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  Senator Rand Paul Second Letter by   tpmdocs

Perhaps Senator Rand could have better spent part of his 13 filibustering hours sending a lackey over to Holder's office.

Rand okay with response. He will allow vote to proceed:

TPM

Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, Paul declared that Holder's response was satisfactory and that he would allow a vote on Brennan's nomination.

"I'm quite happy with the answer and I'm disappointed it took a month and a half and a root canal to get it," Paul said.

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  •  So now we have it from Paul's own lips (7+ / 0-)

    Listening to him speak for thirteen hours is like having a root canal. Glad we have that settled.

  •  OK, now I'm all confused: (3+ / 0-)
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    varii, jdsnebraska, sebastianguy99

    is Rand Paul still a hero around here, or do we have to go back to hating him because he agreed with Holder?

    "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

    by kenlac on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:38:52 AM PST

    •  Why one or the other? Why not shades of gray? (9+ / 0-)

      Rand did the right thing in this instance. In many, many other instances he has done the wrong thing. Even in matters of liberty, which as a libertarian one might think he would get consistently right, he has failed. But this time he did the right thing. No one is pure hero or pure villain, and seeing the world that way is a huge part of our collective problem.

      This is also a comforting statement from Holder, and basically what I actually thought was the case: if an American is actively engaged in an attack on America, we can go after him with deadly force, sans trial. If not, then no one has the right to simply kill them. Trying to fly a plane into the White House? Here come the drones. Advocating same on a street corner? No drones for you.

      This is nothing new, then. This has always been our policy. Adding the words "using drones" to the concept changes nothing, really.

      •  I didn't think shades of gray were... (2+ / 0-)
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        SethRightmer, sebastianguy99

        ...allowed around here anymore. Seems to be contrary to the purpose of writing diaries, which is to get on the rec list with the most heat and least light possible.

        "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

        by kenlac on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:56:51 AM PST

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        •  Good snark but not entirely true (1+ / 0-)
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          kenlac

          We still do nuance here! You just need to look below the surface. Those most convinced of their cause speak the loudest, to be sure, and so what we see, anywhere, is often the black and white version. But dive a little deeper here, and there are not only shades of gray, but colors as well.

          Seriously, I would have given up on this place long ago if it were all black and white.

      •  OK - but you only get 50... (0+ / 0-)

        You have 49 left.

        'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

        by RichM on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:45:37 PM PST

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    •  My answer: (3+ / 0-)
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      jfromga, terrybuck, sebastianguy99

      Rand Paul has always been a self-serving fool who craves the center of attention (see: his questioning of Hiliary Clinton).

      That is all.

    •  he's a certified loon who did something really (1+ / 0-)
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      terrybuck

      good for this country.

      Happens :)

      There IS common ground between the far left and the Tea Party--anti war/anti imperialism, anti drug war, etc. etc.

      •  I think you confuse Tea Party and Libertarian (0+ / 0-)

        A goodly number of Libertarians take the positions you list. Tea Partiers, not so much. Where we might have any common ground with the TP it's going to be on a sliver of economic issues related to big business, bank bailouts, etc. Other than that, Tea Party members are generally agnostic on the social issues, from abortion to drugs; or firmly with the right. They are also big on jingoistic patriotism, supporting the troops with yellow ribbons, and fantasizing being war heros bearing "dont tread on me" flags..

        "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:54:35 PM PST

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    •  Even if I disagreed with him on the issue (0+ / 0-)

      I'd have certain amount of appreciation for someone standing up and doing a filibuster the old fashioned way. It may actually provide a break through to the public consciousness on what a filibuster used to look like and maybe should look like again.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:47:45 PM PST

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    •  Show me his votes, not his stunts. (0+ / 0-)

      He didn't do anything to warrant my support. For me,it's about votes. I will not applaud a guy who votes against us 99.9% of the time.

      "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

      by sebastianguy99 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:43:35 PM PST

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  •  I think after this response and McCain's comments (1+ / 0-)
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    Progressif

    He has been somewhat marginalized.
    He and  his ilk has been exposed as fear
    mongers.

  •  If he and his cronies... (1+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe

    hadn't cut so many federal employees he may have gotten his answer sooner, duh

  •  I'm sorry but... (1+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis

    In this one instance, I'm going to have to say 'Good for Rand'.

    'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

    by RichM on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:44:50 PM PST

  •  Well duh, that's what Dick Cheney's (0+ / 0-)

    death squads are for.

    Hey, don't look at me like that, deep down inside we all know they haven't been disbanded.

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