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Well, if the White House actually sticks to its guns, this is a pretty big f*cking deal.  Per TPM:

The White House bluntly ruled out raising the Medicare eligibility age as part of a plan to reduce the federal debt on Monday.

“The president has made clear that that’s not the right policy to take," press secretary Jay Carney reiterated during a daily briefing at the White House.

Of course, I suspect the White House is still favorable to the chained CPI idea for Social Security.  But in the last week the White House has said 1) that they would reject cuts to Medicaid, and 2) they are not in favor of raising the Medicare eligibility age.  Very encouraging signals coming from the White House so far.

I know, some folks are going to say it was because of pressure from the left, others that it was Obama's master plan all along, but whatever the reason the White House came to this decision to stand firm on these two great health care programs, I'm happy about it.

I'll just throw in that a little (or a lot of) rabble-rousing on these issues obviously doesn't hurt.  If it even played a small part in bringing this about, I'm all for it and won't mind seeing more of it in future budget battles, and frankly all future political battles to come.

But, if the President holds firm on this (which, given that he is still a politician, no one should take for granted), this is a big win for the American people.

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  •  Tip Jar (19+ / 0-)

    “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

    by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 10:41:39 AM PST

  •  Mixed signals (8+ / 0-)

    So how did it come up?  There's been so much weasel speak on this issue.   Does Carney even know?

    It could be that they've finally figured out just how bad a reaction they'd get from middle aged voters.  This may be sinking in.  I mean they'll never get Obamacare implemented if people are furious about Medicare.  If they're ever going to raise the age, they've got to get Obamacare working FIRST.  

    •  I don't pretend to know what exactly (2+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, FloridaSNMOM

      the White House's thought process here was, but whatever it was, I'll take it.

      My guess is that angry middle aged voters, who mostly voted for the other guy in this past election, were less worrisome to the White House than a pissed off and divided coalition.

      The White House needs its coalition to remain united in order to pass immigration reform, gun control, and other big things on its agenda.  Taking an eligibility age increase, and especially taking Medicaid cuts off the table would definitely help put some minds at ease among members of the Obama coalition.

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:01:31 AM PST

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  •  Refuse to celebrate (9+ / 0-)

    the idea that this WH may possibly not do something evil.  

    Call me a purist if you like.

    The fact we treat something like this as a potential victory is the reason we always get owned.

    •  I hear you (3+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, ferg, marina

      but disagree that celebrating victories leads to getting "owned".  I think pats on the back are good in the same way that commending students or employees when they do a good job is good.  Anything to encourage more of such behavior.

      But while we celebrate, we must remain vigilant.  You get "owned" when you starting giving the benefit of the doubt to politicians or, on the opposite end, you become consumed with cynical despair.  

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:07:45 AM PST

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    •  A Better Reason to Celebrate Would be If WH (8+ / 0-)

      went on the offensive and proposed lowering the Medicare age to zero. Then the repugs would scramble to cut a deal that only lowers the eligibility age to 35.

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:14:02 AM PST

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  •  too vague (6+ / 0-)

    that the President feels it's "not the right policy" is good but it doesn't mean he won't, after due consideration, decide otherwise, as part of an agreement.

    For now it's the best stand to take.

    •  I love this website! (2+ / 0-)

      I saw this news on Twitter and rushed over here in desperate need of a "this cracked glass is at least half empty" fix. And BOOM - there you are! I can now exhale, not that have ever, you know "inhaled!"

      •  the difference between us, I think... (3+ / 0-)

        is whether we trust the President's word. It's just as predictable that those who feel differently than I do will rush here to write diaries about what a BFD this is, even though it's a fairly off the cuff response that is not the final word.

        •  I'm not sure that's the difference between us. (1+ / 0-)
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          Shahryar

          I'm definitely more of a glass half full optimist. But even that optimism is always tempered with caution. However when stories like this break, I believe in rewarding the good behavior with positive reinforcement rather than by repeating the same cynical skepticism already voiced by the diarist. It seems your distrust tips the scales toward the negative, while my cautious optimism has the opposite effect.

          As another commenter noted upthread, this doesn't seem like something to be celebrated. However raising the Medicare eligibility age would definitely help reduce the cost of the program (while just pushing the cost elsewhere). Given the stubbornness of our opposition, I see no harm in cheering for an affirmation of the status quo. While perhaps not a "victory" it's also not a defeat. Sometimes even that deserves a cheer. IMHO.

    •  No one should get complacent (2+ / 0-)
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      history is littered with examples of politicians who said they would never ever do X, Y, and Z, only to end up doing X, Y, and Z.  But politicians love to be loved, and they live for getting praise for being good.  I'm for anything that might encourage more of such behavior in the future.

      But while we brandish the carrot, we should always keep the stick close at hand.

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:21:34 AM PST

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  •  Was there any follow-up question to Carney (3+ / 0-)
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    greenbell, puakev, liberaldemdave

    after this?

    The White House bluntly ruled out raising the Medicare eligibility age as part of a plan to reduce the federal debt on Monday.
    Does the White House also bluntly rule out raising the Medicare eligibility age to reform Medicare?
    •  Pathetic isn't it that we have to parse sentences (3+ / 0-)

      on an issue like Medicare.  I mean you would think your political party could construct a simple sentence on this issue.

      •  Isn't it interesting, though, that the (2+ / 0-)
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        TheLizardKing, elmo

        man who strengthened Medicare via the ACA, which led to outrage here because it was just a centrist plot to trash Medicare, is still facing outrage here despite 4 years of data proving his commitment to the safety net.  

        It makes me wonder how the Republican Party can be thought to be struggling.  Democrats are so adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory we'll ensure electoral victories when Joe Arpaio is heading the national ballot.  They don't need to change they just need to wait for us to implode.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:41:56 PM PST

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        •  If you believe he strengthened Medicare (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm not so sure.  When you discourage providers from taking Medicare patients you hurt the usual suspects - the poor and the under served.  I don't know the full impact of the cost cuts but when costs are cut the people who generally suffer are those who can't pass on the cuts to anyone else.

          The point for me is that I do not believe them and I do not trust them anymore.  When they say "strengthen" or "technical change" I have to go find a health economist to tell me if I just got screwed in the fine print.  

          I don't repeat their spin.  I'm not a party robot that's going to go out and LIE to people in 2014 and tell them that Social Security was "strengthened" if what they really do is cut the COLA in the fine print.  

          If they keep pulling these tricks they are going to lose the trust of tens of millions of voters.  

          •  Then you aren't paying close (1+ / 0-)
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            attention.  The people who were "hurt" were scammers in the durable goods industries and the middlemen profiteers the Republicans enriched with their unfunded no price negotiation allowed prescription drug plan.  The rest of us got no-copay diagnostic testing, better access to a stronger program that covers more essentials, and the fun of knowing fraudsters were finally going to jail.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:47:58 PM PST

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          •  Well so many progressives don't seem (0+ / 0-)

            to think he's a real Progressive President, why is that terminology worth making a point?   He's managed to sneak a whole lot of great policies past both the RW and the LW, without much help from either side.  CFPB is being strangled in it's infancy and barely rates a mention here, but BENGHAZI!!!!! sure pulled a lot of interest yesterday.  Roger must be so proud.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:55:36 PM PST

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            •  My comment has nothing to do with (3+ / 0-)
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              labels.  It has to do with idolizing a politician.  When it's something someone likes, Obama did it.  When it's something that is bad for our country and Obama is at the helm, it's We didn't have 60 votes in the Senate, and now it's, We have a republican congress.

              -------------------

              Actually, he didn't.  

              He's managed to sneak a whole lot of great policies past both the RW and the LW, without much help from either side.
              Ostensibly we have three branches of government, so if Obama snuck something past someone, that's a huge problem.
              •  Funding the CFPB through the Fed, (0+ / 0-)

                not Congress.  Adding Pell Grant funding to every budget negotiation.  Building manufacturing in this country via small business funding.  Increasing our exports by negotiating trade agreements while overseas.  Strengthening the EPA.  Raising mileage standards.  Hooking TARP loans to CEO pay.  No he didn't do all those things alone, but he sure doesn't get much credit for moving really progressive changes in governance, or for being the first President to actually get a Health Care bill passed, or for getting a chunk of money from BP, while EXXON keeps stonewalling the victims of the Valdez.

                It's about hero worship, though, so I won't add any more items.  I need to go now and practice being more cynical and more fearful.

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:43:14 PM PST

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            •  what policies did he "sneak" through? (2+ / 0-)
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              Please provide more information.

              "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

              by temptxan on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:50:32 PM PST

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              •  The sneaky "here's an extra special benefit (2+ / 0-)
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                temptxan, m16eib

                for ya?"  That one?

                •  got to be more, the comment said "a whole lot of (2+ / 0-)
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                  m16eib, gooderservice

                  great policies". Can't wait for that list. I want to see what this President did all on his own with no help from congress or anyone else. I was under the impression that he couldn't do much because of the republicans.

                  "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

                  by temptxan on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:10:04 PM PST

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                •  Well it benefits me that I can (0+ / 0-)

                  get mammograms without a co-pay.  That was extra special since one sister died of breast cancer and another is fighting it right now.  But that's just me, being a idolator.

                  I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                  by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:50:40 PM PST

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                  •  I'm sorry to hear about your sister. (0+ / 0-)

                    But "free" mammograms now was included in the bill the House and Senate passed and Obama signed the bill.  But that's only for people with health insurance to my understanding.

                    •  no it's tied to Medicare. I had (0+ / 0-)

                      to pay a large co-pay for all diagnostic testing, making mammograms unaffordable.  This was something Obama pushed for when he was working on the ACA.  It was personal for him.  

                      The point is that we lost all the subtle benefits the ACA brought in all the noise about no PO, or not going bold with single-payer.  It was a miracle that anything passed, and we missed that, too.  Instead of building on our first real platform for reform we yelled "kill the bill", and now just just grouse about it's shortcomings.  

                      We win and it's not good enough so we wait for the next generation to strengthen it.  Exactly as we did with SS and Medicare.  We're doing the same thing with the CFPB. We ignore it's effectiveness because someone told us Obama was a weakling for not putting Elizabeth Warren in charge.  She built it!  He put her in charge of creating it, setting policies and standards and the working guts of it.  Then she won a tough election and is a Senator with far more power to impact our financial system.  Obama also took funding for the bureau away from the Senate so they can't starve it like they did FEMA, OSHA, PCA.  They're livid and they're killing it, and we have diaries about chained CPI and RW books about BENGHAZI!!!!, popes, Sheriff Joe, but little about CPFB because the Common Wisdom has been laid out and we're marching like lemmings to the sea.  

                      We're the smart ones and we're acting like Fox News viewers.  Someone told us something, it took hold, we don't look deeper we just repeat the talking points.  

                      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                      by I love OCD on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 06:54:22 AM PST

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                      •  You call it noise, I call it what it is: (0+ / 0-)

                        Helping people and saving lives.

                        •  Who's helped when CFPB is gutted? Who (0+ / 0-)

                          wins when Medicare fraud is a growth industry?  Who wins when Republican governors can refuse a Medicaid expansion?  How many lives are saved when $110 is taken from my SS check to pay private insurers to tell me the medication I need is too expensive so here's your option?  

                          If retirees with large retirement accounts are asked to take lower cost of living increases, who dies?  If they lose those savings to medical expenses isn't it likely they'll be with the rest of us, getting larger increases?  

                          Reflexive outrage doesn't leave room for common sense discussions.  So how are we different from the Tea Party?

                          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                          by I love OCD on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 12:36:21 PM PST

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                          •  So you're looking forward to chained CPI. (0+ / 0-)

                            You must be proud.

                          •  I'm waiting to see what's actually done. (0+ / 0-)

                            It's something I learned to do here, after months of jumping on High Drama Alerts that turned out to be nothing.

                            I'm assessing the likelihood that Obama was just waiting for his second term to gut the safety net he spent his first term strengthening.  

                            I tend to look harder at what's been done than to respond to OMG HE MIGHT.  I learned a painful lesson during the health care reform battles that raged here.  We had 3 or 4 really excellent bills to throw our weight behind and we squandered that time, money and energy on fighting Blue Dogs.  A side issue.  Who knows how good an outcome we might have promoted if we hadn't been caught up in the "True Progressives vs the DLC" battle?  

                            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                            by I love OCD on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 08:11:43 AM PST

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                          •  It would behove you to listen to his spokesperson. (0+ / 0-)
                            I tend to look harder at what's been done than to respond to OMG HE MIGHT.
                            Who said Obama wants a chained CPI.

                            Sorry, but this "Oh, I'll wait," is ridiculous.  Speak out now.  Because after it's a done deal, it's too, too late.

                          •  Believe me the WH has heard from me (0+ / 0-)

                            about this.  I'm barely surviving on SS plus some money for playing the organ in a church.  It's personal, it has weight in my life, I'm still not convinced I'm going to be screwed.  Obama had a lot of opportunities to cut SS benefits when he was trying to engage the Republicans in active governance.  Now he's telling them to do the job or get out of his way.  This is not a guy who's trying to please them in order to get stuff done.  I still think it's more likely he's setting them up to go on record with shit that will kill SS.  

                            I don't think the VAWA vote was timed coincidentally.  The Savior of the GOP supports wife-beaters is not what they had in mind when Rubio was chosen to fake respond.

                            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                            by I love OCD on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:26:43 PM PST

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              •  see above, then Google. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:49:14 PM PST

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    •  That's an excellent question (1+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice

      but I can't confirm if it was asked.  I'll need to look at the transcript.  The WH has been known to play these games with semantics (such as "slash" benefits versus "trim").

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:25:52 AM PST

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  •  Excellent news. (2+ / 0-)
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    Now we just have to get chained-CPI off the table, and replace whatever savings come from that with any number of other useful proposals: raising the SocSec taxable limit; a transaction tax on speculative trading; corporate giveaways, especially to ship jobs away from the US... then we'll have unalloyed victories on the safety-net front.


    We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

    by Jim P on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:19:48 AM PST

    •  I'd also like to see Medicare reform (1+ / 0-)
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      by way of letting Medicare use its purchasing power to bargain for cheaper drugs.  It'd save possibly $200 billion or so over 10 years depending on how robust it would be.  The more solvent Medicare's finances are, the less likely we'll be even contemplating raising the eligibility age.  

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:29:28 AM PST

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  •  If the White House were to come out and favor (6+ / 0-)

    reducing the Medicare eligibility age -- allowing buy in at cost at age 55, say, now that would be a

    BIG FUCKING DEAL

  •  How about "I will VETO any increase in the (5+ / 0-)

    Medicare or Social Security eligibility age".  

    Can we get that in the SOTU please?  It's really not complicated.  

  •  you can stop suspecting and put it in the (3+ / 0-)
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    obama is willing to negotiate with senior's and the disabled's livelihood!!!

    Of course, I suspect the White House is still favorable to the chained CPI idea for Social Security.
    Medicare Eligibility Age Off The Table In Sequestration Talks, White House Says:

    emph added:

    But while Democrats may rejoice over this new development, they will likely be disheartened by another. Carney said on Monday that the president would be open to reducing Social Security's benefit structure as part of a "big deal" to avert sequestration. That proposal, known as chained CPI, would alter the annual adjustment in how benefits are paid to Social Security recipients by using a less generous baseline of inflation.

    "He has put forward a technical change, as part of a big deal," said Carney. "A technical change of CPI is possible as part of a big deal."

    •  Oh, NO you DON'T (1+ / 0-)
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      liberaldemdave

      You think I am going to put up with paying for you to build drones to kill foreign civilians when you are willing to let senior citizens go hungry at home?  

      Listen up, if you want to keep Americans safer, you might start by making sure they have food and shelter here at home.

      I will vote on this issue.

    •  ARGGHHHHH!!!! (4+ / 0-)

      And "technical change".   BIG FAT F**KING LIE.  

      What you are supposed to say Carney is that Obama is willing to reduce your Social Security payment every month for the rest of your life.

      If you are going to do that Mr. President, stop having your press Secretary LIE to every senior in the United States.  

      This is not a technical change it is a reduction in Social Security benefits.

      This is just another reason why I will vote on this issue.  I am so sick of Democrats lying about Medicare and Social Security cuts.  

      You gave tax cuts to people making $400K.  But someone getting 3.5% of $400K will get their Social Security COLA cut.  

      You are balancing the budget on the backs of the vulnerable elderly and you are lying about doing it.
      '

    •  How much does SS contribute to the deficit? (0+ / 0-)
      MR. CARNEY:  Jon Karl from ABC.

           Q    Jay, yes, can you just clarify for me very clearly -- is the President open to raising the eligibility age for Medicare?

           MR. CARNEY:  No.

           Q    Absolutely not?

           MR. CARNEY:  The President has made clear that we don’t believe that that’s the right policy to take.  The President has made clear in the proposals he put forward to John Boehner, that John Boehner walked away from late last year, that he’s willing to make tough choices with regards to entitlement reform.

           Q    But not that choice?

           MR. CARNEY:  That’s correct.

           Q    What about reducing the annual cost of living increases for Social Security recipients?

           MR. CARNEY:  Again, as part of a big deal, part of a comprehensive package that reduces our deficit and achieves that $4-trillion goal that was set out by so many people in and outside of government a number of years ago, he would consider that the hard choice that includes the so-called chain CPI, in fact, he put that on the table in his proposal, but not in a cherry-picked or piecemeal way.  That’s got to be part of a comprehensive package that asks that the burden be shared; that we don’t, as some in Congress want, ask seniors to bear the burden of further deficit reduction alone, or middle-class families who are struggling to send their kids to college, or parents of children who are disabled who rely on programs to help them get through.

      That’s just not fair and it doesn’t make economic sense -- because the choice would be, let’s do that, but hold harmless the wealthy; let’s do that, put the burden on seniors alone, but not close loopholes in our tax code that are available to wealthy individuals or corporations, but not to average folks or small businesses.  And that doesn’t make any sense.

      How do you explain to a senior that we’re doing this, asking you to sacrifice, but we’re not saying that corporate jet owners should lose their special tax incentive; we’re not saying to oil and gas companies who are making record profits that they should forego these huge subsidies that taxpayers provide?  That’s not fair and it’s not good economics.

           Q    But I just want to be clear what you said at the beginning of that answer, which is the President --

           MR. CARNEY:  It is not our --

           Q    -- as part of an overall balanced approach, he does not rule out effectively reducing benefits for Social Security recipients?

           MR. CARNEY:  He has put forward a technical change as part of a big deal -- and it’s on the table -- that he put forward to the Speaker of the House.  The Speaker of the House, by the way, walked away from that deal even though it met the Republicans halfway on revenues and halfway on spending cuts and included some tough decisions by the President on entitlements.  The Speaker walked away from that deal.

           But as part of that deal, the technical change in the so-called CPI is possible in his own offer as part of a big deal.

      http://www.dailykos.com/...
  •  You're right that it's encouraging and all we can (1+ / 0-)
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    puakev

    do is wish and continue to act in our work to save the "social safety net" programs.

    What concerns me greatly is that so many from the mainstream media, analysts, and politicians in addition to the organized and well-funded propagandists who are transparent in their efforts, still don't give a vivid or researched account of how many people will suffer from individual reforms.  They become simply an abstraction rather than a documented argument against the rightwing propagandistic accusations of lazy cheaters and immoral bums.

    Luckily the majority of Americans are able to see past the dishonesty in the asserted necessity for the reforms, but until our leaders who can influence the outcome of legislation speak with conviction and specificity challenging and refuting the necessity for cuts then it's difficult to be optimistic.

    I've always believed the greatest impact is in massive physical protest, but if written petition is the only feasible  means then we are faced with the challenge of combining the numerous smaller activist petitions into one or two that can attract enough signers to have impact.  By impact, I'm thinking at least a million or more advocates.  On the national level for important legislation I think that number would have influence.

    Any individual effort is worthwhile, if nothing else as a matter of personal integrity, but until we can consolidate to create momentum I remain sceptical that we can reverse the rightward trend over time.

    More: Some men think the Earth is round, others think it flat; it is a matter capable of question. But if it is flat, will the King's command make it round? And if it is round, will the King's command flatten it?

    by blueoasis on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:35:46 AM PST

  •  Chained CPI will raise a lot of money (5+ / 0-)

    $112 billion over 10 years just from Social Security cuts.  

    Age raising, not so much.  Age raising increases costs for Medicaid/SSI and makes people sicker when they start getting care because care is unaffordable without Medicare.

    Chained CPI cuts benefits and raises taxes.  It hits veterans, people on disability, and pushes people into higher tax brackets as well as cutting benefits for seniors.  The tax increases fall most heavily on people making $30-40k/yr. It is a dishonest effort to cut benefits without admitting that is what the Congress is doing, with the harm accumulating as years go by and the current administration is long gone.

    •  as a disabled person, (2+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, 2laneIA

      if i can't afford decent nutrition, i'm going to be spending more medicare dollars treating malnutrition related issues.

      and 'round and 'round we go.

    •  And I am sure that in Iowa as in Minnesota (2+ / 0-)
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      you have a lot of older voters who like me do not care about immigration at all.  And we don't really care about gun control either because we know you are not serious about it anyway.  And we don't care about drones keeping us safer because no one is going to attack Iowa or Minnesota.  No, we just grow National Guard troops out here to be sent abroad to become veterans which you then cheat out of their benefits.

      And out here in the good old frozen Midwest we like people who tell us the truth to our face and do not stab us in the back when we are not looking.   People like Tom Harkin who probably gave fighting the weasels.

  •  so this diary is, perhaps, accidentally, dishonest (0+ / 0-)

    because in the same statement by Carney he talked about chained CPI, as we see in lunachickie's diary.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    I feel a bit manipulated into praising the President when, in context, this is not a good thing at all.

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