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You should probably show them who actually agrees with their point of view.  No, not Crazy Jim Yeager.  No, not Rand Paul, not Marco Rubio.  I think the NRA would immediately begin to change their tune as soon as you pull up this old clip and play it for them again.

Ice T talking about how the 2nd Amendment Exists - To Shoot Cops.

Ice: I'll give up my gun when everyone else does.  If everyone here had a gun, would you like to be the only one without one?  (The 2nd) is a big part of our Constitution, the Right to Bare Arms is the last line of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt - it's to protect yourself from the Police.
This is why it's important to have weapons comparable to the police and the military, because you might need them.  Imagine that, Ted Nugent and Ice T - Agree!

Here's Micheal Moore responding to that comment.

It must seem strange to other nations that we think our Constitution was written by God, and that we have to live in the same way that they did in 1776.
And I get Michael's point.  My issue is that I agree with both Ice T and Michael Moore.  I mean, technically, according to Federalist #46 Ice T is exactly correct.  Michael's argument goes along the line that the 1789 people used Muskets which had to be hand loaded, not Machine Pistols that can fire hundreds of rounds.

Times have changed, but not all that much.  Let's recall that the Original 2nd was really implemented to allow Southern State Militias to Put Down Slave Uprisings. and Federalist #46 was merely an excuse to rationalize that brutality.

http://truth-out.org/...

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state.  The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.
 

Yeah, they haven't changed all that much at all.

20 Years ago Ice T with his Punk/Metal Side project Body Count put music to that sentiment with the song "Cop Killer" - which he discusses here.

I was talking about Police Brutality.
He put himself in the mind of someone who was essentially fed up with the violence by the police against his community.  Someone who had had ENOUGH.  The song was written and released One Year Before The Rodney King Riots.  It was predictive.  It accurately gauged the level of frustration in the community, a frustration which boiled over into a city-wide rage.

I was here in L.A. at the time - that resentment was No Joke. And it's still here.

Here's how the NRA reacted then.

They began a campaign of intimidation against Ice's Label Time Warner, which included Death and Bomb Threats against their officers.  Eventually he dropped the song from his CD (which had been out or 2 years already), and then left the label.

But that didn't stop the bodies from falling to police guns.

If you want to get the NRA to do an immediate about face on their resistance to gun safety measures - play them that Ice T clip and they'll respond the same way that Ronald Reagan did when the Black Panther Party showed up on the California Capitol Lawn with loaded guns while he was Governor.

http://prospect.org/...

...former President Ronald Reagan signed a law banning public carrying of loaded firearms in California. The Black Panther Party used to carry around loaded firearms all the time, but after a shootout between the Black Panthers and the police in which an officer was killed, the Mulford Act, which prohibited the carrying of loaded firearms in public, was proposed. The BPP responded with an armed march in front of the state capitol building in 1967, and Reagan subsequently signed the bill.
When one member of the New Black Panther Party appeared in front of a polling place with a stick - Fox News just about lost it's bloody mind.

In 2008

And again in 2012.

As it turn out, all of those guys were Poll Watchers, there to prevent Voter Suppression (the type of which we saw run rampant in 2012) not implement it.

Think of this In the wake of the death of Trayvon Martin by someone show wasn't supposed to be carrying a weapon while acting as part of the "Community Watch", the shooting of Kendreck McDade by police because of a wrongful claim that a weapon was seen, the shooting of Oscar Grant in the back by Oakland Officers and the ongoing racial intimidation of New York's "Stop and Frisk" strategy yet someone - who didn't fit the "profile" - was still able to take a hand-gun onto Wall Street for a shooting spree.

Why didn't this guy get "Stopped and Frisked" exactly?  Maybe it has something to do with the same thinking we hear from people like Ann Coulter when she says Gun Crimes are a "Demographic Problem". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

"If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium," Coulter said. "So perhaps it's not a gun problem, it is a demographic problem, which liberals are the ones pushing, pushing, pushing."
Yeah, if you compare the crime and gun death rate between the Rich, the Middle Class and the Poor - what do you get?  Maybe we have a poverty problem and should "Spread some wealth" to fix it, Ann.  Or at least Raise the Minimum Wage to something survivable so people don't have to live in debt, desperation and fear.

Just Imagine what would they do if a dozen big burly black guys with Assault Rifles Showed up at a Pro 2nd Amendment Rally to support their right to shoot Cops, the ATF or the FBI in self defense?  How fast would they be ready to support a National Mumford Act?

I'm just saying - it's not really about freedom to have guns - it's about who has the guns.

Vyan

Originally posted to Vyan on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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