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Got a bunch of HR's for saying bullshit and STFU in regards to demanding that the use of Illegal Alien is couched in bigotry.

But you know what?

I'm Staying And You Can't Get Rid Of Me!

Because that's just the way it is.

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(12-String Ovation Balladeer Astoria, Oregon / copyright Justice Putnam)

They turn the water off, so I live without water,
they build walls higher, so I live without treetops,
they paint the windows black, so I live without sunshine,
they lock my cage, so I live without going anywhere,
they take each last tear I have, I live without tears,
they take my heart and rip it open, I live without heart,
they take my life and crush it, so I live without a future,
they say I am beastly and fiendish, so I have no friends,
they stop up each hope, so I have no passage out of hell,
they give me pain, so I live with pain,
they give me hate, so I live with my hate,
they have changed me, and I am not the same man,
they give me no shower, so I live with my smell,
they separate me from my brothers, so I live without brothers,
who understands me when I say this is beautiful?
who understands me when I say I have found other freedoms?

I cannot fly or make something appear in my hand,
I cannot make the heavens open or the earth tremble,
I can live with myself, and I am amazed at myself, my love,
my beauty,
I am taken by my failures, astounded by my fears,
I am stubborn and childish,
in the midst of this wreckage of life they incurred,
I practice being myself,
and I have found parts of myself never dreamed of by me,
they were goaded out from under rocks in my heart
when the walls were built higher,
when the water was turned off and the windows painted black.
I followed these signs
like an old tracker and followed the tracks deep into myself,
followed the blood-spotted path,
deeper into dangerous regions, and found so many parts of myself,
who taught me water is not everything,
and gave me new eyes to see through walls,
and when they spoke, sunlight came out of their mouths,
and I was laughing at me with them,
we laughed like children and made pacts to always be loyal,
who understands me when I say this is beautiful?

-- Jimmy Santiago Baca
"Who Understands Me but Me"

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Voices and Soul appears on Black Kos Tuesday's Chile; poetry chosen and critiqued by Black Kos Poetry Editor Justice Putnam.

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(Cut Stones and Arch St Ceneri, France / copyright Justice Putnam)

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Question: Who is your audience? What are you here for?

Answer: Tribal Alliances, Heart-felt Convictions, Passionate Reason, Random Abandon, Sustainable Civility and a kiss; to comfort the sad and the mad Ones; the Ones roaming the International section of the American Supermarket at night; or roaming the neglected streets looking for an angry malaprop to sink their teeth into; the Ones who seek without seeking and learn as much as they teach; the Ones who embrace and kiss and embrace again; the Ones who sing the song of the city and the ballads of the forest; the Ones who chant the rhythm of the sea and hum the melody of the desert; the Ones who sing the prayer of Her name and Her name is the World. Yes, those are the Ones.    -- JP

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(Man, Girl and Broken Window Klamath Falls, Oregon / copyright Justice Putnam)

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(Can you help folks in need heat their homes and cook their food on the Rosebud and Pine Ridge Reservations. Navajo has an important diary posted with all the particulars. Even a small amount can work towards building the minimum.

Could you please help?)

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So that explains it... !

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Sunlight and Water Pitcher Muir Beach / copyright Justice Putnam

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... Or does it?

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(Holy Bible and 3 in 1 Oil Berkeley, California / copyright Justice Putnam)

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(Rail Road Crossing, Sonoma California / copyright Justice Putnam)

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"Many heroes lived before Agamemnon, but they are all unmourned, and consigned to oblivion, because they had no bard to sing their praises."

 -- Horace

"Still the race of hero spirits pass the lamp from hand to hand."

-- Charles Kingsley

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Rest in Peace Aaron Swartz

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(Morning Fog And Surf, Muir Beach, California / copyright Justice Putnam)

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Originally posted to The Justice Department on Netroots Radio.com on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:54 PM PST.

Also republished by White Privilege Working Group.

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  •  Only Eleven. And only in one comment. (14+ / 0-)

    Chances are, you're safe, as long as you use correct punctuation.  Oops

  •  anyone got a good chili recipe? (2+ / 0-)
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    blukat, Dr Swig Mcjigger

    I haven't made it in a while and looking to experiment

    As to the diarist, look there's nothign bigoted about 'illegal alien' the term goes all the back to the latin alienus meaning stranger or foreigner thus illegal alien is nothing more or less then a description of what they are.

    In regards to your hrs, perhaps just perhaps you could soften your tone a bit?

    •  Like "Colored" is a description of a black person? (11+ / 0-)

      Just food for thought for you.

      Hint: same thing.

      Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

      by mahakali overdrive on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 11:14:57 PM PST

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    •  I take the advice of James Baldwin... (14+ / 0-)

      ... who said, "We didn't come to ask for our freedom, we came here to TAKE it!"

      Softening one's tone just kicks the can down that proverbial road.

      It is time to get up in people's face on this issue. No democrat should ever use the term, illegal alien.

      As Ellie Weisel said, "No human is illegal."

      The term is used by bigots to stigmatize. It is a clearly a bigoted term and has been used as such for too long.

      Time to practice humanity.

      Even if it offends.

      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

      by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 12:24:35 AM PST

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      •  that's lovely (3+ / 0-)

        but no one is saying 'humans are illegal' your outrage is either misconstrued or a strawman

        There's nothing bigoted about 'illegal alien'  it's just a term to refer to legal status. But if you want to whip yourself into a frenzy over much to do about nothing please procede.

        •  Well, actually, the assertion that a person's (9+ / 0-)

          birth has to be legally recognized and certified before that person's right to exist in a particular place is recognized is to put the law (legality) before the person. Ditto for the argument that persons cannot associate themselves as coupled in mutual support unless and until that coupling has been certified with a document.
          It's a question of which comes first, the birth and the marriage or the paper work. If the latter, then there is an implied assertion that permission must be secured before humans can act on their natural inclinations and that means that persons are subject to legal constraints and, ipso facto, not at liberty.
          The Justice Anthony Kennedy tries to get around the notion that actions have to be permitted to be legal by insisting that the issuance of a permit is an obligation, not a matter of "grace." He wants to convince himself that if a permit has to be issued, it is not a restricting factor. However, the assertion that a person needs to ask for a license or permit in order to access the recognition of his/her rights is itself an imposition for which there is no justification if human rights are intrinsic and endemic. We should not have to ask for existence to be recognized with a certificate, if human rights are preeminent.
          If the natural person is most important, then where s/he came from is irrelevant. Existence is self-evident.
          To presume to judge whether a person's existence is valid (legal) is to set man-made law as superior to nature. Moreover, the assertion of a right to judge whether a person is valid set the predicate for asserting that the person is invalid and subject to being ruled out of existence. That is, to judge the validity of birth is to assert a right to exterminate -- i.e. claiming a right to kill on behalf of the state is intimately connected to claiming a right to certify a birth. If a person doesn't legally exist, it is easier to dispose of him. So, in that sense, legality is a hedge against responsibilities and obligations (to take care of human beings) that some people don't want to be burdened with.

          "You don't legally exist, so I don't have to look after you." That's the message being sent by the citizenship ueber alles folk. Certificates are their "get out of obligation free" cards.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:31:00 AM PST

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          •  wow so much text and yet you (2+ / 0-)
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            really only needed the last couple sentences

            First every nation since the dawn of time has asserted that it and it alone can judge who 'belongs' (whether they call it citizenship or not) this is not unique to the USA in this time nor location. Thus the agrument that this is about superscedes 'natural law' is at best specious.

            Second are you sure you really want to argue the government is engaged in a mass killing of illegal aliens? I'll give you a chance to think about that.

            Third this isn't about 'looking after you' the fact is if you are a stranger you could very well be called an alien. Yes it's rarer today where 'alien' has become synomous with 'exterterrestial alien' but then again the laws this aspect of US Legislature draws on are rather old. Further if you come to a nation without it's permission or stay longer then that permission states you have acted illegally. Thus illegal aliens.

            Now frankly I'm all for a path for citizenshiip because the fact is I firmly believe what has made us great as a nation is we have taken the poor, the down trodden, those with no where else to go. We were founded as a nation of rejects and I would honor that tradition. However calling those that come without permission or stay past permission 'illegal aliens' is not bigoted. And your attempts while eloquent to slip past the fact that sovernity decides citizenship and whether an alien has permission or not to enter a nation and how long to say do not negate those facts

            •  Citizenship is a bundle of obligations, not a (4+ / 0-)

              privileged status. One can pretend it is a boon, but it's actually a lot of work. The obligations, in case a reminder is needed:

              to vote
              to hold office
              to serve on juries
              to draft laws
              to provide material support
              to enforce the laws

              The Cons promoting citizenship as some sort of privileged status are merely grasping for some category on the basis of which the population can be separated and segregated. Some people need to segregate their environment into groups because they are incapable of registering individuals (trees, flowers, people, stars, whatever). It's a conceptual deficit. They see groupings, so groups is what they prefer.
              At the same time, their perceptual deficits make them uneasy and, feeling insecure, they look for some group to blame. The insecurity is endemic. It prompts ostentatious behavior to compensate -- people yelling to chase unseen monsters away. Of course, the monsters don't know why people are yelling nor, for the most part, are they aware of being monsters.

              That male mammals are know to kill off the young, who compete for the attentions of the female, unless they are well protected, is not a valid justification for humans conditioning the survival of the next generation on obedience or the extent to which they submit to domination. Since humans are endowed with memory and the ability to anticipate the future, awareness demands that we not kill what we don't need to eat. The standards for frogs, who just catch whatever catches their eye, are different. Frogs end up swallowing their own kind, if they are small enough. If they catch a swallow skimming over the pond, that's the end of both swallow and frog, since frogs are unable to spit out what won't go down. MAD

              We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

              by hannah on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:04:33 AM PST

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              •  citizenship is both obligation and boon (1+ / 0-)
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                those fulfilling those obligations allows you to enjoy the boons

                And I have no clue what you are rambling on about as nature has examples of both dead beat murderous fathers and devoted fathers.

                •  Let me remind you... (5+ / 0-)

                  ... even non- citizens are afforded equal protection and due process under law.

                  I guess if a person is less than human, with no name, then the moniker of "illegal" wouldn't matter.

                  I see it matters not to you.

                  A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

                  by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:57:49 AM PST

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                  •  um no (1+ / 0-)
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                    constitutional rights apply to US citizens

                    further not being a US citizen does not make you less then human

                    you seem to think US citizenship the epitome of everything

                    •  You are incorrect... (4+ / 0-)
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                      ... read your constitution.

                      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

                      by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:38:59 AM PST

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                      •  please point out where it says (0+ / 0-)

                        that everyone everywhere in the world has the same rights and privilidges in the US as a citizen

                      •  No, You Are Incorrect (0+ / 0-)

                        There are many actions in immigration law wherein there is no due process.

                        And, again, you are simply being willfully ignorant, or as I like to call it, stupid, because the information is out there if you would simply stop trying to sound intelligent when it is clear at least on this subject that you are abjectly ignorant.

                        Immigration Policy on Expedited Removal of Aliens

                        The courts have ruled that removal proceedings are civil not criminal, and that deportation is not punishment. Thus, there is no right to counsel, no right to a jury trial, and the due process protections are less than in a criminal trial. Furthermore, a decision on removablity does not have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In addition, because deportation is not punishment, Congress may impose new immigration consequences for actions that previously occurred (i.e., actions which would not have made the alien deportable when they occurred, may make the alien deportable at a later date if Congress changes the law). IIRAIRA limited the time and number of motions to reopen95 and reconsider96 removal cases for the alien.

                        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                        by superscalar on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:02:49 PM PST

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                  •  I See You Just Keep On Spouting Opinions (2+ / 0-)
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                    About shit that you don't know anything about.

                    If you want to be vocal, that's great. If you want to be ignorant, in the end I guess that's great too. If you want to be both vocal and ignorant, fine, but please go somewhere else and do it.

                    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                    by superscalar on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:10:19 AM PST

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                    •  Hater... (0+ / 0-)

                      ... aren't you.

                      So go spew your shat and cover yourself with it.

                      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

                      by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:38:22 AM PST

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                    •  In fact, I dare you... (0+ / 0-)

                      ... to call into The After Show at 9am Pacific and have it out with me on Netroots Radio.

                      I dare you, hater!

                      Go somewhere else?

                      I am fairly ensconced here; and far from ignorant, I am quite informed.

                      Are you up to publicly humiliating me?

                      Bring it on.

                      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

                      by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:43:03 AM PST

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          •  One More Time (0+ / 0-)

            Tell me then, just what is the following supposed to mean to me?

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America
            I will assume that you understand the definition of 'Union' and simply, again, ask why would I ever want to look out for more than just me and mine, much less support the modern welfare state that the U.S. has become, in a scenario where in the logical extreme of your argument even private property rights are in question?

            I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

            by superscalar on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:52:34 AM PST

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            •  Anybody on US soil... (2+ / 0-)
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              ... is afforded equal protection and due process.

              It is basic.

              A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

              by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:58:11 AM PST

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              •  True. But it is not well or widely understood. (2+ / 0-)
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                The principle had to be just recently affirmed by the Supreme Court in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, as well as some cases dealing with public education for the children of recent immigrants -- non-citizens because minors can't be citizens on their own hook.

                The Cons have convinced themselves that in citizenship they have found a criterion on the basis of which they can re-segregated the population. Some people require a group to play antagonists, so they can define themselves. Some people rely on the logic of "I am a boy because I am not a girl" to determine what they are.

                We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

                by hannah on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:06:47 AM PST

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                •  No, It's Not True (0+ / 0-)

                  As I have already written, much of immigration law is extra-constitutional which allows for policies like expedited removal.

                  And Hamdan v. Rumsfeld was not about due process, it was about the legality of a military commission

                  I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                  by superscalar on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:45:31 PM PST

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                  •  Look... (0+ / 0-)

                    ... I'll make it very simple for you.

                    When someone from overseas visits the US, they are not second class humans. The same rules and laws apply. If they are robbed, they get their day in court.

                    If they rob, they same applies, even Miranda.

                    And don't even get me started on the kangaroo courts of the military commissions.

                    Completely unconstitutional.

                    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

                    by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:13:27 PM PST

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                  •  Much of immigration law is un-Constitutional. (0+ / 0-)

                    You got that right. But then, the Congress passes un-Constitutional laws all the time. Vide DADT and DOMA, not to mention involuntary servitude, aka the military draft.
                    The rule of law is not necessarily a guarantor of human rights. The law can and has been used to subordinate and exact obedience, to order behavior, rather than merely punish bad behavior.
                    Basically, it's a matter of whether the law goes into effect before or after an individual acts. The Cons would like it be before because they want to give orders and don't want them to apply to themselves. Laws that go into effect after an act strike them as unfair because it makes them liable for actions of which they are probably not even aware. Cons are people who act without thinking. So, being held to account for their actions strikes them as unfair.
                    Nevertheless, our system of social organization is premised on the assumption of probity -- that human actions are good, unless and until they are proven to be bad. In other words, the law comes into effect AFTER an act.
                    Now, it does appear that some people have a poor or even missing sense of time and sequence and order. And as a result, they can't keep what happens when and in what order straight. Quite naturally, people who suffer from this deficit prefer to be told what to do and either act in response, or not. Then their actions are either consistent with what's been demanded, or they don't act. The only choice is yes or no. There are no other alternatives and that's what suits their binary mind.

                    Do I expect a Con to get that? No. I spent sixty years trying to explain things to a person who had no sense of time or sequence, without being understood. What I learned, however, is that the process of explaining helps me understand.

                    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

                    by hannah on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:54:41 AM PST

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                    •  That's Not What I Wrote (0+ / 0-)

                      What I wrote was that much of immigration law is extra-constitutional, look up the definition.

                      Let me remind you of the exchange:

                      Anybody on US soil... (2+ / 0-)
                      ... is afforded equal protection and due process
                      To which you responded (wrongly):
                      True. But it is not well or widely understood
                      To which I replied:
                      No, It's Not True
                      To which you again replied (wrongly):
                      Much of immigration law is un-Constitutional
                      I don't know if it's a case of you thinking that if you write fifteen paragraphs it makes you right, or what, but it doesn't make any difference how many paragraphs you write here -- you're still wrong.

                      I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                      by superscalar on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:05:21 AM PST

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            •  Property rights are a sop to compensate (1+ / 0-)
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              for the deprivation of human rights. Persons within the jurisdiction of the Constitution get to own things, including other people (formerly slaves, now only children), but their natural functions (eating, drinking, fornicating, perambulating, associating) are suspect. Speech and religious practices are not to be interfered with, if it is convenient. If not, a judge can lift the restrictions in secret.

              We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

              by hannah on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:59:34 AM PST

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          •  There would seem to be a great contradiction ... (1+ / 0-)
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            Dr Swig Mcjigger

            in terms vis-a-vis this issue.  If it was wrong for Europeans and others to come to America hundreds of years ago, contrary to the wishes and best interests of Native Americans, then it's equally wrong for today's newcomers to expect to be allowed to stay.  Conversely, if it is okay now, it was okay to have done so then.  Which is it?

            "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

            by Neuroptimalian on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 06:30:48 PM PST

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            •  Brutal conquest and genocide... (0+ / 0-)

              ... is just TAD different than overstaying a visa.

              A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

              by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:14:40 PM PST

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            •  They can never explain those contradictions (1+ / 0-)
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              One the one hand, they say that people who were born here, whose parents were born here, whose grandparents were born here and so on and who pay taxes, vote, serve in the military, serve jury duty and have clean criminal records have no right to be here. Then they argue that people who knowingly and willingly came here in violation of US law, don't pay taxes etc. have the right to be here and "illegal" cannot be used to describe their status.

  •  They Receive Instructions Against Chile (8+ / 0-)

    but we have to see behind all of them, there is something
    behind the traitors and the gnawing rats,
    an empire which sets the table,
    and serves up the nourishment and the bullets.
    they want to repeat in you their great success in greece.
    greek playboys at the banquet, and bullets
    for the people in the mountains: we'll have to destroy the
    flight
    of the new victory of samothrace, we'll have to hang,
    kill, lose men, sink the murderous knife
    held to us by new york, we'll have to use fire
    to break the spirit of the man who was emerging
    in all the countries as if born
    from the earth that had been splashed with blood.
    we have to arm chiang and the vicious Videla,
    give them money for prisons, wings
    so they bomb their own populations, give them
    a handout, a few dollars, and they do the rest,
    they lie, bribe, dance on the dead bodies
    and their first ladies wear the most expensive minks.
    the suffering of the people does not matter: copper
    executives need this sacrifice: facts are facts:
    the generals retire from the army and serve
    as vice presidents of the chuquicamata copper firm,
    and in the nitrate works the chilean general
    decides with his trailing sword how much the natives
    may mention when they ask for a raise in wages.
    in this way they decide from above, from the roll of
    dollars,
    in this way the dwarf traitor receives his instructions,
    and the generals act as the police force,
    and the trunk of the tree of the country rots.

    - Pablo Neruda

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    by mahakali overdrive on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 11:21:34 PM PST

  •  justicep: I got your back. (4+ / 0-)

    Keep on keepin' on, brother.

  •  Ditto: (4+ / 0-)
    I'm Staying And You Can't Get Rid Of Me!

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:43:46 AM PST

  •  I thought pearl-clutching was disdained (1+ / 0-)
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    Dr Swig Mcjigger

    per the comments by you, Free Jazz, etc in that diary?

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:17:00 AM PST

  •  I wouldn't worry about the (3+ / 0-)
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    hrs, JP.
    The good book tells us that "he that is faithful in little is faithful in much." Even as they accuse big business and government of abuse of power, they themselves so readily and cliquishly abuse the little power they have been given by Kos. Daily.
    We have seen them at work before, JP. We know how they roll. It takes more than a few hrs to take out a warrior.
    Have wonderful day!

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:49:43 AM PST

  •  Arrived late at your earlier diary, and (4+ / 0-)

    left you this comment which contains a related video, and more, about use of the term "illegals."

    Hope people might take a quick peek, if interested.

  •  If I didn't get at least a couple of HRs (4+ / 0-)

    per year, I would feel like a kiss-ass.

    Some people enjoy their role as DK Courtesy Cop a little too much. I'd rather see a quick exchange of anger any day than disparaging terms directed at those I love.

    One of my closest friends is more offended by the term "alien" than any other.

    And furthermore, in the Spirit of Solidarity, we should never be "alien"ated from our Fellow Workers.

    Undocumented workers are our brothers and sisters in the Struggle for Justice for the Working Class.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

    by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:48:28 AM PST

    •  Well said comrade. nt (0+ / 0-)

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:10:41 AM PST

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      •  Thank You (2+ / 0-)
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        As a Socialist, I gladly accept the title: "Comrade."

        As a former member of 2 Unions I am glad to be called: "Sister."

        As a Wobbly, I am "Fellow Worker."

        But one does not need to be a Socialist to understand International Solidarity. Most unions have "International" as part of their name.

        And of course the Wobs have "Workers of the World" in their title.

        But, thank you, you made my point. You are one of the primary Courtesy Cops on this sight. More interested in jumping on someone for a brief expression of anger than in promoting Working Class Solidarity.

        To you, Solidarity is nothing but a joke.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

        by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:42:46 AM PST

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        •  On the contrary, i just choose my countrymen (0+ / 0-)

          over 'workers' around the world, whatever that vague term means.

          I see what you did there.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:47:09 AM PST

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          •  Seriously? You stand with the Walmart owners (1+ / 0-)
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            because they are your "countrymen,"

            Before you stand with textile workers in Bangladesh and in the Mexican Maquiladoras?

            Why am I not surprised?

            https://www.google.com/...

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

            by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03:02 AM PST

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            •  yep! i hope youll opt out of healthcare (0+ / 0-)

              when we achieve universal coverage that the Walton's will pay into, and use your Bangladeshi benefits instead!

              I see what you did there.

              by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:46:37 AM PST

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              •  Congradulations, you have finally achieved (0+ / 0-)

                Archie Bunker Logic!

                WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

                by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:34:03 PM PST

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                •  lololololololol (0+ / 0-)
                  Archie Bunker Logic!
                  Congradulations
                  It's really awkward when you question someone's intelligence and then misspell a common word like 'congratulations'.

                  I see what you did there.

                  by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:36:12 PM PST

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                  •  Didn't question your intelligence, only your logic (1+ / 0-)
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                    And yes, I am the world's worst proof reader, will admit that a thousand times.

                    But please do explain, why my having Solidarity with Bangladeshi textile workers means I should not take part in the US health care system.

                    I am having great difficulty following that logic.

                    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

                    by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:45:43 PM PST

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                    •  Because it's the US healthcare system. (0+ / 0-)

                      If your loyalties and allegiances lie elsewhere, wouldn't it feel wrong to take advantage of something that a group that stuck together without you got figured out?

                      I see what you did there.

                      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:55:02 PM PST

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                      •  Thanks for the tip. (1+ / 0-)
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                        I'll pass it on to all my fellow trade unionist who have "International" in their names:

                        International Union of Operating Engineers

                        Service Employees International Union,

                        that according to Joe McCarthy, err..GGGE, they are not loyal enuf Americans to benefit from the US healthcare system, since they are in various federations which are themselves part of international union federations which stand in Solidarity with workers around the world.

                        This conversation has been very enlightening as to who and what you are.

                        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

                        by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:13:21 PM PST

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    •  Workers of the World Awaken (2+ / 0-)
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      Workers of the world, awaken!
      Rise in all your splendid might;
      Take the wealth that you are making,
      It belongs to you by right.
      No one will for bread be crying,
      We'll have freedom, love and health.
      When the grand red flag is flying
      In the Workers' Commonwealth.

      Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
      Fight for your own emancipation;
      Arise, ye slaves of every nation.
      In One Union grand.
                   -Joe Hill

      Lyrics and history of the song.
      Sung at Joe Hill's funeral, Chicago, Nov 1915.
      http://www.folkarchive.de/...
      http://publications.newberry.org/...

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: Right-to-Work/Right-to-Live(?)

      by JayRaye on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:10:19 AM PST

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  •  I like your photos (5+ / 0-)

    The sunlight and water pitcher reminds me of one of my photos. From my living room. By the way, my mother made both of those pots.


    “If you misspell some words, it’s not plagiarism.” – Some Writer

    by Dbug on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:48:56 AM PST

  •  I have many secret Dkos Valentines... (4+ / 0-)

    you, Justice are among  the top ten  :)

    Seriously, I appreciate everything you do here. It comes from the heart.

  •  Asserting, not Demanding n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  AFAIK I'm still at one HR, ever (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't check often, but the one I know of I got for a good cause. I suppose the complaint about 'STFU' is perhaps about suppressing dissent. But as far as serving the purpose of liberal causes, the folks who piled on you violated the spirit of the law as they held to the letter. The dissent they supported should have no place here.

    “Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you’ll print tomorrow morning: 'More guns,' you’ll claim, 'are the NRA’s answer to everything!'" -- Wayne LaPierre

    by tytalus on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:44:27 AM PST

    •  Of course... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... STFU is not about stifling dissent or disagreement, but a web flourish tantamount to lol.

      It is simply an exclamation point.

      But I'm an asshole, so what do I know! lol

      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

      by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:18:47 PM PST

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