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Greenwich Democratic Town Committee member Jonathan Perloe:
The N.R.A. and gun-rights advocates are quick to use the Constitution to defend unfettered access to even the most lethal firearms. But before the Constitution there was the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that we are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including those of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It continues, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted..."

It is time now for government to protect our right to life from the threat of gun violence. It is time for politicians to put this right on the same pedestal they afford the right to bear arms. It is time for them to heed Supreme Court Justice Scalia, who said, "like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited." [...]

Common sense regulation is urgently needed to protect the lives of Americans in their places of work, houses of worship, shopping centers, movie theaters, parks and schools. [...] But little is going to change unless concerned citizens speak out and demand action from politicians.

For more on the latest stories of the day, head below the fold.  

You probably heard about the Missouri bill introduced that would make introducing any gun control measure a felony. Tony Messenger urges folks to take the bill seriously as an indication of how crazy Missouri's gun lovers are and how they're controlling the process:

The National Rifle Association should send a letter to every Missouri lawmaker putting them on notice that every vote on House Bill 170 and House Bill 633 will be rated. That means that any vote against them would be a vote against the NRA and thus invite a primary challenge. So even though the bills are stupid and unconstitutional, Republicans would have to vote for them.

House Bill 633 isn’t a joke. It’s Ted Nugent being invited to the State of the Union speech. It’s Steven Seagal training armed vigilantes as school guards in Arizona. It’s the new Republican reality.

The Washington Post has a must-read profile of a gun control advocate in North Dakota.  She's not getting any support from the local Democratic party:
The state Democratic Party has not taken a position on the bills, and a spokeswoman said they are not likely to champion the issue of gun control.

“From a party perspective, there is so much happening right now as far as funding milk for elementary-age kids, tax breaks for oil companies,” said Rania Batrice, a spokeswoman for the state Democratic Party. “To be completely honest, we’re very focused on that.”

Paul Krugman at The New York Times looks at the "sequester of fools":
There’s a silly debate under way about who bears responsibility for the sequester, which almost everyone now agrees was a really bad idea. The truth is that Republicans and Democrats alike signed on to this idea. But that’s water under the bridge. The question we should be asking is who has a better plan for dealing with the aftermath of that shared mistake.

The right policy would be to forget about the whole thing. America doesn’t face a deficit crisis, nor will it face such a crisis anytime soon. Meanwhile, we have a weak economy that is recovering far too slowly from the recession that began in 2007. And, as Janet Yellen, the vice chairwoman of the Federal Reserve, recently emphasized, one main reason for the sluggish recovery is that government spending has been far weaker in this business cycle than in the past. We should be spending more, not less, until we’re close to full employment; the sequester is exactly what the doctor didn’t order.

Eugene Robinson at The Washington Post echoes Paul Krugman on the absurdity of it all:
The standoff over the package of budget cuts known as “the sequester” is the dumbest, most self-defeating fight between President Obama and Republicans in Congress since . . . let’s see, since the last dumb, self-defeating fight less than two months ago.

Obama is winning this showdown but only in a relative sense. The truth is that everybody loses — Republicans a little more, Democrats a little less. And the American people, who have a right to expect adult behavior from their elected officials, will inevitably be the biggest losers of all.

The New York Times editorial board says raising revenue by increasing taxes on the wealthy is absolutely necessary:
To reduce the deficit in a weak economy, new taxes on high-income Americans are a matter of necessity and fairness; they are also a necessary precondition to what in time will have to be tax increases on the middle class. Contrary to Mr. Boehner’s “spending problem” claim, much of the deficit in the next 10 years can be chalked up to chronic revenue shortfalls from the Bush-era tax cuts, which were only partly undone in the fiscal-cliff deal earlier this year. (Wars and a recession also contributed.) It stands to reason that a deficit caused partly by inadequate revenue must be corrected in part by new taxes. And the only way to raise taxes now without harming the recovery is to impose them on high-income filers, for whom a tax increase is unlikely to cut into spending. [...]

Raising taxes at the top is neither punitive nor gratuitous. It is a needed step, both to achieve near-term budget goals and to lay the foundation for a healthy budget in the future. As the economy strengthens and the population ages, more taxes will be needed from further down the income scale, both to meet foreseeable commitments, especially health care, as well as unforeseeable developments, from wars to technological challenges. But there will never be a consensus for more taxes from the middle class without imposing higher taxes on wealthy Americans, who have enjoyed low taxes for a long time.

In case you missed it, there was a huge victory yesterday as the AP backed down on its discriminatory approach to describing legally married gay and lesbian couples. Nathaniel Frank at The Los Angeles Times analyzes the significance:
The brouhaha is a lesson in why language matters in debates over gay rights — equal terms are precisely what we've been fighting for. [...] At a minimum, AP's decision not to automatically use "husband" or "wife" for gay spouses in states where same-sex marriage is legal created the perception that it was taking sides — and the losing side — in a culture war issue.

The point is, those who get married have already decided about terminology: They have chosen to become a husband or wife, and that's what they deserve to be called. Failing to recognize this means failing to recognize what the gay-marriage battle has been about: achieving equal dignity by accessing the same institutions, using the same terms as everyone else, sharing fully in American citizenship.

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  •  Move beyond the gun nuts (19+ / 0-)

    We have to move beyond any of the irrational arguments coming from the gun nut crowd. Limits to our "freedoms" exist everywhere, and are generally accepted by most reasonable Americans as the price to pay for a stable and relatively peaceful country. But the NRA and the gun nuts apparently see the United States as the worst nation in the world, because they have no qualms about trashing our government and trampling over the true meaning of our founding documents. Instead of embracing widely supported common sense reforms, these terrorists fight o turn back even the minimal amount of gun regulations we now have, demanding the right to own anything our military does. What are they planning?  -  progressive

  •  The gun nuts keep making our case (8+ / 0-)

    for us.  I hope they keep on talking, but I wish they would actually read the Constitution.

    If the Republicans ever find out that Barack Obama favors respiration, we'll be a one-party system inside two minutes. - Alan Lewis

    by MadRuth on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 04:52:22 AM PST

    •  Like baggers (7+ / 0-)

      and Christian fundamentalists - they feel free to selectively read and misinterpret at will.

      •  My dad, may his soul rest in peace, used to say (8+ / 0-)

        the radical religious types tear out the pages of the Bible they do not like.  When I encounter a religious wingnut, I picture them with a Bible ripping out pages and soon their Bible is the size of a pamphlet.  

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        by wishingwell on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:50:36 AM PST

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        •  And most of the pages left in the bible (9+ / 0-)

          would be from the Old Testament.  The only thing from the New Testament these "Christians" quote is Revelation, which has nothing to do with the Christ part of the word Christian.  I have never heard these people quote the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes when justifying the way they think and act.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:04:33 AM PST

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          •  I once read a study on Revelation (2+ / 0-)
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            which said it is a political tract employing metaphor to escape persecution and prosecution by the Roman government at the time it was written. It was never meant to be taken literally and probably was added to the Bible as a vehicle to circulate it.
            That's why it makes no freaking sense and is so easily (mis)interpreted in a myriad of ways.

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:29:54 AM PST

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            •  that's one of the views from the Catholics (4+ / 0-)
              which said it is a political tract employing metaphor to escape persecution and prosecution by the Roman government at the time it was written.
              Personally, I think St John got into a patch of psylocibin mushrooms by accident (they are native to the island where John was exiled)

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              by jds1978 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:48:30 AM PST

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              •  Ah, but which "John". (0+ / 0-)

                There were several involved in the scriptures and the pieces that were assembled into the Bible.

                The John that was Jesus' desciple is not the same John that wrote Revelation.

                I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

                by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 07:13:20 AM PST

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              •  It was the Catholics who included (0+ / 0-)

                The Revelation of St. John into the official canon.  If it weren't for their including it, we wouldn't have to be living with the crazies' interpretation of it.

                "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

                by SueDe on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:54:38 AM PST

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        •  I think Tom Jefferson did something similar (0+ / 0-)

          According to Wiki, Jefferson literally used a razor to exercise the miracles and supernatural stuff, leaving the moral and didactic sayings of Jesus.

          Would that the modern bowderlizers took such care to respect the message of the Christians' holy book, rather than twisting it to their own ends.

  •  "Excuse me for wanting to live in civilization." (12+ / 0-)

    That's the best I could come up with so far in answer to the gun nuts. Are "our guys" boycotting businesses in "open-carry" states, who let customers come in armed? I would.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 04:53:52 AM PST

    •  Amazing how no one talks about the emotional (9+ / 0-)

      impact carrying your assault rifle slung over your shoulder through the produce section of Bohacks (I know, I know Bohacks has been gone a long, long time but I just like the name). While it might be your right as a delusional, paranoid Mercin to be armed to the teeth while selecting artichokes (another obscure reference) you might want to consider the crowds running to the parking lot and peeling out as they head off to Supermercado El Rancho....

    •  I told an anti-gun-laws friend (6+ / 0-)

      that the issues boil down to Pro-gun people's right to pack heat versus those of us whom that makes nervous.

      In other words, in order for them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights to the degree they wish, the other half of the population has to give up their security and feel threatened by all the strangers packing heat around them.

      I told him there must be a compromise that will give both parties much of what they want, but the NRA does not mention compromise anywhere at any time.

      So far, no answer.

      When this same friend said that, if those attending the movie in that Colorado theater had been carrying, a lot fewer casualties would have happened,
      My reply was, "Imagine the crossfire."

      No answer to that one either.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:37:02 AM PST

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      •  I like to remind the gun owners (2+ / 0-)
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        out here about the "well regulated" part.
        I'm not falling for the bullshit line that in that one amendment, out of the entire Constitution, "regulated" means something different than it does elsewhere.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:53:18 AM PST

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  •  Missouri is making a law that you can't make a law (11+ / 0-)

    which at first I thought was a tautology but after some research realized is just some really dumb shit. I guess we really did steal one with McCaskill didn't we!

  •  David Brooks: 'The president hasn't actually come (14+ / 0-)

    up with a proposal to avert sequestration'.....

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Gimme a break Dave.....where the hell is congress?.....On vacation. Methinks the GOP pundits feel the weight of this inaction falling squarely upon their heads.

  •  Joe, "the plumber" (8+ / 0-)

    wants to extend his "15 minutes" after losing an election bid.  
    He's  is raffling off an AR-15 rifle to protest discussion of a ban on assault weapons.
     "The AR-15 is not an assault weapon or a weapon of mass destruction"


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:06:11 AM PST

  •  Talk about over the top ludicrous (9+ / 0-)

    Va Beach pizza shop gives discount to gun owners

    A Virginia Beach pizza shop owner is showing his support for firearm rights by giving gun owners a 15 percent discount.

    The discount is given to anyone who carries a gun or brings a concealed handgun permit to All Around Pizzas and Deli.

    Yup, just what this country needs.  ::shaking head in disbelief::

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:06:40 AM PST

  •  The "payroll tax" (7+ / 0-)

    whacks spending headline is interesting   If putting more money in the hands of working people (I hate the misleading phrase "Middle class", I guess) immediately helps the economy, imagine what raising the s bwage to a living wage would do for it?  Contrast that with putting more money in the hands of the wealthy.  They neither create jobs with it nor invest it in ways that help the rest of us.

    Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

    by KibbutzAmiad on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:08:21 AM PST

  •  Sharpton to Scarborough..'The President's base are (16+ / 0-)

    the American people.' STFU Joe.

  •  Joe Biden (5+ / 0-)

    "Buy a shotgun"

    WASHINGTON — Vice President Biden has a little advice for those critics of the administration's push to ban assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition clips who say such measures will make it more difficult to defend themselves: Buy a shotgun.

    Speaking with Parents Magazine in a Facebook town hall on Tuesday, Biden said that he has advised his wife, Jill — if she ever has the need to protect herself at their home in Wilmington, Del. — that a double-barreled shotgun should be her weapon of choice.

    "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house," Biden said.

    The vice president went on to explain that popular assault weapons, such as the AR-15, are less useful for self-defense.

    Home Defense: Defense that takes place in a home.

    A home is a dwelling composed, usually, of a number of connected rooms.

    For self defense you want to be able to hit anything or anybody you intend to shoot (burglars*, for example) that is IN THAT ROOM.

    You do not want to shoot  through interior and exterior walls or shoot somebody across the street.

    Shotgun is perfect.

    AR-15 shooting high-power bullets....really, not so much.

    To each his. or her, own, I suppose.

    (* Some people seem to believe that crime doesn't happen so this is just hypothetical.)

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:13:48 AM PST

    •  and you can make your own "Bullets"(rounds) (2+ / 0-)
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      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:20:48 AM PST

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    •  I know! (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't know anyone who thinks a high powered rifle is good for home defense, when a shotgun will stop just about anything in it's tracks, and you don't need to worry about accuracy.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:14:07 AM PST

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    •  And the gunnutz vilified Joe Biden for that. (2+ / 0-)
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      If any of them stopped to think, Joe is right. If someone is trying to break into your home, BOOM is all they need to hear.
      How many would think, "Hmm, that was a shotgun. They obviously couldn't have any other weaponry in there. I think I'll risk it."
      A loud weapon makes an exclamation point!

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:53:37 AM PST

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      •  And you can load a shotgun with rock salt or (1+ / 0-)
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        light bird shot if you are the shy retiring type that does not want to inflict death for any reason. (Or you could be the sadistic type who wants an intruder to feel the pain for a long time.)

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:56:10 AM PST

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        •  Birdshot, sure, to limit penetration... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...though most packs enough force to get through a wall, and Dick Cheney's buddy aside it can still prove fatal, especially at the close ranges you're likely to encounter in a self-defense situation.

          But I don't agree with using rock salt. I'm a strong believer in the Four Rules of Gun Safety, and rock salt shells can lead people to ignore the second rule: Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

          The idea that your shot won't kill someone can lead to thinking it's okay to fire in situations where it really isn't (someone trying to attack you with a weapon = yes; someone trying to break into your parked car to steal your stereo = no). And even though rock salt probably won't even break the skin, you're still not likely to be in a situation where you can be justified in using that level of force but not deadly force. A gun aimed at a person should never, never be fired unless you are willing to kill that person.

          "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

          by JR on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 10:58:49 AM PST

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          •  It should never (0+ / 0-)

            be aimed unless you intend to kill that person. Aiming is assault. You don't have to wait for the bullet. If someone aims at someone but is killed in self-defense without the gun ever having been fired, that is still self-defense. The target has a reasonable expectation his/her life is at stake.

            And in some states, defense of property DOES allow lethal force, though I wouldn't want to argue killing over a car stereo in court.

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 12:29:57 PM PST

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  •  husband and wife preferred terminology? (1+ / 0-)
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    I didn't know this was an issue.  Is this universal? The lesbian couple across the street say that their family has two moms, which seems contradictory.

    Dementia, you better treat me good. ~Conor Oberst "Slowly (Oh So Slowly)"

    by NotActingNaive on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:15:04 AM PST

    •  Actually, I think that's why people are finally (8+ / 0-)

      willing to let gays get married - so many more people aren't even bothering to get married any more that they need the 'numbers boost' for the institution of marriage.

      I don't have a 'wife', even though I've lived with a woman for something like 13 years now, and probably will til one of us dies.  We're platonic, but share pretty much everything else you would in a marriage, barring sex and (human) kids.  And we still don't know what to call ourselves or each other.  Partner?  Significant Other?  Those usually tend to imply the 'benefits' part of 'Friend with benefits'.  I usually go with 'housemate', but that then seems weaker than the reality.

      I'd say just let people choose whatever terminology they prefer. If 'mom' is the word for a female parent, and you've got two female parents, 'two moms' seems fine to me.

      •  loving friend? (0+ / 0-)

        How about "favorite" with no noun to be modified?

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:58:04 AM PST

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      •  I live in a civil union state (1+ / 0-)
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        I thought the article was saying that married, same sex couples prefer to be called husband and wife--news to me. Thinking about it, I realize that I do not know any married same sex couples.

        But I read the article, and my interpretation of it was wrong! AP will call both members husbands or wives, totally consistent with 2 moms.

        So never mind.

        Dementia, you better treat me good. ~Conor Oberst "Slowly (Oh So Slowly)"

        by NotActingNaive on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 07:37:03 AM PST

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    •  Why contradictory? (2+ / 0-)
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      What else would you call the two female parents in a household?

      BTW mom-by-adoption is just as much "mom" as mom-by-giving-birth.

      Some couples refer to their partner as "husband" or "wife," some don't -- same as heterosexual couples. (I hated the word "wife" so used it as little as possible, although I would say "my husband" to people who didn't know him.) In the UK everyone I know says "partner" regardless of gender or legal marital status.

      But it should be the couple themselves who make that choice, not some AP editorial policy that certain people are not allowed to use certain words.

      •  Because husband & wife have gender connotations (0+ / 0-)

        So one partner in a same sex marriage would take on the mantle of the opposite gender, while with 2 moms, both are taking the label that connotes her gender.  

        When I went to the LA Times piece, I saw that I misinterpreted the meaning of the apr excerpt. What's new is AP won't default to the term partners.  Couples can be 2 wives or husbands.

        I agree that people should be called what they want.  I'm all for self-determination.

        Dementia, you better treat me good. ~Conor Oberst "Slowly (Oh So Slowly)"

        by NotActingNaive on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 07:21:07 AM PST

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      •  AP style guides (1+ / 0-)
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        are for journalists who have to write things like "DeGeneres and her wife" or whatever. Rarely would there be a situation in which it was necessary to refer to both partners as wife or husband, since the one will be mentioned in reference to a named person.

        Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

        by trevzb on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:00:58 AM PST

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  •  To get a sense of the ongoing carnage (9+ / 0-)

    Caused by the overabundance of firearms and  feckless and cowardly lawmakers who insist  that acceding to the insatiable demands of a minority of gun owners in the name of the 2nd amendment is "representing" their constituents, read Another Day in the Gun Crazy USAhere.. It doesn't get nearly enough attention.

    If I had my way, I would repeal the 2nd Amendment. Since I can't have my way, I support a ban on all assault weapons. Now!

    by Tchrldy on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:16:17 AM PST

  •  thoughts on writing and political participation (1+ / 0-)
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    in part, why I write, why I write as I do, and how writing is increasingly my primary way of political participation

    I explore that in this piece to which I invite your attention

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:23:15 AM PST

  •  Morning Joe (11+ / 0-)

    The wisdom of that old heavyset guy who Joe has on all the time whose name eludes me - 'Both sides are standing on the lawn of a burning house arguing about who started the fire, rather than doing anything to put it out'. While Joe is parroting David Brooks' crap about the 'DC dubstep' and going on about class warfare.

    You guys (Joe and beltway pals) never get it.

    We don't even agree with you on what the fire is.  To you it's the horrible evil nasty debt and deficit.  To us, it's the the ever increasing wealth gap that has steadily been grinding the economy to a halt because fewer and fewer people have the money, and they simply don't spend it, while most of the country no longer has the money to spend after 40 years of taxation that has been tilted to funnel all of the money from the 99% to the 1%.

    We have the debt and deficit because people have no money to spend, because the tax code has taken it away from them to pay for everything, up to and including further tax cuts for the rich and tens of billions a year in subsidies to giant corporations mostly owned by the 1%.

    The debt and deficits are not the problem, Joe, they're a symptom.  Fix the real problem  - wealth inequality - and fixing the debt and deficits will get better.

    •  Imagine how awesome it would be if we could (1+ / 0-)
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      reply to the tv like we can reply on the intertubes.

      GOP loves the tv specifically because of this. They get to spread their message without interruption, without feedback, and without consequence.

      Meanwhile, the Dems have yet to tie a string between 2 progresso cans.....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:29:48 AM PST

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      •  Dems have great messages few cover. (5+ / 0-)

        Let's not go all silly pretending they'd get screen time if they spoke better.  Bush was illiterate and everything he said was covered thoroughly.  Cheney's a serial liar and they still cover him like he's Moses with the tablets.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:50:20 AM PST

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        •  I have heard rumors of Dems having (0+ / 0-)

          a decent message.

          And I usually hear about them once I point out how goddamned far behind dems are in monopolizing TV communications.

          Dead in the friggin water compared to the GOP.

          Imagine Dems having HALF the TV media access the GOP has combined with these supposedly wonderfu lmessages we have.

          That is what I am talking about and dems are just hopeless on the issue.

          Needlessly so, though I feel, strongly, this is just another aspect of kabuki so the Dems can continue to throw fights and cave needlessly.

          There should be a Dem equivalent of FOX and there just isn't.

          dems can't even dominate the liberal media.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:25:29 AM PST

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          •  Of course, my bias is about winning. (1+ / 0-)
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            Dems seem to have more lofty goals I can't understand in my abject simplicity.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:26:47 AM PST

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          •  So the media environment isn't the (1+ / 0-)
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            problem unless you're specifically mad at them for not covering OWS or something you value?  

            Obama is the President and they only cover his speeches during elections.  But hating on weak messaging helps, so go for it.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:36:26 AM PST

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            •  Congrats on the most amazing misinterpretation (0+ / 0-)

              of what I am saying.

              I can't help make it any plainer. I am sorry.

              The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

              by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:43:58 AM PST

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              •  You're not saying that Democrats (0+ / 0-)

                don't have a message worth covering?  Sorry, that was how I heard you.  

                When we own the major media outlets it might be different.  I'm not sure how we achieve that.

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:42:57 AM PST

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          •  Aren't you a Dem, Doc? (0+ / 0-)

            What message are you getting out there?
            In the age of the internet, aren't we all the "messengers"?

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:58:31 AM PST

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            •  Doc zombie has been pretty prolific on his (0+ / 0-)

              chosen focus - marijuana legalization.

              He stays pretty focused, delivers a clear message, and keeps at it.

              •  it's an amazingly simple message. (1+ / 0-)
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                It's not really rocket science, but it does always end up in discussion of the Constitution.

                The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

                by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:50:00 AM PST

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              •  Well, I know that! (0+ / 0-)

                My point was that we need to stop expecting everyone else to get the message out there.
                We're all messengers- every post we leave at a news site, every comment made on Twitter, every Facebook post, every comment or diary here.
                The question we need answered is if elected Democrats are failing at their messaging, are we failing as well?

                “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

                by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:55:45 AM PST

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            •  GOP. (1+ / 0-)
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              has FOX.

              Gets more GOP on all networks than Dems do.

              FOX made of Money.

              Dems Have Money.

              Dems could do what the GOP does.

              They don't.

              GOP has more message-delivery option than the dems do.

              Dems appear to have a TV-network deficit.

              Don't we regularly hear stories about how repubs out number Dems on any network 7 to 1?

              it's a very basic message clearly in front of people's faces.

              What is the democratic party balance for Morning Joke?

              What is the Democratic Party balance for FOX and Friends?

              What is the Democratic balance for Rush Limbaugh...Bill Maher"?

              You all can't see this?

              or you're so stuck on being a 'dem' that you look past these glaring short-comings?

              Why should a powerful political party in the 21st century not have an entire tv network that blasts their message 24/7/365?

              It's glaring.

              dems should own an entire TV network.

              repubs do and that shows it can be done.

              Why are dems not doing it?

              The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

              by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:49:08 AM PST

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              •  I assume you've never watched (0+ / 0-)

                MSNBC when Joe Scarborough isn't on?
                The same MSNBC that just hired Axelrod and Plouffe as "consultants"?
                 To my mind, MSNBC is as bad as Fox, just leaning in the other direction
                Dems are doing it, we just aren't as good as the GOP is at the messaging. We never have been.
                But of course, being Democrats, we can't be spoon fed crap like the right is and expected to swallow it.

                “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

                by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:59:43 AM PST

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    •  There's a certain amount of logic in this: (1+ / 0-)
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      kmoore61

      Think back to the last time in memory that the economy didn't suck.

      Then examine what changes occured and what their effect was on the economy.

      Undo the bad ones.

      Profit.

      Seriously, it isn't brain science or rocket surgery. It's common sense.
      Oh, right. We have the GOP involved in this.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 07:02:09 AM PST

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  •  A national gun registry with licensing and... (2+ / 0-)
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    Araguato, Gentle Giant

    ...training, required insurance, verified background checks and so on will enable us to have a new level of additional penalties to those who commit crimes who are not properly in the system. From confiscation to additional fines and long, hard sentences. I've been talking to some of the "it won't stop the criminals" crowd. I say use a gun that's not yours in a crime without a license and insurance and you start off by facing 15 to 25 years before any other charges that would be  brought against you at this time, and this tends to shut them up

    •  Actually (2+ / 0-)
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      Noodles, Heart of the Rockies

      We need to start closing these loopholes that allow straw purchasers walk into gun shops in Virginia, Illinois, Arizona and other states, buy as many guns as they want, and then sell them on the street in Chicago, New York City and Mexico.
      Stop arresting the small fry and go for the dealers.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:18:39 AM PST

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      •  Imagine catching such a beast w/ dozens of... (3+ / 0-)

        ...unregistered weapons and ammo trying to sell them to unlicensed, uninsured users. All kinds of additional penalties might produce additional decades of time behind bars before we even get to adding the charges they'd currently face. It might put a crimp in that kind of business if we had those kinds of national databases.

        •  That's what Fast and Furious was about (3+ / 0-)

          Straw purchasers buying guns in Phoenix (which has more gun stores than any other city of comparable size, 87 stores at last count), then selling them to drug cartels. Except for selling the guns over the border, anyone can buy as many guns as they want at a time in Arizona.
          The ATF was trying to get warrants to arrest these people, but the state AG and judges refused.
          People like the homeless man who would walk into the store with thousands of dollars and buy 10 to 15 guns at a time.
          Arizona law enforcement:"I don't see a problem with that."

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 07:04:34 AM PST

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  •  The Connecticut Effect (6+ / 0-)

    I just wrote a diary about VP Bidens visit and some of the sentiments and going ons in CT concerning guns.  

    It makes me proud to live in this state that we have sensible legislators, Democrats AND Republicans.  I could never live in a place like Missouri with so many idiot in power.  I feel for the people who live there.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:55:14 AM PST

  •  Joe Biden is a National Treasure, and Gun (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, skohayes

    Control will be lucky to get the Background Legislations passed.  I do not believe the President ever felt he was going to get everythng with this, but you Shoot for the Moon anyway.

  •  John Boehner is a worthless piece of shit (0+ / 0-)

    I used to think he was just a typical doofus politician. But no, he's much much worse than that. His cowardice and incompetence are on the order of the "good Germans," who kept silent during the rise of the 3rd Reich. Like the foolhardy German industrialists,who backed and funded Hitler, thinking they could control him. I don't  feel sorry for Boehner and the horrible predicaments, he keeps this country in. I just feel completely disgusted by him.  Actually that's pretty much the way I feel about all the GOP. What a sorry bunch of excuses for human beings.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:08:39 AM PST

  •  There is a headline in the graphic, (2+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, Heart of the Rockies

    "Buying a gun?  States consider insurance rule."  What publication is this from?  I'd like to know what gun insurance proposals states are proposing.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:16:42 AM PST

  •  Fascinating interlude from our sun (1+ / 0-)
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    Heart of the Rockies


    Eruptive events on the sun can be wildly different. Some come just with a solar flare, some with an additional ejection of solar material called a coronal mass ejection (CME), and some with complex moving structures in association with changes in magnetic field lines that loop up into the sun's atmosphere, the corona.

    On July 19, 2012, an eruption occurred on the sun that produced all three. A moderately powerful solar flare exploded on the sun's lower right hand limb, sending out light and radiation. Next came a CME, which shot off to the right out into space. And then, the sun treated viewers to one of its dazzling magnetic displays -- a phenomenon known as coronal rain.

    Over the course of the next day, hot plasma in the corona cooled and condensed along strong magnetic fields in the region. Magnetic fields, themselves, are invisible, but the charged plasma is forced to move along the lines, showing up brightly in the extreme ultraviolet wavelength of 304 Angstroms, which highlights material at a temperature of about 50,000 Kelvin. This plasma acts as a tracer, helping scientists watch the dance of magnetic fields on the sun, outlining the fields as it slowly falls back to the solar surface.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:39:18 AM PST

  •  i cant support that interpretation (0+ / 0-)

    of the declaration of independence.

    the author quotes: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted..."

    he seems to think that "Governments are instituted..." implies that their power is unlimited. he completely ignores that preceding few words "That to secure these rights..."

    why are governments instituted? to secure the rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. government is not instituted on that basis only to then exist to do whatever it wants irregardless of its effects on those inalienable rights.

    •  Justice Breyer wrote a good book about this. (0+ / 0-)

      It's very short and I was able to read and understand it before I went to law school, so it's probably good for general audiences.

      It's called Active Liberty: Interpreting Our Democratic Constitution, and I really recommend it, because it goes directly to your point.

      Here's a good NY Times review of it, that summarizes the key argument:

      For Breyer, the guiding theme in constitutional interpretation, whether in upholding statutes or enforcing rights, should be enabling democracy — "a form of government in which all citizens share the government's authority, participating in the creation of public policy." Such democratic participation is what Breyer means by the "active liberty" of the book's title. He takes his cue less from any particular provision of the Constitution than from the spirit of the document as a whole, and from Thomas Jefferson's reminder in the Declaration of Independence that, in our system, governments must derive "their just powers from the consent of the governed."

      ...

      The great strength of "Active Liberty" lies in Breyer's detailed application of his general thesis to particular recent controversies. In the federalism cases mentioned above, for example, Breyer would have allowed Congress to regulate in matters like gun possession and domestic violence under a broad reading of the federal commerce power. This, he explains, is because in enacting such laws, "the public has participated in the legislative process at the national level," and democratic participation is discouraged when Congress holds "elaborate public hearings only to find its legislative work nullified."

      "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

      by JR on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:14:51 AM PST

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  •  A FOX News Fail (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    Over at Politicus, the story of a failed attempt to blame everything in Detroit on Dems.  

    http://www.politicususa.com/...

    One of the memorable lines uttered by the guest who blew up the charade (by insisting that Dems are not the only bad guys):

    This is a national sickness. We’re just corrupt cheaters. That’s what we do now.
    Amazing.  I have been trying to say it that simply for half a decade or more.  America is just morally failing.  A customer is someone to shake down, not someone to value.  

    The robb'd that smiles steals something from the thief. -- Shakespeare

    by not2plato on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 10:56:31 AM PST

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