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I'm not going to make much of a diary today as I have to attend an Oracle Open House event with a friend in Emeryville.

However, I just have to say, what is going on with Craigslist these days?  Is Craig Newmark just absolutely INSANE?  

I used to like Craigslist.  It would be a great source for applying for positions, looking for apartments, even occasionally getting dates and touching base with others on meeting at certain places.

However, aside from job postings, Craigslist's reputation has really gone downhill lately, maybe for a long time but in the past few months and recent years, the site has undergone a transformation that is pretty ugly:

1)  More ads are separating different job postings
2)  Just as many scammers and nuts are using Craigslist as before.
3)  The layout and functionality for posting articles is just awkward, even though the process to post things is getting better.

There are additional facts:

Craigslist is no longer the reliable source it used to be.  Noting the history of flakes who say they're going to an event posted on Craigslist but never show up, more people are turning to Meetup as it's more transparent and more interactive.  Eventbrite is also the go-to place for events, whether industry, networking or even community events in general.  I used to be able to get some dates off Craigslist, even good ones, for free but those people or others have flocked to Meetup, Stir events via Match.com and other sources.

Anyway, I welcome any of you to vent or discuss Craigslist.  Supposedly Craig Newmark is progressive but I just don't see that anymore.  Sorry Craig but you can't keep Craigslist in just a simple bulletin board format anymore.  You're losing customers.

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  •  daughter found bargain price on furniture (9+ / 0-)

    by someone who was supposedly moving.  On their way to look at furniture, got a call.  Roommate wanted to keep piece but would let it go for another $50.  Daughter agreed, and minutes later, another call, seller was having second thoughts needed another $100.  Daughter agreed if it was up to snuff.  Minutes later, another phone call that someone else had shown up and offered $200 more.  Daughter told seller to shove it and headed home    

    •  In fairness, (8+ / 0-)

      the same sort of thing could have happened with a newspaper ad. Not sure why this reflects badly on Craiglist specifically.

    •  I have never had this happen, but I am sure (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Lujane, liz dexic, Sharon Wraight

      that there are some real assholes out there.

      Craigslist has been good to me, but I live in midtown and generally stick to midtown in my Craigslist shopping so that I can basically walk to the address.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 04:54:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  CL is based in San Francisco (0+ / 0-)

        And I've been down by its headquarters.  I don't know the operations inside the company but they just seem to me to be sketchy.  I mean, how Craig Newmark made all this money and not expanded on it more is beyond me.  Why not have a big headquarters?  You don't have to be uber corporate.   Look at all these Internet Marketing companies in San Francisco.  They're small but they're not located in places like the Inner Sunset.  They're located in Downtown SF and in the SoMa, where Internet companies in SF belong.

        I mean, change in progressive values are happening much faster thanks to Google, which wasn't founded by progressives, mind you, but it has brought about change in the world faster than Craig Newark can develop another idea.

    •  my favorite Craigslist gripe is the ones (6+ / 0-)

      who call up about something that's you have listed which is both inexpensive and easily portable, and want to know if you will deliver it to them.

      I once posted an ad listing some canning jars I no longer needed...I had about 4 cases of them, and was letting them go at 25 cents each.  Sure enough..."can you deliver them to me?"

      There are some real bottom feeders on CL.

      Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 05:11:37 PM PST

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      •  four cases of glass jars? (5+ / 0-)

        I'd've gladly paid an extra nickel per for delivery. Most of the people that I know, who can nowadays are my age or older. I wouldn't want to try to carry that many jars by foot, bike, motorcycle, or public transportation. Does that make me a bottom feeder?

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:22:27 PM PST

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      •  The proper way to end (2+ / 0-)
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        liz dexic, BachFan

        a Craigslist selling post: "cash/pick up only". I never had a problem with being asked for delivery...but I suppose if someone had been that stupid, I'd simply delete their message unanswered.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 08:57:37 PM PST

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      •  LOl had that one too. Also had someone who wanted (3+ / 0-)

        me to pay the cost of shipping a car I had for sale... then they would front me the car price and shipping cost through paypal... It was a bogus scam. The supposed buyer (scammer) claimed to be out on the ocean working on a science ship. I fell over laughing.

        But Ebay was far worse because Ebay would side with buyers and they knew it so almost everything I ever sold there had scammers coming out of the woodwork after seeing my low transaction numbers. Thought I was ignorant and gullible.

        I have found that if something isn't worth much to offer it free and they have no problem picking it up. LOL

        Fear is the Mind Killer...

        by boophus on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:17:25 PM PST

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  •  As with everything "internet", a good idea (6+ / 0-)

    that is used by good people eventually gets sucked into the shit.  It's just how it works.  Always has and always will.  Until we change human nature, every good-intentioned internet idea will be co-opted and sabotaged.

    David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

    by PsychoSavannah on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 05:08:21 PM PST

  •  If you wanna slam a service that's really tanked (5+ / 0-)

    Slam eBay.

    CL is still very useful, at least to me.  YMMV.

    "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

    by Richard Cranium on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 05:15:26 PM PST

    •  eBay sucks but is very useful (0+ / 0-)

      I have been able to get some great deals on things there over the past few years.  It sucks to sell things as well as dealing with paypal, but I use eBay a lot.  I picked up a video game there last week for about $15 that goes for more than double in the local vintage video game shops.

    •  Yup, still useful (4+ / 0-)

      I scored a $3.5k Italian sectional sofa for $150 on Monday. It's cleaning up well and needs about $100 repairs.

      The seller was very cool and, with a friend, helped load it in my minivan.

      Due diligence my friend, due diligence.

      There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

      by virginislandsguy on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:31:45 PM PST

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    •  The changes for buyer protection have made (0+ / 0-)

      selling risky even if you are completely legitimate. I've read too many recent horror stories of returned items that weren't the items shipped, and other ways that buyers have abused the "buyer protection".  

      Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

      by kbman on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 12:48:26 AM PST

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  •  I don't use Craigslist, so you would know better (3+ / 0-)
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    annieli, MNGlasnant, LNK

    than I, but it was used by a dude to find women to kill & I would think that was the low point.

    Who cares what banks may fail in Yonkers. Long as you've got a kiss that conquers.

    by rasbobbo on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 05:18:45 PM PST

  •  I have sold things on Craigslist (2+ / 0-)

    It has been a couple of years but it used to be ok to sell things that would have gone to goodwill otherwise.

  •  I only use it for garage sales. (0+ / 0-)

    No date time and place listed?
    Not a garage sale.

  •  Scammer (0+ / 0-)

    I have engaged a scammer for the past several days regarding a vacation rental.  The price was too good, the scammer always responded quickly, of course the unit was available the week I wanted.

    Being careful the scammer was involved via several email communications in which he/she was asked question to which he/she provided vague answers and wished to tell me of his/her honesty and integrity instead of addressing my questions.  His/her email messages originated from Arlington Heights, IL and then Liverpool England.

    Anyone with these skills should not be engaged so he/she was not reported as a scammer so I suspect he is scamming someone else as this message is being composed.

  •  the fornat change sucks nt (0+ / 0-)

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 06:02:43 PM PST

  •  Not snark - did you send this to Craig Newark? (1+ / 0-)
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    Sharon Wraight

    Is he on Daily Kos?

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    by mumtaznepal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:40:35 PM PST

  •  If not for jerky sellers, flaky buyers & spambots (2+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, kbman

    Craigslist would be just great.

  •  CL now blows (0+ / 0-)

    I've had some nice experiences with CL in the past, however, it's been a few years and have tried selling a few items within the past few months and get almost nothing but spam replies to my ads. I was able to sell one item, but I had to sift through a bunch of spam replies as well.

    It's a shame what happened to that site.

  •  craigslist is a hive of scum and villainy -- and (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    liz dexic

    has been since 2006 at least.  The admins don't do shit to stop the spamming or scamming and simply claim that the community will take care of that.  What a fucking cop out, blaming their inept security on the victims and users.  The reason that craigslist is worse than ever is because the scammers are 100x more nimble than the community and are running circles around the admins.

    •  Yeah... (1+ / 0-)
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      Miggles

      Craig Newmark is just not that progressive.  I'm sorry but supposedly he's an IT guy but he must be one of those washed up IT guys who really could care less about what the world thinks and just seems to be all about his own "liberal ego."

      Simple just doesn't cut it anymore.  I'm sorry but Newark's enterprise's reputation is SPLAT.  They're never all that transparent and they really suck at PR.  Seriously, how the frickin hell does Craigslist still survive is beyond me.  It's still in the same vault known as its "headquarters" in Inner Sunset and acted like the Republicans in Congress in terms of addressing scams and predators on the CL site.  

      Seriously, if you want to be progressive, BE PROGRESSIVE.  

      •  I don't see (0+ / 0-)

        how your problems with the site reflect on whether or not he's progressive. And if you don't like the site, don't use it.

        We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

        by denise b on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:37:16 AM PST

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        •  Progressive goes beyond politics my friend (1+ / 0-)
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          Miggles

          Being a Berkeley native and actually living in this city before Craigslist and Daily Kos event existed, the term progressive never came about when I was growing up.  It was either liberal of conservative, Democrat or Republican.  In the past ten or so years, far left liberals (more liberal than just liberals or moderate liberals) were considered to be the most liberal out of everyone.  Now it's progressive.

          However, what does the term progressive mean?  It means that most people who are such are to a greater degree liberal.  Yes, there are a lot of progressives on Daily Kos (even Howard Dean being one of them).  However, if you look at the term more closely, being progressive doesn't mean you're just liberal, you're practical and you look at things in a forward thinking fashion.  In other words, you don't just think about yourself, the people you work with and your company, you think about others in general, the people who are affected by your service.

          And to make a point, I made a post on Daily Kos talking about Craigslist.  The point was, this was a discussion me and others were having whether anyone likes it or not.  It really doesn't matter to me whether people use Craigslist or not.  I'm not persuading people to use it or not use it.

          However, considering a great deal of Kossacks have used CL in the past (and perhaps present), I'm sorry to say but Craig Newmark and his other employees on Craigslist need to crack down and take more initiative more to prevent people from being duped into Nigerian scams and such.  How could this be started?  Well, CL could require ALL users have log-in accounts.  That means you and I cannot respond to any post on CL without a log-in account.  Currently there are log-in accounts to use on CL but the problem is, they're not required.  This would avoid a heck of a lot of legal problems CL would have to deal with.  Then of course, Newmark and others could monitor the log-in accounts and activity and kick users off for abusing their login accounts.  Add what many companies have when you sign up for their services: A disclaimer plus additional questions to be asked of the user before setting up the account.  This way, less sketchy activity happens.  Currently, sketchy activity happens because the user accounts aren't required.  Hence, problems can arise.

          So yes, I don't believe Newmark and others at CL are 100% progressive because if they were, they'd care a lot more about those users who use CL.  Whenever you're in the tech business, users are always your number one concern.  Otherwise, liabilities are bound to come up and CL has been inundated with them for years.  Doesn't mean their reputation has taken a hit because of this.  I mean, I've posted my resume on CL in the past but I get bombarded mostly with junk responses from people apparently looking to hire a housekeeper or do this work-at-home job.  You really ought to wonder why these idiots are having access to CL.

          When you respond to inquiries from the federal government or authorities, just cooperate with them and don't be so defensive all the time.  The fact that CL exists in its current state just makes it so scams can happen.  Scammers can use the site as an outlet based on its current setup.  There are some good things about CL, I can't deny that:  Apartments, job listings, etc.  I made that point in my diary.

        •  If craigslist after 8+ years of complaints (0+ / 0-)

          about scams and security STILL can't get its act together, then it should be shut down.  Look at the tremendous negative press they received, yet they have fixed nothing.  In fact, they are flippant about the fact that their site hosts scams.   Craigslist at this point is a scam/spam enabling site with a few ok features which aren't worth considering in light of the security problems there.

  •  Like everything, commonsense required. (2+ / 0-)
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    liz dexic, kbman

    Nothing beats Craigslist for buying and selling large stuff that's impossible to ship.

    I recently sold a pool table and exercise machine. I will soon sell a piano and antique spinning wheel.

    I have bought fantastic stuff from folks all over the country off of Craigslist. My sister found a great apartment in the Honolulu listings. And then there are the garage sales, of course.

    And no fees!

    There's nothing else out there that has quite the same mix of possibilities. I think it's a bit like the Post Office or public libraries. If one doesn't need or use their services, it all seems excessive and a 'waste' of taxpayer money. Yet many people rely on them and find them indispensable.

    Life is a school, love is the lesson.

    by means are the ends on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 08:36:29 PM PST

    •  Yeah, you have to be careful (0+ / 0-)

      It's possible to buy plenty of stuff you don't see anywhere else.  Yard sales happen everywhere and people advertise on Craigslist.

      But seriously, Eventbrite and Meetups make visibility much greater.  And the best part is, the events don't have to be paid!

  •  As a social network, it's certainly crude (1+ / 0-)
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    liz dexic

    I would never use it for anything more complicated than buying/selling secondhand stuff, and though I haven't posted anything lately I would imagine it still works for that--a lot cheaper than taking out a paid ad, and more effective than hanging a sign on a telephone pole.

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:03:35 PM PST

  •  I love Craigslist. It just takes some discernment (0+ / 0-)

    I have tutoring ads up which attract at least 3 or 4 scammers per week who want to send me an advance check to tutor their kids when they "are in my city." AND, I have connected with several legitimate students via
    these ads.

    I also follow the Free stuff and get lucky from time to time. Just today I picked up a working dishwasher for free, cleaned it up, ran a cycle with vinegar to descale to sprayer jets, and found another ad for someone who needed a dishwasher and has a tablet computer for trade. Meanwhile, my landlady has been looking for the right opportunity to upgrade from her aging laptop.

    I've bought and sold my last couple of vehicles on CL, given away various used sinks, counters and appliances, helped reunite dogs with owners, and more. I think it is an exceptional community resource.

    Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

    by kbman on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:03:45 AM PST

  •  craigslist has customers? (0+ / 0-)

    I've never paid to list anything there.

    it's ALWAYS been just a classifieds board. You're not really  going to get quality there.

  •  my previous comment aside (0+ / 0-)

    met my "husband" on craigslist.

    so it really isn't that bad.

  •  I stumbled across this funny site the other day (0+ / 0-)
  •  Welcome to the real world (0+ / 0-)

    CL is a platform, an open, unmoderated, unregulated free simplistic platform.

    WTF are people expecting?  Yes... plenty of assholes and spammers use it.  So what?

    I get assholish scam junk mail in my mailbox at my house, it doesn't mean that the USPS is a corrupt den of fraud and villainy purposefully set up to prey upon the innocent and that the Postmaster general must be a closet regressive Republican tyrant that enjoys the suffering of others.

    WTF is wrong with people lately?  

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:19:40 AM PST

    •  Yeah but even CL is selling out (0+ / 0-)

      Look at the job postings sections on CL, arguably the biggest driver of revenue for the company.  You can't skim through the job postings without seeing that there are additional banner ads and such floating around the site and separating the postings.

      Seriously, most users hate banner ads yet CL implements them.  Maybe Craig Newmark and others are behind the times.

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