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There's yet another diary on the front page of this site that takes a swipe at Chris Christie. Not because he's a Republican nightmare waiting in the wings for 2016, whose horrible policies need to be exposed.

No, y'all are mocking him because he's fat. FAT! Ooga booga booga. And because this week he had the temerity to get righteously angry at a doctor who had never seen him, never read his chart, never run a test, and yet went on TV and presumed to diagnose him from a distance. Remember how riled we all are when Bill "Cat Killer" Frist presumed to diagnose Terri Schiavo from the Senate floor? Yeah, like that. When I heard he called her up and read her the riot act I cheered a little cheer.

See, anyone who has ever been fat knows why Chris Christie was mad as hell at that doctor. They know because they risk having the experience that Chris Christie just had, every time they go to see a doctor. They get blood pressure medicine prescribed to them without having had their blood pressure checked. They get told that their sinus infection would go away if they just lost weight. Or there was that guy who was in the news a couple of weeks ago who nearly died because he had a brain tumor causing his weight gain and his doctors sent him home to diet and work out.

Something over 60% of Americans now fall into the CDC's "overweight" or "obese" categories. And I'm not sure if focusing on Chris Christie's fat is going to fly, because at this point too many of us have been where he is. I'm not sure it's not going to backfire.

The problem with the "ha-ha, fatty's eating a donut" approach to Chris Christie is that Chris Christie is observably energetic, capable of working long hours, and very effective at what he does. By Republican lights he's a pretty damn good governor, getting shit done, cutting budgets, halting public works projects, riling up unions, and the like. Until he got a little too chummy with President Obama during Hurricane Sandy, Chris Christie was one of the Republicans' great white hopes (Moby Dick jokes at your own peril) and it was for actual reasons.

Television can make the world seem like it belongs to the skinny and beautiful. In our real lives, though, outside the world of talking the most rude, obscene trash we can about strangers on the internet, we all know actual fat people. Some of us are fat people. Some of us love them. All the fat people in the world are not bedridden social isolates waiting for the crane to come and remove them from their beds through the window. They're our parents, spouses, neighbors and co-workers. And by and large (ha-ha, get it?) the fat people we know in daily life are just as effective as the skinny ones. They get their jobs done. We all probably know fat doctors, fat teachers, fat accountants, fat craftsmen, fat shopkeepers, fat bankers, fat chefs, fat policemen. We know that those people get their jobs done, day in and day out, while fat. Like Chris Christie.

All these people, who know that day to day they work hard and are not particularly encumbered by their fat, hear what Christie's detractors like to focus on and they're like "BITE ME" although some of them are probably more polite about it than that. Because they hear Chris Christie talk about how tough it's been for him to lose weight and they empathize. They KNOW. They have probably had the experience of putting themselves on a diet and gaining weight instead of losing. Or of successfully executing a calorie-restriction plan only to have the weight come back on when they go back to a more sustainable way of life.

Face it, for the last 30+ years, the medical establishment and the $60 billion per year weight loss industry lobbyists have been selling us a plan. That plan is calorie restriction, low fat, and shitloads of cardio exercise. During that time, Americans have exercised and dieted more than ever before. We have successfully cut back the fat in our diets (on average) by something like 10%. And also during that exact same time, by following that prescription, Americans have gotten fatter than ever before. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result; malevolence is marketing a medical intervention to the public knowing that it not only fails over 90% of the time, but may actually result in an effect opposite to what was intended. Weight loss, or more accurately, weight cycling, the vicious cycle of diet-lose-regain-diet, is an extremely profitable industry that would stand to lose if dieting was actually a successful intervention. Yet we completely fail to look at that industry and "follow the money" -- from the weight loss industry lobbyists in the room when the CDC revised its overweight threshholds down in the 90s, to the vast amount of money that is made by convincing Americans that the failure of dieting is their own personal fault rather than a systematic failure of the calorie restriction dieting intervention on a vast scale.

We fail to look at that -- and not only that, we fall into the highly socially acceptable pattern of fat shaming and concern trolling fat people, which is modeled for us by an industry that stands to make a $60 billion profit each year by keeping people scared to death about being fat.

And the thing is, people are slowly catching on that the whole thing is a scam that is unproductive for living your life. Scientists are catching on; even doctors are starting to catch on here and there. And as the counter-diet message gets stronger, there may, if we're lucky, be less and less tolerance for the type of weight-related bigotry (because admit it, you don't really care about Chris Christie's health, you just want to mock him) that I see on this site and elsewhere. People may realize that we're all being sold a bill of goods and it says "Weight Watchers" at the top.

I don't want Chris Christie to be President. Not one tiny bit. But I won't lie -- every time I come to a supposedly progressive site and I see him being bashed because he's fat (and not because he's a sucky evildoing Republican) I lose a little respect for that site, and I gain a little empathy for Chris Christie. I'm a hardcore partisan that would never vote for him in a million years, but the mushy middle -- with their mushy middles? (I'll be here all week) Aren't some of them in their heart of hearts going to be thinking "you go on with your hard-working fat self, Governor Christie"? Because I am thinking that and I don't even like the dude.

The way I figure it, one of two things is going to happen before 2016. Either Christie's going to discover Mark Sisson and become the highest-profile ever Primal Blueprint success story (or something) thereby becoming a hero and role model to millions in our culture that currently equates weight with virtue and valorizes weight loss, or he's (more likely) going to stay the way he is and he's going to have a phenomenal case of underdog syndrome heading into the race, fed by shitty people being shitty about his size while he goes on, demonstrably, competently doing his highly demanding job and demonstrably not dropping dead on a dime, just like millions of other fat people all over America. And either way, as a weight loss hero or a sympathetic everyman, he's going to be more dangerous than you think.

Edited to say:  wow, rec'd, thanks and obviously this struck a nerve for others as well. I added a few links this morning but the day job calls now...

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    Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

    by kismet on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:17:42 PM PST

  •  Concur. (95+ / 0-)

    This line of attack on Christie is misguided.

    He complained of a behavior, Fristian diagnosis, that is rightly HRable around here. Whether you approve of him or not, he is a skilled politician and knows that comments on his weight deflect attention from his policy choices without impacting his electability. He even allows fat jokes, 'if they're funny.'

    Corzine tried it and noone has heard from him since.

    •  We have to take Christie seriously (39+ / 0-)

      The guy is on track to crush the Democratic challenger in the next governor's election.
      That didn't happen because of his weight problem.
      However, any doctor can tell you (and Christie admitted that he and his doctor both worried about his weight) that someone that overweight is going to have serious health problems as they get older. That's been well documented and researched.
      I thought the doctor on TV was rather presumptuous and condescending, but I don't think she was wrong about him being a candidate for a heart attack or a stroke.

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      by skohayes on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:44:46 PM PST

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      •  The problem for me (26+ / 0-)

        is that I think everyone already knows what the health risks of obesity are.  So the doctor wasn't really offering some grand medical insight, just stamping conventional wisdom with a doctor's seal of approval.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:56:18 PM PST

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      •  Statistically (24+ / 0-)

        He has a higher chance of problems.  But, approximately 1/3 of fat people never have heart attacks (e.g. my dad who has had a gut all his life but whose arteries are clean as a whistle at 74) and a whole lot of skinny people DO.  So it's not as cut and dried as all that, and without knowing what's in Chris Christie's chart, what his cholesterol levels are, whether he's got the type A or type B LDL pattern, etc. I would not want to conclude that he's doomed or that he will be doomed.  If he's that weight and does not have T2D by now, he's probably not going to develop it.

        Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

        by kismet on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:58:03 PM PST

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        •  you are missing out some of the other consequences (11+ / 0-)

          such as diabetes.  He is statistically more likely to develop joint problems, hypercholesteremia, AODM etc.  Not to go Fristian (which I don't think the doctor did), but JFK and FDR both effectively minimized or concealed significant handicaps.  This would lead me to believe Christie is also concealing the long term effects of his lifestyle.

          After all anecdotes do not constitute data and while data cannot be confidently applied to individual cases, it does indicate the likelihood of certain events in a person's life  

          •  Lifestyle (20+ / 0-)

            again, fat shaming.

            No. Mister, it's not a lifestyle. For many of us, it's not a choice, either.

            The logical next step from your "lifestyle" remark is that we are to blame for everything that happens to us.

            And from there its a very tiny step to structural punishment, from civil rights to insurance rates.

            No, It's not a lifestyle, and rarely it's a choice.  Go to hell.

            •  Check the other comments (6+ / 0-)

              The commenter is also overweight

              There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

              by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:48:55 PM PST

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              •  disclaimer: my weight bounces between 265lbs (6+ / 0-)

                and 285 lbs.  I find the extra 20 lbs show up when I gorge on cokes and chocolate chip cookies and drops when I quit.  I have a yo yo effect currently, partially from some of my meds, so I alternate between anorexia where even the thought of eating nauseates me to gorging, where no matter the amount of food i consume, I am still ravenous.

                Therefore I understand the problems of weight control as my knees and ankles are shot, I have gout in both feet, have had HVD for decades and my triglycerides have been triple normal since 1976 or so and my doc tells me I am pre-diabetic.      

                •  what is HVD? (0+ / 0-)

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                  by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:48:24 PM PST

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                •  I'm right there with you. (5+ / 0-)

                  And I'm 60 years old, which means I'm both old and fat.
                  My back bothers me some, but I'm still able to ride a bike for 50 miles, walk 2-3 miles and even slowly run a mile.

                  My cholesteral, resting heart rate, and blood pressure are all good.

                  I keep working to lose that  100 lb (I used to be over 300lb, so a little bit of progress) because it would make a lot of things easier and probably improve my quality of life as I get older, but...

                  Isn't it interesting how the same problem (a pile of extra weight) can affect two individuals so differently?

                  It's not a matter of fault, it's a matter of genetics and biology.  People are complex. We vary.  Population statistics are very useful, but they can only tell us so much about individual cases.

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                  by dinotrac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:42:53 AM PST

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            •  The number of obese teens has increased (9+ / 0-)

              greatly in the past decades
              http://www.pamf.org/...
              In earlier years, more people were engaged in hard physical labor.  That is no longer true as people have more and more sedentary lifestyles (If you still plow 5 acres a day with a mule, I apologize or if you still split kindling for the fire, I apologize)
              In addition, people eat more high calorie foods with high refined sugar content.  http://www.usda.gov/...  Our grandparents rarely ate meat comparatively and ate many more fresh and preserved fruits and veggies.  Sweetness was derived from cane and from honey. (I still have a cane press).  While the meat consumed was usually fried and usually fatty, they also maintained much higher activity levels.

              Now if you deny your lifestyle is more sedentary and your diet more calorie and sugar rich than that of your great grandparents, then maybe whatever problems you have with weight is glandular.  OTOH until Americans examine their lifestyles and acknowledge that obesity has consequences, we are not going to solve the problem    

              •  they ate vegetables (1+ / 0-)
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                fruits and veggies.
                veggies is a fairly recent invention

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                by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:49:26 PM PST

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              •  Our grandparents generation frequently ate (3+ / 0-)
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                meat - but they ate far less of it.

                3 ounce burgers for lunch, not 8 oz.

                Two short strips of bacon with breakfast, not 3 or 4 double sized ones.

                A three pound chicken was dinner for 7 or 8 people, with enough left over for a good soup the next day.

                (Assuming we're talking about American grandparents who weren't completely destitute living between 1900 and 1970).

                But some people were pudgy back then, too.  

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                by JesseCW on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:57:48 AM PST

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                •  exactly and a lot more offal was used in the diet (1+ / 0-)
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                  I remember breakfasts of pig and calf brains or dinners of tongue or tail and suppers of liver or kidney.  Many of those organ meats were much richer in minerals and vitamins than the sirloin we value so much today

                  I would say the same about ciggies.  My grandfather smoked 2 ciggies per day; one when he ate lunch brought to him by a kid and at evening when he sat on the porch washing his feet.  he worked 6 days a week and did not smoke on Sunday so he smoked 12 ciggies per week.  Compare that to the 4 pack puffers I knew in the 60s and 70s  

                  •  Everyone has their own genetic predisposition (1+ / 0-)
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                    when it comes to tobacco addiction, but I certainly found I smoked a hell of a lot more when I smoked lights than when I smoked non-filters.

                    A pack of Camel bolts would last me three or four days.  When I started smoking filters I went up to a pack and a half a day right away.  It got worse later.

                    Cigarette for cigarette, they're equally deadly.  More tar in a non-filter, but people inhale really deeply with filtered smokes so they're just as damaging.

                    It was an eye opener to watch a PBS special on great hamburger stands, all of them 100 to 70 years old.  One of them was famous back in the 20's for huge burgers.

                    3.5 ounces before cooking.

                    Of course, their meat was all range fed, finished in a feed lot for only 4 to 6 weeks.  That made a difference too.

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                    by JesseCW on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:42:06 AM PST

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                    •  yep lotsa difference in range fed and grain fed (3+ / 0-)
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                      beef was not a substantial part of US diet until after Civil War which saw the advent of mega cattle ranches and the development of the railroads and extinction of buffalo.

                      These three events led to a radical change as before Americans depended on small farmstead animals such as pigs, goats and sheep for meat supplemented with wild meat and fish.  Cows were mainly kept for their milk and manure with any bull calves usually butchered at a year and half of age.  Cow calves were kept as replacement or traded or sold.  Look in any smokehouse of the era and you will find very little beef in comparison to the other meats there

                      •  Our beef and chicken consumption per person (1+ / 0-)
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                        has skyrocketed (nearly doubled) while our pork consumption has actually dropped about 20% (per person per year).

                        Beef historically ran about twice the price of pork.  Not anymore.

                        I'm not arguing that we need to eat more pork, just pointing out how much more of other meats we're now eating thanks to factory farming.

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                        by JesseCW on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:00:34 AM PST

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                        •  I could write so many diaries on factory (2+ / 0-)
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                          farming as it has taken over the chicken and pork industries and is now working on the beef industry.  We will soon see factory farms for beer which will leave only lamb.  This delights my youngest daughter as she developed a taste for woolies while she was in NZ

                •  I don't know about your grandparents. (1+ / 0-)
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                  My grandfather was born in 1900.  He grew up on a farm in North Dakota, and believe me those farmers didn't eat 3 oz servings of meat or share a 3-pound chicken with 6 or 7 other people.  That's pretty funny.  Maybe your grandparents had desk jobs.

                  I didn't know my grandfather until he was maybe 40, but when I was a kid he and my grandmother regularly ate large servings of steak and pork.  They ate many of their evening meals in restaurants.  

                  They ate lots of real butter, plenty of bread and desserts, and they used half and half on their cereal all their lives.  My grandfather smoked at least until he was in his 70s.  He was quite overweight, and his weight was mostly around his middle, especially in front.

                  He died at 94.  He never had heart trouble or a stroke.  The only serious health problem he ever had was skin cancer on his hands (he was a dentist in the days before modern knowledge about x-rays) and lip and throat cancer from smoking.  

            •  no, it's about running for president (1+ / 0-)
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              with an obviousl health problem

              •  works both ways (3+ / 0-)
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                Obama smoking is a health issue too

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                by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:36:20 PM PST

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                •  it is. (2+ / 0-)
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                  And you'll notice he doesn't exactly flaunt it. But having elected one president with a worrisome health issue doesn't make it right to elect another one.

                  "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                  by sidnora on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:55:36 PM PST

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                  •  I agree with that (2+ / 0-)
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                    But obesity is, by its nature, more visible than smoking.

                    It is also not right to give a pass to the medical profession for trivializing obesity when it is far from trivial

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                    by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:21:14 PM PST

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                  •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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                    why not?

                    I mean, one should avoid electing suicidal megalomaniacs, and others whose good judgment is medically impaired.

                    But beyond that?

                    Did Kennedy's troubles hurt the nation? FDR's wheelchair?

                    •  that would have excluded GWB and Reagan (0+ / 0-)

                      so it sounds like a good idea

                    •  As it turned out, (0+ / 0-)

                      Neither Kennedy's nor Roosevelt's physical problems hurt the nation, but we voted for them unawares, at least in Kennedy's case, and with the press working mightily to minimize the problems in Roosevelt's case.

                      If we are aware of a presidential candidate's health issues, at the very least it should make us far more concerned with who their running mate is. That's one of the reasons Sarah Palin cost McCain the presidency: he was and old man with a history of serious illness, and it was far too easy, and scary, to picture her in the WH.

                      Obama is a very fit young man with a clean bill of health, apart from one bad habit, and he has a competent vice president. He's not going to drop dead one day soon from smoking; if it has serious effects on his health he'll get emphysema or lung cancer in 15 or 20 years. Christie, OTOH, could literally drop dead one day. Who's going to be his running mate?

                      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                      by sidnora on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:08:19 PM PST

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                •  How do you know he smokes? (0+ / 0-)
                •  and it got just as much attention nt (0+ / 0-)

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                  by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:49:53 PM PST

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                •  So is being an African American male (0+ / 0-)

                  Roughly doubles his stroke risk compared to a causcasian male.

                  About the same increase, btw, as being obese.

                  Do you really want to say that African American men should not run for President because they might die in office?

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                  by dinotrac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:45:00 AM PST

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            •  You are completely correct. I agree with you 100% (13+ / 0-)

              My daughter is overweight, has an excellent diet, is not diabetic, and in fact is very healthy. My extremely obese grandmother lived into her 90's.
              Like my comment below stated, she goes to the doctor and the nutritionist says "cut out donuts and soft drinks" and she says "I never eat them." Then they give her a knowing grin and say something like "I know, I'm just telling you."

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              by shmuelman on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:00:54 PM PST

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              •  Yes, It's those (5+ / 0-)

                condescending attitudes which get me.

                Not so much from medical people, but when they come from family.  Yes, I should loose 15-20 lbs.  But when 12 family members sit around at a 80th Birthday Party at a restaurant and almost all are making oblique or not so oblique comments about people who are overweight, it really builds resentment.  

                Especially when the faults of many of the commentators are smoking, drinking too much or a history of making mean comments.  So you sit there and take it, because you love your 80 yo uncle enough that you don't get up from the table, either noisily or quietly, and make a scene.  

                However, you remember, and someday will strike back.  

                If 60% of the people in this country are overweight, then Christie will win just with the identifying vote.

          •  However, it won't keep him from being elected (7+ / 0-)

            President. Everyone knows obesity is a health problem.
            However, it is not necessarily a political problem for Christie and trying to make it one could radically backfire.
            I think he's a likeable enough loudmouth Republican, but I don't want to see him made President.
            Let's beat him on his policy decisions.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:43:52 PM PST

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          •  Entlord--He might never develop Diabetes (10+ / 0-)

            He may have been born with Hyperinsulinism. That right there causes all sorts of problems, including weight, but not diabetes.

            He may have a thyroid problem.

            He may have been exposed to certain pesticides as a child or even be the child of someone so exposed. Those can lead to endocrine problems.

            He may have a wal- in closet full  of Jelly Doughnuts, but at the end of the day--Does that matter?

            He was voted into office by people who want him in charge of their state. His fat is a non-issue.

            •  then let us separate health from weight (3+ / 0-)
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              in the discussion; it seems people are taking various health risks personally.  Excess weight is a health risk the same as excess drinking or smoking or driving without a seatbelt.  So long as it is treated as a health risk, why is it a verboten subject?

              After all, we have had presidents with health problems who concealed the extent of those problems (JFK, FDR and Reagan come immediately to mind) and the question is to what extent does the public deserve to know about the health of its elected officials, esp the POTUS?

              •  Because the way weight is treated. (4+ / 0-)

                The consensus that it is a health risk that will cause premature death is something that goes back and forth. I see more problems with the Diet Drugs that kill livers, than I do with simply being overweight.

                Even cholesterol reducing drugs have serious side effects that can reduce life expectancy and shorten the length of life considerably.

                When weight is a medical issue, sometimes it goes hand in hand with other serious health problems that need treatment. Sometimes it doesn't.

                Sometimes its important to treat in order to improve quality of life, and sometimes it isn't.

                It's an iffy thing. But most of the time, it's used to stigmatize people professionally and socially, so that millions of insecure souls can feel better about themselves, or perhaps benefit from stigmatizing someone in some fashion.

                Premature death might mean someone croaks in their 70s rather than 80s or 90s. So is it worth it to torture a human being in the hopes of adding 10 years to their life? Because the weight gain as often as not might also be simply a symptom of some more serious, harder to treat condition.

                I repeat. If you want to bring our collective weight down as a nation--

                1. Make sure every community has bike lanes and sidewalks.

                2. Better planning to eliminate urban sprawl.

                3. End subsidies to sugar so that it's not dumped by the ton into every food we buy in the store.

                4. Create a living wage, so people have the money to buy better food.

                5. End time poverty, so that people have the time to get some kind of exercise.

                But understand there will always be people who are overweight even in a perfect utopian society. Metabolism is unique to each individual.

                •  I agree with you but to do what you suggest (3+ / 0-)
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                  means a radical restructuring of society that the Powers that Be will oppose.  
                  Personally, I have considered a stationary bike to increase my activity level but I have been up and down with sciatica since bringing in a package the postman left on the deck.  I am afraid that cycling's repetitive motion will fire off the sciatica which will lay me up even more.
                  However decreasing my weight may give me an extra 10 years to enjoy my granddaughters.  As it is, except for my paternal grandfather, all the males in my direct line of descent died ages 60-62.  According to my genetics, I am at the end of my string  

                  •  Sciatica is awful. It is debilitating for many (3+ / 0-)
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                    people. Two things that helped me with that:

                    1. Finally treating PCOS--because that was triggering the Sciatica

                    2. Yoga

                    After that, being able to walk and stand upright went a long way to allowing me to get exercise.

                    If you have access to a pool, water aerobics might also be a possibility.

                    •  unfortunately I am in the boonies with nearest (1+ / 0-)
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                      neighbor a mile away and all the pools have fish and otters and turtles in them.  My problem is that if I find a way to deal with one problem, comorbidities crop up, such as gout or nerve damage or a pinched nerve.  I fear I am a walking textbook of neurological morbidities

              •  Excess weight is "taking risks"? (2+ / 0-)
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                If you spend much time with the science, you'll learn that we have a terrible time combatting obesity.  

                A few people succeed.
                Most fail and they fail because it's damned hard to do.

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                by dinotrac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:49:15 AM PST

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          •  When did you test his blood sugar? (0+ / 0-)

            "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

            by JesseCW on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:52:01 AM PST

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        •  I don't know about that (6+ / 0-)

          There's a reason why you don't see a lot of old people who are obese. And let's be perfectly clear here, Christie is obese.

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          by Jeff Y on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:25:00 PM PST

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        •  You don't know how clean your dad's arteries are (4+ / 0-)
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          And the thing is, people are slowly catching on that the whole thing is a scam that is unproductive for living your life.
          That's a quote from your diary.
          It's dangerous and wrong. Completely and totally wrong.
          To be that overweight is bad for the body - period. If you can't admit that you're not living in the real world.
          You're like the folks that deny climate change.
          And don't talk to me about the prejudice against fat people. I've been plenty fat and I've been thin. There is prejudice against fat people.
          But to say that being fat is not a serious health hazard is dangerous thing to say - because the opposite is true.
          This diary contains so many bizarre false hoods it's difficult to know where to start. It sounds like an alcoholic's denial rant.
          Fat kills.
          Christie is in much greater danger of health problems then someone who is not fat like him. That's a fact.
          You don't have to be a doctor to know that.
          You just have to live in the real world.
          •  Yes, but should all us overweight monsters be (7+ / 0-)

            shunned? Should we be publicly shamed for not adhering to your standards of physical attraction? Should we be fired from our jobs, or kept from achieving our dreams because for whatever reason we got fat?

            Are you suggesting that we be flogged daily with words from people about being fat?

            Should I give up now and become a shut in?

            •  Your post is completely out of line (4+ / 0-)

              I never said anything you say in your post.
              I never implied anything you say in your post.
              You make up fake arguments to speak against.

              Yes, but should all us overweight monsters be shunned?

              Never even implied that.
              Should we be publicly shamed for not adhering to your standards of physical attraction?
              Again - never mentioned or implied.
              Should we be fired from our jobs, or kept from achieving our dreams because for whatever reason we got fat?
              Once again - never mentioned or implied.
              Are you suggesting that we be flogged daily with words from people about being fat?
              Holy moly - never mentioned or implied.
              Should I give up now and become a shut in?
              How about if you just read my post and respond to what I actually said?
              Fat kills.
              Christie is in much greater danger of health problems then someone who is not fat like him. That's a fact.
              You don't have to be a doctor to know that.
              You just have to live in the real world.
              How about you respond to that?
              •  Seriously think about this topic (6+ / 0-)

                If it's okay to question someone's professional abilities due to their weight--then where will it end?

                Think about how this affects the person you are targeting. You don't have to like them or agree with them to see them as a human being.

                But if they are fat, will you see them as a peer?

                I see a lot of assumptions about how people get fat and why they stay fat on this entire thread. But not one person has come forward to say that they are Gov Christie, or they personally live with him--and have the kind of personal experience with him in their lives to give any of us, any kind of actual insight, and that includes the bad doctor who spoke out of turn about a person who is not her patient.

                You and the others here have spoken of Christie and other Obese and fat and overweight individuals as if we are not here.

                •  I wan't talking about the doctors comments (1+ / 0-)
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                  I was talking about the diary.
                  The diarist says that the entire "fat kills" message from the medical community is a scam. That's really dangerous talk. It's just not true. And someone might actually believe what is in this diary.
                  As to the separate issue you raised--
                  I'm fat right now - 50 pounds over weight. That's obese.
                  I was 85 pounds over weight.
                  I lost 80 pounds and then gained back 50.
                  So I know what it's like to be fat. I know about the prejudices.
                  I also know about ageism. Why do I bring that up?
                  Because there's a lot talk about Joe Biden running for president in 2016. I actually liked him better than Obama in 2008.
                  But I won't vote for him again - too old.
                  I wouldn't vote for Christie for dog catcher but if I liked his politics I would be very concerned about his health.
                  But that is a unique job - the presidency.
                  And it's not questioning his abilities. It's questioning his life expectancy. That's just reality.

                  •  It is a scam. (5+ / 0-)

                    I am fat. I have perfect stats. I have had to wrestle with my weight all of my life. And not one of these genius doctors, except for one, took the time to tell me why. And then not one of the genius doctors I encountered after the fact, believed the diagnosis.

                    So I am tired of the scam. I do eat right. I do exercise. I do this more than any of the thinner people I know, except for hard core runners and weight lifters. I would be right there with them, but I have kids now and that eats a lot of my free time.

                    I am tired of the scam. Christie is tired of the scam. There are millions of people who hurt everyday, because they will never achieve the "look" everyone thinks will make you healthy, and they have to live with that stigma and pay and pay and pay every time they leave their house or go on a date,  or visit a medical professional.

                    I come from a long line of people who live to be well into their late 80s, 90s and even some 100s--some of those people lived the longest, before this modern era of miraculous medicine.

                    I will focus on how I look to a point. But after so many years, when to I get to just let that go and focus on something else? When do I get to exit the fat-olympic training scam? When do I just get to live like everyone else, without having to devote every ounce of energy to trying to get skinny?

                    WHEN?

                    When do you stop judging me via this false medical diagnosis? When do you stop needing to feel superior to the poor fat person and just let it go and see me as a human being?

                    Because this is an intensely personal conversation. And it pisses me off just the same as those intense conversations about sluttiness [another medical problem], rape, and other gynecological issues piss me off.

                    Because this is just as personal. Being fat is all tied into one's feelings of attractiveness on a very deep level, and it already causes issues, but the best part is when others pile on, as if I don't know every day when I look into the mirror what is going on, that I am fat, that I am not how you would have me to be.

                    And that bleeds over into how people see your effectiveness as a worker --case in point--here. It bleeds over in how people judge you in court ---what happens to fat women if they go to court? It bleeds over into everything.

                    It's a scam and I am tired of it.

                    •  It's a scam and the world is flat (0+ / 0-)

                      and there is no climate change and the is no such thing as evolution.
                      Oh - and we didn't land on the moon either.
                      Tying anti-fat prejudice to conclusive scientific proof of the destructive effects of being over weight is the real scam.

                    •  BTW (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't appreciate false personal attacks like this:

                      When do you stop judging me via this false medical diagnosis? When do you stop needing to feel superior to the poor fat person and just let it go and see me as a human being?
                      I never said anything about you or your weight. In fact I mentioned in my both of my posts that I am aware of the anti-fat-people prejudice because I'm overweight.
        •  Christie is more than "just fat".... (1+ / 0-)
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          he is beyond a "little" overweight don't you think?

      •  when he told her she needs to "shut up" (32+ / 0-)

        a lot of people shook there head in appreciation...myself included.

        I agree with everything the diarist here has written.  You might say that Christie's style is too abrasive...too "New Jersey"...too whatever.  You know what it really is?  Too refreshingly honest.

        You know what I find abrasive?  Senators who obviously loathe and detest each other, yet who insist upon the treakly insincere pretense of addressing each other as "my good friend", or "my colleague".

        Christie is not polished, but he has a schtick that could very well work for him.  Cause I don't think it's a schtick.  It's who he is.  People will agree to disagree with you if they feel like they know who you really are.  On the other hand (remember Mitt Romney???), they won't give you the benefit of the doubt if they think you are not genuine.

        Chris Christie is genuine.  That is a formidable quality, no matter what your waistline looks like.

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        by Keith930 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:08:18 PM PST

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        •  Genuine showboating bully (28+ / 0-)

          Christie's a hack. One of George W.'s appointees rewarded for raising money for his campaign. Refreshingly honest? He'd just a loudmouthed bully. Though I do agree the doctor's comments were out of line and Christie had a right to be critical of them.

        •  I Don't Give A Shit (19+ / 0-)

          how much Christie weighs, and I didn't care when he told the doc to "shut up".

          It was when he went the next step and called her to chew her out-- with this act he blew it and showed everyone watching that he is nothing but a bully who is unfit to be POTUS.

          No doubt he could be a formidable candidate, but he doesn't have the temperament to be the President.  His lack of control and thin skin should be used against him relentlessly.  It isn't the first time, or the last, that he has shown he lacks the self control necessary for the leader of the free world.

        •  Genuine jerk! Springsteen = NJ blue-collar mensch (4+ / 0-)

          A person may be born to be bald, left-handed, diabetic or gay, but being a jerk is a choice.  

          "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" -W.B. Yeats

          by LucyandByron on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:37:34 PM PST

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        •  You obviously don't live in NJ. (7+ / 0-)

          This guy has cost the states millions. His veto on raising taxes on the rich had the city with the worst crime rate laying off police officers.

          He killed the tunnel project that will cost the state billions in lost revenue and over 10,000 jobs.

          He hates our education system so bad that he sabotaged a grant for the school system. Let's not forget his war on teachers in the state.

          Don't look now but  it looks like he's giving contracts for Sandy Relief to those who gave to his campaign.

          "The governor has also been under scrutiny for the political connections of another disaster cleanup company, AshBritt Inc. Later this month, Christie is scheduled to attend a fund-raising event for his gubernatorial campaign at an AshBritt lobbyist's home in Virginia."

          articles.philly.com/2013-02-08/news/36995289_1_christie-spokeswoman-maria-comella-relief-money-sandy-aid-package

          If Conservatism was so great you would think they could find a sane person to represent it. Since the only people who represent it seem to be insane. I'm waiting for the day conservatism is labeled a mental illness

          by SharksBreath on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:10:18 AM PST

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        •  Since when is (2+ / 0-)
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          being an obnoxious bully considered refreshingly honest???  Seriously?  As an educator if I used that "refreshingly honest" tone with any student or parent I would be on the carpet, in the news and lose my job.  As a public employee whose job is to serve the needs of the public/taxpayers, I have to respect them all (and I want to even though it is not always easy, especially if some parent is accusing you of being unfair, being a liar yadayada).  Well, Christie's job also is to serve and represent ALL constituents.  Yes, some are rude, obnoxious, etc.   That does not give Christie or anyone else the right to bully and intimidate.

          As for his weight, whether he was the nicest person in the world or the obnoxious bully that he is, his obesity would be an issue to be discussed.  If he had had a bout with cancer; if he had MS or any chronic illness it would be an issue open for discussion, just as Obama's smoking was.   It is what it is.  You run for the presidency and your health matters.  Obesity is a health issue and that is a fact supported by research and reality.

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          by Jjc2006 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:42:26 AM PST

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        •  As a New Jerseyan, I totally agree (3+ / 0-)
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          I was born and raised in NJ, and I'm very far politically from Chris Christie.

          But you know what?  When the Atlantic City mayor told residents to stay put against the recommendation of the Governor during Hurricane Sandy, and then the city gets entirely flooded, Gov. Christie scolded him live in a news conference.

          And I loved it.  Because that level of stupid from the AC mayor needs to be called out.  If you're a moron and in NJ, we like to call you a fucking moron (and emphasis on including the "fucking").  We're sick of people dancing around calling someone out to their face if they truly are acting like a total and complete fuck up.  So that's why Christie plays well in NJ.

          It's a little weird, but I actually do find myself sometimes liking the personality of Christie.  Maybe it's because he's such an opposite person from the bland Corzine, but I think it's because he is refreshingly blunt about things.  I wouldn't vote for him, but I just can't level as much "Haterade" on him compared to someone like Romney or Boehner.

          It is done. Four More Years.

          by mconvente on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:39:13 AM PST

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      •  Really now? They tell you lots of things... (9+ / 0-)

        What about Jim Fixx and all those runners and bicycle racers who die in their fifties? My grandmother was morbidly obese and lived until 92. In fact, it is better to be overweight than underweight after a certain age, as it helps if you get a serious illness.
        Statistically speaking, being "overweight" (meaning being measured against some norm) will increase your risk of diabetes and heart disease, but how much of that is due to bad diet, rather than being overweight per se? I wonder.

        "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

        by shmuelman on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:56:53 PM PST

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        •  Also the obesity paradox (9+ / 0-)

          which has been shown now in at least 4 large epidemiological studies.  For people with heart disease, the fatter you are, if you have either of these conditions, the longer you are liklier to survive.  This doesn't just go for normal vs anorexic or extremely thin, but for fat vs normal, or obese vs pleasantly plump.  In all cases the fatter you are the longer you seem to survive.  The doctors really don't want to admit these studies exist, but they do, and they have large sample sizes and are more carefully researched to try to account for potential  confounders than much published epidemiological research I have read (and I have to read a lot of these studies for work).  

          The main reason I believe they are likely to be accurate is that the conclusions are so counter-intuitive to the "thin is best" baloney that is crammed down our throats all the time that I am sure the study reviewers turned themselves inside out trying to find flaws with the studies.

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          by barbwires on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:54:28 PM PST

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        •  The "norm"? (2+ / 0-)
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          The guy weighs over 400 lbs.  That's well beyond a standard deviation.  C'mon.

        •  The plural of anecdote (0+ / 0-)

          is not data.
          your grandmother may have lived until she was 92, but that doesn't disprove the reams of evidence pointing to the contrary for most people who weigh 350 + pounds.
          The single best predictor for Type 2 diabetes is being obese or overweight.
          Being obese increases your chances for a heart attack or stroke by several factors.

          "Obese, middle-aged men have a 60% increased risk of dying from a heart attack than non-obese middle-aged men, even after we cancel out any of the effects of cholesterol, blood pressure and other cardiovascular risk factors," noted study author Jennifer Logue, a clinical lecturer of metabolic medicine with the British Heart Foundation's Cardiovascular Research Centre at the University of Glasgow, in Scotland. "This means (that) obesity itself may be causing fatal heart attacks through a factor that we have not yet identified."
          http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/...

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          by skohayes on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 02:53:06 AM PST

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          •  Cool. (1+ / 0-)
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            A random middle-aged man plucked from the population of obese men is 60% more likely to die of a heart attack than a random middle-aged man plucked from the population of non-obese men.

            But this thread didn't start as a discussion about a random man plucked from the general population of obese men.

            And it didn't start with a doctor making general comments about obesity.

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            by dinotrac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:58:49 AM PST

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      •  He bailed them out. Of course they are grateful. (1+ / 0-)
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        Christie is just another dumb Republican, and  nobody wants him in office for anything except the people of New Jersey.  

        Americans could care about Christie and his weight.   He's just another ignorant Republican, and he shouldn't be in the job, first and foremost, because he's just too stupid. When he wanted government money, his was the whine heard round the globe.  Now that he has it, he's back to fuck everyone else.  

        Christie lacks self-control and has an anger problem.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:58:50 AM PST

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    •  no one actually attacked him (17+ / 0-)

      typical hair on fire 'i'm a victim' reaction

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      by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:11:43 PM PST

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    •  If the physician spoke in generalities, she has (9+ / 0-)

      Science and Statistics to support her

      Just looking at pictures of him, I think it is safe to conclude that Mr. Christie is not "overweight" - but rather "obese" (BMI>30), and probably of a higher level of obesity than just on the edge.  While there is actually evidence that being "overweight" might actually be good for longevity, once you cross the threshold into obesity, it goes the other way pretty quickly.

      So regardless of Christie's exact medical history, medical science does conclude that folks who or medically defined as "obese" do in fact have shorter lives and more medical problems.

      •  She didn't speak in generalities (8+ / 0-)

        She wasn't talking about people in general who are heavy (to various degrees) and who take on high-pressure jobs, and what, in her opinion, might be the consequences. That would have been perfectly okay.

        She named a specific person and speculated about his date of death should he be elected president.

        If Chris Christie runs in the primaries, he should release his medical report on his health at that time.

        Until then, his own physicians should maintain confidentiality, and other physicians should refrain from trying to diagnose him in public.

        •  Here is what she said (as best I could find) (4+ / 0-)
          “It’s something we worry about at the White House constantly,” Mariano said before mentioning what he’s at risk of at his weight. “He is at risk of a heart attack at that size, he could have sleep apnea, stroke, high blood pressure, diabetes. And coming to the White House, which is a pressure cooker and there is more stress involved, long hours, lots of travel, which makes those things worse unless they were healthier.”

          Mariano, who now has a private practice treating executives in Scottsdale, said if Christie does want to run for president, the issues will “constantly haunt him during the presidency and the rest of his life.”

          “When you see somebody like that who may have a shortened life span because of their obesity,” Mariano said. “We are all compassionate towards him … there is no magic pill.”

          I don't see her diagnosing .... I see her stating generic and common risks associated with significant obesity ... the same way a physician might comment on the risks of a fair skinned person spending time outside in the tropics without sunscreen.  You might not get a melanoma ... but you are at higher risk .....
          •  Excuse me? All of those references to "he" (3+ / 0-)
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            are exactly that. "He" is ill in a way that could lead to all sorts of problems.

            He is a specific person and she was expressing what amounts to a diagnosis of ill health.

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            by dinotrac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:01:47 AM PST

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            •  Whatever. since all was couched in probabilities (0+ / 0-)

              I simply disagree with your conclusion that she was "diagnosing" anything other than the visually obvious - that he is, by all odds, somewhere between medically obese and medically morbidly obese.

    •  I don't think there was a diagnosis. (9+ / 0-)

      Christie mischaracterized it as such.  What I heard the physician say was that he had a higher risk for heart and other health problems because of his weight.  He does.

      I cannot imagine he will do well on the national stage if he's that thin skinned.

    •  I'm a dude who's 5'2 (7+ / 0-)

      and i allow short jokes if their funny to, but some are just tired and played out and it gets annoying as hell

    •  Oh, bullshit (6+ / 0-)

      This diary claims doctors prescribe blood pressure meds without taking blood pressure.  Citation?  No.

      Nobody is disputing that Christie is morbidly obese.  Folks are chiding him for lacking a thick skin.  Anyone read Maureen Dowd's endless mocking of President Obama's ears?

      Is anyone here really willing to argue that being morbidly obese is healthy?  Or not a consideration that millions of Americans will have if he runs for President?

      I thought this was a reality based community.  Is Christie a talent politician?  Yes.  Is calling a doctor at her home to bitch at her privately after he has done so publicly unhinged?  Yes.  

      •  I think you are missing the point (3+ / 0-)
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        Mocking his obesity has a possibility of backfiring.  It can seem like he's getting picked on and garner sympathy, which will undermine the bully meme.  The diarist is a committed Democrat and feels some sympathy.  That tells me there would be a lot of persuadable voters out there who would feel the same way.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:23:29 PM PST

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    •  It's a teachable moment. Welcome to Planet Female! (5+ / 0-)
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    •  We should take Christie seriously by all means (0+ / 0-)

      but I don't agree that the comments on his weight deflect attention from his policy choices without affecting his electability.  I think his weight affects his electability negatively and in part because so much attention is paid to it.  Chritie's fame reveals vast public prejudice based on weight that cannot be ignored.  Even on this very sight, the ugliness of the weight commentary is astounding.   I actually think it makes Christie unelectable to higher office.

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      by helfenburg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:25:12 AM PST

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    •  It was not 'Fristian diagnosis'. (0+ / 0-)

      'Fristian diagnosis' is diagnosing something you can't possibly diagnose from the level of exposure you have a patient.  Frist tried to diagnose something he simply didn't have the proper amount of information to diagnose, because he tried to infer actual brain physiology from behaviour.  Had the videotapes he'd seen been of brain scans of various sorts (and if he wasn't a quack who was pushing ideology) he could have correctly diagnosed Schiavo without having met her.  Telepresence is coming to medicine.

      Any MD could look at Christie from 2 feet, 30 feet, out the window, on TV or anywhere else they could actually see him and tell you he was either obese, or shoving a ton of pillows into his clothing.  And an MD who had served as a Presidential doctor for several administrations, and knew about the extreme stresses placed on Presidents by their schedules could then add that chances are far higher that a morbidly obese person placed into such a schedule would be far more likely to have serious acute medical conditions arise as a result.

    •  i would never mock gov. christie because he's (0+ / 0-)

      morbidly obese, or anyone else for that matter, and i haven't seen many do it here. oddly enough kismet, you neglected to link to the diary in question, so we have only your word to take for it.

      no, i mock gov. christie for many things: he's a hypocrite, he's a bully, he's a loudmouthed asshole (in fairness, this could also describe me). being terribly (and probably dangerously) overweight isn't one of them. what's even scarier about christie, is that he's a republican for convenience sake, not because he well & truly believes in all their latter-day, ignorant bullshit. he's shown hints of this: chewing out a reporter, for asking if a recent appointee worried him, because the man's religion is muslim. chewing out fellow republicans, for voting against hurricane sandy relief, as his constituents shivered in the cold, wet and dark. aside from the politics, i got the sense he was truly, personally affronted, on behalf of "his" people, whatever income level, gender or race they happened to be. props to him.

      i could almost kind of see christie as potential GOP nominee, for president, but having to accept a tea party whackjob as vp, to get the nomination. trust me, this is especially where i don't mock his weight, because his weight, and the potential health issues, would then become a serious national concern, because that tea party whackjob could (like sarah palin) be one missed heartbeat from the presidency, should christie be elected. if that doesn't scare you, it damn well should.

      but no, mocking him for his weight, is the last thing on my list, to mock him for. in fact, as a fellow, concerned human being, i sincerely hope that he gets some help, to lose some of that weight, and reduce the stress on his heart. just for his own health. i bet his family would be tickled.

  •  It is unseemly (2+ / 0-)
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    But it's also why he won't win the TV beauty pageant either.  It's too embedded in the psyche of the voters.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:31:20 PM PST

  •  He's an evil RW radical that's all I need to know (2+ / 0-)
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    Why not laugh at him? He is worthy of scorn & derision. Yeah, he's dangerous, got it.

  •  Great sigline: (7+ / 0-)
    Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?
    We've had at least one extremely fat president (Taft) and at least one extremely disabled president (FDR) and many others with great disabilities (such as JFK).

    Christie is a serious candidate.  Forgive me, but I think he would beat Hillary, if she runs and is nominated.

    •  Yeah, that'a from Amitav Ghosh (4+ / 0-)
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      River of Smoke -- it's part of a fantastic trilogy of books about the opium trade.

      I hope he wouldn't beat Hillary.  NIGHTMARE.

      Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

      by kismet on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:48:06 PM PST

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    •  Hmmm (8+ / 0-)

      I don't think he would beat Hillary because of issues like choice, taxes,marriage equality etc. The country is leaning more towards the Democratic platform. (And the Republicans have a way of running around saying crazy sexist, racist, homophobic shit when they try to run for office.)

      Christie would be a strong candidate- really the only viable candidate the Rs have. I think Hillary could beat him...with the right campaign team. Good Lord, I hope she could!

      As far as his weight, that is Christie's business...not mine.
      I agree with the diarist.
      Sadly though, if his hair were like Newt's or Edward's, I'd be right there making fun of it.

      •  Makes me wonder - (1+ / 0-)
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        If Hillary Clinton puts on weight during the campaign again, is that  a"health issue we should discuss"?

        'Cause 5 years ago mentioning her weight gain was horribly sexist.

        Not directed at you in any way, you're clear on what matters, but I wonder if people are really seeing the precedent they're laying down here.

        Blades cut both ways.

        "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

        by JesseCW on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:33:10 AM PST

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    •  you do? Obama voters will vote for Christie? (2+ / 0-)
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      I don't think so

    •  How about "if *he* gets nominated"? (3+ / 0-)
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      First, I think Hillary would win, and second, I'm not so sure that a guy from New Jersey is necessarily a shoe-in to lead the Confederate party.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:19:48 PM PST

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  •  I agree, its a distraction at best (18+ / 0-)

    Kind of like the crying Boehner pictures.  Let's worry about actions, not superfluous nonsense.  Leave that to the low info voters who pick the guy with the best hair.  We should hold ourselves to a higher standard.

    FWIW, I agree that there is too much of a focus on diet as opposed to exercise.  I lost a ton of weight when I became a waiter.  I didn't watch what I ate, if anything I ate less healthy, but I did do a job that required a lot of physical exertion and lost forty pounds.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:38:40 PM PST

    •  Regarding weightloss (6+ / 0-)

      My experience was the opposite.  I finally started losing weight when I started eating fruit and potatoes and noodles and no more fried shit, etc...

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:41:43 PM PST

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      •  I think we're going to find (18+ / 0-)

        It's different for everyone.  I gained weight like a mofo as a vegetarian and lost weight when I cut out a lot of carbs, even so-called healthy ones.  And I've observed firsthand the phenomenon of putting on weight around one's middle due to indulgence in excess cardio.  Hopefully science will do a better job of getting this stuff figured out and maybe even personalized a little bit.

        Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

        by kismet on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:50:23 PM PST

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        •  I would like that link. (2+ / 0-)
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          And I've observed firsthand the phenomenon of putting on weight around one's middle due to indulgence in excess cardio.
          Only if your body is compensating for dehydration or malnutrition or building muscle.
          •  Actually it's related (0+ / 0-)

            to stress/cortisol/adrenal function. If you torch your adrenals doing too much high intensity cardio, you put on weight in a very specific pattern around the abdomen. I hang out with zumba fanatics and you can tell by looking who's going to five classes a week -- and not because they're "ripped".

            Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

            by kismet on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:13:06 AM PST

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      •  No one size fits all approach (5+ / 0-)

        I do not want to give the impression that diet is not a factor.  For some people it is obviously more important.

        The people I know who struggle with weight tend to focus on diet almost exclusively, which I sympathize with.  Since eating is something you do no matter what, changing eating habits seems easier than finding the time to exercise.  But that is deceiving, I think in the end it is easier to sustain an exercise routine than a lifelong change in diet.

        I offer this simply as my own opinion limited by my own experience and observation, I'm no expert.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:50:59 PM PST

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        •  toleration (11+ / 0-)

          The problem with exercise is you have to tolerate it.

          I had plenty of energy when I was young.

          Now I am older not so much.  And doing something you despise can play into depression.

          I despair of stupid doctors who cannot grasp all the issues and think they are "helping" just by providing condemnation

          Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

          by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:42:11 PM PST

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          •  Well, dieting is no fun either. I guess (2+ / 0-)
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            those 'stupid' doctors and are just out of luck then, eh?

            No one deserves to be mocked or shamed, but you also don't deserve a 'fun' way to get somewhere you want to in life. Like, not being obese, for example.

            I see what you did there.

            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:47:27 PM PST

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          •  They know they're not helping. (4+ / 0-)

            Furthermore, those doctors who sneer and parrot the conventional wisdom - just eat less and exercise more - aren't interested in helping.  They don't think "help" is needed.  They see it as a pull yourself up by your bootstraps thing, and they have nothing but contempt for those who fail.  As if everyone's body chemistry weren't unique.  You know - the way Republicans tell poor people they'd just be rich if they weren't so lazy.  

            •  What sort of 'help' do you think there is? (1+ / 0-)
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              Besides lifestyle change advice, re: obesity? If they refuse to test for a thyroid issue or something that they can give you drugs to help with, then I would totally understand that, but that seems to be malpractice.

              I see what you did there.

              by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:00:06 PM PST

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              •  For 50 years the medical establishment (1+ / 0-)
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                wouldn't conduct tests of diet options besides low fat.  Of course, that was after tests in the '40 and '50s that showed people on a low fat diet dying at a higher rate than those on a normal diet.  One in 1948/49 trumpeted the lower cholesterol of the folks on the low-fat diet.  They just didn't mention that 35 of those on the low-fat diet and only 6 on the normal diet died. Ask any hairdresser what happens to a customer that goes on a real low-fat diet.  Their hair drops out and their fingernails indicate poor health.

                Then you have the guy at Harvard who took a statistically insignificant difference in death rates to push for a meat-free diet.  He had no proof, but believed.

                There are researchers now that are finally starting to actually test diets in a controlled environment.  That is why you are seeing conflicting results.  Lots of the results are complied studies based based on "Oh, I though I ate this yesterday" diet studies and not real controlled diets.  

              •  They do refuse! (4+ / 0-)
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                Just like not telling women what options are available for birth control, doctors do not tell us what options are available for testing, for weight problems.

                Do you really truly believe that all these people just get fat magically?

                Women are more likely to have thyroid problems after giving birth, but doctors don't treat us for it or even test for it.

                That's just one example.

                Just one, and there are so many more.

                And giving someone advice for lifestyle changes, without taking into account, whether or not there are sidewalks, or if their area is safe to walk in, whether they have the hours available after work to work out more, etc., what kind of groceries are available, and if they have the money to truly buy healthy.

                You get a half hour from work for lunch. Guess what you will be eating.

                If you make low wages, you buy food that stores well, and that isn't fresh fruit. You buy food that is cheap, and that also is not fresh.

                There is so much more to this issue than anyone wants to admit.

      •  Commercial Food Has Changed During the Time (12+ / 0-)

        Americans became obese, one factor nobody can debate is portion sizes have risen in meals, carryouts, beverages and such.

        I don't know that we're doing more exercise. I wouldn't disagree that there are definitely more people doing deliberate exercise, but it seems to me going back 40-50 years we may be significantly more sedentary overall. That could be a factor.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:36:42 PM PST

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        •  Absolutely right on both counts. (0+ / 0-)

          But if we're going to blame portion sizes and ingredients, then we have to accept that food intake is a big piece of the pie here, no pun intended.

          I see what you did there.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:46:27 PM PST

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          •  But also ingredient. Food companies put so much (5+ / 0-)
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            sugar in everything. The average American is taking in 150 lbs of sugar when they should be getting 40 to 50 tops. Read a can of stewed tomatoes in a regular grocer. It has sugar added to it!

            It's in everything, and is often the largest ingredient on the label.

            You are criticizing, time-strapped people who are under paid, who do not get great medical benefits--if any, and you are criticizing them for not wanting to run a marathon or being a zumba class, after working 8 to 12 hours or more of regular work --some who also care for families when they come home.

            When are we supposed to sleep?

            And who pays for the Gym?

            BAD CITY PLANNING
            NO SIDEWALKS
            CRAPPY SUGAR INFESTED FOOD
            +
            ENDOCRINE DISRUPTING CHEMICALS
            DRUGS

            We don't all work at Google man.

            You can get fat, in the military, because it can stress you out to such a degree, that your body will not comply. They can't work your ass out hard enough to make you loose the weight. Hello my friend cortisol. I bet that is a lot more common in the civilian world than a lot of people realize too.

        •  I would bet we're exercising less (3+ / 0-)
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          in terms of daily activities while "exercising" (at gym) more, but not enough to make up for sitting all day.

          "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

          by Alice in Florida on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:23:54 PM PST

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        •  Exercise, portions, etc. and sugar (4+ / 0-)

          consumption.

          Refined Sugar Consumption Trends in Past 300 Years:

          In 1700, the average person consumed about 4 pounds of sugar per year.
          In 1800, the average person consumed about 18 pounds of sugar per year.
          In 1900, individual consumption had risen to 90 pounds of sugar per year.
          In 2009, more than 50 percent Americans consume 1/2 pound of sugar per day, which is 180 pounds of sugar per year

          .

          this website.

  •  The Additional Point (14+ / 0-)

    Is that when he's doing a pretty admirable job of running on the, "stop the hate" politics, going after him on that is going to add appeal to him from independent voters. He's going to be the one who isn't the unreasonable hater.

    Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

    by backell on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:40:19 PM PST

  •  Because that way leads to more divisiveness (10+ / 0-)

    ...and less understanding. We don't hate our political enemies on a personal level.

    It's not about the hundred people whose minds you can't change. It's about the two people you empower. ~ Beth Ditto

    by dejavu on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:43:31 PM PST

  •  Christie insults women (21+ / 0-)

    teacher  Marie Corfield
    Senator Loretta Weinberg
    Dr.  (dunno the first name ) Marino

    he insulted student and Navy veteran Bill Brown for no good reason.

    he insults instead of  debating.
    He insults instead of looking straight at the camera and saying
     something like a grownup.

    then he calls the doctor up at home to say "Hey,  my kids were hurt by what you said.  "

    It's all about him and his insult comic career.

    Sure, fat people, Jews,  black people... anyone who feels threatened learns to use verbal weapons for protection.

    but he's not  the threatened fat kid in the school yard, if he ever was

    He's a wealthy, corrupt political boss.  and his insult humor is his way of staying boss.

    It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

    by sayitaintso on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:55:00 PM PST

  •  Contrast the fake jackass Romney with the (12+ / 0-)

    authentic Christie and reasonable people will agree that Christie is a political force to (maybe) be reckoned with.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:59:17 PM PST

    •  He's likeable. (12+ / 0-)

      As Huckabee is likeable. I mean, they say hateful, horrible things. They do. I won't vote for either.

      But there is a charm in both of those men that does worry me if they would be the 2016 candidates.

      They're funny. They're charming.

      I mean, give us Rick Santorum, please GOP primary voters. Or even Jeb Bush. I don't want a likeable guy over on that side.

      www.stacysmusings.wordpress.com

      by Magenta on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:13:16 PM PST

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      •  Likeable is odd, though (7+ / 0-)

        I would never in a million years have considered Dubya "likeable".  Yet that turned out to be his strongest selling point.

        Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

        by ActivistGuy on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:22:42 PM PST

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      •  Christie is charming? (2+ / 0-)

        Really?
        I would never  in a million years have thought Christie or Dubya  was charming.

        •  I do find him charming. (5+ / 0-)

          He says what he says. He is who he is. I mean, I don't think he means it, but he comes across as sincere. Reagan was likeable, too. I mean, I got it. Likeable.

          Now GWB, I never understood at all. But then I like smart people, or perhaps those who at least can give impression of being smart.

          I can understand how one can like a Reagan or a Christie or a Huckabee. I disagree whole-heartedly, but they're bright people who put a positive spin on the ideas.

          Good news, I suppose, is the GOP seems more likely to continue to nominate morons who aren't likeable at all.

          www.stacysmusings.wordpress.com

          by Magenta on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:48:50 PM PST

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          •  Likeable? Seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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            He's a bully, an obnoxious bully with a lot of power.  If a public employee, say a teacher, talked that way to students or parents, is that likeable too?  

            I REALLY do not get what is likeable about a person who bullies.  I seriously do not get it, not even a little bit.  I never found Reagan likeable either but I understood a little why some did.  Reagan was not a bully.  He was a mediocre actor whose many roles in movies were that of a likeable good guy which, of course, was totally opposite of the reality, from his naming names in the McCarthy era to his destruction of the CA education system to his using of stereotypes and dog whistles to appeal to racists.  But people like my dad, not particularly politically to the right or the left, identified with folks like Reagan, John Wayne, Charlton Heston.  They were able to manipulate many people of my dad's generation.  Never got how younger people bought into it.

            But Christie is nothing but a bully.

            “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

            by Jjc2006 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:03:02 AM PST

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            •  It plays well in NJ (1+ / 0-)
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              I was born and raised in NJ, and I'm very far politically from Chris Christie.

              But you know what?  When the Atlantic City mayor told residents to stay put against the recommendation of the Governor during Hurricane Sandy, and then the city gets entirely flooded, Gov. Christie scolded him live in a news conference.

              And I loved it.  Because that level of stupid from the AC mayor needs to be called out.  If you're a moron and in NJ, we like to call you a fucking moron (and emphasis on including the "fucking").  We're sick of people dancing around calling someone out to their face if they truly are acting like a total and complete fuck up.  So that's why Christie plays well in NJ.

              Likable isn't the right word, but as mentioned just below, charismatic is.

              It is done. Four More Years.

              by mconvente on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:27:38 AM PST

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              •  Well I was born and raised in the Philly area and (0+ / 0-)

                I am not unfamiliar with those from NJ.  Philly folks aren't exactly shrinking violets either.  

                I get that there are morons who need to be called out...but not by the governor, not publicly.  Sorry but as an educator I worry about what children see as role models.  Christie's "wiseguy" attitude and bullying is not for the public.  I am not being a snob and I get frustrated as heck at people's bad choices.  But having the leader of the state bully others (even when they are making poor choices) is still bullying.  It's just wrong and it's not how the public face of government should be behaving.  As a citizen, I deserve to be treated with respect, just as my students, and their parents deserve to be treated with respect by all educators.  And believe me some parents and their children make some really bad choices.  Doesn't give me the right to bully them any more than Christie has the right to bully citizens.
                That kind of schtick being appealing, especially to progressives, no matter where they are from, is troublesome to me.

                “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

                by Jjc2006 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:36:30 AM PST

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        •  Maybe the correct word is (3+ / 0-)

          charismatic...

          "Today is who you are" - my wife

          by I Lurked For Years on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:31:06 AM PST

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  •  Christie isn't going to be the Republican nominee. (8+ / 0-)

    Unless the Republican base changes between now and 2016, they are not going to go for another person from the Northeast, Santorum included.

    Let us not forget that his stand against marriage equality, his failure to accept the Medicaid expansion in a timely manner, aren't going to play well with the mythical Independent voter in the minds of the political media.

    I think his weight could work for him if he loses some. Otherwise, I think people like mean fat guys about as much as they like mean drunks. His personality is cute now to the media types, but it will be grating when exposed to the daily strum of a campaign. Make no mistake, people will provoke him deliberately and daily Governor Christie is not a warm and fuzzy type of guy.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:09:54 PM PST

  •  to be clear, since I am supersized myself (19+ / 0-)

    I mock him because he called up a physician, a former White House physician and screamed at her because she said his 400 lbs combined with asthma is a certain death warrant.

    That is certainly true as I have watched relatives dig their graves with a fork and spoon.  The fact he can not huff and puff 100 yards to his kid's game speaks volumes and is ironic in the context of winger attacks on Michelle Obama because she has a "large butt" (direct quote)  At a time the First Lady is encouraging our youth to not be a generation of couch potatoes, Christy sets a poor personal example  

  •  Project much? (18+ / 0-)

    Christie's fee fees were not the least bit hurt.

    Christie's indignation was as carefully planned as any political speech. He self-deprecates his own obesity on a regular basis. But he wants to make it known that he'll attack anyone now who brings it up as a presidential negative, so that by 2016 no one will dare.

  •  sorry but you're wrong (10+ / 0-)

    all these other people that go to the doctor an dhave bp meds prescribed because they're fat, don't have presidential aspirations
    and he probably has really good doctors who don't do that

    typical knee jerk reaction inventing a problem and criticism that was never made

    she's a doctor she knows he's fat and medicine knows that's a risk factor , he can claim he's 'healthy' all he wants

    and you missed the point of thediary which was that he went out of his way to call somebody he doesn't know who made a comment about him - to yell. This is not the temperament required of a presidential aspirant nor one who is a cardio risk

    and where is the 'peril' in 'mocking him', should someone actually do that? will he bully those people? as is his wont?

    fail - try again

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:14:43 PM PST

  •  I agree with your rant. (7+ / 0-)

    "Lookist" critiques are never fruitful (except sometimes when directed against women). But usually not against men.

    Christie is dangerous, and a critique or a discount based on weight is a LOSER.

    I imagine that movie you linked to has interesting information but it was as irritating as hell to watch and a pretty poor piece of motion graphics. Ugh. Couldn't stand it. Gave up. Torture.

  •  Christie has self esteem issues (3+ / 0-)
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    he's a bully and he overeats - I'm an internet psychologist

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:16:19 PM PST

  •  Having said all that... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...he owes it to himself, his family, and his supporters to deal with something that is clearly a medical issue.  He didn't get that way because he spent too much time at McDonalds.  Otherwise, he's not going to be President because he's not going to live that long.

    This is not intended as mean spirited partisanship.  While I don't intend to vote for Christie, I had in mind voting him out of office followed by his transition a prosperous second career as a politically connected lawyer, not having him commit suicide because he won't listen to valid medical advice.  This isn't about his self control or anything like that.  It is a medical problem.  You don't need to know his choleresterol level to figure that out.  But for his own good and for that of his family and friends (not to mention his political career) he needs to do something.

  •  I disagree with much of this (11+ / 0-)

    Christie should not be mocked because he is fat but beyond this...

    ...How is this any different than the scrutiny given to Hillary Clinton in December? These are health issues. Whether it is obesity or a blood clot in the brain or Dick Cheney's bad ticker, these are all legitimate issues to be asked about the person who wants to be the most powerful man and woman in the world. Fact is, as overweight as he is, his health situation 4 years from now, and into a presidency 8 and even 12 years from now would be very devious.

    And comparing the doctor's comments to Terry Shiavo? That was a very specific situation you'd have to see personally. The fact is obesity is something which DOES lead to major problems down the road almost all the time. The doctor could have even examined Christie, that does not mean he won't develop diabetes or other major problems even within months.

    The doctor was wrong to say so strongly he can die but, yes, there is an increased possibility. The possibility of a candidate dying in office has to be looked at carefully. People did it with Cheney.

    Also, this can be a wake-up call for Christie. Losing weight would not only improve his health but also his chances in the election. Like it or not, many people see being fat as being undisciplined and without control, a stereotype which Christie's angry outbursts reinforce.

    I used to be fat. If a doctor told the world about me, I'd be really angry. But then I'm not running for the most important office in the world.

    And again, why is this different than Hillary's health issues in December?

    •  I think its a distraction (3+ / 0-)
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      The president smokes, Cheney did have heart problems, Taft was overweight, and so on.  But none of it seems to ever really become an actual issue, just a bunch of conjecture and speculation.

      I do think that if Christie started losing weight, though, it would be a HUGE positive for him politically.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:41:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  This reminds me of the admonition (6+ / 0-)

      against bringing up John McCain's age or his health history.

      In modern-day politics, every exploitable feature of each candidate will become a factor in the campaign regardless of whether there is a front page article on Daily Kos about it three years before 2016.

      That's the nature of politics in America. It has always been petty and profound.

      What we do know is that Democrats really don't have to spend much money on original attack ads to defeat a Republican opponent.

      Republicans do such a good job of eating their own in debates and well-funded attack ads, that all Democrats have to do is re-run those attacks in their ads.

      I trust that the GOP and tea partiers will go straight to the gutter in their attacks on Gov. Christie.

      "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

      by FiredUpInCA on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:57:52 PM PST

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    •  2 wrongs don't make a right (6+ / 0-)

      I don't care what suit Hillary wears or if she has wrinkles and I don't care if Christie is fat.

      Those are non-issues. I am interested in their policies. How they lead, etc., and so on.

    •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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      Also, this can be a wake-up call for Christie. Losing weight would not only improve his health but also his chances in the election.
      You think he heard that and was all like "Holy shit, I had no idea I was morbidly obese! And this can be a bad thing??? Well by gosh, thanks for letting me know, I'm going on a diet!"

      Newsflash-Chris Christie knows he is fat. Repeatedly reminding him that he's fucking fat isn't going to make him skinny.

      You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

      by SwedishJewfish on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:10:52 AM PST

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  •  Well, eurpting is CC go-to response to criticism. (11+ / 0-)

    Seen him do in on many things, not just his weight.  He's touchy and choleric.  

    I do like his sense of humor sometimes, but he has exactly the wrong temperament for higher office.   He's the opposite of diplomatic.  If the people of NJ want to keep having him as their Gov, well, I suppose the damage he can do there is limited in scope.   But the damage he could do in National office is terrifying to think of.

    We have the elite, smart people on our side.

    by fearisthemindkiller on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:33:10 PM PST

  •  Re that video, the reason people used to be (3+ / 0-)
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    thinner is because they were starving. Historically, malnutrition was the rule. People were also shorter and puberty hit later. This whole "people used to be skinny and healthy a hundred years ago" idea is incorrect. They were skinny and UNhealthy.

    •  That's a complicated issue (2+ / 0-)
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      Yes, of course, a hundred years ago, the thinner you were, more likely the poorer you were. But the richer you were, the fatter you were and the less exercise you got. So I think even then the wealthy and nobility died early from obesity and lack of activity.

      Workers were thinner but they also get a hell of a lot more activity. They often, but not always, had less fat-saturated diets than the wealthy.

      Don't think it was so cut and dried.

      •  Certainly there were exceptions, particularly (2+ / 0-)
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        among the wealthy. Think of all those Roman sculptures of statesmen and emperors carrying lots of extra weight. But for the vast majority of the population insufficient and insufficiently nutritious food was standard, and it caused widespread health problems.

        •  Don't dispute that (0+ / 0-)

          but that was due to complex sociological issues. They would have WANTED to eat more but they could not.
          Whereas the wealthy were healthy to show their weight as an indication they were well off.

          •  Of course they wanted to eat more! The people's (1+ / 0-)
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            hunger lost wars and triggered revolutions. There has been a constant struggle to get more food to everyone throughout human history.

            I'm not sure why you say it's complex, I'd say it's fairly simple. Food was expensive and hard to transport, so only the wealthiest could afford to eat as much as they wanted. So the poor suffered from malnutrition and the rich suffered from obesity. Being healthy required fantastic amounts of luck. Still does, kind of, so I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

      •  My eyes were opened when I traveled in Europe (0+ / 0-)

        for a number of weeks. France, Spain, Italy, Greece.

        Look around, anywhere in the city or countryside. Overweight people seem to have been raptured or something - they are nowhere in sight. Except for a few American or German tourists. They stick out.

        WHY the startling difference? Was it because Europeans were "starving"? I don't think so.

        Then come home - glance around any public place, even in relatively healthy Seattle where I live.  A quarter or a third of adults (and lots of kids) are chubby. Some are obese. Ugly sounding word.

        Like many, I've struggled with weight gain, being 5 feet tall and not naturally athletic. I've cut out sugar and gluten completely. I'm a vegetarian. And I don't feel deprived of "living". My self-esteem is higher when I look and feel healthy.  have to get old, but I DON'T have to get fat. That would make me very depressed.

  •  No, that's not it. (6+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't mock him because of his fat.

    I would mock him because of his horrible ideas, his arrogant personality and I would mock the very idea that he has not already exceeded the level in politics that he reasonably deserves.

    And if he harbors any notion that his health -- which, no matter what defenders of the fat may insist, cannot be optimal -- will not be an issue if he should stumble a step or two up the political ladder, he is a bigger (no pun intended) fool than even I imagine.

    His ill humor when confronted with the obvious truth about his condition is just (again, no pun intended) icing on the very mockable cake.

  •  A whole lotta people will identify with Chris (9+ / 0-)

    Christie and he's a serious threat that will require someone of Hillary Clinton's political chops to dispatch.

    Forget the blubber, he's a lot more appealing than Mitt Romney and he did himself a lot of good helping the POTUS out.  

    His temperament might be his undoing.  I'm thinking of that scene on the boardwalk.

  •  Christie Is Morbidly Obese..... (14+ / 0-)

    He's not just overweight.  He's not just fat.  He's not just obese.....he's MORBIDLY overweight.

    No human being needs to weigh that much.  He has a huge paunch.  That outside fat translates to inside fat encircling & gagging his organs.

    The guy needs to lose it.  Yelling about a doctor @ a press conference or calling her up & yelling even louder, didn't help him lose a single pound.

    No one that thin skinned, & that verbally out of control should be on the international stage.  Not every politician he comes in contact with in England or Italy or Pakistan or India is going to pretend they don't notice that the guy has an out of control eating habit.  He can't yell his way across Europe.  

    If it's a thyroid condition, he should be on medication.  If it's a slow metabolism or some kind of a dietary fluke, he needs to research it & fix it.

    He's an asthmatic too.  Unless he sleeps sitting up, all that throat & chest poundage could lead to apnea.  Bet he snores.  

    He needs to stop yelling & make an appointment w/ a nutritionist.  He doesn't get the elementary rule.....if
    you eat too much, you're going to have a big gut.  

    •  let me guess... (6+ / 0-)

      ...you have never been more that 25 lbs overweight.

      You are completly clueless....

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:59:54 PM PST

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      •  That is a silly assertion (4+ / 0-)

        Do I have to have every disease and every condition known to man to have an opinion about it?  

        If I see a friend having sex with everyone he meets and ending up with STDs out the ass -- should I keep quiet because I'm not a slut so I would be "completely clueless?"

        Christie IS morbidly obese.  You don't have to morbidly obese yourself to see it.  

        That doesn't mean calling him Jabba the Hutt is a wise political tactic.  

        But pretending that the presidency is not an incredibly demanding and stressful job is silly.  Health concerns are legit.  Health is one of the qualifications that people consider when electing a leader.  It was an issue with McCain.  It will be an issue with Christy.  

        •  yet another clueless person... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...opens his yap.

          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

          by delver rootnose on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:15:12 PM PST

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          •  Right (2+ / 0-)
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            Your logical argument is very well made.  Maybe you should apply for a job as Christie's debate coach.  

            •  better than your argument (3+ / 0-)

              You just assumed that obesity is easy to deal with.

              Any other diseases you would like to cure today? How about cancer?

              Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

              by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:51:37 PM PST

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              •  Disease? (1+ / 0-)
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                There are some diseases that lead to weight problems.  But not all people who have weight problems have such a disease.  And as far as I know, Christie does not have such an underlying medical issue.

                I agree with the diarist that this is a losing political issue, but you can't just absolve all people who are overweight from any responsibility.

                There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:04:34 PM PST

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                •  our solutions for obesity (4+ / 0-)
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                  pretty much suck.
                  Exercise may be fun for some but not everyone.
                  Dieting can also be a real struggle.
                  If there was a pill that Christie could take to solve the problem, I would suggest he take it.

                  Failing that, I would give him the benefit of the doubt

                  Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                  by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:18:29 PM PST

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                  •  Yes they do suck (2+ / 0-)
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                    No one is saying its an easy problem to deal with.

                    It sucks for those who are obese that some people don't really have to put a whole lot of effort into managing their weight.  I don't think obesity is a moral failing or anything, but the solution more often than not really is diet and exercise.  That's much easier said than done, the real question is how to motivate and maintain.

                    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                    by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:31:04 PM PST

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                    •  both sides (1+ / 0-)
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                      You are taking both sides of the issue.

                      You are saying it is hard but also condemning Christie.

                      That is not my approach.

                      If Obama smokes, then I am not going to condem him for it until I have a simple solution

                      Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                      by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:34:55 PM PST

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                      •  Condemn? (3+ / 0-)
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                        I'm not condemning at all.  I'm saying that this is a difficult issue to deal with.

                        The solutions are simple.  Stop smoking or eat healthier and be more active.  Pretty straightforward.

                        Finding the motivation and discipline to actually follow through on those solutions can be incredibly hard.  As an unmotivated and undisciplined person I get it.

                        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                        by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:41:57 PM PST

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                        •  quote (1+ / 0-)
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                          "you can't just absolve all people who are overweight from any responsibility"

                          Yes, I can because I appreciate the difficulties of losing weight.

                          If there was a pill that fixed this, I might feel differently

                          Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                          by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:49:55 PM PST

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                        •  You forgot option #3. (2+ / 0-)
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                          Be the weight you are, and tell anybody who presumes to tell you what you should do with yourself to fuck off.

                          --Shannon

                          "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
                          "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

                          by Leftie Gunner on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:54:41 PM PST

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                          •  That's fine too (1+ / 0-)
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                            If you are comfortable with who you are, then that's fine with me, I'm in no place to judge.

                            But if you aren't ok with who or where you are in life, then don't say "I want to be different, but its too hard" and think that's acceptable.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:04:07 PM PST

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                          •  You need (1+ / 0-)
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                            to get with the newest information coming from science about obesity. You are as ignorant as every other person who says "eat less and exercise more." See this article and then read the original in the NEJM:

                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                            This goes for all of the rest of you who think you know what obesity is. When you are obese you follow the latest science, and the latest science no longer supports this "eat less and exercise more" crap. We may finally be turning the corner on the reality of obesity.

                            In the Middle Ages in was universally believed that Hansen's Disease (leprosy) was the result of sin and/or demonic possession. How far we've come. When obesity is finally treated as a disorder of the body and not of the will, that will be a great day.

                          •  I'm not biting (1+ / 0-)
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                            The only time in my life I wasn't overweight was when I had to walk everywhere cause I didn't have a car while simultaneously working a job that required continuous physical activity.

                            There are a lot of reasons people can't get enough exercise (not everyone is going to walk a mile to work then work on their feet for an entire shift like I did) or eat better diets (ubiquity of processed foods and added sugar), but the idea that diet and exercise aren't the primary determinants of weight is just obviously wrong.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:05:24 PM PST

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                          •  wow (0+ / 0-)

                            So you are overweight now and still feel qualified to label other people irresponsible.

                            Can I introduce you to a mirror? It may help your thinking process

                            Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                            by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:12:47 AM PST

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                          •  We are all qualified (1+ / 0-)
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                            Your arguments seem to imply that no one is responsible for anything in their life that requires any amount of difficulty.  That's garbage.

                            Did I ever claim to be more virtuous or responsible than anyone else?  No, I didn't.  Saying that people are ultimately responsible for their own lives is not a moral condemnation.

                            The fact that I've put on weight since I stopped exercising regularly makes me incredibly qualified to remark that diet and exercise are the most important factors in weight.

                            Whatever legitimate medical conditions can contribute to the obesity does not mean people can ignore the role of diet and exercise.  For people who just lack the motivation or discipline (including myself), there is no where to look but the mirror you speak of.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:55:28 AM PST

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                          •  nope (0+ / 0-)

                            they are not responsible.

                            People get cancer due entirely to genetics.

                            We do not get to choose our genes

                            Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                            by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:58:26 AM PST

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                          •  And environmental factors (1+ / 0-)
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                            There are a bunch of reasons people get cancer.

                            I hear you that we all have different underlying medical/genetic/physiological issues.  Those are the individual constants that we cannot control and make each of us unique.  Then there are the variables of diet and exercise that we do have control over.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:06:50 AM PST

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                          •  even exercise (0+ / 0-)

                            is subject to genetics.

                            It is tempting to think that people who fail at it are "weak" but we are all driven to eat by genetic factors.  From an evolutionary point of view, we may not have survived otherwise.

                            People can get depressed and this can be due to underlying genetic causes.  In that state, they may really find it difficult, verging on impossible, to put up with the misery of exercise.

                            Those who lucky enough to find exercise rewarding do not have this problem

                            Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

                            by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:13:18 AM PST

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                          •  Did I say "weak"? (1+ / 0-)
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                            No, I didn't.  So just stop with the idea that I am condemning anyone.  

                            The only problem I have with the argument you are making is that you seem to think no one needs to take any responsibility for anything.  That is just a terrible attitude to have about life.

                            Now that doesn't mean taking responsibility is easy.  It also doesn't mean it will necessarily solve the problem.  Taking responsibility means owning up to what we are responsible for.  But saying that there is nothing that anyone who is overweight anywhere can do about their situation ever is so ridiculously false I can't believe you keep making this argument.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:24:37 AM PST

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                          •  you say you are in no place... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...to judge but your words do sound oh so judgemental.

                            We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                            by delver rootnose on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 02:29:35 PM PST

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                        •  see this comment proves you are clueless. (0+ / 0-)

                          ...

                          The solutions are simple.  Stop smoking or eat healthier and be more active.  Pretty straightforward

                          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                          by delver rootnose on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 02:28:34 PM PST

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                    •  you say that you don't think... (0+ / 0-)

                      ...it is a moral failing but your own words belie that statment.  And I bet your actions do as well.

                      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                      by delver rootnose on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 02:27:38 PM PST

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                      •  You have no argument (0+ / 0-)

                        I am not being judgmental about all people who are overweight.

                        I am saying that weight is mostly dictated by diet and exercise.

                        It is easy to say "diet and exercise".

                        It is another thing to follow through on those things.

                        It is not easy to actually follow the "diet and exercise" answers to being overweight or obese.

                        I do not judge people who cannot, for whatever reason, control their weight.

                        I do not judge people who are overweight and have no problem with that fact.

                        I do judge people who are overweight, don't want to be overweight, have no medical condition that makes them overweight, and still want to make excuses for being overweight.

                        Even saying that last sentence, I know it is not easy to lose weight and I can't possibly have any kind of moral judgment of people who are overweight.  Just check my sig line, maybe that will help.

                        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                        by slothlax on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:54:57 PM PST

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                        •  not only are you clueless... (0+ / 0-)

                          ...but you are deluding yourself.  You are judgemental but have convinced yourself you are a bastion of fairmindedness.

                          I don't buy it.  Your words, and your sig line, reek of it.

                          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                          by delver rootnose on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 10:04:00 AM PST

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                          •  Say what you will (0+ / 0-)

                            You give no counterargument, only judgmental condemnation of your own.

                            Do you really think diet and exercise are not a major factor in weight management?  Because you offer nothing but obfuscation and excuses as far as I can see.

                            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                            by slothlax on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:45:28 AM PST

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                •  You say this as if obesity is some kind of moral (2+ / 0-)
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                  failing

                  you can't just absolve all people who are overweight from any responsibility.
                  You have no idea if he has an underlying medical issue. Nor is it any of your business.

                  And wagging your finger and giving the stink eye to people you know nothing about because you assume they're lazy, binge eating, fast food obsessed lard-asses does not make you morally superior.

                  You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

                  by SwedishJewfish on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:21:40 AM PST

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                  •  This is not just directed at you btw (1+ / 0-)
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                    It's more of a general statement. I see this constantly.

                    You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

                    by SwedishJewfish on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:24:06 AM PST

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                  •  Its not condemnation (0+ / 0-)

                    I worded that statement that way on purpose.  The fact that some people have underlying issues that create or exacerbate obesity does not mean that all people with weight issues have those underlying problems.  So, yes, I don't go around making fun of fat people.  I don't tell people how to live their lives.  But I don't accept the argument that people with weight issues don't bear any responsibility.  I put on weight when I don't get regular exercise.  Its not rocket science.

                    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                    by slothlax on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:12:40 AM PST

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              •  Please proceed (0+ / 0-)

                And show me EXACTLY where I say that Obesity is easy to deal with.  

                If I don't get a response from you, I will assume you realize you were mistaken when you asserted that I said that.  

                Of course an apology from you admitting to your mistake would be welcome, but I'm not expecting that much from you.  

      •  Not True..... (5+ / 0-)

        In high school, I was a good 40 lbs overweight.  Protective fat.

        As an adult, I've had my moments too.  It's always been a struggle to keep it around 130 lbs....about right for a 5'4" woman who is 67.  I'm not skinny by any means, but I know fat around your middle is a bad deal.  

        •  a struggle (3+ / 0-)

          So why is it so hard to understand that it is a struggle for Christie too?

          Blake: I am an enemy of the Federation but it is corrupt and oppressive. I will destroy it if I can

          by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:52:56 PM PST

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          •  There's A Line A Person Reaches..... (0+ / 0-)

            Once you cross that line, you know in your heart it's time to do something about your weight.

            It's when your clothes are too tight, it's when nothing fits, it's when you are in long pants & a cover up sweater.....and everybody else is in a bathing suit or shorts & it's 100 degrees outside.

            It's when you keep buying larger & larger clothes w/ elastic waist bands.  It's when you don't want to go to your high school reunion because you are 100 lbs heavier than you were 10 years ago.

            Everybody knows......including Chris Christie.  He's not fooling anybody.  We've all been there.  

             

            •  And...? This means he should be (0+ / 0-)

              subject to everyone's condemnation, unwanted advice?

              I am all of those things you describe and if someone was to give me a lecture on my weight I would likely blow their hair back.  They don't know me and they don't know how I got her or how I may or may not solve the problem by looking at me.

              "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

              by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:00:23 AM PST

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  •  Somewhere in there I got the idea (4+ / 0-)
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    that you said calorie reduction and exercise makes you fat.

    In and around paragraph 4.

    I'm sure this is a very sensitive subject for many people. And some people have rare medical issues.

    Most overweight people eat to much crap whether they work hard or not.

    I agree with this though, if you eat anything that says "diet", "fat free" "low cal" or "low fat". You will gain weight. It's not real food and it tastes like shit.

    A "diet" plan is a food obsession. Any one who counts calories, should stop and find something else to do with their time.

    Don't ever eat anything from a gas station. It's all shit.

    Hostess went out of business in a race to the bottom of your wallet. 2000 calories of processed sweetener and vegetable fats for 99 cents.

    I'm glad they went bankrupt. Their products and business model sucked.

    •  That's not why they went bankrupt (4+ / 0-)
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      The gas stations (and supermarkets) have as many snack cakes as ever, made by corporations that didn't fall prey to vulture capitalists loading them up with debt. In fact, there will probably be Twinkies showing up on the shelves again soon (if there aren't already), as soon as someone else buys the name.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:41:36 PM PST

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    •  Actually your diet is anything you eat. (2+ / 0-)
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      You're on a diet every day of your life.  You can either choose to control it, or not, and if you choose to, you can decide upon any level of control you choose.  Calories, grams, macronutrients, whatever.  It's very useful to overweight folks to at least do the calorie/macronutrient logging at least for a few weeks or months at some point, merely to give them  a sense for what is sensible and what isn't.

      Rare medical conditions are just that - rare.  A lot more people blame obesity on 'rare conditions' or 'poor genetics' than actually have either.  The diet industry is like the pharma industry - far more interested in selling you product you'll need on an ongoing basis, than something that 'fixes' the problem and keeps it fixed.  Money pours into research to create drugs that 'control' conditions, little into 'cures'.

      The place to 'fix' weight problems is diet, and you don't need weight watchers, jenny craig or any of the other 'diet industry' foods to fix your 'diet'.  Cut the sugars, cut the starches, more proteins and fats that take longer to digest and leave you eating less simply because you're not hungry.

      •  Actually, the number one cause of obesity is (2+ / 0-)
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        likely to be poverty.  All of those bad sugars and starches and processed foods are the cheapest foods to eat.

        Wanna get fat?  Buy the bulk of your food at the dollar store.

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        by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:02:10 AM PST

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        •  Quite possibly. (2+ / 0-)
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          The government gives massive subsidies to sugar and corn producers, which is why so much of what is bad for you is dirt cheap.

          Someone posted a 'bodega' video in the comments of one of these diaries a few days ago, and it was dead on.  Quarter water, 25 cent ice cream sandwiches, and honey buns.   People in such 'food desert' areas are starting from a horribly difficult starting point.  

          But a lot of us actually do have more choices, and have been swayed into making poor choices by misinformation and billions spent on advertising campaigns.  We'll be 'lovin it!' or have hot looking women prowling around us if only we eat this processed food or at that restaurant...

          At the policy level, I'd love to see a shift in what agricultural products get subsidized as well as economic support for getting more fresh agricultural products into the food deserts.  And Ronald McDonald treated like Joe Camel.

          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            Even fat I don't drink sodas or gatoraid. I can count how many times I have eaten fast food in the last 12 months on one hand.  I rarely buy packaged foods in the store and I shop quite a bit at the farmer's market, but here downtown the only stores are the:

            Dollar Store
            Food Co-op
            Safeway (with prices significantly higher than the 'burbs)

            Lots of downtown people live in studios and share rentals with very limited income.  I see them grocery shopping at the dollar store and only picking up what they can't get at Safeway and the Sunday farmer's market.  At least they do have the farmer's market option...lots of places do not and our farmer's market takes food stamps.

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            by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:09:36 AM PST

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  •  Christie needs to be bigger than his critics (2+ / 0-)
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    Read that as you will, but it's a valid point.

    Personally, that tough guy NY/NJ bullshit works a whole lot better with your basic urban hardscrabble Archie Bunker types, not some bum who looks like he's feasted on life with both hands.

    I grew up around tough people. Christie ain't one of them. Open yourself for a shot, take what's coming your way. Want to be president? Quit being an asshole.

  •  I hear all kinds of complaints... (7+ / 0-)

    ..of the costs related with weight and smoking, I don't smoke btw, but not a damn thing about the costs of sports injuries, exercise injuries, work injuries, driving motorcycles without helmet injuries etc etc. No one berates the person who breaks an unpadded knee while rollerblading now do they.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:58:15 PM PST

  •  this is a strategy implemented to bring attn (3+ / 0-)
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    to the issue and let cc put an end to it in only the way that he can.
    positively rovian and premeditated.

    sure he's fat and fat jokes will get us nowhere...

    but he will run at his own peril.  the state of his health is an issue to be president.

    and if this is the first time his son has been concerned about his dad's weight, i''ll eat a whole bag of chips.
    good for the doctor.  that's what doctors do!

    now sit back with your popcorn and let the republicons fight it out themselves.

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    by stagemom on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:00:17 PM PST

  •  I agree with a lot of this. (7+ / 0-)

    I live in NJ ... not too far from Trenton.

    Don't kid yourself, Christ is very smart. Smart enough to use a U.S. District attorney's office as a political weapon, and get away with it completely.

    Bottom line, he's plenty smart enough to use his weight as a political weapon. Don't give him the opportunity.

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    by nosleep4u on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:01:20 PM PST

  •  I get so sick and tired... (23+ / 0-)

    ...of people who have won the genitic lottery telling those of us who haven't how easy it is to lose weight and acting like they are somehow virtous.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:03:24 PM PST

  •  "Lazy, unhealthy and dangerous" well-describes (8+ / 0-)

    jokes and criticism of Christie's weight on Dkos, for all the reasons summarized in this diary.

    More reasons: Is it coincidental that, in many regions where people vote Republican against their economic self-interest, obesity is above-average, and people's fatness and diet is mocked by lazy scriptwriters in the largely bi-coastal entertainment industry?

    Can this be made an HR-able offense on Dkos?

    By way of contrast, If Hillary runs for President in 2016, is Dkos going to tolerate jokes or criticism on her butt or thighs?  (If she makes herself leaner, is Dkos going to tolerate jokes and criticism of her resulting wrinkles or an absence of wrinkles that hints at cosmetic surgery?)

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    by emorej a Hong Kong on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:04:24 PM PST

  •  One of the best predictors of heart disease is: (11+ / 0-)

    Weight.

    The heavier you are -- period -- the higher your risk of heart disease, says Helene Glassberg, MD, director of the Preventive Cardiology and Lipid Center at Temple University School of Medicine in Philadelphia.
    This is a well-known fact within the field of health and health research. The doctor pointing out that Christie, as a potential President, runs a higher than normal risk of suffering a heart attack is not making fun of him for being fat. This is useful and valid information that American voters should know about. Just as knowing how close John McCain was to kicking the bucket was back in 2008. Or knowing how in the hell Dick Cheney is even still alive was important to know back in the dark ages.

    If there are some in diaries making fun of him for being fat that is wrong. But the doctor pointing out KNOWN risk factors for electing Christie as our President (other than his less than lucid thinking) is not making fun of him. This is valid information that relates to the fitness of a candidate to hold such an important office. There's a reason candidates submit their health records at some point in the campaign. Americans want to know (rightly so) whether or not we're a heartbeat away from a Vice President taking over.

  •  Y'know, I try to be aware of my own bigotries ... (8+ / 0-)

    ... so that I may work to rid myself of them as soon as possible.  It is an act of introspection that I believe prevents me from sinking into an unthinking moral righteousness and helps to keep me centered.  I've done pretty well over the years.

    But obesity seems to be one of the more difficult ones.  I have a visceral response to the sight of an obese person.  Intellectually I cannot help but to think that at some point before that person hit 400lbs they were 350lbs and should have taken action.  And before they were 350lbs they were 300lbs and should have taken action.  And before they were 300lbs ... etc.

    For most of the traits that people suffer the judgement of others there is nothing that they can do about it.  You cannot stop being black, mexican, Irish, gay, lesbian, etc.  But you can stop putting food in your mouth.  You can stop buying crappy processed food.  If Chris Christie sat on Letterman's couch and gorged on apples and carrots then nobody would have blinked an eye.  There are nutritional choices being made.  There are exercise choices being made.  And there are medical and medicinal choices being made.  I work very hard so that I do not judge people on things over which they do not have a choice - but if you are obese and eating donuts then you are making a bad choice.  And I have no problem judging people by the choices that they make because it is the outward manifestation of the content of their character.

    So, I continue to struggle with this one and may continue to do so for quite awhile.  I believe it to be my one remaining bigotry and I work to treat them with respect.  Plus, Belgians - they are a filthy people.  ;)

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    by Terrapin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:28:38 PM PST

    •  Well, at least you're working on it. (3+ / 0-)
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      Many people are trapped in a problematic spiral, where they damage a weightbearing joint, and put on weight. Which of course is biomechanically bad for it, and one common coping response to feeling bad or stressed is to eat. And on it goes and goes.

      I'm about 80 pounds overweight; some would say 120, but I have large Scandinavian genes, and I'm a big  woman under the fat. I am not genetically a sylph. At 5'7", I am the shortest woman in my family, with the average being up around 5'11. We tend to have exaggerated x builds; big boobs and ass, narrow waist, powerful legs, broad shoulders. A lot of us get fat after kids, though. But even when I get to 180, which for me may be perfect, some people may think that's fat.

       I know what to do to take it off. And it's harder because I can't exercise; I did some evil things to my foot twenty years ago, and now weightbear in ten minute intervals, and don't run.

      Some people just aren't that good at personal problem solving, or have financial barriers  to doing it.  

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      by Alexandra Lynch on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:41:25 PM PST

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      •  This is fine and correct, but some here are (4+ / 0-)

        making other excuses, calling people who understand overweight to be unhealthy 'clueless' with no further justification, etc.

        Bigotry and mockery is not OK. But making excuses (i might have some weird anomalous stomach virus that makes me fat) or saying that science is wrong is a bridge way too far and imo is on the level of climate change denial.

        I see what you did there.

        by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:54:19 PM PST

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      •  I can understand your situation but ... (3+ / 0-)

        ... it is a markedly different one than the one described in the diary.  You have an injury that limits mobility and a constitution that tends towards heft.  But even at 80lbs over you are still not what would be called morbidly obese.  Chris Christie has no discernible injury and could stand to lose much more than 120lbs.  But, the hardest thing to rationalize is that he appears to be making no effort to go the other way.  He is actively choosing to be fat and to get fatter.

        Look, I am not a strong advocate of rail-thin humanoids tripping through the streets.  Most models and movie stars are just one antibiotic-resistant flu season away from wasting down to nothing.  Skinny is only sexy because antibiotics have allowed us to survive a bad chest cough instead of relying on our stored up body fat to keep us alive until we fought it off ourselves.  But choices are choices.  Its tough.

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        by Terrapin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:00:24 PM PST

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    •  Yes -- Christie's donut completely turned me off (3+ / 0-)
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      Funny funny joke -- "I'm a fat guy and I'm eating a donut."
      That was a poor choice for his time on Letterman.
      Especially since he didn't even fit in the chair.  

    •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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      Intellectually I cannot help but to think that at some point before that person hit 400lbs they were 350lbs and should have taken action.  And before they were 350lbs they were 300lbs and should have taken action.  And before they were 300lbs ... etc.
      When I hit 160, I was told by my brother that I shamed him and that for my sake I needed to "finally" lose weight. I wore a size 13 at that time. 30 pounds of loss later I wore an 11. I was able to keep the weight off for three months. I gained the 30 back plus 20. I was able to lose 20 pounds after a year of strict dieting. I gained all of it back and went to 210. I lost 30 and gained 50. I lost 30 and gained 50 more--do you see a pattern here? Do you understand that obesity and weight loss are much more complex than the average American mind can grasp? Do you know anything about the newest research? Have you any idea at all about the very complicated chemical functions of the human body? I took action so many times in my life it would make your head spin. I have spent over a hundred thousand dollars over my lifetime to battle my weight, from Weight Watchers memberships (and Nutrisystem and the YMCA and the Wyoming Racquet Club and...) to Phen-Fen to bariatric surgery. I weigh 320 pounds now. I have jogged, rowed, bicycled and walked, swum, lifted weights (I could leg-press 480 pounds--pretty good for a fatty, eh?), walked miles of roads, paths and gym floors. When I was at 160 I could do anything any other normal person could do--I skiid, free-climbed, rode horses, snowshoed, backpacked, swam for hours in the local lakes, chopped wood to keep my house warm, grew my own food and baked my own bread. My first mistake was believing my brother. A woman who weighs 160 pounds and who wears size 13 is not overweight. If I had just told him to go to hell I might still be within a livable weight; research now screams this fact: the more you diet the more you GAIN. If you have not spent the time and money I or other obese people have spent to find a way to become thin, then shut the hell up. An "outward indication of the content of their character"? Who the hell are you to judge my character? Few obese people have not struggled in ways you will ever understand, and yet you think this has something to do with our character? My god what ignorance. Please make as much effort to find out what this is about and what it is like as I have made to find a way out of it.
      •  I'm just curious (0+ / 0-)

        You say you lost weight, then you gained it back. What were you doing different when you lost the weight than when you gained it back? You were successful for awhile through exercise and/or diet, but then hit a point where the results reversed. Is it your contention that this reversal is unavoidable, that physically it would be impossible to prevent a reversal?

      •  It becomes a character issue because of choice. (0+ / 0-)

        If you can tell me with complete honesty that you have no choice but to put that additional food in your mouth then I fully accept that it is not a character issue - it is an issue of addiction.  If it is an issue with addiction and you are taking action against it then you have my support.  But if you are sitting on Letterman's couch and gorging on donuts in some public act of defiance then that is a choice that I feel free to judge.  Same for the non-famous person that I might see eating terribly unhealthy food.  Choices and actions are open to judgement.  If I got my face tattooed with George Bush's naked shower painting then you would be free and justified in judging me for that choice and action.  If you are angry and anxious about other people's judgement then you should unpack that with somebody qualified to help you with it.

        For the record I should state that I understand the daily humiliations that obese people go through and that I have never - EVER - contributed to them.  My earlier post should have made that clear.  I applaud you for the work that you have put into it.  My initial post was a meditation on an impulse that I freely label as 'bigotry' and that I have worked to analyze and eliminate.

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        by Terrapin on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:26:52 PM PST

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  •  Don't forget that he can lose 75 pounds, and (6+ / 0-)

    all of a sudden, he has neutralized both the "too fat" and "no discipline" charges being thrown against him.  I'll bet he's already got a year's diet and exercise plan in the works set to peak around....oh, say, late 2014 or early 2015.  He will still have to do the Tea Party Dance, but he's white, male, and mean as a rattlesnake - in other words, a GOP dream boat.

  •  THANK YOU!! (5+ / 0-)

    That story was appalling for exactly the reasons you outlined. I always like to think that we can do better than making fun of people's personal attributes, no matter which side of the aisle they're on.

  •  Fat is definitely not a disqualifier for (3+ / 0-)
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    republicans. Also, fat jokes could easily backfire in a country like ours. We should stick with policy debates when dealing with Christie (although the occasional innuendo.....).

  •  I have to admit when I heard that (8+ / 0-)

    doctor talk about Gov Christie perhaps dying from his weight, I immediately thought of Bill Frist diagnosing Teri Shiavo not being brain dead.

    Both were wrong to do this.

    No one needs to tell the Gov he's obese and at health risk...pretty sure he's known this for many, many years.

    I just don't see his weight being that much of a problem for him if he decides to run for Prez. I think it will be his quick temper and mouth that sinks him.

    FORWARD! Obama/Biden 2012

    by Esjaydee on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:37:11 PM PST

    •  huh (1+ / 0-)
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      "I just don't see his weight being that much of a problem for him if he decides to run for Prez. "

      So a very hot tempered..really obese..gaining a most stressful job(probably anywhere) does not seem a problem?

      All of us have family...friends..co-workers who were/are really obese. At best they are still alive..but anyone who pretends they don't worry..that it is not "much of a problem" C'mon that is simply not true...We do worry...
      and they are not nor running for President

      and comparing this to Frist and Schiavo? Really?

  •  It's wrong to mock Christie for his weight, but (10+ / 0-)

    I think the question about whether obesity is a medical disorder or not is completely separate from the question as to whether the solutions proposed by the crazy diet and corporate food industries are efficacious. I think the answers are Yes and No. Perhaps the second answer will always be No, but perhaps someday a solution will be found. But when it is, I think it's safe to predict that it won't be simple or obvious.

    Those are my opinions.

    •  THIS (4+ / 0-)

      the solutions proposed by the crazy diet and corporate food industries are HORRIBLE and more important they do not work.

      that is completely separate from the complicated truth of obesity as a medical disorder.

      obesity is a medical disorder, for which medicine so far has no solution that works consistently.

      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:58:49 PM PST

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  •  I don't know that.. (16+ / 0-)

    ..I agree with everything in this diary.   I do not believe it's debatable that being very overweight is simply terrible for your health.

    I do however think the constant mocking of Christie at this site for his appearance, i.e.  his weight, is pretty obnoxious and not at all progressive.

  •  Been there (6+ / 0-)

    I myself used to make true statements about how my cholesterol was fine, no high blood pressure, blood sugar's fine, "I'm a perfectly healthy fat guy," I would say.  I said that up until I wasn't.  And my life is no way as stressful as his will be merely running for President, let alone actually getting the job.  I made all the excuses up until the excuses very well may have killed me if I hadn't let them go.  The thing is this guy has access to resources I could only dream of, are you telling me he can't afford a nutritionist or a trainer?  I would have some sympathy with this argument if he hadn't gone on national television to eat some doughnuts.  The "funny and oh so comfy with himself" jovial act was shown to be a thin mask in his blow up at that doctor.  Make up your mind man, is your weight fodder for the media or not?  He is obese.  Fact.  One of many facts we will have to weigh in our choice for president if it comes to that.  He better think long and hard about his running mate because the last time a guy whose health seemed an issue ran for president his VP pick destroyed him.

    •  I do not see (1+ / 0-)
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      that Christie is claiming not to have financial resources.

      Christie may choose to eat doughnuts defensively.

      Does that mean that he does not want to lose weight?

      There are very real barriers to exercising more and eating less.  I do not see you acknowledging them

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      by GideonAB on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:32:28 PM PST

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    •  this this this this this (2+ / 0-)
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      everyone is perfectly healthy until they are not.

      the fact that it takes time for the body to feel the effects of poor choices is one of the reasons human beings can get away with making so many poor choices!

      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:00:49 PM PST

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    •  finally someone says this (1+ / 0-)
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      The "funny and oh so comfy with himself" jovial act was shown to be a thin mask in his blow up at that doctor

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      by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:06:23 PM PST

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  •  I've had weight problems (2+ / 0-)
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    All my life. I was always (as my parents said) pleasantly plump In my 20's and into my 30's I lost a lot of weight and went down to a size 6.  I felt and looked great and enjoyed shopping for clothes for just about the 1st time.  I have a cousin who became obese and for 30 years would lose a dress size and then put it right back on.  I'm now a 16 or 18 depending on the cut.  My cousin had surgery almost 2 years ago and she's so happy.  Medical conditions brought on by her weight have disappeared.  She's bought new clothes and is even wearing pants again!  I'm so happy and proud of her.

    As for Christie, my problem with him has nothing to do with his weight, only his politics and the way he talks to people.  But I have to say that if (God forbid) he is elected POTUS, how will the job affect his weight?  About a year ago there was a big deal about Christie using State transportation to watch his son play Little League.  He took a helicopter to the field and then there was a limo waiting to drive him about 1/4 mile to the field!  If he can't walk 1/4 mile then how can we expect him to have the energy to be President?

    That Doctor was wrong and should have qualified her statement the way Frisk didn't when he spoke about Terri Schiavo.  I remember that I was so angry with the whole Schiavo situation and then what Frisk said was the (no pun) cherry on the top.  

    Unfortunately, we live in a country that's very weight oriented.  Just tonight I heard that Melissa (can't think of her last name) was knocked by Rex Reed because of her weight.  My answer to that is "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."  

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    by Rosalie907 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:33:12 PM PST

  •  It is very interesting to see people defend (1+ / 0-)
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    Christie on this site.  He is the opposite of Obama, isn't he.

  •  Good diary (2+ / 0-)
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    I think regardless of what you think of Christie's personality and politics, it's a cheap shot to attack his physical appearance. It's not a prerequisite for becoming governor to be thin. BUT, that said, I do think it would be a liability for him if he ran for President.

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    by LiberalLady on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:38:01 PM PST

  •  Christie shoving a donut in his face was sickening (1+ / 0-)
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    He looked pathetic and disgusting.  
    I guess he thought everyone would think it was funny.

    I agree that focusing on Christie's weight is a bad idea.
    Let him do himself in.  

  •  My daughter has been exposed to all the b.s. (3+ / 0-)
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    you describe here.
    When she was pregnant she was told she was diabetic because, because... So they had her take her blood sugar three times a day, and it was normal. She has about the best eating habits of anyone I know, she actually has a hormonal condition that makes it very, very difficult to be in a normal weight range. She went to an acupuncture clinic and one of the practitioners walks by, and with no examination, no history, says "You too fat, you stop eating donuts." I bet my daughter never eats donuts, no soft drinks, sugar or other wise more than say, 4 times a year. Her health is excellent, even though her weight it high.

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    by shmuelman on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:52:10 PM PST

  •  Christie is too thin skinned (1+ / 0-)
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    He'll never be a force on a national level.

    "Obama won. Get over it."

    by onanyes on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:54:18 PM PST

    •  Skin (1+ / 0-)
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      is the only thin thing about him.  Having said that, it still doesn't speak well of those who ridicule his weight.  In my estimation, however, he is a regional phenomenon not a national presence.  The R's will grope for the next 3 years trying to decide who they want to be.  Christie may end up being their guy, but it won't help them nationally, nor even in his own backyard unless the Dems really fuck things up.

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      by Timothy L Smith on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:02:42 PM PST

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  •  oh good grief... (9+ / 0-)

    I am 6 feet tall and used to weigh 320 pounds (size 52 waist).  I am now normal size and have been that way since 1995.

    Obesity is a major health problem and for the doctor to have pointed that out is just basic honesty.

    Think of it as similar to smoking. Yes, lots of good people smoke and are our "{insert obligatory list of relatives, friends, positions filled by people from the category here}"

    But that doesn't change the science and the facts of it.

    And Mr. Christies obesity mixed with his being high strung is dangerous.  Sure, he might not die from it, just as drunk drivers sometimes don't have accidents.  

    "Obama won. Get over it."

    by onanyes on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:03:25 PM PST

  •  I can't help admiring him. (3+ / 0-)
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    That doesn't mean I think he'd make a good president
    (his politics are wrong).  But he can  be devastatingly
    funny;  doesn't shy away from a fight; seems to get what
    he wants; can charm opponents when required.

    The fat thing?   There are, I think, more Americans who dislike fat people than Americans who are racist.  Most racially prejudiced people take care to hide their twisted sentiments, but where fat people are concerned they don't even try.

  •  Concern troll diary extraordinaire! N/t (1+ / 0-)
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    by BlueFranco on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:29:54 PM PST

  •  No one can accuse that doc of (4+ / 0-)

    "hating fat people"
    She's a Republican, says she likes Christy but wants him to live longer-we have no reason not to believe her.

    She didn't diagnose anything from afar except obesity. That is something that can in fact be diagnosed from afar and that's where the diarist and Christy are wrong. Obesity itself without any other health issue (diabetes, high blood pressure) is a risk factor for death.

    Though Christy is active, I see that he is often short of breath. He is dragging a lot of weight around whenever he walks or moves, true, but it is enough to notice and wonder about his fitness level. Diarist says he's energetic but I dont' necessarily see that. You can be fit and fat but we don't even know if he at all excersizes.

    That said some of what she said ("dropping dead" came up if I recall) seemed over the top and unwise. She might have been more effective if she didn't say those things--just said that even with normal cholesterol and blood pressure obesity itself was a big risk factor for future health problems and she would be concerned for him as President. PResidency is probably one of the most stressful jobs in the world. Christy was obviously very stressed out (I do understand) during hurricane Sandy. He doesn't have a Zen temperment anyway.

    There are people who hate or have issues with fat people but some of us have a legitimate concern. For me, with my obese friends and with Christy, I notice that they are short of breath just in daily life so it makes me think of their health often when I see them as it gets my attention. I have a healthcare background though maybe other people dont' notice.

    •  we can safely say he doesn't exercise - rather (0+ / 0-)

      than walk 100 yds to his helicopter he took a ride in his limo. And he has asthma so that's why he's short of breath, partially

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      by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:01:51 PM PST

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  •  Christie (0+ / 1-)
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    That man is fatter than most obese people. He is huge. He probably weighs over 400 pounds and he is a stupid Republican to boot.

  •  We are pigs because we can be. (1+ / 0-)
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    Maybe some time we'll have to stop. Then we can be dogs, or something.

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    by labradog on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:50:10 PM PST

  •  Oh please please please let this pig be.... (0+ / 0-)

    ... the GOP nominee in 2016.

    Basically the GOP's platform is, "We have to cut out EVERY LAST benefit, every last service, every last thing of value the government does for ordinary citizens, so we can Cut Taxes for The Good People and send the money back up to them."

    A big huge sweaty fat guy is not the best guy to carry that message. Remember the fat kid at the school lunchroom who always elbowed you out of the way to get the last slice of pizza? That's Chris Christie.

    Please please please please please.

  •  Maybe the horse will learn to sing. (2+ / 0-)
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    Just saying, what if in 2016 we see a Chris Christie who is 3/4 the mass of the Chris Christie we see now?

    Impossible? No. Unlikely? Leaning towards no. Not unlikely. When the stakes are this high I'd say it's entirely possible.

    Plan for the worst.

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    by Hammerhand on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:25:03 PM PST

  •  Concur about the prejudice.....however, (1+ / 0-)
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    he's kidding himself if he insists he's a healthy fat man.  Remember the big stir when he used the state helicopter or plane or whatever to land him really close to his son's bb game and I'm thinking even had him himself driven to within about 50 feet?  I'm sure he couldn't walk a distance especially since it was summer and hot.  

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    by Leftovers on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:28:42 PM PST

  •  I hate it when people focus on females about their (3+ / 0-)
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    looks or alleged past, while ignoring their actual character or actual accomplishments--good or bad.

    The Fat thing is just an extension of that. But I do fully admit that I make fun of Flush, but only a return volley for his obvious sexism and racism, especially when he started slamming Hilary for having the audacity to age where people could see her.

    And yea, I am overweight, and I know what Governor Christy is going through. I have been through it myself.

    Imagine going into a doctor's office, observing the so-called, "self-Proclaimed" medical professional doing a half assed job, if that, because they can't get past my fat.

    That pisses me off so bad, I have to walk away and count to 10.

  •  He freakin' drove in a limo 100 yards to his (0+ / 0-)

    helicopter instead of walking! The man does not exercise!

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    by eXtina on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:00:04 PM PST

    •  eXtina, have you ever tried to walk 100 yards (0+ / 0-)

      with asthma AND being overweight?

      Either condition could be handicapping as regards to walking.

      Both conditions together could be especially handicapping in ways that those without either condition cannot fathom.

      Awareness of the "invisible" factors that can and/or do play a role in "exercise" or mobility etal is a big f**** deal.  

      Without "awareness", one can run the risk of being seen as overtly judgmental & without empathy.

  •  The doctor didn't diagnose him with anything (5+ / 0-)

    She was asked if she would be concerned to be physician to a morbidly obese president.  She responded truthfully and specifically by saying that she would be concerned that he might fall victim to the very things that morbidly obese people are more likely to fall victim too than the general public.

    And he was asked about it, and he showed that he's extremely sensitive about his weight.

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    by Spider Stumbled on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:04:23 PM PST

  •  Before you comment about weight issues, please (2+ / 0-)
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    watch this video, and remember---You are talking about fellow human beings, people with hopes and dreams, insecurities, talents, etc. This shy young man says that "Every time someone made fun of him, it took a little piece out of him." I could tell just from watching him talk that he is a sensitive soul who has been insulted and made fun of.
    If you like, keep watching and see what an amazing gift he has. Yeah, it's a stupid TV show, but he's not a stupid person.
    Just going for some empathy development here. Can't have too much empathy!

    Charlotte and Jonathan

    To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

    by kareylou on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:13:23 PM PST

  •  ya know.. (4+ / 0-)

    Fuck that fat fuck..union busting..lower minimum wage asshole..

    Afraid that this guy....on a national campaign?
    he just isn't fat..ok

    and let's be clear..in his life he has used his physical presence to intimidate....

    Can we at least agree that this Gov.. has a track record of being a bully?

    this is just another example....
    oh noes....if we diss him we diss all Americans this really really obese running for serious national office this important...

    Yep.. a doctor stated the obvious...and the Gov went off..cause you know...ponies!

    Anyone lovin' this guy? Anyone think this poor defenseless
    man had every right to go after this doctor?
    Ya all fuckin know better...
    Pity this fuckin asshole?
    Palezzzze

  •  Christie's weight is not as bad as Obama's smoking (0+ / 0-)

    and how many here cared?

    I would not vote for Christie for President. But attacks on his weight are more likely to get him elected.

    •  I think statistically it's about even (0+ / 0-)

      Christie's weight versus Obama's smoking would probably statistically both subtract about ten years of life expectancy from each. The difference, though, is that Christie's weight problems are much more likely to manifest in sudden death or acute health issues that would affect his presidency. At Obama's age, his smoking likely won't become an issue that affects his performance.

  •  How many of the jokers (3+ / 0-)
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    "helpful" concerned citizens and fat haters have their own health problems, stuff that can't be seen just by looking at someone?

  •  I don't dislike Christie because he is obese (6+ / 0-)

    I detest him because he is a conservative, corporate-owned clod who bullied his way from US Attorney into political office. He'd be an asshole if he were 150 pounds lighter. Or heavier. Or green.

  •  I'll take Christie seriously (1+ / 0-)
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    if he wins a GOP primary, which I predict as slim (pardon) - to none.

    Giuliani 2.0 will end as another NE "liberal" footnote by 2016.

    He would have better luck as an independent - extreme weight loss, or not.

    If not us ... who? If not here ... where? If not now ... when?

    by RUNDOWN on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:07:31 PM PST

  •  The average longevity of the US Presidents is 71. (0+ / 0-)

    Cleveland lived to 71 and Taft lived to 72.

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    by dov12348 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:34:41 PM PST

  •  He can't survive the primaries (0+ / 0-)

    The south and evangelicals hate him.  They will never forgive him for speaking well of Obama, they view him as a northeasterner (which they've been told are 'spicious) and unless tomorrow he chains himself to an abortion clinic to shut it down the pro-lifers aren't sold that he's pro-life enough.

    I have a hard time worrying about Christie because he's not a serious presidential candidate.  

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    by Chris Reeves on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:41:34 PM PST

    •  I dunno (1+ / 0-)
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      If Obama is popular going into the 2016 campaign the desire to win will overcome purity tests.  The GOP will be too hungry for the WH and go with whoever they think can win.

      If they think, as they did this cycle, that the WH is theirs to lose, they will let their passions drive their choice.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:47:23 PM PST

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      •  Too logical (0+ / 0-)

        Giant swaths of conservatives don't care about that.  Thus the tea party.  They will vote for ideological purity over anything else, including success.

        And that's been proven repeatedly

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        by Chris Reeves on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:54:28 PM PST

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        •  I want to agree with you (2+ / 0-)
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          And the fact that there will be two responses to the State of the Union point to the open warfare going on in the GOP right now.  I would love to see the Repubs willingly relegate themselves to a permanent minority out of some sense of ideological purity.

          But the wilderness has a way of working magic in American politics, I won't count out the prospects of a Christie just yet.  Especially if the crazy torpedoes the Congressional elections in 2014.

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:13:12 PM PST

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  •  it's not just Chris Christie (1+ / 0-)
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    anybody who says the republicans are "stupid" or "dumb" is underestimating them.

    well, actually they are stupid in an intellectual sense, but consider this.

    A representative in the house APOLOGIZED to BP and that jackass will get re-elected.

    just because your an intellectual midget doesn't mean you're not a conniving, backstabbing, ruthless, amoral bastard who will gladly manipulate people to get re-elected even as you enact policies that hurt them.

    the republicans have figured out how to manipulated people into voting against their own interests, and they are very good at it.

    and democrats can barely defeat this negative, manipulative bunch.

    that tells you something about voters and it tells you something about the democratic party too.

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    by squarewheel on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:52:04 PM PST

  •  man consults with doctor, doctor concludes: (1+ / 0-)
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    you're crazy!
    man: i want a second opinion!
    doctor: you're ugly too!

    bring your own petard.

  •  This is a larger issue unrelated to Christis (1+ / 0-)
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    But on principle I think there's a difference between being bigoted against those who are fat and giving a shit about the people you love. Only the Christies know if he's trying, so I won't comment, but I remember how people like John Candy and Chris Farley got celebrated for being fat and funny, until it wasn't funny anymore.

  •  First, the slimissimple.org movie. It's all true. (1+ / 0-)
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    I lost 60 pounds following that simple regime three years ago and have kept it off the same way.  The ONE thing I think that movie fails to inform people about is the full week or two of terrible withdrawal from starch and sugar.  Most people give up because of those two weeks.  Once you white knuckle through those days the craving for sugar leaves you completely, and you can indeed eat a lot of healthy food and still lose weight.

    Now, Christie.  Here's what bothered me most about his response to the doctor.  He said it scared his son so much that his son came to him and asked, "Dad, are you going to die?"  REALLY?  Like his son wasn't already scared shitless that his dad might die from his morbid obesity?  

    My own son was 7 when he came to me and asked the very same question about my two pack a day smoking habit and I quit the next day.  That was 25 years ago and I never picked up another cigarette.  I lost both parents to cigarettes and I knew the pain of a child living in fear of their parents early demise yet there I was, smoking away.  And as a child, when I said anything to either parent they managed to shut me down with some form of turning their backs on me.  Then they both died within a year of each other.

    So, yeah, I have no judgement on Christie being overweight.  BTDT.  However, sitting on Letterman eating a donut to poke fun at the fact that he's obese really did me in.  His kids are having to live with that everyday.  So is his wife.  You can color it every color from now to Sunday but the fact is that he's without a doubt a neurotic mess if he can so easily be slowly killing himself in front of his family, and trying to pretend he doesn't give a shit.  My parents are both dead.  They never knew my children.  I love and miss them both, but there's still a hurt and mad little girl inside of me because it felt as if they didn't love me more than their drug of choice.  However, it isn't lost on me that their deaths helped save me from the same fate, and thereby saved my sons from the pain of losing a parent too young.

    Food is his drug and he needs to open his eyes to that one.  BTDT.  The withdrawal was hell.  The life after that has been heaven on earth for me.  I wish him well, but most of all, I wish his kids well because they're going to lose him way before it's necessary.  Sadly, BTDT.

    Christie cannot win the Presidency because no matter how much good he's done for his state, THIS will be the conversation we'll all be having about him from the moment he announces.  His tough guy, I don't give a shit donut eating will never change the conversation from his inability to take control of his own health, and his very possible early death.  His weight will make Romney's money and tax dodging pale in comparison. The country will not want to bury a President.   You can be a doctor or a very young child and know that Chris Christie's chances of dying at any given moment are very real.

    And let me just end this by saying this was not the rant of a reformed sinner.  I feel CC's pain and I do not judge him or any other person struggling with an addiction.  This is the rant of the hurt child in me that sees that donut and remembers my parents lighting up another one when I would beg them to quit.  

    •  I can't actually hear the audio for the (0+ / 0-)

      video at that web address on this comp atm, but I got far enough in to find out it's low-carb/high protein.  Which is the same diet I've used to lose 70# and keep it off so far.  I actually didn't have the 2 weeks of withdrawal, but then I don't know that I was addicted to carbs/sugars, I simply tended to eat a lot of them in the past.

      But you're spot on.  That donut was denial, a refusal to actually address reality.

      •  and yet (0+ / 0-)

        you have failed to address reality as well in your own life,

        How do you justify your own "denial"?

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        by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:40:25 AM PST

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      •  Low Carb High Protein diets have their own (1+ / 0-)
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        risks, but you know that.

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        by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:11:37 AM PST

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        •  Yup. (1+ / 0-)
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          Although at this point, I have yet to come across any diet that doesn't have pitfalls in one shape or form.

          I was worried about my kidneys, but as it turns out, even though the percentage of protein in my diet has gone up, my overall protein consumption has gone down.  Simply not being hungry all of the time makes me eat smaller amounts of protein too.

          But there certainly is a reason every diet out there comes with that warning about consulting your doctor.  Of course, even most doctors probably haven't spent the time to know every possible problem or counterindication.

          •  Yes, kidneys, a lack of roughage (1+ / 0-)
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            and usually vitamin supplements are indicated.  It is a great diet for people with Hypoglycemia or even diabetes because it regulates the blood sugar.  I have researched and tried way too many diets.  The only diet that ever worked for me was to regulate calories and give up processed food.

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            by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:12:15 AM PST

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            •  I find the calorie regulation just comes along as (0+ / 0-)

              a side effect.  I'm not constantly being told by my body that I'm hungry, so I don't graze any more.  I did pick up the multivitamins, but I'd need even fewer of those if I was just more careful about including more non-starchy veg.  I've started eating more spaghetti squash, which is a good source of several vitamins, and is surprisingly tasty.

              I do notice I create a lot less fecal matter than I used to, so I'm not sure the roughage is as much of a problem as it could be.  I still do need to work in more veg in general, though, and less dairy.

  •  I haven't mocked Christie about his weight at all. (1+ / 0-)
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    And I won't and I do take him as a serious political threat.

    But he is morbidly obese and he does need to lose weight, and a lot of it.  And there's nothing 'Fristian' about him being diagnosed at a distance in re his obesity, and nothing strange about a former presidential doctor who has experiences with the sort of stresses a Presidential schedule imposes 'weighing in' on the risks of a morbidly obese President.

    You can call it 'mockery' and 'taking a swipe' at him, but it doesn't change reality.

    And I don't do that cardio crap, and I'm losing my own weight nicely.  By my next birthday, I should be at a physiologically healthy weight, having dropped around 135# (~10% over my supposed 'ideal' weight.) and all without having paid a penny to any 'fitness or dieting industry member.

  •  Same with jokes about the South. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think people still realize how many votes were lost by running a stuffy New Englander in '04 and constantly making jokes about southerners like Bush.

  •  Completely agree, Kismet! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for this diary.  I'm a person who could stand to lose a little weight herself.  And yes, I was outraged when Bill ("cat killer") Frist diagnosed Terri Schiavo from afar.  What bloody business was it of his?  And who asked him?

    If I were important enough to have my size talked about publicly, unasked, I'd be livid too. Like you, I would never vote for Christie for POTUS in a million years, but it wouldn't be because of his weight.

    It's interesting that you speak of the weight loss industry as a scam.  I've always thought the "Race for the Cure," pink-ribboned flim-flam of Komen was a scam too.  What, 30 years of "racing" and donating millions, and STILL no cure?  Just what are they spending that money on?  And they should be "racing," if that's what they call walking, for PREVENTION.  

    The kinds of lives most of us are forced to lead in this economy are not conducive to weight loss.  Driving for miles while sitting, just to get to work, and then being tied to a computer all day, then driving the long way home, and then performing a few chores before collapsing into bed, doesn't leave much time for exercise, unless you just want to forego sleep altogether.  I don't think we'll solve our obesity problem while we're stuck in this way of living.  A shorter work day, perhaps company-provided facilities for exercising--all of this could help.  And weekends off would help too.  Some companies want you to work 24/7.

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    by Diana in NoVa on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:19:48 AM PST

  •  You are right in that we should take (2+ / 0-)
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    Christie seriously. He will be one of the GOP threats in 2016, and he has things to overcome-- most notably, his short temper and bellicose manner. That will actually be his downfall.

    Now everything else you say is true. I've been a, um... "big guy" off and on over my life, although I wasn't obese I did have a figure comparable to the Pillsbury Doughboy at a couple of low periods in my life. One thing's for sure, a fat person knows he or she is fat, and certainly isn't "helped" by having people point it out all the damn time. ("Gee, thanks guys, until you said something, I thought I was in danger of sliding down that storm drain! -rolleyes-) And it was certainly unprofessional for a doctor to long-distance diagnose without an actual checkup.

    That said, the problem with fat in society is that for many, being fat is perceived as an inability to control one's impulses. Christie's combative behavior and inappropriate remarks would seem to lend credence to the notion that the guy has poor impulse control.

    So pounding on Chris Christie may be a sign of self-disgust with their own inability to contain themselves. Obviously I have as little supporting my long-distance diagnosis as that doctor did-- it is just a guess on my part since I'm not a medical person of any sort. But I know how I feel, and that I need to constantly watch myself and stay on the ball or risk sliding back into indulgence...

  •  Im not mocking Christie when pointing out that he (1+ / 0-)
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    is obese. I guess If we follow that logic, The First Lady is mocking obese ppl by bringing up awareness on  the danger related to obesity?

    To act like Christie's weight isnt an issue of concern regarding his health is ridiculous.

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    by LaurenMonica on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:55:15 AM PST

  •  Great rant & super valuable link (0+ / 0-)

    I can attest to the benefit of eating as the video recommends.  Almost a year ago my gastroenterologist put me on a strict diet almost identical to that they recommend (it also includes homemade, high-fat yogurt).  Food cravings and hunger vanished instantly.  I became loads more energetic and feel better in a variety of ways, including resolution of some emotional issues (anxiety and depression).  I have lost 40 pounds.

    Just view those processed foods, grain and starch products as evil and you've got it made.  I want to shout it to the rooftops but most people either dismiss it as crackpottery or think it's too hard.  It isn't hard to feel fantastic, and it's amazing how little I miss the sweets and crap.

    Btw my diet book says or implies that a number of artificial sweeteners may act more like sugar than we realize once they get into our system.  It gives saccharin a pass.

    Spot on about Christie, too.

    •  not hard? (0+ / 0-)

      If it is truly so easy, why are even doctors struggling with this?

      I have been to see a number of them and not a single one of them exuded the health you are talking about.

      They seemed stressed and miserable

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      by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:34:08 AM PST

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  •  I like your diary, but (0+ / 0-)

    "That plan is calorie restriction, low fat, and shitloads of cardio exercise. During that time, Americans have exercised and dieted more than ever before. We have successfully cut back the fat in our diets (on average) by something like 10%. And also during that exact same time, by following that prescription, Americans have gotten fatter than ever before."

    is not accurate. TRYING that prescription and failing at it over and over, yes. But sticking with it results in weight loss; I've seen it and know it to be true. FOLLOWING that prescription does NOT cause Americans to be fatter than ever. The FAD diets, the absurd fat-loss pills and machines and potions -- yes, they're phony and horrible. But eating a certain number of calories per day and mostly fruits and vegetables and walking a mile or two (takes 15-30 mintutes) per day is not some kind of voodoo or snake medicine, it's just healthy.

    Do the stresses of life make us do differently? Sure. Do many of my fat friends have happy, productive, creative and admirable lives? Abso-frickin'-tutely. Do I hope they live long, long lives? It will just about kill me if they don't, and I'm not going to be preaching to them about what they should do to lose weight and lower blood pressure, etc.

    Everyone who can read now knows what to do to stay healthy. Unfortunately, no-one has been able to tell us what to do to have perfect self-discipline; this has been true for all time. Until then, we just need to help each other all we can and not hold some failings to be "bigger" and less forgivable than others.

    If it weren't difficult, it wouldn't be an achievement.

    by Wife of Bath on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:24:37 AM PST

    •  the problem is not (0+ / 0-)

      identifying strategies that people cannot stick to.

      The problem is identifying realistic strategies.

      And losing weight can be stressful which produces problems of its own.

      What we need is new ideas, not merely repeating what has already failed.

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      by GideonAB on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:31:22 AM PST

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  •  If weight is a concern for Prez, so is age. (1+ / 0-)
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    Trying to say that Christie is unfit for president because of health issues due to his weight is not smart.

    Who look to be our two most likely candidates for 2016? How old are they?

    If Sec Clinton were to become a two-term president, by 2024 she would be 77. Were it to be Vice Pres. Biden who got the nod, he'd be 82.

    Exactly how do we raise concerns about CC's weight while dismissing them about our likely candidate's age, without looking like ridiculous hypocrites?

    And Christie is dangerous. Sure, he's a right-wing asshole, but he's a smart asshole, which sets him apart from the rest of the GOP possibilities.

  •  Christie Is Too Ethnicky for the GOP Base (1+ / 0-)
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    And I presume he's a Catholic, too, and probably eats smelly food at home instead of good all-American food. He'll never, never, never, never be the nominee.

    He is an big guy -- let's face it, he is very fat.

    There is something about American culture that both loves and hates excess. We never look at a fat person and just see a fat person. We see a failure of self-control, of will, of the instinct of self-preservation.

    The awful fact is that we're really not in control of much that goes on in our lives. I'd venture a guess that almost everyone out there who is really fat is accidentally fat. But we shame them for it regardless.

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    by bink on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:32:15 AM PST

  •  Health risk? Presidential term wise: (2+ / 0-)
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    What is the average risk of a Chris Christie dying in office due to obesity complications as opposed to a Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden dying in office because of complications of aging, since either will be 70 years old by the time they're sworn in?
      Christie would be 55 at swearing in time if he were to win the 2016 election. Compare to William Howard Taft, who topped out at 340 pounds. He died at the age of 73, at a time when medicine was much more primitive than today.

  •  These diaries are getting silly (5+ / 0-)

    Yes, it's okay to doubt Chris Christie's fitness for office because he is obese, for the same reason is was okay to question McCain's fitness because of his age and his bouts with skin cancer. Christie's not applying for a cashier's job at Target.

    No, it's not right to mock or discriminate against people who are overweight. I happen to be one of them, myself (I need to lose about 80 lbs).

    Yes, Chris Christie is unfit to hold the office of president of the United States. Why? Because he goes out of his way to harangue and intimidate individual constituents who, if no one has noticed, have disproportionally less power than he does. Will he do the same thing as president? I would argue "yes, he would" seeing as he engaged in other corrupt practices when he was U.S. Attorney.

    Chris Christie doesn't have the temperament to be president. Chris Christie routinely abuses the powers of every office he holds. The dust-up over his weight is simply an illustration of this. And, even if I supported him (which I don't), I as a voter should take into consideration everything he has to offer -- including potentially poor health.

    We're just a few short years removed from the possibility of "President Palin." A presidential candidate's health is a front-and-center issue.

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    by Tod Westlake on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:41:09 AM PST

  •  no one will read this down here (1+ / 0-)
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    but the issue is: WHY ARE AMERICANS SO FAT?

    and the answer is political: BECAUSE WE DO NOT EAT FOOD; WE EAT FOOD PRODUCT FILLED WITH POISONS WHICH ADD FAT NO MATTER HOW MANY CALORIES WE EAT.

    This is a huge political issue which has everything to do with: PROFIT

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    by BlueDragon on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:42:16 AM PST

  •  Name calling is something you do to the enemy (3+ / 0-)
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    to dehumanize him, so there is less moral reservation about combating him, but it is also something that diminishes you in the process.  Because the population is so vast, it is probably impossible to stop, but if this site could refrain not only from referring negatively to Christie's size (his policies are bad enough), but to the similarity of appearance between the Senate Minority leader and a shelled reptile, or the Speaker of the House and an orange that cries a lot, then it could legitimately remove itself from a continuum that simply has Red State on one side and it on the other, and gain a true moral force in its voice that would be heard by all.

  •  He's doing a "Huckabee makeover" can't you see? (1+ / 0-)
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    This is all shuck and jive around his upcoming run at the presidency.   Before too long it will be a major plank in his platform that if he has the willpower to lose all the weight he needs to, he can do anything.  A Huckabee!

  •  Yawn (0+ / 0-)

    CC may be a formidable candidate if he runs and if he gets through a Republcian primary contest.  But there's a lot of speculation in that.  Let's not get worried about hypothetical poltical contests.

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    by MikeBoyScout on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:23:17 AM PST

  •  I am more worried about this temprament (0+ / 0-)

    than him being fat.

    That said, I am pretty sure that the Republicans in the primaries will figure out how to get him to show off that temper.

    If not, the Democrats will do it in the general election.

    Right now, he looks like the sanest of the likely Republican wannabes.

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:30:51 AM PST

  •  For once, I agree with Chris Christie! (0+ / 0-)

    My fat friends all have lower cholesterol than I do, and manage to exercise more times a week than I do.  It's unthinkable for a doctor to make assumptions based on the way a person looks, somebody they've never examined!  WFT, y'know?

  •  Consider the writer of that front-page diary. (0+ / 0-)

    Consider that writer's catalog of offerings here on DKos.

    Consider me not surprised.

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    by kenlac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:37:28 AM PST

  •  Christie's gluttonous demeanor is unchecked (0+ / 0-)

    This guy will deny himself nothing. He will not suffer any discomfort that does not have the greater reward of making himself the center of attention (a trait common to most politicians).

    He hitched his wagon to Obama's star only after it was abundantly evident that his gain would be much greater than his loss of political capital, very simple math. He would not be denied this easy advancement.

    He did not run for President last time around, because he did not want to be denied.

    DO NOT get between him and his doughnut. He might only see that you doughnut matter.

    •  Wow, way to make an entire character (0+ / 0-)

      out of his weight.

      Is the implication, "Don't get between a fat person and their doughnut."

      I think it is far better to point out the shortcomings of his policy decisions.  Like him cancelling the tunnel into NY.

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      by Sychotic1 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:15:24 AM PST

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      •  His morbid obesity is merely one manifestion (0+ / 0-)

        ... of his many character flaws.

        His single most disqualifying characteristic is his total lack of self control and inability to deny any indulgence.

        He craves attention & approval more than food, but he probably responds quite badly when any of these supplies are threatened.

        His lack of virtue is fair game, and is at the core of his character.

  •  I will probably just mock Christie for... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...yelling at teachers, his constituents, reporters, and anybody who crosses him. And for being one of the most thin-skinned professional politicians in recent memory.

  •  sorry but the Emperor has no clothes (0+ / 0-)

    Christie isn't fat he is morbidly obese
    it was quite shocking to see him on David Letterman
    Christie could not even sit in the Guest chair because he was to wide.

    There is fat and there is unhealthy excessively obese

    Christie is the later

    Unless he takes off 50 to 100 pounds there is no way he is winning in 2016

    "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill

    by smartone on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:21:26 AM PST

  •  Since we're retiring tiresome memes... (0+ / 0-)

    can we stop with the Bill "Cat Killer" Frist one? He's been out of politics for 5 years now and has been apparently doing good things with his time. He helped lead a non-partisan effort to fight AIDS and poverty in the developing world.

    He has also been seen on Real Time offering reasonable analysis on the individual mandate and making the an argument for universal health care while valiantly trying (unsuccessfully) to ">talk sense to Bill Maher about vaccines.

    The Schiavo fiasco was politics at it's worst, but he was just following orders. Like many politicians befor and since he no doubt rationalized it all away as a necessary trade off for his presidential ambitions. He probably felt he would make up for it all when he was POTUS and solved all the world's problems. If folks can forgive Bill Clinton for DOMA, then they can cut Frist some slack for that nasty bit of political theater.

    As far as the cat killing, I looked into that and there is no evidence that Frist misrepresented what his intentions were with regard to the cats in question, they were going to be put down anyway, and there is no reason to believe the animals were destroyed inhumanely.

    You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

    by Eric Stratton on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:50:47 AM PST

  •  All you need to know about Chris Christie (0+ / 0-)

    is his irritability when his holy word is questioned "irreverently" and his attendance at that sporting event when he flew in on a state-owned helicopter and then rode a limousine 100 yards to the bleachers.

    Pretty much says it all about the man.  Even if I knew nothing about his physical attributes that would say to me that he's an intolerant, self-centered jerk off.  

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:30:10 PM PST

  •  Defending Chris Christie over his fatness (0+ / 0-)

    is still defending Chris Christie.  Continuing to do so will bring with it the peril of my noting that no one has, in all of history, ever seen Christie and the Hindenburg in Lakehurst simultaneously.

    Now unlike many obese people I know of who are obese due to unhealthy diet and lack of physical activity --- both the hallmarks of poverty and unemployment, Christie fits into neither category.  He possesses both wealth and power, and there's not one damned defensible reason for his obesity.

    Flame away!

    Proponents of gun violence own guns. Opponents of gun violence do not own guns. What part of this do you not understand?

    by Liberal Panzer on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:34:00 PM PST

  •  here ya go (1+ / 0-)
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    In this video.an example of another Christie..demean the messenger... freeze the paper headline at 17 sec... It has a Christie quote "Man up and say I'm fat"

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    So a female Doctor "man's up" Christie goes off and the Kos community gets sucked into Christie's whirlpool of crap...

    Christie is a fucking bully  and playing people here for fucking rubes...

  •  I understand the point you are trying to make (0+ / 0-)

    but you lose credibility when you say things like

    They get blood pressure medicine prescribed to them without having had their blood pressure checked.
    This just isn't true of any competent doctor and any doctor that would do this is almost certainly not limiting their quackery to their overweight patients.

    It is a fact that being severely obese is very dangerous for you as it increases your risk for many, many diseases and ailments.

    There really isn't such a thing as a "healthy, severely obese" person which is why the doctor's quote was "You are the healthiest fat person I know" or something like that.  

    It doesn't take a genius (or even a doctor) to know that Christie's life-span will be decreased if he stays at his current size.   Along with the stress of a presidential campaign and God-forbid the stress of being President, he would be at high risk for problems.

    When our nation faces a national obesity crisis, it doesn't help to have Christie out there eating donuts on the talk shows and claiming he is healthy.

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