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Today I am pleased to see that gun manufacturers, dealers, and gun rights groups are breaking with the NRA on background checks. Even better, Democrats are flipping the economic threat around on the gun industry, with big-city mayors and their budgets for guns and ammo looking for manufacturers that will work with them on legislation.

This is a promising turn of events. In some previous work I've documented gun manufacturers like Barrett Firearms Manufacturing punish law enforcement in California with a ban on sales in retaliation for California's strict gun laws, and Magpul, which makes ammunition magazines and other gun 'accessories,' threaten to pull their manufacturing plant and hundreds of jobs out of Colorado if Democrats pass gun control legislation. And the NRA has orchestrated boycotts to punish anyone who steps out of line, so anyone breaking up the coalition now is asking for it.

And yet, they are, showing that NRA's leadership is out of touch. Not only with vast majorities of Americans, Democrats, gun owners, and NRA members, but now, even gunmakers and gun rights advocates.

History shows why the individual manufacturers, gun enthusiasts or gun rights groups have reason to fear the NRA; that is, when the rest of the industry is lined up behind them. In 2000, they turned on Smith & Wesson for signing an agreement with the Clinton administration. Since I'm no gun expert, I looked them up and I guess it was their .44 Magnum Model 29 featured in the old Clint Eastwood movies. He couldn't save them from the NRA, I suppose.

Dirty Harry
May have been busy, yelling at a chair.
In March 2000 Smith & Wesson was the only major gun manufacturer to sign an agreement with the Clinton Administration.[5] The company agreed to numerous safety and design standards as well as limits on the sale and distribution of its products. Gun clubs and gun rights groups responded to this agreement by initiating large-scale boycotts of Smith & Wesson by refusing to buy their new products and flooding the firearms market with used S&W guns.[5][6][7] After a 40% sales slide,[8] the sales impact from the boycotts led Smith & Wesson to suspend manufacturing at two plants.[9] The success of the boycott led to a Federal Trade Commission antitrust investigation's being initiated under the Clinton administration,[7] targeting gun dealers and gun rights groups, which was subsequently dropped in 2003.[10] This agreement signed by Tomkins PLC ended with the sale of Smith & Wesson to the Saf-T-Hammer Corporation. The new company (Smith and Wesson Holding Corporation), which publicly renounced the agreement, was received positively by the firearms community.[11]
This agreement was intended to increase gun safety by mandating safety devices on their guns, such as gun locks. Also, among other things, it barred gun sales -- including gun show sales -- without a background check on the buyer. Interesting, eh? Following more links, I see that the Bush regime dropped the antitrust investigation and scrapped Clinton's agreement, but for S&W the damage was done. Bush's failure to investigate was summed up, perhaps with unintentional irony, by FTC spokeswoman Brenda Mack:
George Bush laughing
Thanks for nothing -- as usual
"This does not mean that a violation did or did not occur, so the commission reserves its right to take action again in the future if necessary," said Mack.
With that history in mind, it's encouraging to witness these cracks in the monolith. Like a trade group for gun manufacturers breaking with the NRA over universal background checks.
“That’s more the NRA’s issue,” Steve Sanetti, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), said in an interview. “From the commercial side, we’re already there, and we’ve been there, and we were the ones that have been the strongest proponents of an effective, complete background check.”
The Washington Post reports that, behind the scenes, gunmakers, dealers, and gun advocates are expressing support for background checks. The NSSF president is a brave fellow for putting his support on the record. Hopefully the target on his back will be rhetorical only. But with the death threats gun control advocates and politicians are receiving, well...who knows.

And as gunmakers have tried their intimidation tactics on lawmakers, like Magpul in Colorado, it seems that some Democrats are putting their own economic leverage to use. Big-city mayors, after all, must spend quite a bit of money on firearms and ammunition for police departments.

“Our residents want to ensure that the tax dollars that are being used to purchase guns for our police departments are going to manufacturers that share our values and support our strategies,” Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, who leads the National Conference of Democratic Mayors, wrote in a letter to Glock and the NSSF.
Wayne LaPierre being rudely interrupted by reality
The NRA has been against universal background checks from the beginning. Their executive VP Wayne LaPierre is on record, repeatedly, claiming these background checks will lead to gun registration -- pointedly silent about the existing federal law his organization worked to pass that forbids any such registry at the federal level. The NRA's lies were debunked by Mark Kelly in an op-ed at Politico at the end of February, and I spent some time digging into the details. Instead of the truth, they offer this lie by omission, along with threats of confiscation and false comparisons to Nazi Germany. In spite of this consistent message, even here I see folks trying to soften the NRA's image. They challenge this simple reality that the NRA is out of touch, increasingly isolated in their opposition to universal background checks.
Not all of the NRA’s traditional allies share this sense of alarm. For example, the founder of the pro-gun Second Amendment Foundation tentatively backed a proposed compromise bill in Washington state last month that would expand checks while limiting state firearms record-keeping.

In addition, the head of the nation’s largest police union, which was allied with the NRA in a major legislative battle in the past, has joined the movement for expanded background checks.

Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, said in an interview that he now supports extending checks to gun shows and other venues where they are not required.

The Washington Post article notes the negotiations underway in the Senate as another break with the demands of the NRA's leadership, in that NRA-supported Republican Senators have agreed in general on expanding background checks.

True enough. But the remaining sticking point -- record keeping -- shows that these Republicans seek a watered-down, toothless universal check. Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), for example, who wants no record-keeping, in other words, no accountability, no enforcement.

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-OK
Senator Tom Coburn (R-not-so-OK)
While the NRA's extremism has managed to drive away some allies, on the issue of background checks it still has the support of at least one key legislator. The Huffington Post reports that Democratic Senators Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin have been trying to hammer out a bipartisan deal, but they've still made no progress with Republican Senator Tom Coburn. For weeks, Coburn, who has an "A" rating from the NRA, has insisted that the legislation must not require records of private gun sales to be kept, since supposedly that's the first step toward a national gun registry. The Senate Judiciary Committee plans to consider several gun control bills on Thursday, so if Coburn doesn't come around by then, Schumer may file his old background check bill as a placeholder. Getting the bill passed without the Republican senator's assistance wouldn't be impossible, but it's not a good sign for what was supposed to be one of the easier gun control measures to get through Congress.
Tom Coburn may well be an intractable roadblock, but the Senate Judiciary Committee could all use a push on this issue, as some votes are supposed to take place tomorrow. One of the Senators on the committee, Jeff Flake, is from my state. Although I don't expect this Republican to vote my way on this issue, I'm still making a point to contact him. Nothing but endless ringing at Flake's office number this morning, so the NRA's mobilization effort may already be underway, but I mean to try again.

Here are all of the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee considering the background check law, among other gun control proposals. If any of these are your Senators, perhaps it's worth a moment of your time to call them? The United States Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121 can connect to any Senate office upon request. (quick edit: I'm adding the numbers I can find for their Washington offices.)

Patrick J. Leahy, Chairman, D-Vermont [202-224-4242] Dianne Feinstein, D-California [202-224-3841] Chuck Grassley, Ranking Member, R-Iowa [202-224-3744]
Chuck Schumer, D-New York [202-224-6542] Orrin G. Hatch, R-Utah [202-224-5251] Dick Durbin, D-Illinois [202-224-2152]
Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama [202-224-4124] Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island [202-224-2921] Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina [202-224-5972]
Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota [202-224-3244] John Cornyn, R-Texas [202-224-2934] Al Franken, D-Minnesota [202-224-5641]
Michael S. Lee, R-Utah [202-224-5444] Christopher A. Coons, D-Delaware [202-224-5042] Ted Cruz, R-Texas [202-224-5922]
Richard Blumenthal, D-Connecticut [202-224-2823] Jeff Flake, R-Arizona [202-224-4521] Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii [202-224-6361]
(Cross-posted at The Tytalan Way on Wordpress.)

Originally posted to The Tytalan Way on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 11:49 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Republished to RKBA.Tipped, recced too. nt (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:12:05 PM PST

  •  Gun owner here. (13+ / 0-)

    Also a big-time hater of the NRA, and a big-time fan of universal background checks. That organization is going to take it in the shorts on this issue. They're not likely to learn anything from it, of course, but it will be good to see them brought down a bit.

    "The President is trying to make it tough on members of Congress. It's just sick." -- John Boehner (R-WATB)

    by OldSoldier99 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:20:02 PM PST

  •  Capitol Switchboard's pretty busy (8+ / 0-)

    Looked up Sen. Flake's Washington office number, (202) 224-4521, and got through with my comment there. I think I'll take a moment to look up some more direct office numbers for the others.

    We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

    by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:21:07 PM PST

  •  Here's Chuck Shumer D-NY (7+ / 0-)

    http://www.schumer.senate.gov/...

    Washington D.C. Office
    322 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington D.C. 20510
    Phone: 202-224-6542
    Fax: 202-228-3027
    TTD: 202-224-0420

    May I suggest if there is trouble getting through on the phone, that a fax is an alternative.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:23:38 PM PST

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:24:25 PM PST

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    •  That's a good idea (3+ / 0-)

      I've signed petitions and sent emails for some time now, but I think it's worth the time to make a quick call. I'll add that number to the table.

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:25:21 PM PST

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      Washington D.C. Office

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      (202) 224-4242

      Burlington Office

      199 Main Street,
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Burlington, VT 05401
      
(802) 863-2525
      
1-800-642-3193


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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:09:59 PM PST

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      Minneapolis, MN 55415
      
Main Line: 612-727-5220

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:14:37 PM PST

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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          •    Hartford

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      tel (860) 258-6940

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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      Washington D.C.
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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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      Washington, DC Office:
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      Washington, D.C. 20510

      Phone: (202) 224-3841
      
Fax: (202) 228-3954
      
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501

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      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

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      Washington Office
      
B85 Russell Senate Office Building

      Washington, DC 20510

      Phone: (202) 224-4521

      Fax: (202) 228-0515

      Phoenix Office

      2200 E Camelback Road

      Suite 120
Phoenix, AZ 85016

      Phone: (602) 840-1891

      Fax: (602) 840-0492

      Tucson Office

      6840 Oracle Road

      Suite 150 

      Tucson, AZ 85704
      
Phone: (520) 575-8633

      Fax: (520) 797-3232

      Webform:
      http://www.flake.senate.gov/...

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:33:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Senator Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii contact info (3+ / 0-)
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    Webform contact:
    http://www.hirono.senate.gov/...

    Washington Office:
    B-40E Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Phone: (202) 224-6361
    Fax: (202) 224-2126

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:28:41 PM PST

  •  Senator Ted Cruz R-Texas DC Office contact No. (3+ / 0-)
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    https://www.senate.gov/...

    Ted Cruz

    B40B Dirksen Senate Office Building

    Washington, DC 20510

    Phone: 202-224-5922

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:31:01 PM PST

    •  worthless bag of...... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:53:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, tell us how you really feel! ;) nt (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:58:31 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  NSFW (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Sorry, sore subject.
          I just went back through http://www.dailykos.com/...
          and I salute your combat skilz!
          Rec'd a bunch of your comments, RIGHT ON!
          By sewing shears, you mean those big long ones, with, like 18 inch blades? I could see why you wouldn't be welcomed on the street with those.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:16:07 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I don't know that there is any rule but I (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            tytalus, CwV

            once was flagged when boarding a plane. Couldn't take sewing shears, couldn't check them either. Had to leave them at the airport and pick them up when I got back.

            But in that semi-random walk against the other side, I did happen upon a better analogy.

            Assault rifles are to guns what switchblades are to knives.

            Everything one needs to do with a knife could be done with a switchblade but there's a reason they are contraband. They are just too dangerous.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:45:14 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Senator Al Franken D-MN Contact Info (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.franken.senate.gov/

    DC Office
    309 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    (202) 224-5641 

    Duluth Office

    515 W 1st St

    Suite 104
    
Duluth, MN 55802

    (218) 722-2390

    NW Mobile Office

    Valerie Gravseth

    NW Field Representative

    (218) 230-9487

    Saint Cloud Office

    916 W St. Germain St.

    Suite 110
    
Saint Cloud, MN 56301

    (320) 251-2721

    Saint Paul Office 

    60 East Plato Blvd 

    Suite 220 

    Saint Paul, MN 55107
    
(651) 221-1016

    Saint Peter Office

    208 S Minnesota Ave

    Suite 6

    Saint Peter, MN 56082

    (507) 931-5813

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:35:29 PM PST

  •  This is one measure that I can support (5+ / 0-)

    I have no problem with requiring background checks on all transfers, provided that the database is accurate and there is a way to remove erroneous information.  

    I think that this is one of the few things that most of us agree on.  

    •  There definitely needs to be a mechanism to (4+ / 0-)

      challenge and remove erroneous information.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:46:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I have no problem with that proviso, either (6+ / 0-)

      Doesn't do us much good, either, for the database to have no capacity for challenge and error correction.

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:52:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  the current language being bandied about (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      noway2

      by Schumer, Leahey, et al will have a negative impact.

      Any time you want to lend a gun to a friend at a range, backhround check and transfer.

      Any time you want to gift a firearm to a family member in the same state, background check and transfer.

      When you hand a firearm to your wife during a break in, oops, illegal transfer.

      Specific guns will be registered to specific social security numbers.  Well, legal ones.

      Before anyone gets too mad, I am in favor of making any private sale that has any point of the transfer - from meeting through exchange of goods/money - happen at a gun show have to go through a NICS check and transfer.  this, for no other reason than to make everyone shut the hell up about the 'gun Show Loophole'.  

      After that, any call for 'universal background checks will be to elliminate private sales of personal property to same-state residents.  Or, as I see it, the over-reach of a central government into private state affairs.  The commerce clause has limits, it's a shame that the Feds don't see it that way.

      Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
      Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
      Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

      by ErikO on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:08:10 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Your concern is noted (0+ / 0-)

        Charming how your interest in regulating gun shows has mainly to do with shutting people up!  :)  

        We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

        by tytalus on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:35:19 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That comes from living in Missouri (0+ / 0-)

          or at least the section of Missouri where the proposed law are already in place as 'rules' that the show organizers use to run their shows.

          That would be why Bloomberg didn't bother sending his 'agents' to MO to try and enact straw purchases.  

          Replace 'gun show loophole' with 'private sale' to see the actual intent of this law.

          Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
          Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
          Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

          by ErikO on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:51:37 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC Contact Info (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tytalus, Glen The Plumber, CwV

    Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina
    http://lgraham.senate.gov/...

    Washington Office
    290 Russell Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Main: (202) 224-5972
    Map this | Directions To

    If you can't get through to the DC office, here are the other offices.

    Upstate Regional Office
    130 South Main Street, 7th Floor
    Greenville, SC 29601
    Main: (864) 250-1417

    Midlands Regional Office
    508 Hampton Street, Suite 202
    Columbia, SC 29201
    Main: (803) 933-0112

    Pee Dee Regional Office
    McMillan Federal Building
    401 West Evans Street, Suite 111
    Florence, SC 29501
    Main: (843) 669-1505

    Lowcountry Regional Office
    530 Johnnie Dodds Boulevard, Suite 202
    Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464
    Main: (843) 849-3887

    Piedmont Regional Office
    235 East Main Street, Suite 100
    Rock Hill, SC 29730
    Main: (803) 366-2828

    Golden Corner Regional Office

    124 Exchange Street, Suite A
    Pendleton, SC 29670
    Main: (864) 646-4090

    Email:
    http://www.lgraham.senate.gov/...

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:39:51 PM PST

    •  Thanks for looking these up (3+ / 0-)

      I appreciate your help, and I added these to the ones I was looking for. I've gotten telephone numbers for the Washington offices of all the Judiciary Committee Senators up now, but the other numbers and faxes are a good alternative if they're busy. They should be open for another couple of hours AFAIK.

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:46:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  If the NRA (4+ / 0-)

        attempts a denial of service by shutting out other callers, people can call their field office or fax.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:55:23 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh, I don't know if that qualifies (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          LilithGardener, SilentBrook

          denial of service, that implies something like hacking a website. They can do this too, and often do or try. I see value in countering that. And people will say the calls make an impression that petitions and emails don't. They may be wrong, but it doesn't cost much more to call, not to me anyway.

          We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

          by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:01:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Exactly, most of us can sit on speaker phone (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            tytalus

            while waiting to get through.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:39:04 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Admittedly - I did use a very broad (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            tytalus, SilentBrook

            application of "denial of service" - what is a better phrase?

            Flooding the phone lines?

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:45:56 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Something like that. (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              SilentBrook, LilithGardener

              There's a criminal aspect to denial of service attacks, although apparently they do happen, even with telephones. Sometimes in politics, too.

              http://swampland.time.com/...

              When an election is as contentious as the 2002 New Hampshire Senate race between Republican incumbent John E. Sununu and outgoing governor Jeanne Shaheen, both candidates will likely do everything they can to win votes up until the final moment. But in Shaheen’s case, those crucial 11th-hour calls were effectively blocked by a phone-jamming campaign thought up by the GOP. For two crucial hours on voting day, an Idaho telecommunications firm, paid by the Republican party, tied up Democratic phone lines, halting their ability to get people to the polls. Phone-jamming, which is illegal but still sometimes utilized in political campaigns, resulted in the conviction of three Republican strategists — Charles McGee, former executive director of the New Hampshire Republican Party, Allen Raymond, a GOP consultant, and James Tobin, former regional political director of the Republican National Committee — for violating federal communications law. Sununu won the election.

              Shaheen did come back in 2008, however, and she defeated the scoundrel.

              We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

              by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:12:21 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Denial of Service fits. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            SilentBrook, LilithGardener

            it's just a different technology, but the concept is the same, make so many requests to connect that the switchboard is buried.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:56:44 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I recall reading that it was a problem for (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              tytalus

              the Romney campaign on election day. All the logins or whatever from their field volunteers caused Comcast to shut down their site for awhile thinking it was a denial of service attack.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:41:28 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  I don't know how to make a table (0+ / 0-)

        But I will put together a list in the same order as your table,
        and format it with your info and a link on the senators name to the comment with more contact info.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:38:11 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I had to refresh my memory! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          LilithGardener

          tracked this back down and hotlisted it. I'm not sure if it would work in a comment or if that would be big enough, though.

          We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

          by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:49:12 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Thanks, I don't know how much I can (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            tytalus

            do tonight, but will see what I can organize.

            What I have in mind is a table just like yours, that I can put in a queued draft diary, so that anyone who rights an action diary can copy the coded table right into their diary.

            Might be too ambitious for my skills and attention span, but I once learned to program in Fortran so I like figuring out code once in awhile.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:55:56 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Senator Dick Durbin D-IL (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    http://durbin.senate.gov/...

    Office Locations
        •    WASHINGTON, D.C.

    711 Hart Senate Bldg.

    Washington, DC 20510

    9 am to 6 pm ET

    (202) 224-2152 - phone
    
(202) 228-0400 - fax


        •    CHICAGO

    230 S Dearborn St.
Suite 3892

    Chicago, IL 60604

    8:30 am to 5 pm

    (312) 353-4952 - phone

    (312) 353-0150 - fax

        •    SPRINGFIELD

    525 South 8th St.

    Springfield, IL 62703
    
8:30 am to 5 pm

    (217) 492-4062 - phone
    
(217) 492-4382 - fax


        •    CARBONDALE
    250 W. Cherry Street
    
Suite 115-D

    Carbondale, IL 62901

    8:30 am to 5 pm

    (618) 351-1122 - phone

    (618) 351-1124 - fax

        •    ROCK ISLAND

    1504 Third Avenue

    Suite 227

    Rock Island, IL 61201
    
8:30 am to 4:30 pm

    (309) 786-5173 - phone

    (309) 786-5404 - fax

    Webform:
    http://www.durbin.senate.gov/...

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:44:26 PM PST

  •  Senator Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa Contact Info (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tytalus, Glen The Plumber, CwV

    http://www.grassley.senate.gov/

    Grassley Offices

    Washington, D.C.
    135 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510
    (202) 224-3744
    Fax: (202) 224-6020

    Cedar Rapids
    111 7th Avenue SE, Box 13
    Suite 6800
    Cedar Rapids, IA 52401
    (319) 363-6832
    Fax: (319) 363-7179

    Council Bluffs
    307 Federal Building
    8 South 6th Street
    Council Bluffs, IA 51501
    (712) 322-7103
    Fax: (712) 322-7196

    Davenport
    201 West 2nd Street
    Suite 720
    Davenport, IA 52801
    (563) 322-4331
    Fax: (563) 322-8552

    Des Moines
    721 Federal Building
    210 Walnut Street
    Des Moines, IA 50309
    (515) 288-1145
    Fax: (515) 288-5097

    Sioux City
    120 Federal Building
    320 6th Street
    Sioux City, IA 51101
    (712) 233-1860
    Fax: (712) 233-1634

    Waterloo
    210 Waterloo Building
    531 Commercial Street
    Waterloo, IA 50701
    (319) 232-6657
    Fax: (319) 232-9965

    Weform:
    http://www.grassley.senate.gov/...

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:50:40 PM PST

  •  Excellent work, tytalus. n/t (7+ / 0-)

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:57:17 PM PST

  •  Where did LaPierre get (3+ / 0-)

    a Code Pink banner? Or is it fake?

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:58:45 PM PST

  •  Thank you for moving us in the right direction as (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tytalus, LilithGardener

    always. Keep up the great work!

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:08:56 PM PST

  •  Re: (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    KVoimakas

    Schumer and friends aren't waiting on Coburn any longer:

    Senators who are negotiating over a proposal to expand the universal background check system have decided for the time being to stop trying to reach a deal with GOP Senator Tom Coburn, in the belief that his opposition to a key provision has become insurmountable, according to a source familiar with ongoing talks.

    Instead, Senator Chuck Schumer — who had been a leader of talks on the issue — will introduce a much stronger version of the proposal that contains none of the concessions Senators had made to win Coburn over, the source says. And Schumer will step up outreach to other Republican Senators — among them John McCain and Susan Collins — to win support for the bill.

    They're going to proceed with Schumer's 2011 bill, which directs all transfers to be conducted under the supervision of a federally licensed dealer, all dealers "maintain records of [all transfers] at such place, and in such form, as the Attorney General may prescribe."

    We'll see how this looks in mark up, but a uniform recordkeeping standard that requires no warrant for state access looks dangerously like an outsourced registry to me.

    When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

    by Patrick Costighan on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:50:09 PM PST

    •  That was one predicted outcome (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      LilithGardener

      from what I read this morning, so I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe that overconfidence in the private sector to do everything better than gov't will come back to bite Republicans. That's so sad!

      D;

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:58:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Re: False alarm (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        noway2, KVoimakas

        http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

        Sens. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Mark Kirk (R-IL) said Wednesday that they cannot support a universal background check bill drafted by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) but promised in a statement to continue with bipartisan talks on the issue. The statement comes as talks between Schumer and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) fell apart. Schumer intends to proceed with his own version of the bill that excludes input from Kirk and Manchin.
        Looks like UBC is getting quite fractured in the Senate.  Expect that something akin to expanded background checks will still pass.  Also expect that it will pass by a very large majority, and with NRA endorsement at  the end.

        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

        by Patrick Costighan on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 11:56:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Are you proposing that there should be no (0+ / 0-)

      random inspections of FFLs?

      No periodic audits of FFLs?

      That a warrant should be required?

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:17:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Has everyone had a chance to see (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tytalus

    our very own NRA Decision Tree?

    The link starts with the initial mention of the NRA Decision Tree. If you scroll down to Pat of Butter on a Sea of Grits you'll enjoy a laugh or two.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:58:49 PM PST

  •  Why not go after the real problem?q (0+ / 0-)

    FBI claims that they have a 'shortage' for their enforcement of current laws.

    In 2009, 71,000 requests to verify false statements on NICS 4473 forms returned exactly 77 follow-ups by the FBI.

    Also, 23 states - including ILLINOIS - are either not current or not reporting mental healthcare data for the NICS database.

    The actions by the NRA to 'defang' the ATF make for great excuses as to why things have fallen off their radar.  the lack of Director is largely due to Congressional incompetance and giving the NRA 'credit' for that is stupid.

    Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
    Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
    Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

    by ErikO on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:12:33 AM PST

    •  Because (0+ / 0-)

      A) that requires admitting that there is a problem
      B) it doesn't promote the agenda of more restrictions
      C) it might actually accomplish something there will be less cause to make noise for B

    •  Unfortunately for your argument (0+ / 0-)

      I've already researched and written about the ATF director debacle before, so I know your baseless claim is false and only serves the NRA to try to deflect blame from them. The change to the PATRIOT act was made by James Sensenbrenner and written by Todd Tiahrt, and ATF director candidates have been objected to by the gun lobby ever since. I found an NRA press release objecting specifically to Obama's nominee Andrew Traver. No, that's not incompetence; that is competence toward the NRA's goal.

      I also know from experience here in AZ how the NRA works to keep states from reporting data to NICS.

      I like the idea of increasing funding to the FBI to prosecute more NICS violations, though. It's unfortunate that the Obama administration has done such things in order to court pro-gun Democrats. Hopefully by now, they realize that it was a waste of their time.

      We demanded a plan to reduce gun violence. Now it's time to demand a vote.

      by tytalus on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:53:54 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Waste of time to court (0+ / 0-)

        pro-gun Democrats or Indies who are socially liberal in their outlook?

        Guess we will see if that is true in 2014, 2016, and 2018.

        Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
        Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
        Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

        by ErikO on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:54:37 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

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