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A strong outcry by the locals -- forestalled the Super-Surveillance Society, at least for now anyways ...


Seattle mayor scuttles police plans to use drones

Associated Press, CBSNews -- Feb 8, 2013

[...]
Seattle's mayor on Thursday ordered the police department to abandon its plan to use drones after residents and privacy advocates protested.

Mayor Mike McGinn said the department will not use two small drones it obtained through a federal grant. The unmanned aerial vehicles will be returned to the vendor, he said.


UAVs in the USA.  USA! USA!


It's a free country air-space right?   So never ever, ever, assume you're alone anymore.

Afterall they've got eyes in the sky ... more and more all the time.


Hello Big Brother!  And it used to just be just a bad TV show ...

[...]
The decision comes as the debate over drones heats up across the country. Lawmakers in at least 11 states are looking at plans to restrict the use of drones over their skies amid concerns the vehicles could be exploited to spy on Americans.

The Seattle Police Department previously said it would use drones to provide an overhead view of large crime scenes, serious accidents, disasters, and search and rescue operations. It had conducted demonstrations of the drones to show the public their capabilities.
[...]

The proposed measure would have allowed the use of drones for data collection but barred police from using them over "open-air assembly of people" or for general surveillance. The drones would have carried no weapons, but the proposal would have allowed police to use face-recognition software in them.
[...]


Well, what ever happened to having a patrol car respond to the scene of an incident?  You know, the police motto: "Serve and Protect."  That requires an actual public safety officer, in person, on the scene.

What's a flying camera going to do -- tell them how many cars to send?


Well at least they were "unarmed" -- for now.  But give them time. I'm sure the lawyers are working on a rationale for THAT invasion of privacy (our personal space and effects), even as we speak.  

There's probably "probable cause" in there somewhere ... "Zoom in WAY closer, OK?  We'll find it."


Afterall -- the "bad guys" are everywhere, doncha know?   USA! USA!  




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  •  The Steven Tyler act here in Hawaii seeks to (1+ / 0-)
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    jamess

    protect celebrities from paparazzi.

    So I was thinking that paparazzi taking pictures of celebrities is really stealing the celebrities stock in trade.  Their celebrity.  Kind of like plagiarism.  

    Then I see your diary about drone paparazzi and unknown people.  

    I guess we are going to be under total surveillance.  With computers watching, this is a new surveillance.

    guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

    by 88kathy on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:00:24 AM PST

    •  It reminds me (2+ / 0-)
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      of that scene in the Al Gore move Inconvenient Truth ...


      Where Al is describing the story of the frogs in a pot of water, that is slowly rising in temperature, towards a slow boil.

      Al wanted to scream "Jump Frogs Jump" -- as the frogs remained oblivious to their pending futures.


      Slow and Steady, sometimes loses the war -- the war of constitutional common sense.


      thanks 88kathy for the "public vs private" observations.

      •  You might not like my drones can be useful (2+ / 0-)
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        thoughts.  We have some work to do to figure this out.  Drones could make things better in some ways.  Being a woman I have been under curfew all my life.  Maybe drones would make the night safe for women.  That would be nice.

        guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

        by 88kathy on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:12:41 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm not worried about (1+ / 0-)
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          their helpful innocuous uses.


          I'm worried about their misuses.

          I'm worried about what they will ultimately become.


          How long before they are armed, for instance.

          How long before they are peering in our window,
          with their sophisticated heat detectors, etc.

          Monitoring our cell calls.


          I'm worried about who is flying them,

          and who watches the flyers?

  •  A drone could do the high speed chase. (2+ / 0-)
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    A drone could do the chase if the suspect flees on foot.
    A drone could patrol lonely jogging trails.
    A drone could show freeway tangles.

    Really they could be used for good stuff too.

    guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

    by 88kathy on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:05:01 AM PST

  •  it has a good beat ... (1+ / 0-)
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    marina


    The Alan Parsons Project -- Eye in the Sky


    http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Say Hello! (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, KenBee


    to your future America ... if you let it.


    mini drones


    They're so tiny, Heck it's almost like "they're not even there."

    Fugget about it!

  •  I wonder if folks would support the use of a drone (2+ / 0-)
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    to kill the suspect on the run in LA?

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:31:52 AM PST

  •  Looks like the federal gov't (2+ / 0-)
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    is underwriting this kind of purchase by way of grants and that worries me a bit. Perhaps it's time to restrict the use of federal grant money for the purchase of drones.

    The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

    by Mr Robert on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:54:57 AM PST

    •  Draganflyer X6 (2+ / 0-)
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      The Draganflyer is the drone that SPD purchased and I found this interesting bit about grant writing on their website.

      Grant Assistance

      The Department of Homeland Security makes grants available to states, local and tribal jurisdictions, and other regional authorities to assist in planning, equipment purchase, training, and exercise needs. Draganfly Innovations will provide grant writing support, consultation, and assistance to qualified agencies.

      So this is where my federal tax dollars are going?

      The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

      by Mr Robert on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 10:00:54 AM PST

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    •  The federal government is behind much of this (2+ / 0-)
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      The militarization of our local law enforcement is largely driven by the joint Wars on Terror and Drugs, neither of which are the top problem in most jurisdictions. However, if my local police force gets a grant from the feds that can only be used to purchase an Army surplus 6x6 armored car (true story), do you really think they're going to turn it down? And, now that they have it, how likely is it that the next meth lab is going to be surrounded and starved out vs. having the Metal Monster just drive into the middle of things so truly automatic weapons can be fired out the armored gun slits?

      Most local cops need 1) more officers, 2) better basic equipment such as patrol cars, two-way radios, 3) more ongoing training in everything from firearm accuracy to crisis negotiation, and 4) lots of other non-sexy stuff that doesn't get a block grant based on the number of Dangerous Drug Fiends they lock up.

      •  Every time I go to Portland (2+ / 0-)
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        I feel like I am in a war zone. I have never seen so much military hardware.

        This is the police ofrce that seems to regularly shoot the poeple they are called to help.

        They have zero training in conflict resolution, are trigger happy, have military hardware and now they want drones.

        Just lovely...............

        It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

        by PSWaterspirit on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 05:17:42 PM PST

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  •  I support the legal and publicly challenged and (1+ / 0-)
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    finally codified use of drones.

       It's a tool that can help or hurt, like all tools.

    This will happen, it will be part of new laws, abuses, and court challenges.

    What will happen first before the police are restricted are restrictions on civilian rc useages. A Hollywood film opening featured some rc drone hovering over the crowd, that is nonsense. Imagine some celeb being followed in traffic thru some city by a rc drone transmitting to where, controlled by who...it will happen papprazzi will do it, for sure.

    Right now you can buy for less than $2000 a drone that will fly to gps waypoints, take pictures, stream live video, and fly home with out you touching a single control.

      Home soul modified rc/drone distance records of many miles have been set, streaming live video the whole way, ceiling records of 3 miles or more..this is on lithium batteries, and some have added solar panels for more air time.

    I think now enforcement is limited to the height of a 12 ga shotgun. And of course it might seem like fun to chase a police drone with another drone, don't get caught.

    We saw the Occupy drone in ny with a cell phone camera streaming live.

    but regular use of drones will happen, and we should stay on the issue.

    And then there is google earth, fly along hiway 36 or 299 in norcal east of Garbervilee, look at all the tomato patches you can easily see.

    (Waves hi!)

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:33:03 PM PST

  •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)


    for droning on and on, about the topic,

    But if ...


    If Cheney were doing this kind stuff, Senators would be raising a Ruckus
    by jamess -- Feb 05, 2013

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