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Still not listening
Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith takes to the pages of Politico to say that Republicans should do nothing much on immigration:
Before deciding what to do about immigration, Republicans should first decide what not to do. They should not buy in to the Obama/liberal Democrats’ plan to legalize every person who is in the country illegally.

Republicans do need to make progress with Hispanic voters. But immigration is exactly the wrong subject to use to attract Hispanic support.

Well, it'd be nice if we did something just because of the inherent unfairness and, in many cases, cruelties of the current situation, but I guess doing it for the votes would be fine too.

Smith runs down the usual talking points (I swear, there's just one damn guy somewhere that writes all these op-eds, and every Republican member of the House just puts their name at the top and calls it done); America already admits tons of immigrants; Hispanics don't care about immigration, they care about the economy and better pay (which the Republicans are also catastrophically weak on, but never mind that); "amnesty" bad. But he also argues that it just doesn't matter anyway, so why bother:

[S]ome say a legalization program would enable Republicans to “put the immigration issue behind us.” But Republicans are never going to see it in the rear-view mirror. Does anyone really think Republicans are going to outbid Democrats on giving benefits to illegal immigrants?
Yowza.

And then we get to the exact same Republican proposals that have been proposed by every other terribly new-thinking, our-party-is-totally-changed-now Republican. More guest workers, because we really do want them to work here, we just don't want to have to treat them decently when they do. A "new visa" for the children of undocumented immigrants, one that's watered down so that it's not "conducive" to something Republicans are apparently calling "chain migration," which apparently is the offensive practice of immigrants wanting to immigrate to be with other members of their families, or something.

Anyway, I'm not really sure who the target audience is supposed to be here. Is he arguing this with fellow Republicans? Is he trying to convince people outside the party faithful of the wisdom of a do-nothing approach? Is this a chain letter that every Republican has to sign their name to at least once, or some creepy girl will crawl out of a well and try to give them better health insurance? No clue. Again, though, anyone looking for a move to the center from the current Republican crop is apparently going to be waiting a very, very long time.

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  •  Such a soulles, slavery-like way to view people (14+ / 0-)

    And yet, it's what they seem to want to promote.   They are trying to make an argument here that people are "bought and paid for" which they espouse repeatedly and because of that they are forever loyal to an idea.

    This is a despicable way to look at humanity.   It tells us that a group of people can be valued as though they are indentured slaves, compelled to turn their thoughts to a purpose by being bought.

    Republicans are arguing they can't win with immigrants because the immigrants only value themselves in terms of benefits given and money sought.

    What a soulless way to look at another human being

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:21:24 PM PST

    •  Republicans seem to be fine (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tmservo433

      with a permanent underclass.

      Okay, they can be here, but they can't have basic rights, like the right to vote, the right to minimum wage-I could go on.

      Not in my country. My country is based on equality.

      Jeez, ship these jerks back to 18th century Europe where a rich white man could be free.

      •  no problem with minimum wage or even more (1+ / 0-)
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        howabout

        the objective is to keep the minimum low and to keep American workers at low wages with no benefits. They don't worry about what they pay contract workers, only a very few industries reap the benefits of contract workers. Agriculture especially or anything that could be called agriculture. The real benefits to an imported work force is that it brings down all wages. More workers for less jobs. Dems, Republicans, it's not a partisan issue it's a wealth issue.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 07:16:35 PM PST

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  •  economy (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, aitchdee, Vatexia

    If we want a better economy we need more people to pay taxes and to buy things.  Believe it or not the answer to our problems are these immigrants.

    •  Nope the Economy is Not Like a Pulley Hoist, It's (0+ / 0-)

      like plumbing.

      When it slows down, the last thing you want to do is empower more people to pull on the rope. Nosirree, Bob.

      You need to empower more flow into the top of the system. Empower the producers to make more and more goods and services, like more water pressure, until the blockage is rammed out of the way.

      Expanding the pool of underpaid nonvoting labor empowers employers to build up the pressure of demandless goods and services until it finally blows the recession out of the way.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:36:54 PM PST

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  •  Talk about projection... (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, aitchdee

    Republicans only think in terms of winning elections so they assume everybody else does the same.

    Nobody asks them to outbid anyone. People just ask them to the right thing, you know, to help people and make the country a better place, do the basic job policymakers are supposed to do.

    But that's a concept they just cannot comprehend anymore. For them, it's just about winning power and using it for their own fun and profit. Doing the actual job that comes attached with winning doesn't even register with them.

    For them, it's about ruling, not governing.

    I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

    by Farugia on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:31:43 PM PST

    •  Serving the People is Unconscionable to Them. (0+ / 0-)

      Our system is only allowed to set the rules of the game and punish violators. It is immoral and illegal for government to promote the general welfare and help people achieve better outcomes than they would get by their luck and their lone efforts, or with help from family and church.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:39:01 PM PST

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  •  Yep. (0+ / 0-)

    Father Time remains undefeated.

    by jwinIL14 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:35:03 PM PST

  •  Scapegoats and cheap labor (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, ratcityreprobate

    In the eyes of GOP power brokers and most GOP voters, these are the purposes that Latinos in this country serve. Nothing more. In their eyes, people like Marco Rubio, Quico Canseco, or Raul Labrador are welcome only to the extent they support policies which keep brown people marginalized to these very specific roles. It sickens me to see people who share my blood and skin color providing cover to those who would see me made part of a permanent underclass. Sickening.

  •  So the GOP will keep on dumping the immigration (0+ / 0-)

    issue by denigrating people who want to be citizens.  How dumb is this, do they think they will not pay for this short-sightedness and the human misery they cause?

  •  I actually agree with him tactically. (0+ / 0-)

    This issue is a no win for the GOP, they're not going to win the hispanic vote by being Democrat lite. Might as well solidify the base and hope the middle gets distracted by somthing else.

    "Buying Horizon Milk to support organic farming is like purchasing an English muffin in an effort to prop up the British economy." -Windowdog

    by Windowdog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:54:28 PM PST

  •  Here's an idea for the republicans... (0+ / 0-)

    Offer amnesty for all illegals. Then...when they think they have enough of them on file and know exactly where they are...round them up and throw them in prison! That's a win win! The industrial prison complex will be overwhelmed and then...we can build more prisons. Job creation anyone?

    Construction and security jobs will be booming!

    You know these fuckers have had wet dreams fantasizing about how they would be rewarded for some kind of scam like this.

    Men with religious beliefs have killed more people than any god that they have created...

    by Mislead on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:59:01 PM PST

  •  straw men (0+ / 0-)

    And note the straw man claiming we want to legalize EVERY person in the country illegally. Even if every such person WANTED U.S. citizenship I am not aware of any plans for such a drastic move.

    Besides as the Mexican economy continues to pick up steam the preferred republican plan of self-deportation will continue to grow. I have serious doubts there are as many undocumented ppl here as everyone thinks...

  •  Republicans don't have an "image" problem... (1+ / 0-)
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    PlinytheWelder

    They have a substance problem, and I'm not talking substance abuse, though they do seem to have a strange addiction to avoiding facts. They're all about perception. If we could only get the "message" right. Yeah! How about getting the policy right? How about pulling your head out of your ass and joining the human race? Nah...there's not enough money in that so we'll just continue to be dicks...

    They really do seem to lack a moral compass. You know, the one they seem to think they have mastered and espouse because, you know, Jesus and what not...

    Stop being posers and actually join the human race...

    Men with religious beliefs have killed more people than any god that they have created...

    by Mislead on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 07:28:26 PM PST

  •  My Congressman (0+ / 0-)

    Due to gerrymandering of about 20 precincts in Travis county (Austin)  Lamar Smith of San Antonio is my Congrescriter.

    I am now represented by this jerk,  the new Joe McCarthy Senator Ted Cruz and that chicken hawk Senator John Cornyn who now believes he needs to act like Cruz or he will loose in the crazy Republican primary.

    So I can appreciate that they will ruin and hurt our country in order to save their own skin. They are disgusting hypocrites.

  •  This makes it all worth it (0+ / 0-)
    Is this a chain letter that every Republican has to sign their name to at least once, or some creepy girl will crawl out of a well and try to give them better health insurance?
    Christ, Hunter, if the only thing on dKos was one of your snarky wisecracks about the GOP, it'd totally be worth the daily visit.

    And the bright side of the downward thermodynamic spiral is, um...

    by eodell on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 08:30:31 PM PST

  •  The Irony of this sort of stupidity (0+ / 0-)

    is that the very carefully selected Conservatives of Color that the GOP preens over and elevates into top status to shield it from accusations of racism will have their carefully pruned and packaged non-Republican base political viability ruthlessly neutered even faster even if they say nothing at all or try and mildy criticize this crap.

    All you have to do is be okay with standing with racist assholes, and you make your job bullshitting minority groups into bamboozlement ten times harder.

    There is nothing that Marco Rubio can say, or Brian Sandoval can do, to help the GOP with people of color that cannot be rapidly undone by one idiot wingnut Teahadi with an opened mouth an a close proximity to a microphone.

    You can put Michael Steele in charge of the RNC as a response to the rise of Barack Obama, purely as a "Look! We can't be a racist angry white guy rump party, we got a black guy!! We got one too!!". But he becomes a joke the second the next round of voter disenfranchisement comes in front of the whole world and he has to put his name behind defending this crap, and then you drive him out as if he is to blame for your inability to sell shit to the African-American community by calling it ice cream and having a person of color handing it out and hyping it.

    People of Color get pandering and being scammed and voting against their best interests not being in their best interests. It obviously drives the GOP nuts.

    They are much more saavy than a lot of poor white American voters that way.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 09:06:25 PM PST

    •  I almost feel sorry for Marco Rubio, almost. (0+ / 0-)

      When the GOP fails to make inroads with Latino voters, to the point where he either loses the Presidency to Hilary Clinton himself or provides no real boost to a Jeb Bush as a VP candidate, he will be blamed, scapegoated, and then torn down. The same deal for Brian Sandoval.

      Being a Conservative of Color is most lucrative and most sustainable as a wingnut welfare recipient. Being a hack at the National Review Online means never ever having to give a speech to a room that is filled with folks who all look like you. Rubio and Sandoval are going to have to eat shit for breakfast, lunch, and dinner going forward.

      And then get the ax when the GOP loses ground.

      Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed and all that rot.

      I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 09:12:00 PM PST

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  •  Eliminate all laws (0+ / 0-)

    Relating to immigration. Who are you or I to not allow someone the opportunity to live here. Then, insure the wealthy pay a larger portion of the money needed to support those that need it simple.  No one should be forced to work for minimum wage. This country has to much wealth to not simply support those unable to earn a living wage.

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