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Ok, I've been seeing quite a few diaries in the thread today applauding Tea Party Senator Rand Paul's (R. KY) talking filibuster in slowing down John Brennan, President Obama's nominee for the head of the C.I.A.  Here are a few diaries like this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

And this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

And this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

And of course this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

Hell, even I gave him a little shout out in my OR-Sen diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

So before you start thinking, "Hey, these Libertarian Republicans like Rand Paul aren't so bad", AlterNet (which I am a little angry with for engaging in the stupid "Seth MacFarland was such a sexist/racist Oscar host" argument) did at least remind us that Rand Paul is still a huge douche bag and his motives for his filibuster must be under question:

http://www.alternet.org/...

Instead of lauding the  anti-woman, anti-civil rights neo-libertarian senator, progressives would do better to ask: Why have all the Senate Democrats signed onto the Brennan nomination?

Just last week,  John Kiriakou, a former CIA agent who blew the whistle on the U.S. Government’s torture program, began a two-and-half year prison sentence for having done so. Meanwhile, in his nomination hearing before the Senate, Brennan admitted that, while serving in the CIA’s number two spot, he never spoke against the agency’s practice of torture. And now, through the acquiescence of Senate Democrats, he’s to lead the agency.

And instead of applauding Rand Paul’s ostensible bravery, why are his progressive fans offering scant analysis of his  motives?

It’s important to recall how Rand Paul made his way into the Senate in the first place, and  who put him there, namely the neo-libertarian Tea Party-fomenting astroturf group, FreedomWorks, and the Senate Conservatives Fund led by Jim DeMint, the former senator from South Carolina who now leads the Heritage Foundation. Those two organizations backed Paul’s primary challenge to a candidate hand-picked by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Kentucky’s senior senator, as a reminder to the Republican leader that he’d better toe the Tea Party line. And he has.

In his anti-drone filibuster, which admittedly offered C-SPAN viewers an often-enlightening education on the Obama administration’s flouting of the U.S. Constitution in its pursuit of al Qaeda and the Taliban, Paul also played to his paranoid base, suggesting that the U.S. Government was targeting survivalist right-wingers as potential terrorists and might soon be launching drones against them.

As right-wing activist Lee Stranahan  tweeted: “I believe what Rand Paul is doing is showing how to run for president in 2016.” - AlterNet, 3/7/13

Emphasis mine.

AlterNet is right because Paul certainly likes going on this but job's show:

I'll let you read the rest of the article and you can make up your own mind about Rand Paul.  But any time anyone says a nice thing about the Keebler Elf of the Tea Party movement, I just remember what Matt Taibbi said about little Randy back in 2010:

http://www.rollingstone.com/...

Early in his campaign, Dr. Paul, the son of the uncompromising libertarian hero Ron Paul, denounced Medicare as "socialized medicine." But this spring, when confronted with the idea of reducing Medicare payments to doctors like himself — half of his patients are on Medicare — he balked. This candidate, a man ostensibly so against government power in all its forms that he wants to gut the Americans With Disabilities Act and abolish the departments of Education and Energy, was unwilling to reduce his own government compensation, for a very logical reason. "Physicians," he said, "should be allowed to make a comfortable living."

Those of us who might have expected Paul's purist followers to abandon him in droves have been disappointed; Paul is now the clear favorite to win in November. Ha, ha, you thought we actually gave a shit about spending, joke's on you. That's because the Tea Party doesn't really care about issues — it's about something deep down and psychological, something that can't be answered by political compromise or fundamental changes in policy. At root, the Tea Party is nothing more than a them-versus-us thing. They know who they are, and they know who we are ("radical leftists" is the term they prefer), and they're coming for us on Election Day, no matter what we do — and, it would seem, no matter what their own leaders like Rand Paul do. - Rolling Stone, 9/28/10

And don't forget who bank rolled Rand Paul's 2010 victory:
Suddenly, tens of thousands of Republicans who had been conspicuously silent during George Bush's gargantuan spending on behalf of defense contractors and hedge-fund gazillionaires showed up at Tea Party rallies across the nation, declaring themselves fed up with wasteful government spending. From the outset, the events were organized and financed by the conservative wing of the Republican Party, which was quietly working to co-opt the new movement and deploy it to the GOP's advantage. Taking the lead was former House majority leader Dick Armey, who as chair of a group called FreedomWorks helped coordinate Tea Party rallies across the country. A succession of Republican Party insiders and money guys make up the guts of FreedomWorks: Its key members include billionaire turd Steve Forbes and former Republican National Committee senior economist Matt Kibbe.

Prior to the Tea Party phenomenon, FreedomWorks was basically just an AstroTurfing-lobbying outfit whose earlier work included taking money from Verizon to oppose telecommunications regulation. Now the organization's sights were set much higher: In the wake of a monstrous economic crash caused by grotesque abuses in unregulated areas of the financial-services industry, FreedomWorks — which took money from companies like mortgage lender MetLife — had the opportunity to persuade millions of ordinary Americans to take up arms against, among other things, Wall Street reform.

Joining them in the fight was another group, Americans for Prosperity, which was funded in part by the billionaire David Koch, whose Koch Industries is the second-largest privately held company in America. In addition to dealing in plastics, chemicals and petroleum, Koch has direct interests in commodities trading and financial services. He also has a major stake in pushing for deregulation, as his companies have been fined multiple times by the government, including a 1999 case in which Koch Industries was held to have stolen oil from federal lands, lying about oil purchases some 24,000 times. - Rolling Stone, 9/28/10
Plus lets not forget that he is this guy's bitch:
Plus he uses Islamaphobia as a campaign issue just like the rest of his GOP colleagues:

http://www.salon.com/...

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul has worked hard to distance himself from his party’s hawkish foreign policy, carefully cultivating an image as libertarian hero that may one day carry on the legacy — and potentially presidential ambitions — of his father, Rep. Ron Paul. He goes out of his way to criticize his party’s foreign policy, writing an Op-Ed on CNN.com last week attacking Mitt Romney’s “bellicose[ness]” in the Middle East during the debate. Paul has railed against military interventionism, vowed to cut the defense budget, called for a reduction in military bases overseas and otherwise alienated himself from the party’s powerful neoconservative wing as much as possible.

But there’s one area where Paul’s self-described libertarian freedom agenda is trumped by the ugliest type of neoconservative fear-mongering: Muslim-baiting. RandPAC, Paul’s political committee, is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars attacking three Democratic senators for voting for foreign aid to Muslim countries. Paul introduced a bill to cut off foreign aid to Egypt, Pakistan and Libya.  While there are some totally valid arguments supporting his bill, instead of making them, the commercials go for the nastiest attack possible, essentially accusing Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Bill Nelson of Florida and Sherrod Brown of Ohio of siding with jihadis and terrorists over Americans.

“Instead of putting hard-working West Virginians first, you voted to send billions of taxpayer dollars to nations where they shout ‘death to America,’ kill our Ambassador and allow radical Islamists to burn our embassies,” a petition on the RandPAC website accompanying the Manchin ad reads. “As one of your constituents, I demand that you start putting the interest of American taxpayers above those of Anti-American regimes and radical jihadists overseas.” - Salon, 10/15/12  

So yeah, you still feel like cheering Rand Paul?  I didn't think so.  It's no secret that Ran Paul would like to one day run for President and he might as well do it in 2016 because he's not that well-loved back in Kentucky:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...

Paul's 43/39 approval makes him more popular than his senior colleague Mitch McConnell. Steve Beshear is the most popular of the state's politicians with a 51/34 approval rating. Despite Beshear's popularity voters in the state say they would generally prefer a Republican than a Democrat to be their next Governor, 42/39.
A hypothetical 2016 match up between Beshear and Paul would have Beshear ahead by a 46/44 margin. Paul would lead a hypothetical match up with Ashley Judd just 47/46, a little better than her 4 point deficit against McConnell on yesterday's poll. Taking a longer term view to the Judd for Senate craze, her prospects for election might be better in 2016 with Clinton on the ticket than they would be in 2014. - PPP, 12/12/12
If you want to be critical of Brennan and Obama, that's fine.  i encourage that.  But don't be fooled by who Rand Paul is and by his motives.  Ok?
P.S. If you want to thank anyone, thank this guy for being the only Democrat to join the talking filibuster:

Originally posted to pdc on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:44 PM PST.

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  •  Even a broken clock (4+ / 0-)

    Is right twice a day.   That's what you get with something like this.   Let's not give him tons of credit, it's not earned.  But it would be impossible for me to believe that I disagree 100% on every single issue with everyone on the other side of the isle.  The few times they align doesn't mean I rethink all the other views.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:48:12 PM PST

  •  rand paul is wrong on many things, but he is not (10+ / 0-)

    wrong when he demands clarity from the us government on what they think they are allowed to do or not do with respect to weaponized drones in the us homeland.

    he did one thing right and i'm not going to withhold applause because he's terrible on so many other things.

    you could be a serial murderer but if you're the guy who held my daughters hand when she's about to fall off a cliff, i will shake your hand and thank you.

    when people do good things, they deserve credit.

    •  And that's fine and I don't blame you but I have (3+ / 0-)
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      to agree with what AlterNet said.

      Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

      by poopdogcomedy on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:51:18 PM PST

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    •  Right, guilt by assocation and ad hominem (4+ / 0-)

      ...are always going to lose in the war of reason. Ted Kaczynski doesn't delegitimize the science of climate change because he believes in it, nor are the activists who fight it necessarily sympathetic with Kaczynski. Rand Paul holds irritating and regressive views on a lot of issues, but this isn't one of them.

      "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

      by rovertheoctopus on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:58:00 PM PST

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      •  And I understand your argument but his motives (2+ / 0-)
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        should still be questioned.

        Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

        by poopdogcomedy on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:59:25 PM PST

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        •  Disagree. (4+ / 0-)

          Why not count him as a vote against the further expansion of drone technology and take the next, PROGRESSIVE step of organizing here at Dkos to get other Senators moving in the same direction?

          Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

          by maxschell on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:05:31 PM PST

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          •  I don't disagree with that but I guess I'm just a (2+ / 0-)
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            skeptic when it comes to Rand Paul.

            Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

            by poopdogcomedy on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:06:45 PM PST

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          •  When I wrote him to commend him on his (2+ / 0-)
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            filibuster I suggested his next step be to examine the laws the White House says justify their drone program to see which might need to be amended or rescinded so we don't have any legal basis for drone strikes on American soil.

            It is past time to rescind the AUMF and the various Patriot Act legislations that have made America the secretive, dangerous country it has been for the last dozen years.

            •  And who better to lead THAT charge (2+ / 0-)
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              than an ultra-conservative Republican? It's a Nixon-goes-to-China.
              No Executive will voluntarily cede power. These illegal powers, invented by BushCheney, must be stripped from the Executive by Congress, the Courts or both. And they should be removed under Obama, because by the time the next President comes along, they will be too deeply established.
              But it would be very hard for a Democrat in Congress to lead on it. And though it's something the GOP would like to keep, maybe they could be convinced to support stripping it just to fu(k Obama.
              So lead on RandyPaul! I wonder if you'll be any more effective than your lunatic father.
              For an historical sidelight, read The Imperial Presidency by Schlesinger. He talks about the powers that various executives arrogated to themselves with a deep focus on Nixon.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:59:40 PM PST

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  •  Don't worry, poop (4+ / 0-)

    No one here likes Rand; we just like that he's taking a stand on an important issue.

    And the Democrat you praise, Wyden, has been working behind the scenes with Paul for months. A strategic coalition. That's politics. Good politics.

  •  Alternet is a great rag. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:03:50 PM PST

  •  A large point he was making was we should fear (3+ / 0-)
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    the federal government in every move they make, they're tyrannical, we can't trust them etc, i'm surprised DK is going along with that.

    •  He was making that point by saying that we (2+ / 0-)
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      should mistrust the secret laws and opinions that are being used by the government in ways that appear on the surface to undermine the US Constitution.  We decried the secret memos approving torture, renditions and the like under Bush and we decry secret memos approving the use of drones to kill people, including Americans, without trial by jury as is their right as American citizens and under UN treaties which the US should be treating as equal law to those Congress passes.

      I really don't like these secret memos which, as has been pointed out by far more than just Senator Paul, which appear to be secret laws that even Congress doesn't get to hear about.  The United States government has no right to be hiding these from the people.

    •  Thank you. If we buy into that meme and make (2+ / 0-)
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      it look like we agree with his premise then we make a big mistake.  They will fear-monger it until all is lost.  I have mixed feelings about drones.  On one hand I don't like that civilians have been killed.  But compare that to Shock & Awe.   That is what will happen.  They will gin up another phony threat and we will be invading Iran.  
      Maybe because I come from a military family who has many members in the military that I am not as disturbed about drone warfare,  
      My nephew came back from Afghanistan 6 months ago.  He is not doing well.  My sister waits until he passes out at night and they put him bed, then she ties a thin rope around his ankle and the other end to her own leg and sleeps on the floor next to his bed.  She lives in fear of him getting up in the middle of the night and committing suicide.

      "Republicans are the party that says that government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it."-- PJ O'Rourke

      by nocynicism on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:32:18 PM PST

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    •  I didn't agree with him. (0+ / 0-)

      He's just trying to protect his militia supporters anyway.

      But I liked the semi-filibuster her performed.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:29:49 PM PST

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  •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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    I can't help but 1) question his motives and 2) be confident that his principles are going to be flexible for when the political situation calls for a 180.

  •  I am really liking this conversation in the (2+ / 0-)
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    comments.  Please continue on.  I think I just might sit back and read your thoughts.  Just please keep it civil.

    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 02:30:19 PM PST

  •  Fuck Rand Paul (2+ / 0-)
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    He's a teabagger asshat who is wrong on virtually everything, and I don't at all understanding the love he's getting all of a sudden.  

    No matter how hard you want to tell yourself otherwise, Rand Paul is not on our side.  Neither is his dad, as a few progressives wanted to believe.  

    Eat shit, Rand.  Even your name sucks.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:16:56 PM PST

  •  I think he's a little miserable pissant. (0+ / 0-)

    But I kind of liked the talking semi-filibuster and I hope it illustrates to Dems the value of a talking filibuster versus the La-Z-Boy filibusters we get now.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:27:16 PM PST

  •  The Civil War (2+ / 0-)
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     It is legal to kill citizens that take up arms against the USA.  A drone is just a means.  Means are  amoral.  Intentions and circumstances determine morality.

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