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For those of you giddy with excitement over Friday's announcement of OFA 3.0, aka Organizing for Action, just stop for a minute and consider that the largest organization in Democratic Party history is now prevented by law from engaging in partisan politics.

For those of us who still care about the Democratic Party and continue to work to elect more Democratic candidates, this was stunning news today. All the technology, infrastructure and volunteers amassed from 2008-2012 are now lost to us. In other words, President Obama, the leader of the Democratic Party, has just thumbed his nose at the DNC and picked up his toys and taken them home to Chicago.

Implicit in the Obama Campaigns of 2008 and 2012 was the promise of building an organization that would ultimately benefit all Democrats. As it turns out, that is not to be. Were we all duped? Maybe so, but maybe we should have known better. The warning signs were there from the beginning.

In 2008, OFA staff were specifically instructed not to engage or interface with state parties, especially in Georgia. It seemed someone at OFA heard a rumor that state party officials were "Hillary supporters". It wasn't true, but that didn't prevent our entire party from getting the shroud. I know this because two Obama staffers lived with me for three months. OFA staff were also warned to steer clear of county Democratic parties because they carried too much "baggage" and would not be useful to the campaign. Nice.

In 2012, Georgia had only one paid staffer, and volunteers were instructed to organize and focus only on swing states. This happened all over the country, laying waste to the 50 state strategy that helped elect the President in the first place. Later in the year, DNC funds keeping many state parties afloat began to taper off. And attempting to contact anyone at the DNC in 2012 was an exercise in futility. They were all deployed elsewhere, most to Chicago, leaving only a skeleton crew in DC.

In Georgia, huge fundraisers were routinely held in support of the President, but hardly a dollar was spent on the ground. More troubling still was that fundraising for any Democratic candidates other than the President was a challenge, to say the least. There are only so many political dollars to go around, after all. In both elections, Georgia was little more than a pit stop, a photo op and an ATM for the Presidential campaign.

According to Politico:

The group’s board will include a host of former Obama staffers, an Obama campaign aide said Friday. Along with Messina will be Obama campaign and White House alumni Stephanie Cutter, Robert Gibbs, Jennifer O’Malley-Dillon, Julianna Smoot and Erik Smith. Senior adviser David Plouffe will also join when he leaves the White House later this month.
So, the current brain trust of the Democratic Party, along with every valuable asset in its possession, now resides behind a firewall of a 501c(4) organization that may only engage in issue advocacy. It's really unbelievable. Apparently Jim Messina, et al have decided that, as one DNC member put it, when it comes to the Democratic Party, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.


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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    The richer your friends, the more they will cost you. -- Elizabeth Marbury

    by MelGX on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:09:58 PM PST

  •  Now ya know how we feel out here in CA! (4+ / 0-)
    In both elections, Georgia was little more than a pit stop, a photo op and an ATM for the Presidential campaign.
    I am reserving judgement at this point. OFA was built on volunteers. Those volunteers will decide where they want to go. Personally, I ONLY give money to candidates through ActBlue or directly to the candidate. And we know all too well from watching Stephen Colbert and his superpac - how much wink, wink, nudge, nudge happens between these CU organizations and the actual campaigns. My gut feeling is that the Obama's leave office and proceed to rub the "community organizer" label into the gop's face for many years to come. Plural because I believe FLOTUS will come out roaring in 2016. The kids will be almost grown and she will be out from under the FLOTUS label and expectations.  

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:24:30 PM PST

    •  Can't fault optimism, (4+ / 0-)

      but I was looking for great things and great resources from the DNC coming out of this election. Especially since our Democratic Party in Georgia basically imploded last year and likely won't recover until the current Chair is gone. It's exhausting being a Democrat in a red state.

      The richer your friends, the more they will cost you. -- Elizabeth Marbury

      by MelGX on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:57:50 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, that has got to be hard. And when it comes (0+ / 0-)

        down to the same 'swing' states - all the resources go there. All you can do it keep pushing from the bottom up. Wishing you good luck in turning GA blue.

        if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

        by mrsgoo on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:39:26 AM PST

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      •  The problem with Georgia is that it is a (0+ / 0-)

        socialist state. Democrats really have nothing to offer that people don't get from Republicans (money from Washington and home rule). The people are antagonistic towards socialism because they identify it with nationalism, being ruled by the federal government. Democrats relying on Washington to guarantee and promote individual rights is not particularly appealing. Georgia has an income tax and routinely has voter-approved special option sales taxes to pay for roads, schools, parks, docks, resort areas, etc.

        We all know that the red states get more money out of Washington. But, you know, that's how it should be because, after all, Washington is where the money is, literally, made. The fifty states have long been in the situation, which the Euro countries have just recently set up for themselves -- dependent on a super agency for the issuance and management of currency. And it's causing the countries of Europe the same problems our fifty states have.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 03:49:46 AM PST

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      •  Same situation in Tennessee. (1+ / 0-)
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        The outgoing state chair is a hopeless incompetent, among the leading contenders to replace him is a DINO/crypto-Republican and a retired blue dog state senator.

        Life is the ultimate economic bubble; we cash out with all the capital we invested: none. On the other hand, the wise among us have enormous moral capital to easily invest in their children and their communities. Just remember where our real wealth is.

        by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 04:24:11 AM PST

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  •  American Politics, No Future (1+ / 0-)
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    The whole concept of working with the common purpose of rendering the future inheritance as beneficial as possible for everyone is gone from our society.  And it's even gone from the party, too.

    Obama's going all in on his second term because he wants to pass some legislation in the next four years.

    Sure looks like it bodes ill for the people.

    I didn't "go in" because the fundraising page is the first thing you see in there.

    "... all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you." --Mark 11:24

    by november3rd on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:40:55 PM PST

  •  I'm confused. (16+ / 0-)

    I don't see what you're upset about. I really don't see a problem here. I guess my perspective may be different being the ultimate battleground state, Ohio, but I am very excited about this.

    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:41:54 PM PST

    •  A lot of folks were really hoping that they would (2+ / 0-)
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      turn over the database to the D party or perhaps to the 2016 D presidential nominee.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:46:51 PM PST

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      •  The problem is that so many local Dem groups (3+ / 0-)
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        are completely dysfunctional.  I live in a Blue county in CA but I got to say the local Dems are a mess.  It's an old clique that barely have a clue and run the local city like they were old style Republicans and are in the back pocket of developers and fighting the local merchants in favor of chain stores.

        We have a good Dem Congress Rep who had a tough fight in a new district and I was really disappointed that OFA wouldn't lift a finger to help.  The word from HQ was to stay out of the local races.  She won but no thanks to OFA.

        Now PBO is faced with the R House.  Well, guess what, OFA needs to get involved in these local races to take back the House because without the House nothing will get passed.

        Congressional elections have consequences!

        by Cordyc on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 02:42:32 AM PST

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        •  Gerrymandered house districts (0+ / 0-)

          mean we will have a Republican House for at least another decade. That's the reality we have to work with.  

          2012 Total Congressional Vote:
          for Democratic Reps: 59,645,387  49.2%
          for Republican Reps: 58,283,036  48%
          So we beat them by 1,362,351 nationwide.

          Republican seats: 233  46%
          Democratic seats: 200  54%

          Because Republican legislatures and governors swept into office in the 2010 TeaBag revolution just in time for redistricting have crowded all the Democratic voters in many states into a few heavily Democratic districts and spread the Republican voters into smaller majorities in a greater number of still safe Republican districts.

          For the White House, that means bypassing the House and going straight to the people.  

          If we can change minds on important issues (like Obama did with Don't Ask Don't Tell and is doing on immigration and gun safety) we can deprive the Republicans of some important wedge issues and turn voters into Democrats.  

          That's the best way to take back some districts, and more importantly, take back some statehouses, which is the only way to end the gerrymandering and make the US House represent the voters.  

          (anecdotal data:  my wife's family has been hard core Republican for a hundred years or more, but they have some beloved family members who happen to be a lesbian couple, and when Bush so blatantly appealed to "values" voters in 2004, he lost my wife's family to the Democrats)

      •  the thing about that (1+ / 0-)
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        is that, as we have learned, it was not just a database.  and someone, or several someones, spent a lot of coding time building the OFA system.

        who knows what kind of intellectual property rights defined those contracts?  but i'm not sure it's OFA's place to take what those programmers did and give it away.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:34:44 AM PST

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  •  Obama built it, the next Dem candidate will have (5+ / 0-)

    to build their own brand and campaign, unless it's Biden.

  •  I want to work on President Obama's agenda (15+ / 0-)

    and Organizing for Action provides me with that opportunity.  State parties and the national party do not give me that opportunity.

    I am very excited to be working with OFA for the next 4 years.  It has been productive for me over the last 4 years.

    So there is no problem for me.  And a lot of our awesome volunteers would agree with me on that.

    Barack Obama for President '12

    by v2aggie2 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:21:29 AM PST

  •  I'm confused (6+ / 0-)

    If the state and county parties in Georgia are turning out losing candidates and campaigns and the state party chair is a hindrance to success, why should OFA be bailing that out?

    Beyond that, I am somewhat skeptical about this move too.  But time will tell how it works out.  I mean I don't remember any active president continuing the campaign after reelection, so there is some potential here for positive developments.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:52:10 AM PST

  •  Organizing tools are just that, tools. (10+ / 0-)

    The toolkit includes the 501(c)3, the 501(c)4, the PAC and several other classic structural options.  

    Much of the time it does not matter which one is which.  The only limitation on a 501(c)3 is the ability to spend money to exhort people to specifically vote for a candidate in an election.  

    Anything else is general public education and falls under a non profit umbrella.  

    To me, the practical problem that OFA was able to deal with was that the Democratic Party, in a lot of local circumstances is a clique of people who have a lot of old habits and who are very set in their ways and slow to change them.  

    OFA was able to interest younger people because they didn't have to argue with older people to get things done.  It was really only a GOTV operation.  

    If you wanted to talk to any of the organizers about long term issues outside of the GOTV construct, they really didn't have any time for that.  

    That is really what the Democratic Party does.  It provides a local context for vetting leadership and cultivating the public environment for issues that are primarily local.  Other local organizations like environmental groups may be quicker on the draw for particular purposes.  But the Democratic Party, for all its faults, is there, from election cycle to election cycle to election cycle.  The people who want to be part of it are extremely enduring and persistent.  You can find people who have been involved for fifty years, easy.  

    So, if OFA isn't going to be GOTV focused, it will have to do a lot of work to change.  A public education effort is very needed, but it will have to begin to develop some ability to create strategic leadership, think tanks, media relations, and a way to move the country forward both locally and nationally.  

    Obama probably is smart to recognize that he now passes into history.  He is the President of the United States.  He does not have to campaign for office any more.  

    So to have created an organization with national reach that can keep the flame burning and can promote a generation of leadership for the future, is definitely worth doing.  

    There are many things that are needed, however and OFA can not do all of them.  All of us, with our different visions are needed.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:53:41 AM PST

    •  exactly! (5+ / 0-)
      the Democratic Party, in a lot of local circumstances is a clique of people who have a lot of old habits and who are very set in their ways and slow to change them.
      And DNC campaign ads were horrible - compared to the clever 21st century Obama ads.
      Obama is smart to NOT turn over operations to the DNC.

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 01:55:16 AM PST

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  •  In our state, Indiana, as we went into the (4+ / 0-)
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    2012 election cycle, our rural county had its first campaign office since I have been involved as a volunteer.  The office was donated to a Democratic state house of representatives candidate.  As OFA in our rural county I asked if we could work out of one of the inner offices.  For the last two elections our cars, our houses and the Burger King were all we had.  The candidate finally allowed us to work there incognito, no signage for Obama, etc.  I  might add that there were more Dem candidates from our rural county running but they were on their own because they weren't "targeted" campaigns.

    The campaign staffer hired by the D. party told me that they were trained specifically to have nothing to do with the Obama campaign.  He did however ask and received the help of the OFA volunteers for their campaign when we could.

    At our local county fair candidates walk in a small parade and pass out literature.  Our Dem US rep candidate told me as I was standing and waiting to help pass out lit for him (no Obama buttons on my clothing, etc.) when I had his ear and told him maybe our little group of Obama volunteers could do something to help, that he didn't want to be associated with the President during his campaign.  I understood the tack the Dems were taking in our state, distance themselves from the President, and understood not to mingle campaigns (OFA trains one well).  However the idea that he was ashamed of the President turned me off so badly that I decided not to walk in the parade and did not again offer any help to that candidate.

    Just saying.

  •  Perfect example of the difference (6+ / 0-)

    During the contentious healthcare battle, OFA set a goal of 100,000 calls on behalf of the President's healthcare reform agenda and ended up making 300,000.

    Democratic congressfolk running for office on the other hand, ran away from the historic reform they passed.

    It's the difference between a people-driven approach rather than a conventional wisdom-driven approach. Yes we can vs. yes we poll.

    The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

    by FiredUpInCA on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 02:48:20 AM PST

  •  The Democratic Party has been (1+ / 0-)
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    disfunctional for a long time. Howard Dean tried to reform it from the inside, but it was not amenable.

    If we are to have government by the people, then the political party organizations (corporations) are anachronistic, unless they evolve from the focus on power to a more service-oriented mission.

    For a good long while, the political parties were content to divide the populace into those who were willing to be done to and those who were willing to be done for. Neither side was enthused by the prospect of people doing for themselves. DIY is neither a Democratic or Republican desideratum.

    Organizing for America or Action is an effort to start over. That that tax code provides preferential treatment, based on exclusive behavior, is consistent with how Congress does business. Any justification for separation and segregation is welcome. If people can't be segregated on the basis of personal characteristics, let's do it on the basis of behaviors and preferences. Some people just have to do that because they can't see either themselves or other people except as part of some group. They're groupists. They probably can't see trees either, except in a forest.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 03:31:35 AM PST

    •  IT was not amenable?? (1+ / 0-)
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      As I recall, I was BO who fired Dean.

      Oklahoma: birthplace of Kate Barnard, W. Rogers, W. Guthrie, Bill Moyers & Eliz. Warren. Home to proud progressive agitators since before statehood. Current political climate a mere passing dust cloud; we're waiting it out & planning for clearer days.

      by peacearena on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 07:24:33 AM PST

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      •  No, Dean said from day one that he would only (1+ / 0-)
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        stay until a Democratic president was elected, because then he would be the head of the party.

        Dean wasn't fired.  That said, Dean is less than a stellar manager. He never appreciated the internet, except as a money collecting tool and his support for grass-roots organizing was half-hearted. Dean is a charismatic speaker and his heart is in the right place. Choosing his brother to lead Democracy for America was not a good choice. Jim Dean is, like Howard, a nice fellow, but their organizational skills are weak. I say that as a person who still contributes dollars on a monthly basis to DAF. Hope springs eternal that they'll come up with more competent personnel. Howard is cheap and wouldn't spring for the quality tech people required to run an internet media organization. Grass roots enthusiasm can take care of a lot, it cannot keep the lights on and the servers humming.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:25:28 AM PST

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        •  This is DFA on a much grander scale (1+ / 0-)
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          and success isn’t a foregone conclusion. Morphing an organization that is personality based into one focused on issues is a very heavy lift. They might sustain it for the next four years, but once President Obama is out of office, the organization dies.

          DFA tried this on a much smaller scale and eventually faded away after several cycles, even though Howard Dean became Chair of the DNC and his brother was installed as the head of DFA.

          How many OFA supporters will get as jazzed about issues as they do about BO? I'm guessing a very small fraction.

          The richer your friends, the more they will cost you. -- Elizabeth Marbury

          by MelGX on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:59:19 AM PST

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          •  Less too, now that the kvetcing begins. (2+ / 0-)
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            Jeez.  Try to do something good.

            OFA has morphed several times already.  It was Obama for America in '08, then Organizing for America from '09 to 2011.  Then back to Obama for America up to the election.

            Now this new incarnation Organizing for Action for now, agenda-driven rather than election-driven, since there's no imminent election.

            Many of us have worked with some or all of these versions.  We've had big victories and we've had some losses.  And all the way a few on DK have felt the need to piss on our efforts.  Funny how that subsided with the "historic ground game" and Democratic victories a couple of months ago.

            A whole multi-generational boatload of people has re-learned how to get out and work together -- hard - toward seemingly impossible goals.  Civic involvement, not "bowling alone."  That to me is the biggest legacy so far of OFA, beyond the victories & losses.

            I'm in, again.  You?

  •  501(c)(4) orgs can endorse candidates, (0+ / 0-)

    and I'm sure OFA will support candidates in addition to engaging in issue advocacy.

  •  Oh Good Grief (6+ / 0-)

    Nothing is lost to the Democratic Party. Vote builder/VAN is avaialble to the Party and to any Democratic Candidate. This data base  is the heart and soul of whta made Obama's campaign work. The organizing skill set is readily available from numerous top level staffers that have worked  with and for OFA.

    Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

    by jsfox on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:24:26 AM PST

  •  Issues are going to divide the party (3+ / 0-)
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    and I'm not seeing how this organization is going to do anything but put one more obstacle in the way of true progressives taking over the agenda.  Obama is not a progressive.  I don't see this organization forming around the issues of economic justice.  I would wonder if you aren't just feeding the center right more power to be used for Wall Street and not Main Street.  

    Is the purpose here to give you control or to control you and your energy and money for a center right agenda?  

    •  lol (2+ / 0-)
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      He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

      by Sophie Amrain on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:33:24 AM PST

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    •  on the plus side, (2+ / 0-)
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      It looks like the entire Obama campaign braintrust will be occupied with whatever it is they are focused on, and hopefully not working within the Dem party. It may give some breathing room to progressive party activists who have been supressed by the Obama-centric OFA machine. Heck, maybe we can get Dean back into the mix again. It seems clear to me that we will need something like a 50 state strategy, and a focus on downballot to deal with the gerrymandering problem and, judging from comments here, it's going to take a lot of work to make that happen.  

      "I don't cry over milk spilled under bridges. I go make lemonade" - Bucky Katt

      by quill on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:56:53 AM PST

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      •  Good point (1+ / 0-)
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        Or maybe the Obama centrists and Clinton centrists will be so busy fighting for control of the party, progressives might gain some leverage IF they wake up and understand they need to demand to be represented particularly on economic issues.  

      •  A nice laugh (0+ / 0-)
        It may give some breathing room to progressive party activists who have been supressed by the Obama-centric OFA machine.

        on a Saturday morning. Thanks.

        The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

        by FiredUpInCA on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:14:19 AM PST

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    •  True progressives as defined by you are likely a (2+ / 0-)
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      minority in the party. How can they take over anything?

      •  I don't understand how you can define someone you (0+ / 0-)

        don't know.

        As for progressives being a minority in the party, the Progressive Caucus is the largest Democratic caucus in congress.

        If anyone can explain this meme to me and tell me what formal definitions are in play, I'd really appreciate that.

        Rather than using some distorted personal definition known only to a single person, let's try to stay with the dictionary definitions of words.

        Definition of PROGRESSIVE
        a: one that is progressive

        b: one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:34:05 AM PST

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        •  People who complain about being suppressed by (2+ / 0-)
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          OFA machine tend to have their own definitions of things.

          •  Is it possible that your experience is different (1+ / 0-)
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            from that of others?

            I live in a red congressional district of a swing state. I'd like to see a true Democrat running for office here. Our last two candidates wouldn't even qualify as blue dogs. They were tea people running as Democrats. In 2010 the real Democrat dropped out of the race when his wife sued for divorce. In 2012 the real Democrat suffered a heart attack and died.

            Some of us are very frustrated.

            If you have experienced something else, maybe you should count your blessings instead of throwing rocks.

            Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

            by Just Bob on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 01:14:12 PM PST

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  •  Well, you can complain, of course, but OFA has (3+ / 0-)
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    proven its usefulness. So whatever strategy (and tactics) they had, it seems to have worked.

    And I, for one, am rather happy that OFA will not be misused as tool of a most likely inferior (:=not as good as Obama) candidate in the next presidential election.

    You seem rather short-sighted to me. Obama is after much larger fish here than Democratic party efficiency. He wants to change the nation (not the public discourse, not the blogs, not the official statements - the nation).

    This is much deeper and much more important than giving some candidates an efficient tool. If OFA has any success in that at the local level, it will, of course, in the medium and long term translate into Democratic party advantage.

    He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

    by Sophie Amrain on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:19:42 AM PST

    •  He wants to change the nation like how? (0+ / 0-)

      I've seen nothing in Obama's actions that leads me to believe he is anything other than a typical politician who is every bit as concerned with feathering his own nest as helping me feather mine.

      I don't think he's any worse than the party but even his recent support of the gun issue seems to have come entirely as a reaction to events.

      •  Nest-feathering sounds sorta Romney-ish. Like (0+ / 0-)

        "that's all they want." Feathers for the 47%.

        And Obama's not rich.  He wrote a couple of books that sold well. So what?

        Way too cynical for me.

      •  I know that you do not see that. Large portions (2+ / 0-)
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        of the left are unfortunately rather bad in political analysis, preferring outrage to it.

        Of course his recent support of gun control has come as a reaction to events. As a consequence of the events Obama has a chance to get new gun control measures. Without the massacre at Newton he would not have had the momentum needed to achieve that.

        The able politician uses events to further his goals. The purist runs around complaining.

        Obama has already changed the nation. He has steered health care reform towards becoming reality (you do remember, how Clinton failed with the same task, do you? I believe that attempt never came out of committee). Obama has gotten the military to repeal DADT - this is a serious recalibration going on there.

        Now, with OFA, the attempt is to make the changes deeper, and longer lasting. If they can manage to form/educate/train a whole generation of organizers, that will be a rosy future for our political system. It will help immunizing against the usual garbage thrown out by the right, many religious, and the pundit class.

        He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

        by Sophie Amrain on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:37:16 PM PST

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        •  Without the Depression (0+ / 0-)

          there would have been no Roosevelt, no Social Security, weaker unions, no strong middle class of the 50's, 60's and 70's.  

          Roosevelt "reacted" to the Depression.

          Obama reacted to the changing public view of gay rights to get Congress to repeal DADT.  Using Congress rather than an executive order left the bigots totally defeated.

          Obama is reacting to the public outrage over 20 dead little children to try to make some important changes in gun safety.  

          I think this will lead to more and better Democrats all across the country.

  •  The Alabama Democratic Party (0+ / 0-)

    is very weak, since Republicans now control all three branches of government. Republicans appear to target all white office holders for conversion or extinction.  Alabama Democrats need to grow a coalition of progressive whites. women, labor, blacks and Spanish surnamed voters to offer some opposition to the radical Republicans.  I don't think current Alabama Democrats will appreciate the interference with whatever it is they are doing.    

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