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Gun advocates argue that the appropriate response to school shootings is to arm teachers.
If they arm teachers,  then, teachers  in California deserve Public Safety Officer pay, and Public Safety Officer pensions.  Do you wish to discuss this ?  That would mean a 30 -50% increase in pay and pensions.

Originally posted to dcampbell on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:33 PM PST.

Also republished by California politics.

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  •  How about armed teachers... (4+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber, AoT, blueoasis, splashy

    ...in states where the Republican legislators badmouth them?

    Hmm...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 05:51:29 PM PST

  •  Then we can have shoot outs, not at the OK Coral, (3+ / 0-)
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    but in Abraham Lincoln Elementary School.  The Wild West triumphant, I guess.  More guns, more shoot outs, more fun, I guess.

  •  i should think (2+ / 0-)
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    that they would be entitled to better health & life insurance benefits as well.  not to mention ongoing care for those who are wounded in action.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 06:44:09 PM PST

  •  Regardless of the details, the day I was asked to (2+ / 0-)
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    carry a gun into a classroom would have been my last day in that school. Fortunately, after 31 years in public education, I retired and will not need to make such a decision. I'm not sure what motivates anyone to consider a career in education at this point in time. I was fortunate to teach in great schools with capable colleagues and for mostly great students and parents. I suspect my experience will not be the norm for a lot of the teaching professionals from here on out. Very sad.

  •  I don't (0+ / 0-)

    guns have no place on any campus and I don't care in whose hands they're in, whether it be a cop or security officer.

    I would not allow my child to attend any school that had a gun on it.

    I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

    by wretchedhive on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 08:55:02 PM PST

  •  Not to mention hazard pay (1+ / 0-)
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    If school shooting are so common that they justify arming teachers then teachers should get hazard pay as well as public safety pay.

    Maybe, of all the reasons it's a terrible idea, that reason would get through to people.

  •  I am not advocating it, however (0+ / 0-)

    I read a proposal a few days ago about a plan to have one or two armed adults in every school. The armed individual could be a principal, teacher, or staff member. It would work like the air marshal program, no intruder would know which adults were armed. Those who volunteered to became "school marshals" would receive extensive training before being armed.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:33:31 PM PST

    •  This has been the case in Texas since 2008. Some (1+ / 0-)
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      teachers are armed, but not all, and they go through a year of additional training besides their CHL training.  It occurs in some districts but not all...and most districts do not reveal if they are an "armed campus".  It is left up to the district to decide if they wish to allow it.  I taught their the year this was decided.

    •  I don't see how it is possible (0+ / 0-)

      to carry a gun on your person in a school setting and not have it be obvious to everyone.

      Teachers and school workers don't usually walk around with handbags; they wear keys around their necks.

      I would add that given the level of concentration, distraction, and activity, I do not think it is safe for an adult to carry weapons in a school while also having other responsibilities for teaching, supervision, etc.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:25:11 PM PST

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  •  not expecting widespread acclamation (0+ / 0-)

    In some regions of Alaska, children often carry firearms to school with them. After Columbine there was a hiatus when they had to leave their weapons at neighboring houses. Most schools in those regions designated a lockable closet near the door for school day storage. Not all predators come on two legs. I know of no problems arising from this policy. Maybe safety education and experience helps?

    •  I think tiny, thinly populated communities (0+ / 0-)

      where everyone knows everyone, and where it's not really even possible to leave town, have very different dynamics from your typical urban or suburban American school.

      It's also true that in Alaska that kids fly to sports events and take field trips via airplane where they experience their first restaurant. :-)

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:28:03 PM PST

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