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The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson puts it all in perspective:
As the people of Newtown know — and the people of Aurora, Colo.; Tucson; Blacksburg, Va.; and so many other cities know far too well — this is no game. It’s a matter of life and death.

Roughly 30,000 Americans will die by gunshot this year. About two-thirds will be suicides; almost all the rest will be victims of homicide. It is obvious that if guns could be kept out of the hands of people who are dangerously unstable or inclined to commit crimes, and if the weapons themselves were better suited for sport or self-defense than for killing sprees, lives would be saved. [...]

Don’t listen to those who say that Obama should have begun more modestly, perhaps with the centerpiece being universal background checks for gun purchases. Obama was right to go big. He was right to ask Congress not only for universal background checks but also for a ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines — measures that the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA) abhors.

For too many politicians across the country, however, it's all just a political game. The New York Times editorial board pens a blistering piece calling out state legislatures that are already trying to circumvent federal gun control measures:
There’s no point in telling these fanatics that federal gun restrictions are completely constitutional, even under the Supreme Court’s latest interpretation of the Second Amendment, or that federal law pre-empts state law. They already know these bills will be unenforceable. They are merely legislative fist-shaking, letting pro-gun voters know that lawmakers share their antipathy to the Obama administration, and signaling to the National Rifle Association and other gun-manufacturing lobbies that they are worthy recipients of rich political contributions.

Already, states like these have done enormous damage to public safety by acceding to the N.R.A.’s demands for laws that are anything but symbolic. The gun lobby hasn’t been content with the ability of Americans to lawfully possess hundreds of millions of handguns and assault rifles. It wants gun owners to be able to carry these weapons anywhere they want, even among children, concealed or displayed, and preferably without the annoyance of permits, background checks, or safety precautions.

More analysis on state-level grandstanding here.

Former Republican governor of Massachusetts and US ambassador to Canada Argeo Paul Cellucci writes a powerful op-ed at The Boston Globe about "getting it done":

GET IT done. That was our attitude at the Massachusetts State House in the late 1990s.

I know there is no one easy answer to stopping the mass shootings like those committed by mentally ill young men in Arizona, Colorado, and most recently Connecticut. Certainly expanding mental health services is critical. But there are common-sense gun control policies like those adopted here in Massachusetts nearly 15 years ago which would make a huge difference. What it takes is the political will in Washington to get it done. [...] Gun violence is a uniquely American problem. It will take strong presidential leadership and strong leadership in Congress to end the bloodshed and protect the people of the United States.

Adam Gopnik at The New Yorker on the President's use of his bully pulpit and the debate on gun control:
Anyone who says that there is anything unsettled or unknown or unclear about the relation between gun control and gun violence is either lying or ignorant, or both. Many things in our social life are complicated and multivalent; this one is not. Guns do not protect people, or families. Any anecdote that can be mined to claim that they do—and many of those stories evaporate on probing—is overwhelmed hundreds of times over by the number of well-documented accidents, suicides, and domestic disputes turned into murderous occasions produced by the presence of a gun at homes. A gun turns a drunken dispute into a bloody death. [...]

In the end, the President didn’t speak from the bully pulpit. He didn’t even speak from an elevated post. He just spoke from the mind, and from the heart, and he raised spirits still haunted by the image of twenty small, terrified children, heaped up in a pile of death, whose last breaths were spent in a state of terror because a madman got his hands on a military weapon that no one in a free country should ever be allowed to hold. Good and great causes don’t advance without resistance. First the thing is impossible, then improbable, then unsatisfactorily achieved, then quietly improved, until one day it is actual and uncontroversial. So it was with putting military weapons into the hands of openly homosexual soldiers, and so it shall be with taking military weapons out of the hands of crazy people. It starts off impossible and it ends up done. The arc of the universe may be long, but the advance of common sense actually can take place very quickly. And if it bends toward justice, or simple sanity, it is because people bend it. What we are seeing may be the first signs of a nation deciding, at last, to bend back.

Longtime gun-owner Kirk R. Wythers comments at The Christian Science Monitor:
The first time my grandfather watched me feed five shells into my gun, he looked at me soberly and said, “Nobody needs more than three shells. If you miss with the first two, you’re probably going to miss with the third.” [...]  There are those who would take every gun away from every civilian. There are those who believe they should be allowed to own any kind of weapon they want.

Between these views is a duck blind in the cool quiet gray at dawn. I can hear the whistle of a flight of mallards as they swing past. This is a place where two or three shells in a shotgun are all you need. I know what my grandfather would say about big magazines and guns that use them.

Anson Kaye at U.S. News & World Report on the situational patriotism of the "need guns to protect ourselves from the government" crowd:
Remember when conservatives used to say, "America, love it or leave it"? When just about any protest coming from somewhere else along the ideological spectrum was cause to question that person's loyalty and love of country? Ah yes. Those were the days.

But now, after decades of positioning government as the enemy, the more recent rise of Tea Party populism, and the prospects of a two-term Democratic president, some on the right find themselves in rather a different place. Instead of impugning the loyalties of others for their perceived lack of patriotism, they are left to employ a sort of situational patriotism all their own.

Over at CNN, Paul Waldman deconstructs the NRA's "paranoid fantasy":
If you're a regular listener to conservative talk radio, you've heard Barack Obama compared to Hitler and Stalin innumerable times, over every issue from health care to taxes (after Obama's press conference, one Fox News Radio host tweeted, "Freedom ends. Tyranny begins."). Since his election in 2008, supposedly respectable politicians have talked about simply refusing to obey laws they don't like, and some even proposed seceding from the union. To be clear, most gun owners aren't stockpiling canned goods and assault rifles in preparation for some kind of societal breakdown that will give them permission to act out the violent fantasies they've been nurturing for years. But many would say that their "right" to own any and every kind of firearm they please is the only thing that guarantees that tyranny won't come to the United States.

Well, guess what: They're wrong. In today's world, most tyrants aren't overthrown by an armed populace. Nonviolent revolutions can result in a quick transition to democracy, while violent insurrections often result in long and bloody civil wars.

And here in America, it isn't 1776, and it won't ever be again.

Switching gears to another matter of life or death, Naomi Oreske, professor of history and science studies at the University of California at San Diego, calls for President Obama to order a Manhantann Project to address the climate change crisis:
There is a powerful precedent for the president to take this route. The core of the national laboratory system was created by President Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the Manhattan Project to address an earlier threat to American safety and security: the possibility that German scientists were going to build an atomic bomb that could have been decisive in World War II. Scientists brought the issue to the president’s attention and then did what he asked: They built a deliverable weapon in time for use in the war.

While historians have long argued about the seriousness of the threat of a Nazi atomic bomb, there is no question that at the time it was viewed as imminent. Today we face a threat that is somewhat less immediate but far less speculative. An obvious response is to engage the national laboratory system to study options to reduce or alleviate climate change, which the president could do by executive order.

Progress in many areas of research and development could greatly reduce the problem in the next few decades. Most are already areas of active research that could easily be ramped up. [...] Curiosity-driven science has not yet provided the solutions to global warming, and universities are not well situated to address a single, overarching problem. Moreover, the president does not have authority over our nation’s universities. But he does have authority over our national laboratory system. The labs have been mobilized before; the time has come to mobilize them again.

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  •  On Wyrthers' "three shells" (14+ / 0-)

    Maine has some of the laxest gun laws in the country, and certainly the laxest in New England--Mayor Menino of Boston once put up a billboard that read "Maine: Your Guns are Killing Our Kids" or something to that effect.

    But you know what? Hunters with more than five shells in their possession are violating Maine's hunting laws.

    In a state of hunters, Mainers can tell you Wyrthers' father was right.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:41:38 AM PST

    •  In this country (5+ / 0-)

      laws for hunting animals are more restrictive than laws for hunting humans.  Apparently because of 'fair chase' and concerns about 'overharvest'.  

      There is some disdainful snark in there, it's up to the reader to find it.

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:49:16 AM PST

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      •  In Minnesota (7+ / 0-)

        when we had a teabagger legislature, they tried (vetoed) to push through an ALEC-written shoot first law that would make it nearly impossible that a person shot--even outside of the shooter's house in a public space--was not acting in self-defense.  The law would have put all of the burden on the state to prove that the shooter didn't believe there was a threat and the shooter would have no duty to retreat.

        Meanwhile, the same legislators legalized wolf hunting, but there are very specific firearm restrictions, and regarding the taking of a wolf that threatens pets or livestock:

        “Immediate threat” means the observed behavior of a wolf in the act of stalking, attacking, or killing livestock, a guard animal, or a domestic pet under the supervision of the owner.

        Additionally, the owner of a domestic pet may shoot or destroy a wolf posing an immediate threat on any property, as long as the owner is supervising the pet.

        In all cases, a person shooting or destroying a wolf under these provisions must protect all evidence, and report the taking to a DNR conservation officer within 48 hours.  The wolf carcass will be surrendered to the conservation officer.

        My point is not to discuss whether the laws around taking a wolf are good and I don't know how much of the wolf hunt law text is from the legislature and how much is from the DNR, but it's worth pointing out that the GOP-controlled legislature and ALEC decided in the same legislative session that there should be less onus on the shooter when killing humans in "self-defense" than on a shooter taking a legal game animal.  

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:01:48 AM PST

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  •  NRA has toned down its rhetoric a bit..... (5+ / 0-)

    Latest email below, a little less bombastic bullshit, but still bad:

    It's time to STAND AND FIGHT for freedom!

    That's why I'm going on Sean Hannity's show tonight for one full hour.

    If you want to hear the facts about gun control's failures, and hear the truth about how NRA is fighting to make our families, homes, schools and communities safer, then I urge you to watch. If you can't watch tonight, record it so you can watch it this weekend.

    And if you want to help NRA win the battle to protect the Second Amendment, please tell family, friends and fellow gun owners to watch as well.

    The nightmare battle that we've always feared is now at our doorstep, and the outcome of this battle boils down to arming every gun owner with the truth. Please help me do that by forwarding this email to as many gun owners as possible.

    Thank you for your friendship and support, and your steadfast loyalty to the cause of freedom.

    Wayne

    Wayne LaPierre
    Executive Vice President
    www.NRA.org

    David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

    by PsychoSavannah on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:45:27 AM PST

  •  Another diary here talks about redneck sheriffs... (9+ / 0-)

    ....who say they won't enforce gun laws.

    Not sure what you can do about that.

    I guess, as long as the major population centers and their suburbs comply, you just can't worry about the sparsely populated deserts, mountains, plains and backwoods that make up the Repub base.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:45:38 AM PST

    •  Sue 'em (5+ / 0-)

      Get some constituents in their jurisdictions to bring them to court for failing to enforce the law.

      When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

      by litho on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:55:29 AM PST

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    •  Ha - that's my local APR today (4+ / 0-)

      Canyon County sheriff says he won't enforce Obama's new gun restrictions.
      And then there's this:
      Idaho Speaker selects Republican Rep. Judy Boyle of Midvale, a former volunteer lobbyist for the NRA and Sen. Marv Hagedorn, R-Meridian, who authored a failed 2011 bill to allow guns on college campuses, as "point people" for the "panic" over new gun laws - okay then, those two sound reasonable.
      And an extra large WTF - apparently they all missed the part about there not being any new gun laws.

      I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

      by hulibow on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:57:46 AM PST

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    •  'S always an enforcement problem. "Prosecutorial (1+ / 0-)
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      ... discretion" can be an issue, too.

      But we do what we can. Background checks are extraordinarily popular. Enforcement of them may be less so, and certainly fodder for those seeking a confrontation. This would be a Federal law, ostensibly with some enforcement mechanisms of its own, and I think Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group will be particularly strong and harsh on gun trafficking issues.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:26:15 AM PST

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    •  I also notice that 21,000 chiefs of police came (0+ / 0-)

      out in support of PBO and his initiatives.
      Guess it boils down to "elected" sheriffs and "hired/appointed" chiefs of police. Probably the "cracker" sheriffs are playing (talking tough) to their redneck base.
      I'm sure that when and if laws are passed, that they will do what they are supposed to do under the law. It's my understanding that federal gun laws will supersede state gun laws.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 02:15:58 PM PST

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  •  'It's not the NRA members...It's the NRA leaders' (10+ / 0-)

    Tired of this sorry meme already.

    •  I guess it's true according to polling. (10+ / 0-)

      But I know what you mean: Whether they agree or not, they're certainly enabling LaPierre's behavior.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:50:04 AM PST

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      •  Yes. Principled members should be turning in (7+ / 0-)

        their cards and sending their dues to funds for victims of gun violence.  

        Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

        by judyms9 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:48:15 AM PST

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        •  Individual members enable the NRA to claim... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... broad-based support. This gives the NRA the appearance of being a small-constituent outfit, present and accountable district-by-district, even though its membership is only a small part of the gun owning public to begin with.

          The real heft the NRA gets, I believe, is from gun and ammo manufacturers and their fellow travelers. They can contribute unlimited sums of money to the NRA's 501 c (4) organization. It is not tax-exempt (like the NRA's allegedly "educational" 501 c (3) "charity") so it can accept unlimited amounts of money and does not have to disclose its contributors.

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:40:51 AM PST

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    •  Then change the leadership or get out. Denial of (2+ / 0-)
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      responsibility in the "just following orders" does not always fly even in the military. It sure as hell does not in a voluntary association. You "own" it? Change it. Someone else owns it and is doing despicable things that you cannot support? Get out and let everyone know you are not associated.

      By carrying a card, displaying a sticker and sending in dues members are supporting that leadership and its views whether they individually like those views or not. Period. End of discussion.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:29:29 AM PST

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  •  Massachusetts may lead the way on market based (19+ / 0-)

    initiatives on gun regulations.  A bill is being filed today under which:

    individuals applying for gun permits in Massachusetts would have to show proof of firearms insurance.

    The bill’s sponsor, Rep. David Linksy, compared the change to the requirement that car owners have auto insurance before registering their vehicles.

    Linksy said requiring insurance could create market-based gun safety incentives.

    Gun owners could see their insurance drop, say, if they agreed to take a firearms training course and properly stored their weapons.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:49:26 AM PST

  •  Guns should be registered just like cars are (13+ / 0-)

    and, the registered owner should be held liable for damages -- just like car owners are -- when they allow someone else access. That would put a dent in gun trafficking. AND, a license should be required to own a gun with the background check performed by the licensing agency. Otherwise, would any yokel who claims to have a gun for sale be allowed to check into anyone else's mental health record? I don't think that will fly.

    “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

    by RJDixon74135 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:51:27 AM PST

    •  Remember when kids could drive trucks around... (4+ / 0-)

      Early on it was done in rural areas and with Farm Use vehicles. But that reckless time went away quickly. But Congress has hindered any and all regulations or government studies into anything to do with guns or gun violence. These idiots are complicit in all of the deaths throughout this country.

      "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

      by Wynter on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:43:07 AM PST

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  •  Thanks for the roundup, Georgia (10+ / 0-)

    I like the photograph of the headlines around the country.

    That's what we need...a Manhattan Project for climate change.  But will we get it?

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:52:09 AM PST

  •  The president hasn't announced (0+ / 0-)

    a climate change initiative yet. Why do I suspect Oreske will prove prescient?

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:52:58 AM PST

  •  Remember Obama and the flag pin controversy? (4+ / 0-)

    The White House just released Obama's official portrait for his second term and Obama is wearing a flag pin as he has every day of his presidency.

    That got me thinking about the whole controversy about Obama and the flag pin.  Remember just how STUPID that was in 2007 and 2008?  

    That was even asked in a debate by George Stephanopoulos with Hillary vs Barack.

    Looking back at that controversy makes me laugh on how small that is comparing to all the crap that Obama has to deal with now.

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:01:11 AM PST

  •  Gene Robinson wrote a great column today (8+ / 0-)

    thanks for posting it.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:01:29 AM PST

    •  But he's mostly wrong (0+ / 0-)

      I know you are from Newtown.. and in that case, lower capacity magazines may have saved lives, but it is doubtful.

      That kid had all the time in the world to swap out lower capacity mags.  He had hundreds of rounds on his person.

      Less than 1 in 10 gun deaths are by rifle.  I don't have a figure for what tiny percentage of those deaths are by assault rifle, but it is very low.

      Yet, here we have all of this political energy concentrated on those weapons.  The real problem is handguns in the inner cities.  85% of gunshot victims are African Americans.  A young black man in Philly is more likely to be shot and killed than a soldier in Afghanistan.  

      Yet, we completely ignore those deaths and concentrate on making white suburbanites instant criminals.  It's all a show, and folks here at dKos (and Eugene Robinson) can squeal with delight how "strong" President Obama is on guns.  But, in the end, it will do nothing to lower the number of deaths.  How pitiful.

      •  The number of US gun deaths cited is 30K per year. (1+ / 0-)
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        Laconic Lib

        Of course they're not all by assault rifle and we're not being led to believe that they are. But military-style assault weapons should not be allowed to the general population. I justify making this statement as I am unarmed human prey.
        As you say, the outrage SHOULD be directed at ten 9/11s per year caused by gun deaths, but it isn't.

        I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
        Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
        Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

        by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:29:43 AM PST

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      •  Well, they're not ignoring it (5+ / 0-)

        That's why background checks and increased monitoring of federally licensed firearms dealers would help.
        When you make it harder for straw purchasers to buy guns (and then sell them illegally in cities like Philly or Chicago), the flow of guns will slow considerably:

        According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

        The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

        Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

        http://www.pbs.org/...

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:37:25 AM PST

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      •  this is a comprehensive proposal (11+ / 0-)

        that includes multiple things. No one thing will help, the kids aren't coming home, but the combo of ideas should help someone somewhere. If not, adjust.

        Taking a few moments to swap out ammo did make a difference in other shootings. It may also decrease the sense of invulnerability to the shooter. But since people don't need those high capacity magazines for anything, it's worth including. Balance the proposal with the effect. Who do you hurt by banning vs not banning?

        What's not worth spending time on is "that won't work, we can't do anything". Yes we can. Yes we will.

        Nor is it "Newtown instead of Chicago (one death at a time). Or Bridgeport. Or Hartford. Or Detroit. That's why I think you'll find the mayors supporting this.

        No one should think this will fix everything. But wer have to start. Unacceptable to do nothing, and gun experts agree most of this is sensible (AWB being the most contentious).

        Damn right I'm from Newtown, and proud of it. The response here breaks your heart, but uplifts you, too.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:39:58 AM PST

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        •  Political will.. (0+ / 0-)

          Why piss off half the country and give ammo (no pun intended) to the 2nd amendment hard cases, when a simple change to background checks accomplishes 95% of the goal?

          The frenzy surrounding "assault weapons" is unreal, and unmasks a desire to "punish" honest gun owners.

          •  your commentis noted (5+ / 0-)

            and respected.

            Go here. Study. Report back.

            Second amendment supporters  (we all are, it's in the Constitution) need to be flexible and not absolutist. and also need to understand who is in the minority on political opinion.

            chart of 5 polls post newtown on stricter gun laws
            Data compiled from pollingreport.com
            see also (and note change since 2010):

            and

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:09:19 AM PST

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          •  Who says we're pissing (2+ / 0-)
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            Vote4Obamain2012, kaminpdx

            off half the country?
            And why is there a need for honest gun owners (like Lanza's mother, for instance?) to own a gun like that with a high capacity magazine? Shouldn't military weapons stay in the hands of the military?

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:14:13 AM PST

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          •  No "honest gun owners" would be (3+ / 0-)
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            Vote4Obamain2012, Laconic Lib, askew

            punished by a law forbidding the sale of what are referred to as assault weapons.  No one has advocated taking these weapons away from people who already own them - they are all grandfathered in by any proposal put forth to limit the future sale of them.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:24:37 AM PST

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            •  Given the usage statistics for "assault" weapons (1+ / 0-)
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              Which is to say their use in crime is virtually non-existant. Why are we set on banning their sale? To look good?

              The overwhelming majority of "assault" weapon owners use them safely and responsibly, how does the political theater of banning them (or banning their sale) not punish those owners?

              •  they banned Tommy guns and BARs (0+ / 0-)

                back in the 30s. Hunters still can hunt, sport shooters can still go to a range and shoot. New York just passed a good law that should be followed with some add ons like insurance.

                When you say it is "common sense" what you are really saying is "I don't have any evidence to back up my argument", because it is quite often neither common nor sense.

                by kaminpdx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:46:35 AM PST

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      •  I saw the term 'security theater' (0+ / 0-)

        somewhere this am and that describes a lot of what's going on.

        Politicians are MASTERS of making it look like they are addressing something in earnest. Obama's gun control package will probably not get out of the GOP-controlled house. He can posture beautifully but the rubber's meeting with the road will be brief, if non-existent.

        Effective gun control should provide a vast decrease in gun-related accidents.

        Crime is crime. Crime is when you do something that is against the law. laws mostly provide for punishment of things already done: they don't provide a lot of actual deterrence from a variety of personality subtypes.

        Laws will provide little deterrence to those who want certain things, bans will establish a serious potential to make them more lucrative to traffick in.

        We already have illegal gun trafficking in America: we want to make effective regulations to keep people safe: not nurture a new violent black market.

        Demonizing one thing or another won't fix the situation.
        Just look at the war on drugs.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:40:15 AM PST

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        •  as to its chances in the House (7+ / 0-)

          you're missing the big picture. Most people want something done, and something will be done. we might see an Assault Weapons ban traded to get something else.

          and by the way, nothing gets me angrier than this bullshit about politicians (who are all human). The ones that were here? They are still crying inside like the rest of us, and many are as angry as I am.

          Of course, not enough of them were here. But that's why you'll see more and more Newtown families in DC lobbying for this (and Az and CO families as well.). That's why Gabby Giffords organized. That's what you do when you want something done.

          Ask Dick Blumenthal or Chris Murphy if it's real or for show.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:47:38 AM PST

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          •  We absolutely must stop tolerating gun violence, (1+ / 0-)
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            and our codes, laws, and regulations are there as expressions of our national will.  People should impose laws, not businesses, corporations, ALEC or any other interest groups.

            Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

            by judyms9 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:59:40 AM PST

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          •  You either misinterpeted me too much (1+ / 0-)
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            or I was unclear...

            I think things will be done.

            I have concerns about some specifics.

            However, we'll just have to disagree about politicians and you'll just have to be angry with me.

            Particularly republican politicians. My life would be so much better if they had never existed. they fuck up absolutely everything. Everything.

            They suck and they are ugly and they will stonewall necessary changes just because of their basic ugliness.

            And we will see this when they get  these gun control bills.

            now... maybe people will flood there phones and emails with demands: Obama said - and I agree - that the American people will have to demand this.

            However, I think Republicans don't give a shit about opinion when they are so focused on their anti-person agenda.

            Republicans aren't our friends.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:01:24 AM PST

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            •  You're ignoring President Obama's (4+ / 0-)

              23 executive actions he's announced that can be done without legislative approval:

              1. Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

              2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

              3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

              4. Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

              5. Propose rule making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

              6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

              7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

              8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

              9. Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

              10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

              11. Nominate an ATF director.

              12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

              13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

              14. Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

              15. Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

              16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

              17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

              18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

              19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship, and institutions of higher education.

              20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

              21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

              22. Commit to finalizing mental-health parity regulations.

              23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

              http://www.motherjones.com/...

              Not all of these are things that will affect gun violence, but it's a good start.

              “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

              by skohayes on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:20:11 AM PST

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              •  No I'm not. (1+ / 0-)
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                I was totally unaware of them!

                I had heard this was coming but had not seen that it actually had been done.

                All that stuff is nuts and bolts - which means 'good".

                thanks!

                The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

                by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:31:57 AM PST

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      •  and "all show"? (2+ / 0-)
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        My response is not printable.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:41:16 AM PST

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      •  The Newtown shooter could possibly have been (2+ / 0-)
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        taken down by the school principal who made an effort to tackle him.  Had he been changing clips she'd have had a chance.  He was a small kid, and she was adrenalin pumped.  Timing is everything.

        Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

        by judyms9 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:54:15 AM PST

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      •  I agree however (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm so tired of there not being a problem until white suburban  people are involved. Then its the biggest fucking issue in the world and we need to take action now. Likewise I have never seen a white person commit a heinous crime without an instant and total effort to delve into the mental history, why the were stressed, were there signs, etc. Have you EVER seen a news report where they asked if there were signs when the shooter was black? Ever seen a white person called a perp?

        But White suburbanites are "made to be criminals"? what the FUCK do you think society does to young non-white men? Never mind just reread my 1st sentence....

  •  EJ Dionne (4+ / 0-)

    wrote a bunch of shit yesterday. His headline re gun control and NRA was full of question marks. I hate that.
    Make a statement. Make a demand. Never ask a question. That's so FAUX-like.

    I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
    Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
    Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

    by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:10:32 AM PST

    •  I totally detest "journalism" that starts with a (1+ / 0-)
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      question.

      "Do dogs REALLY drink from the toilet????"

      it's a sign that somebody feels they are quite clever.

      Report the news.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:49:43 AM PST

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  •  GOP Maginot Line around debt ceiling crumbling... (3+ / 0-)
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    details at eleven.....on FOX!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    •  Highlarious (2+ / 0-)
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      "I think what matters most is that people have a very clear view of what's coming, so that there are no surprises," Ryan said. "That means setting expectations accordingly, so that we move forward on a unified basis."
      my bold, pointing up the totally unexpected Ry-Rom loss ::sniffle::

      I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
      Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
      Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

      by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:20:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  With no disrespect to maggots! (0+ / 0-)

      Oh wait, I misread that! GOP and maggots just seems to go together.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 02:25:13 PM PST

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  •  Convert National Labs from Oil to Sustainable (13+ / 0-)
    An obvious response is to engage the national laboratory system to study options to reduce or alleviate climate change, which the president could do by executive order.

    The Manhattan Project (atomic bombs) + the Apollo Project (Moon landing) show that the US can not only do it, but do it again. Each one changed the world with science, putting the US on top of a new global order that inspired our entire species.

    Right now the national labs do $BILLIONS of research free for dirty fuel corps. All that geology, fluid dynamics, synthetic diamonds, is for the nuclear, oil, coal and other petrofuels businesses. That's in addition to the $4B in direct  cash that you and I send with our taxes to pad these most profitable businesses on Earth.

    Obama should lead those labs right now to convert all that research from profitability to sustainability. Stop wasting our scarce time left on "clean coal" greenwashing research, and instead perfect geothermal to replace baseload coal mines and plants. Stop making new ways to slowly (and occasionally BANG) nuke ourselves, and create perfect insulation and heat circuits to cut the 40-70% of our energy passed through building heating down to 5-10 points - enough by itself to slowly reverse the Greenhouse Effect and possibly stabilize climate change. Most of these new directions would be even better  for the traditional industries, like geothermal drilling instead of fracking and oil exploration with their many risks, a steady business more profitable and less expensive to insure and recover from.

    Crank us out of the status quo that's killing us and into a new clean industrial economy full of good American jobs and an actual future for our children.

    Come on, Obama. The coal and oil industries just spent a half $BILLION of their profits to defeat you, and lost. Take the country you won down the road away from them. Drive these national labs to a liveable future. If you want your legacy to say "healthcare", there's nothing better for America's health than leading the world out of the filth and into the clear.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:14:16 AM PST

  •  Trolls are up early this AM :P nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:19:41 AM PST

  •  Would a smoker from the 1950s, (8+ / 0-)

    when everybody smoked pretty much everywhere; believe the situation of smoking today? I doubt it. I remember a lot of people bitching about "Freedom" while we went through that process. And how the restrictions would never work.

    People don't change much, but cultures do.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:20:30 AM PST

  •  I actually mean no disrespect to the RKBA folks (4+ / 0-)

    and I and them have gone around just a little bit about particulars in the past and I feel I have learned a little, which has helped hone my perspective on this topic. I still say or indicate things they may not agree with but I think they know, in the end, I am not in support of a blanket "gun ban", for a couple reasons, none having a thing to do with the 2nd amendment.

    The idea I hear from what my gunnery sgt running buddy calls 'the zanies' is that guns in your home are a thin line between liberty and utter totalitarian government.

    As if a civilian or group of civilians would be able to actually hold off the US government should the US government want ANYTHING they have.

    I think it is delusional as the US government will kill you and its media will tell the world what a shit-eating terrorist you were and how they did a great big favor by lancing that particular boil.

    You have a belt-fed 50? Killer! The government has tens of thousands of 'em and more ammo than you. And more help.

    Ergo, I feel this "guns ward off tyranny' bit is at best overstated and most correctly painted as 'wild-assed delusion'.

    That said I am intending to be the middle ground in the 'debate', niether wanting to needlessly arm people who shouldn't be nor supporting some blanket 'gun grab' (which I also don't think will happen".

    I am not freaked out by guns, I was raised with a couple guns in the house (Never really heard a thing about the second amendment growing up. "Guns are tools: leave them alone until you;re told you can touch them") and I am not 'prejudiced' against guns as I feel many on the left seem to be.

    On the flipside, I don't own a gun. I think I "should" have one for home defense (side-by-side small-bore shotgun in the corner by the bedside table loaded with pdx) but I haven't gotten around to it. I am just not that pressed to own a gun. I have mused about it for 30 years... ain't got off my ass to do a thing about it. (So please... don;t call me a gun nut unless you;re just really stupid)

    So I am focused on what ACTUALLY will work and not a slurry of ridiculous, ignorance/prejudice-based ideas.

    While the NRA and that ilk howls about Obama and NYC's 'new' gun regs being "draconian" I see them as - largely - addressing many of the issues.

    I do not believe we can limit the insanity of 0.0000001% of the country. I DO believe we can severely curtail gun-related accidents.

    I DO believe we can dramatically reduce the "900 deaths per month" from firearms with more stringent regulation. In my book "more stringent" is easily expressed as treating guns JUST like cars.

    I don't think we can totally eliminate crime without a complete overhaul of this capitalist society. Too many people are victimized to make profits for the rich and this inequality fuels poverty, drug abuse and violence.

    But can tighten the control a bit.

    I'd like to see PSA's about seeking counseling for strife, gun safety, etc... We have curtailed some tobacco abuse and addiction in this country: we can ameliorate the delusional beliefs held by some regarding the overall importance of guns.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:24:06 AM PST

    •  It's important that we chip away at it. (6+ / 0-)

      Even if change comes slowly, change must come.
      I hate being mired in blood and guts and having a heritage of blowing shit up and dealing death from above. It's bad national joujou. Sick of it.

      I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
      Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
      Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

      by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:36:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You know, as foul as I may seem here (2+ / 0-)
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        I can actually say I have gone through much of this life helping people. Helping the sick and the poor - really: the mentally ill.

        It can be done.

        Was just talking to a former client yesterday - tempted to post a diary on her. Poor diabetic, one leg amputated because of it. Heinously depressed, poor hygiene (always smelling like old urine). She was paranoid and scared living alone: she slept with a handgun, a knife and a hammer under her pillow. (No...I don't know how she slept)

        We talked about this a variety of times: she just could not let go of the gun. She had no training. She'd not be able to wake up from slumber and effectively manage an attack - but the gun was a security blanket. It made her feel better. I of course, was horrified. I just knew she was going to end up hurting herself accidentally.

        Yesterday she was in - over a year since discharge. She looked great. Talkative, funny. I picked on her and called her an old woman: she howls with laughter.

        I asked about the gun "Oh hell no! I put that thing away!"

        She feels good, we helped repair some ugly family rifts and now she has a lot of emotional support. (And the family has a perfectly good family member back after kicking her to the curb for 30 fucking years).

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:48:39 AM PST

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        •  your heart's in the right place (2+ / 0-)
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          (we, your regular readers, know that).   ;-)

          Your cynicism, usually well founded, is perhaps a but misplaced. But we'll just have to see.

          Massacre Sways Public in Way Others Did Not
          The massacre of children at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., appears to be profoundly swaying Americans’ views on guns, galvanizing the broadest support for stricter gun laws in about a decade, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:54:42 AM PST

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          •  Just like the bombing of the church (2+ / 0-)
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            way back when and adorable little Black girls were blown up by KKK racists. The nation was revulsed and had a great psychic convulsion that set in motion the wheels of that change.
            The always-senseless death of small children, when well publicized and pushed upon the national conscience, seems to quake the foundations and set change in motion again.
            To the NRA: Change or disappear.

            I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
            Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
            Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

            by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:10:18 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  I also enjoy being correct.... (2+ / 0-)
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            If I learn I am incorrect I am well on my way to being correct again.

            I do operate on good faith. If I tell you I saw Elvis working on a road crew, it had to have at least been an outstanding elvis impersonator..... I wouldn't just make it up.

            And when I am wrong, that usually means things are better for us, not worse. I have learned to be cynical - in repeated painful lessons.

            This would be one of those topics where I can add "ever so happy to be wrong....".

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:12:33 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  well... (1+ / 0-)
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      a start might be to understand that crime is a function of things like economic systems, structural inequity, wealth gaps, upside down societal priorities, mental and emotional instabilities and trying to use the legal system to moralize instead of looking at crime as the result of individual pathologies or moral failings.  

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:48:22 AM PST

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      •  hey... structural inequity, wealth gaps, upside (0+ / 0-)

        down priorities..... these are what America is best at!

        Legal means GOOD!

        capitalism needs inequality and savage victimization in order to function.

        "Fairness" is TERRIBLE for obscene profiteering.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:08:50 AM PST

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  •  So glad 2013 is finally here.... (1+ / 0-)
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    It's the year "we" started to finally put in place "gun control".

    Just like looking back in the history books for the beginning of the Civil Rights or Suffrage movements we are now living in the days of the Gun Control movement. And it hasn't come a day too soon!

    Keep talking, keep sharing, keep pushing until your Congressman gets the message loud and clear that THIS YEAR.. NOW... is the time for common sense Gun Control that will save lives. Damn the NRA to hell where it belongs! The Gun Lobby should be held in shame right now.

    It's time is NOW. Go out and spread the word!

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:37:18 AM PST

    •  Maybe it's just me, but (0+ / 0-)

      I like the term "Gun Safety" much better than Gun CONTROL.

      "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

      by gritsngumbo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 02:31:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Too watered down... (0+ / 0-)

        Gun Safety sounds like a purely "voluntary" matter. We need to push for mandatory changes to how we buy, sell, and operate firearms in this country.

        That to me isn't just safety. It's regulations that need to be implemented, enforced and severely punished. Too many jurisdictions are already trying to push back on the federal mandate on firearm control. We can't go in half way. We have done that and this is where we are today. It's time to shine a bright light on those that are standing in the way of positive commonsense change and oust them as NRA thugs in office.

        - Congress has defunded and banned any and all government studies on gun violence over the last two decades.
        - Congress will not step up voluntarily to put a single restriction on firearms. We can't ask them. We have to TELL them!

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:48:30 PM PST

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  •  "A uniquely American problem..." (5+ / 0-)
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    Now there's an instance where American exceptionalism really IS the case.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:42:28 AM PST

  •  How very quickly the media began reporting... (5+ / 0-)

    ... how terribly hard it would be for the Obama gun safety proposals to get through, and the fact that failure will be held against President Obama.

    My favorite is an article in The New York Times by Michael Shear - "No Easy Path for Obama's Gun Safety Agenda"- in which Shear opines:

    If the ambitious legislative package stalls in Congress, Mr. Obama will have to decide how much political capital to expend on its behalf. If lawmakers refuse to pass any major gun control legislation, it will be viewed by many advocates as Mr. Obama’s fault.
    That slick bit of opinion-making was dated January 16, 2013 at 7:53am, hours before the Biden/Obama announcement of the details.

    This is our MSM at work, what passes for reporting.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:51:40 AM PST

    •  the WaPo countered with (7+ / 0-)

      stories of the NRA's political victories and invincibility... even as they give ground and muzzle LaPierre in favor of Keene.

      They're the same people that told us the Presidential race was tied. Their reporting is based on talking to DC insiders.

      They need to get out more.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:57:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You know... (3+ / 0-)

        that would make a great LTE:

        Dear WaPo editorial board,

        You need to get out more.

        Sincerely,
        Dem from CT

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:00:42 AM PST

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        •  I suppose that why they're called (1+ / 0-)
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          The WASHINGTON Post and not the "Out Around the Country" Post.  Dean Baker calls the paper "Fox on 15th," which seems apropos when you consider the level of accuracy and depth of their reporting.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:45:57 AM PST

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          •  well, for years (0+ / 0-)

            that was seen as the "strength" of that paper and why it carries a national reputation, it was on the "inside" of the beltway.

            But the Post-Reagan years have brought a very different meaning to that characteristic

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:50:29 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  Senate Repubs attacking it (3+ / 0-)

      without reading it as well:

      Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) knew that President Barack Obama's proposed ban on guns wouldn't work, saying as much to Fox News' Bill O'Reilly Wednesday night.

      "What the President is proposing is problematic for a couple of reasons, but primarily because it doesn't work..." Rubio said. "These ideas don't work. It's not just Chicago. Washington, DC had a very similar gun ban. And it didn't work. In fact violent crime and murder and all these things skyrocketed in Washington during the time of those bans."

      There's only one problem: Obama hasn't proposed gun restrictions that resemble anything like those in Chicago or those that were overturned in Washington DC. It's possible Rubio hadn't actually looked at what the White House proposed before reacting. If so, he wouldn't be the only Republican to make that mistake. Senator Rand Paul (R-Tenn.), speaking to Fox News' Sean Hannity, vowed to "nullify anything the president does that smacks of legislation," adding that "there are several of the executive orders that appear as if he's writing new law. That cannot happen." Paul's staff might want to inform him that Obama signed no executive orders Wednesday. He did sign several presidential memorandums directing relevant agencies to alter their behavior regarding gun tracing, health research, and criminal background checks, in addition to issuing a list of other executive and administrative actions that he will take on guns.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:30:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  For once... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...I fully appreciate and welcome all the "blather" <-- my usual opinion of all the pundits' punditry.

    I feel...relieved, actually, to see and read the sentiments thrashing the NRA and their like-minded ilk.

    It's about damn time.

    "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

    by Marjmar on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:47:55 AM PST

  •  Article on how the NRA has perverted 2nd Amend (2+ / 0-)
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    pelagicray, Laconic Lib

    Robert Parry at Consortium News gives us a history lesson on the Second Amendment and how the NRA has perverted it:

    More Second Amendment Madness

    The Right’s powerful propaganda apparatus has sold millions of Americans on the dangerous – and false – notion that the Framers of the U.S. Constitution incorporated the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights so an armed population could fight the government that the Framers had just created
    .
    These “revolutionary” Americans have been persuaded that they are channeling the intent of the Framers who supposedly saw armed uprisings against the legally constituted U.S. government as an important element of “liberty.”

    But that belief is not the historical reality. Indeed, the reality is almost the opposite. The Second Amendment was enacted so each state would have the specific right to form “a well-regulated militia” to maintain “security,” i.e. to put down armed rebellions.

    The Framers also made clear what they thought should happen to people who took up arms against the Republic. Article IV, Section 4 committed the federal government to protect each state from not only invasion but “domestic Violence,” and treason is defined in the Constitution as “levying war against” the United States as well as giving “Aid and Comfort” to the enemy (Article III, Section 3).

    We keep hearing the fringe spout how their guns are to protect them from our government.

    Personally, I am more afraid for the President's safety now than at any time since his first Presidential campaign. The overheated rhetoric may well find a nut who is inspired to become a hero to the likes of Limbaugh, Rand Paul and that Yeager nut.

  •  FYI - note about Cellucci (0+ / 0-)

    Paul Cellucci's son in law was involved in the NHL negotiations.  Craig Adams of the Pittsburgh Penquins is married to Cellucci's daughter.  :-)  

    Massachusetts and now New York State are examples of how things should be done. Too bad NC will never follow suit.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 12:55:45 PM PST

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