I don´t eat much meat (I´m not entirely off of it yet, though you have managed to become a regular tiny voice in my head when I go shopping). But I have flown, for instance, twice last year. I don´t consume much compared to some others, but what I consume would still be enough to kill Earth instantly if it were replicated by all of the 7 billion that we now are. So we shouldnt be throwing stones at each other. We should help each other out of this glass house, as best we can .. and that toad (commenter) seemed at least at the beginning of listening ... don´t make it shut its ears. (Is a toad a he or she?)

        that said ... I was in the US once last year, for the first time since ages, and I was thoroughly shocked at what and how people eat there. really, really just in their own sake, for themselves, they should change that.
        And earth would be better off just as a bonus.

        I also was in Brazil, by happenstance, and people there, while they can not imagine not eating meat, they ate much much better, while being poorer than those I saw in the US. They would think youre insane if you say you´re vegetarian but they know what food is. Not this stuff that people in the US get.

        •  we definitely have a problem in the US with over (1+ / 0-)
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          marsanges

          consumption of everything.   i live a very low carbon lifestyle; vegan, no driving,  no heat..airconditiong yet i live a very good life and am very healthy.   I don't tend to care what people do with their lives unless their lifestyles hurt my life or my families.   Many don't even realize that their choices are hurting others and destroying our planet.

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:38:23 AM PST

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      •  this is a pretty rude and ignorant response (1+ / 0-)
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        melfunction

        i think i finally figured out why your diaries grate my nerves so, even though i rather agree with you.

        just a little bit bored.

        by terrypinder on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:30:56 AM PST

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  •  yeah, but even if this thing gets off the ground, (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, marina

    which is a big "IF", doesn't it bother you the guy is only allowing those who can pay such a price? It seems to me he wants to save the 1%, who got us into this mess in the first place. If the government had been more focused on what is good for the common good instead of what it's political contributor's wanted, we would be further along to staving off climate change disaster.

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:36:15 AM PST

    •  he has to fund it someway. If we all did what (0+ / 0-)

      was necessary (stop eating meat, for instance and other carbon reducing measures) we wouldn't be in this predicament.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:41:33 AM PST

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      •  my point is: (0+ / 0-)

        the people most likely to be able to afford to pay for the trip aren't going to be knowledgeable about sustainable growing methods, yes? or knowledgeable about much science at all. If something goes wrong, as it always does, who is going to solve their problems?  

        "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

        by blueoregon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:30:25 AM PST

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        •  1% probably wouldn't enjoy it up there (1+ / 0-)
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          letsgetreal

          Close quarters, zero privacy, no luxuries, no economy, everyone does real work, etc.  There's be nothing for a Harvard-educated MBA or a self-made hustler to do up there.

          The 1% would rather reign in hell on a devastated Earth than serve in the communist paradise on Mars.  They want power and the perks and privileges that power brings, and the place for that would be on Earth.

          Something's wrong when the bad guys are the utopian ones.

          by Visceral on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:43:32 AM PST

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    •  Heck, I'd be glad to be rid of them. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bisbonian

      Then maybe the rest of us could get this place sorted out.

      Babylon system is the vampire... ~Bob Marley

      by sfinx on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:15:40 AM PST

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    •  That's How Oligarchies Work. Only Those Who Break (1+ / 0-)
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      Bisbonian

      them can benefit from the fixes.

      That's why they break societies.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:58:27 AM PST

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    •  You will have to have technicians . (0+ / 0-)

      You have to pay technicians to go and make the place work .
      If you want to go , go vegan and learn a indispensable trade .

      "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

      by indycam on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:56:11 AM PST

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  •  Couple things here ... (3+ / 0-)
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    beach babe in fl, marina, letsgetreal

    1.  Vegetarian or vegan -- where would animal based products (fish, eggs, milk, cheese) come from to support a vegetarian as opposed to vegan?  

    2.  I wonder how many people w/$50k to plunk down would (a) be willing to abandon their Earth possessions/holdings for a very austere/risky life as 'colonist' on Mars and (b) are vegetarian.  

    3.  Consider the total figure:  $4 billion.  It does sound massive, outside government terms, but this is just a few 'bridges to nowhere'.  Or, for example, not that many miles in the Washington, DC, metro expansion.  

    4.  I actually believe that Elon Musk has the ability to achieve things.  He has shown it.  If he is 'advertising' this, I take this as not total fantasy.

    Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

    by A Siegel on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:44:40 AM PST

    •  good points, must actually be vegan...most don't (2+ / 0-)
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      A Siegel, marsanges

      know the difference. You do!  That's great! ps..i'm vegan

      2) i think enough could be found  (perhaps not 80,000) although probably more would want to go just not have the bucks.      

      3) Elon Musk is unique so I don't negate this.

      I put this out as info. to reinforce (YET AGAIN!)  that our choices determine our future

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:54:15 AM PST

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      •  Oh ... (2+ / 0-)
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        beach babe in fl, marina

        No, definitely not Vegan -- very much an omnivore even as I / my household strives to have a larger share of our life vegetarian (rarely vegan -- while I am happy w/forms of margarine, others in family are butter addicts and we're all big cheese eaters).  

        And, definitely a thanks in your posting.  So much stuff out there and I likely would have missed without your posting. I think this is 'cool' in terms of consideration.  And, there is power in what Musk does/can do.  And, this has me thinking in other/related directions.  Thus, thanks again.

        Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

        by A Siegel on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:11:06 AM PST

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  •  enjoy your cold soup. (2+ / 0-)
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    Actully, Martian restaurants have very good food.....the atmosphere sucks, though.....

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:48:48 AM PST

  •  It has to be that way (0+ / 0-)

    animals breathe.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:59:04 AM PST

  •  But see yesterday's (2+ / 0-)
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    marsanges, terrypinder

    very interesting diary on agroecology:

    Introduction to Agroecology: Holistic Management- Cattle, Cause or Cure for Climate Crisis?

    Important to note - it does not in any way exonerate factory-farm/feedlot livestock production. But it indicates a startling potential for benefit from livestock production that is managed in a dfferent way.

    Babylon system is the vampire... ~Bob Marley

    by sfinx on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:14:27 AM PST

    •  would have to DRASTICALLY reduce meat consumption (1+ / 0-)
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      Bisbonian

      to even envision a sustainable model.  US is almost 100% factory farming meat.   ALSO  grass fed (grazing) is almost always done on land that was cleared for that purpose.  The Amazon is being destroyed to produce grazed beef and food for beef.   Meat consumption is killing our planet.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:23:36 AM PST

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    •  agree with bbfl here (2+ / 0-)
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      beach babe in fl, Bisbonian

      there is no contradiction between bbfls drive to get people of todays insane meat consumption, and that diary´s advocacy of ecologically sustainable livestock agriculture.

      The meat that most people eat - here, for instance - doesnt come form wide well managed extensive grazing lands. It comes from pig factories, and even worse kip (sorry chicken) factories where animals are nothing more than bioreactors for maximum proteine growth in minimum time at minimum cost using the lowest cost industrial input materials. That is as far in opposition to what that diary tried to describe than could be.

      My countries pig and chicken factories actually import fertility from third world countries - we here, we import bioproduction of low-intensiuty countries, in milled form., force feed it into what´s called "plofkip" (dont go searching the details behind that if you want to sleep well at night) and resulting "chicken breasts" consisting of proteing, water and chemicals then dominate in the supermarkets at a low price that no actual meat ever could compete against, let alone livestock acgriculture as described tehre.

      And the poor people, the many who have no cent to spare, simply by what´s cheapest in the supermarkets.

      This is an insane chain, earth destroying and climate destroying as bbfl says, and it is what is driven by people´s meat consumption in our countries. It is an industrial production chain that pillages fertility in source countries to the short term benefit of protein overconsumption in a few metropolis countries. It is the most insane thing "agroeconomy" has come up with yet, even beating the not much less insane agrocrop policy, and it is destined to ecological collapse a it burns through actual sustained supply capacity, the faster the cheaper. It treats the agricultural basis of this planet as a commodity to use up - and it will be used up in the middle of this century.

      That´s what modern day meat eaters drive, and it is only humanly understandable that they prewfer not to think about it.  

      •  beautifully said marsanges... (2+ / 0-)
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        This is an insane chain, earth destroying and climate destroying as bbfl says, and it is what is driven by people´s meat consumption in our countries. It is an industrial production chain that pillages fertility in source countries to the short term benefit of protein overconsumption in a few metropolis countries. It is the most insane thing "agroeconomy" has come up with yet, even beating the not much less insane agrocrop policy, and it is destined to ecological collapse a it burns through actual sustained supply capacity, the faster the cheaper. It treats the agricultural basis of this planet as a commodity to use up - and it will be used up in the middle of this century.

        That´s what modern day meat eaters drive, and it is only humanly understandable that they prewfer not to think about it.  

        Macca's Meatless Monday

        by VL Baker on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:21:18 AM PST

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        •  just thinking about it (2+ / 0-)
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          beach babe in fl, FinchJ

          makes me so angry that I cant type straight anymore. LOL, see all those typos. Just who the hell do we think we are that we allow ourselves to behave like this on this planet?

          now I have to go to buy food myself. Getting hungry. I wish you all the best, and I´ll not buy any meat, promised :) (I´ll go for potatoes. Potatoes saved this countrys´s people in the hunger winter of 1945.) I wish I could do anything to help you, at least I can support you even though I am still not yet a vegetarian by myself.

  •  20 Years Maybe. To Be Running in 10 Years from Now (1+ / 0-)
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    they need to be building hardware right now, not designing or experimenting.

    Points about vegetarian dieting taken, but the sheer logistics can't be anywhere near where they need to be at this moment.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:01:36 AM PST

  •  The whole thing is a joke . (1+ / 0-)
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    melfunction

    There is no way that Mars will be better then the earth at its worst .
    If you can live on Mars you can live on a toasted Earth .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:02:51 AM PST

  •  I may walk to Tesla sales room (0+ / 0-)

    (about 5 miles) to protest that I probably emit fewer green house gases than Musk, despite the fact that I'm a meat eater (in moderation.)  
      For one thing, I'm sitting here typing with gloves on because I have the heater theromostat set at 50 (instead of 65) on a day when it's below 50 outside.

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:25:51 AM PST

  •  The responses are hysterical. A food replicator (0+ / 0-)

    will be on board I presume, but ersatz london broil probably stinks.

    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

    by the fan man on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 03:44:46 PM PST

  •  Could we at least visit? (0+ / 0-)

    I think you and I agree on more than we let on.

    Passionate heads bumping online don't always make it easy to see that.

    But if you would allow us to visit, that would be cool. I would gladly eat a vegan diet to see Mars and the projects you all have to make it inhabitable.

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